IRC log for #koha, 2007-07-27

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13:34 tnb hi sarab
13:34 sarab hey
13:34 tnb This is Koha Project Day everyone!
13:34 tnb woo hoo!
13:37 lloyd hehe
13:37 tnb Hi Lloyd :)
13:38 tnb Are you on the channel for Koha Project Day? Or just dropping by? ;):
13:38 tnb hey owen :)
13:38 jaron owen: heh
13:40 lloyd I was actually looking for MJR
13:41 lloyd what exactly is project day? :)
13:41 tnb it's a day for anyone who would like to get involved in furthering the Koha Project to do so
13:42 tnb many work independently on their own Koha-related proejcts, but at least know others are around on the channel  for feedback/support
13:42 tnb for instance, I'll be working on online help for Koha later today
13:42 tnb :)
13:43 jaron tnb++
13:43 jaron good_documentation++
13:43 tnb ha! yep :)
13:43 lloyd ahhh
13:43 tnb I'll be starting seriously on this around 12pm for anyone who wants to work with me
13:44 tnb ;)
13:44 lloyd well we've just paid the bill to develop get 3tier biblio records
13:44 lloyd apart from that, i've got nothing :d
13:45 jaron lloyd: what's that?
13:45 dewey that is the only case though
13:45 tnb Lloyd, what organization are you with?
13:46 lloyd well i'm with west suffolk hospital, but it's being developed for a project by the strategic health authority
13:46 owen dewey: forget that
13:46 dewey owen: I forgot that
13:47 owen dewey: good boy
13:47 dewey thanks owen :)
13:47 lloyd jargon :  allows multiple branches to have the same item but with different values for things like notes, classmark, item type
13:48 jaron ah, nice. seems to be a big issue these days on how to keep local data while using consortial records
13:48 lloyd yeah a lot of librarys want it
14:23 ryan hi #koha
14:28 owen Hi ryan
14:51 Brooke Howdy
14:51 owen Hi Brooke
14:53 Brooke How goes ye olde html?
16:16 Brooke hi tnb
16:17 tnb hi brooke :)
16:17 Brooke How's it going?
16:18 tnb pretty good, thinking about doing some online help documentation
16:18 tnb How are things going for you today?
16:19 Brooke *nod* Doing the same here - what parts are you working on so I don't double up?
16:19 tnb still getting organized... let me look at the wiki and see where I left off last time I worked on it
16:19 tnb hang on--
16:20 tnb Brooke: you working from within the wiki[…]tation:onlinehelp ?
16:22 Brooke will now
16:25 tnb if you get confused, let me know.  This structure was created during KohaCon. We also created a 'template' of sorts for doing the help.
16:25 tnb incase you haven't already seen this, here's the 'style' guide
16:26 tnb[…]_help_style_guide
16:26 tnb to help us try to maintain a similar approach across help pages :)
16:26 tnb i'm gonna work on "members"
16:27 tnb[…]mentation:members
16:30 kados hiya brooke
16:30 kados hey tnb
16:30 kados Brooke: thanks much for the email
16:30 Brooke howdy
16:30 dewey what's up, Brooke
16:30 kados Brooke: it'll give me some place to start from
16:30 Brooke np
16:30 Brooke a lot of the stuff that I wanted is already on the road map though :)
16:30 kados :-)
16:30 Brooke Makes me feel less weird
16:31 Brooke <------- Dork
16:31 kados yea, it's always been about resources here in the koha community
16:31 kados never missing ideas :-)
16:31 kados it's really interesting that so many users have the same ultimate goals
16:31 kados prety validating of the model, really
16:31 kados users DO know what they want ;-0
16:32 Brooke actually...
16:32 Brooke groups of users know what they want
16:32 Brooke and different groups will want different things
16:32 kados *nod*
16:41 tnb kados: did we ever get a program in place for transferring help from the wiki to the 'help'pages in Koha?
16:41 tnb the original plan, if i recall, was to write an application to populate that
16:50 kados hey owen
16:50 kados hmmm, good question tnb
16:50 kados it's a pretty trivial thing to create
16:51 kados one of the problems with the namespace on the wiki is it isn't linked to a specific version of Koha
16:51 tnb kados: can we put chris on it?
16:51 tnb I think it is a shame to not get the help that has already been created up there
16:51 kados yea, we could ask him to write something to do that
16:51 tnb it helps build momentum to see what has been done
16:51 kados it should only take an hour or so
16:51 kados *nod*
16:52 tnb ok, you want to ask him?
16:52 tnb also, one other question
16:52 kados well, I will be on a plane to ottawa when he gets up
16:52 kados might be worth writing him an email though
16:52 kados sure
16:53 tnb so, i'm working on 'members"
16:53 kados right
16:54 tnb and some pages haven't been done.  I insert that page after
16:54 tnb inorder to find out what the page pertains to
16:54 tnb so i can create help for it :)
16:54 tnb but some of the 'missing pages'
16:54 kados wait ... what?
16:54 kados I'm not following, sorry
16:54 tnb don't retrieve (like
16:55 tnb ok, hang on...
16:55 kados I don't think deletemem needs a help file
16:55 kados it's a function, not a page
16:55 tnb[…]mentation:members
16:56 kados what we need is a new way to write documentation
16:57 kados that the user can initiate from within koha itself
16:57 kados this wiki stuff is too confusing
16:58 tnb kados: you had a question for me ? ;)
16:58 tnb ah, ok, so you want to scratch the wiki method?
16:58 kados owen: what do you think about allowing a user to edit the help files from the help files themselves?
16:58 kados tnb: yea, once we get that content transferred, maybe
16:58 kados heck, come to think of it, why don't we just store that stuff in the database?
16:59 owen On a per-install basis? Or to a common Koha wiki?
16:59 kados well ... good question
16:59 tnb i think it should work like Adobe online help
16:59 kados some sites will want it to be a per-install basis
16:59 kados those that have highly customized installs
16:59 chris in the database = not translateable
16:59 kados others will want to just draw from some centralized place
16:59 kados hey chris
17:00 kados heck are you doing up?
17:00 kados :-)
17:00 chris lil man is hungry
17:00 tnb chris?!
17:00 tnb :)
17:00 kados chris: what if we stored it in a way that identified the language too?
17:01 chris hmmm
17:01 kados table with columns: filename, language, version, description
17:01 kados or sth
17:01 chris im not sure that you gain much
17:01 chris over just making a system to edit the .tmpl files
17:01 kados on the filesystem itself you mean?
17:01 chris yep
17:01 kados I guess I was just thinking it might be easier to code and more secure
17:02 kados since we alreay have a dbi plugin for the db
17:02 chris open the file read it all into a text area
17:02 kados but if we coudl just edit the filesystem directly that'd be cool
17:02 kados *nod*
17:03 kados guess we could use filesystem permissions to lock it down if we needed
17:03 kados in a non-development environemnt
17:03 chris yep
17:03 kados chris: you got anything else on your plate for koha project day? if you have some time wanna whip something up for that?
17:03 chris ahh im working on testing
17:03 kados i would be tons easier for those writing documentation
17:04 chris but if i get what i want to get done
17:04 kados if they could do it on the actual screen
17:04 chris then i can start on that
17:04 kados cool
17:04 kados how's little kahu doing?
17:04 chris what would be really trick is to use versioning
17:05 chris ill have to think about it more
17:05 kados yea
17:05 kados Brooke: :-)
17:05 chris he's ready to go back to sleep, and so am I
17:05 chris ill be back in about 3.5 hours :)
17:05 kados hehe
17:05 kados night chris
17:05 kados ttyl
17:05 Brooke good night chris
17:05 chris my plan is get my automated test system doing more tests, then ill look into documentation
17:05 kados chris++
17:06 kados brooke sent me a great list of suggestions for 3.0 as well
17:06 kados that I'm planning to work through
17:32 Brooke mmm cherries
18:41 Brooke hi oego
20:21 chris back
20:21 darcilicious front?
20:21 darcilicious ;-)
20:21 chris heh
20:35 masonj aloha koha
21:21 kados hi all
21:57 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hi everyone
23:42 chris kados: u about?
00:01 kados chris: am now
00:01 chris
00:01 chris click on the help icon
00:01 kados hehe
00:01 kados chris++
00:02 kados does it work yet?
00:02 kados edit even
00:02 chris nope i just started
00:02 kados ahh
00:02 kados very cool
00:02 kados tina will sing your praises :-)
00:02 kados as will Brooke :-)
00:04 chris yeah i just have to get it editing now :)
01:27 chris back
01:27 darcilicious front!
02:00 walter jaron, looks like i finally found someone to do the ruby-zoom extended services api work
02:00 chris cool walter
02:00 kados neato
02:00 kados hiya walter, long time
02:00 kados congrats on the success of kete!
02:03 walter why thanks
02:14 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hiya walter
02:14 walter howdy
02:38 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> darci are you around?
02:39 darcilicious yup :)
02:39 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hiya - i am having some issues with publishing on the new.koha site
02:39 darcilicious k, let me wander over there
02:39 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> has kados given you a login for that site?
02:39 darcilicious i have a power user access yet
02:39 darcilicious yes
02:39 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i wanted to try out linguaplone
02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> so i have tried translating one page of this manual
02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode>[…]n/manual/koha-2.2
02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> The 1. Introduction
02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> should be in both english and french now
02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> and i have tried publishing the pages
02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> but i get asked to login to view them
02:41 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> when i am not logged in.
02:41 darcilicious k
02:42 darcilicious getting a new password :)
02:43 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> np
02:44 darcilicious the french version is not published
02:44 darcilicious what happens if you publish it?
02:45 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hmm i tried to publish it
02:45 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i'll try again
02:45 darcilicious k
02:47 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hmm i see a translate  option
02:47 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> but nowhere to publish the translated version
02:47 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> under manage translation the only option i get for french is to delete it
02:48 darcilicious select french from the drop down menu
02:48 darcilicious you'll get the french view and it'll be in draft
02:49 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> ahh found it
02:49 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> somehow i have ended up with the introduction
02:49 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> at the end of the document
02:49 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> instead of the beginning :-)
02:50 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode>[…]w?set_language=en
02:50 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode>[…]w?set_language=fr
02:50 darcilicious i see that
02:50 darcilicious how odd
02:50 darcilicious :)
02:51 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> yeah something werid when i go to add a page
02:51 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> ah well
02:51 darcilicious i'm not sure how well PHC and LP play together :)
02:51 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> to be honest i think that is PHC
02:52 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> cos if i recall
02:52 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> that happened when i was putting the document in orginally
02:52 darcilicious ah
02:53 darcilicious select english and it's 1. again :p
02:53 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i think phc is a little buggy
02:53 darcilicious right
02:55 darcilicious argh. it won't stay there
02:56 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> your guess is as good as mine :-)
02:56 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> bbiab
02:57 darcilicious k
03:04 darcilicious okay, reordering via drag/drop is not working on that site
03:04 darcilicious it's no limited to the PHC objects
03:07 darcilicious okay, i don't have the correctly permissions to reorder items anywhere on that site other than in my own personal folder
03:07 darcilicious correct even
03:09 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> back
03:09 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> right
03:09 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i think kados has started with quite restrictive privs and is gradually adding them as we need them.
03:09 darcilicious ah
03:09 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> that is my guess anyway
03:10 darcilicious when you're in the contents tab do you see the up/down arrows in the far right column (of any folder)?
03:10 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i'll email him and cc you in so that if i get  it wrong you can set him right :-)
03:10 darcilicious :-)
03:10 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> nope
03:10 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i havent seen any up down arrows
03:10 darcilicious that's the deal then :)
03:10 darcilicious not sure what permissions that is
03:11 darcilicious it'd be easier if he just gave me full site manager privs. i have them at ;-)
03:14 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i agree - we'll wear him down on the front :-)
03:14 darcilicious :-)
03:14 darcilicious works for me
03:14 darcilicious :)
03:33 darcilicious all right then. night night, #koha :) i need to be up in 8.5 hours to have another day :)
03:33 chris night darci
08:26 slef /names
08:26 [K] *** #koha@FreeNode names: ru55el jeff [K] rangi
08:26 slef ru55el: are you russel?

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