Time Nick Message 13:34 tnb hi sarab 13:34 sarab hey 13:34 tnb This is Koha Project Day everyone! 13:34 tnb woo hoo! 13:37 lloyd hehe 13:37 tnb Hi Lloyd :) 13:38 tnb Are you on the channel for Koha Project Day? Or just dropping by? ;): 13:38 tnb hey owen :) 13:38 jaron owen: heh 13:40 lloyd I was actually looking for MJR 13:41 lloyd what exactly is project day? :) 13:41 tnb it's a day for anyone who would like to get involved in furthering the Koha Project to do so 13:42 tnb many work independently on their own Koha-related proejcts, but at least know others are around on the channel for feedback/support 13:42 tnb for instance, I'll be working on online help for Koha later today 13:42 tnb :) 13:43 jaron tnb++ 13:43 jaron good_documentation++ 13:43 tnb ha! yep :) 13:43 lloyd ahhh 13:43 tnb I'll be starting seriously on this around 12pm for anyone who wants to work with me 13:44 tnb ;) 13:44 lloyd well we've just paid the bill to develop get 3tier biblio records 13:44 lloyd apart from that, i've got nothing :d 13:45 jaron lloyd: what's that? 13:45 dewey that is the only case though 13:45 tnb Lloyd, what organization are you with? 13:46 lloyd well i'm with west suffolk hospital, but it's being developed for a project by the strategic health authority 13:46 owen dewey: forget that 13:46 dewey owen: I forgot that 13:47 owen dewey: good boy 13:47 dewey thanks owen :) 13:47 lloyd jargon : allows multiple branches to have the same item but with different values for things like notes, classmark, item type 13:48 jaron ah, nice. seems to be a big issue these days on how to keep local data while using consortial records 13:48 lloyd yeah a lot of librarys want it 14:23 ryan hi #koha 14:28 owen Hi ryan 14:51 Brooke Howdy 14:51 owen Hi Brooke 14:53 Brooke How goes ye olde html? 16:16 Brooke hi tnb 16:17 tnb hi brooke :) 16:17 Brooke How's it going? 16:18 tnb pretty good, thinking about doing some online help documentation 16:18 tnb How are things going for you today? 16:19 Brooke *nod* Doing the same here - what parts are you working on so I don't double up? 16:19 tnb still getting organized... let me look at the wiki and see where I left off last time I worked on it 16:19 tnb hang on-- 16:20 tnb Brooke: you working from within the wiki http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:onlinehelp ? 16:22 Brooke will now 16:25 tnb if you get confused, let me know. This structure was created during KohaCon. We also created a 'template' of sorts for doing the help. 16:25 tnb incase you haven't already seen this, here's the 'style' guide 16:26 tnb http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:online_help_style_guide 16:26 tnb to help us try to maintain a similar approach across help pages :) 16:26 tnb i'm gonna work on "members" 16:27 tnb http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:members 16:30 kados hiya brooke 16:30 kados hey tnb 16:30 kados Brooke: thanks much for the email 16:30 Brooke howdy 16:30 dewey what's up, Brooke 16:30 kados Brooke: it'll give me some place to start from 16:30 Brooke np 16:30 Brooke a lot of the stuff that I wanted is already on the road map though :) 16:30 kados :-) 16:30 Brooke Makes me feel less weird 16:31 Brooke <------- Dork 16:31 kados yea, it's always been about resources here in the koha community 16:31 kados never missing ideas :-) 16:31 kados it's really interesting that so many users have the same ultimate goals 16:31 kados prety validating of the model, really 16:31 kados users DO know what they want ;-0 16:32 Brooke actually... 16:32 Brooke groups of users know what they want 16:32 Brooke and different groups will want different things 16:32 kados *nod* 16:41 tnb kados: did we ever get a program in place for transferring help from the wiki to the 'help'pages in Koha? 16:41 tnb the original plan, if i recall, was to write an application to populate that 16:50 kados hey owen 16:50 kados hmmm, good question tnb 16:50 kados it's a pretty trivial thing to create 16:51 kados one of the problems with the namespace on the wiki is it isn't linked to a specific version of Koha 16:51 tnb kados: can we put chris on it? 16:51 tnb I think it is a shame to not get the help that has already been created up there 16:51 kados yea, we could ask him to write something to do that 16:51 tnb it helps build momentum to see what has been done 16:51 kados it should only take an hour or so 16:51 kados *nod* 16:52 tnb ok, you want to ask him? 16:52 tnb also, one other question 16:52 kados well, I will be on a plane to ottawa when he gets up 16:52 kados might be worth writing him an email though 16:52 kados sure 16:53 tnb so, i'm working on 'members" 16:53 kados right 16:54 tnb and some pages haven't been done. I insert that page after http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/ 16:54 tnb inorder to find out what the page pertains to 16:54 tnb so i can create help for it :) 16:54 tnb but some of the 'missing pages' 16:54 kados wait ... what? 16:54 kados I'm not following, sorry 16:54 tnb don't retrieve (like deletemem.pl) 16:55 tnb ok, hang on... 16:55 kados I don't think deletemem needs a help file 16:55 kados it's a function, not a page 16:55 tnb http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:documentation:members 16:56 kados what we need is a new way to write documentation 16:57 kados that the user can initiate from within koha itself 16:57 kados this wiki stuff is too confusing 16:58 tnb kados: you had a question for me ? ;) 16:58 tnb ah, ok, so you want to scratch the wiki method? 16:58 kados owen: what do you think about allowing a user to edit the help files from the help files themselves? 16:58 kados tnb: yea, once we get that content transferred, maybe 16:58 kados heck, come to think of it, why don't we just store that stuff in the database? 16:59 owen On a per-install basis? Or to a common Koha wiki? 16:59 kados well ... good question 16:59 tnb i think it should work like Adobe online help 16:59 kados some sites will want it to be a per-install basis 16:59 kados those that have highly customized installs 16:59 chris in the database = not translateable 16:59 kados others will want to just draw from some centralized place 16:59 kados hey chris 17:00 kados heck are you doing up? 17:00 kados :-) 17:00 chris lil man is hungry 17:00 tnb chris?! 17:00 tnb :) 17:00 kados chris: what if we stored it in a way that identified the language too? 17:01 chris hmmm 17:01 kados table with columns: filename, language, version, description 17:01 kados or sth 17:01 chris im not sure that you gain much 17:01 chris over just making a system to edit the .tmpl files 17:01 kados on the filesystem itself you mean? 17:01 chris yep 17:01 kados I guess I was just thinking it might be easier to code and more secure 17:02 kados since we alreay have a dbi plugin for the db 17:02 chris open the file read it all into a text area 17:02 kados but if we coudl just edit the filesystem directly that'd be cool 17:02 kados *nod* 17:03 kados guess we could use filesystem permissions to lock it down if we needed 17:03 kados in a non-development environemnt 17:03 chris yep 17:03 kados chris: you got anything else on your plate for koha project day? if you have some time wanna whip something up for that? 17:03 chris ahh im working on testing 17:03 kados i would be tons easier for those writing documentation 17:04 chris but if i get what i want to get done 17:04 kados if they could do it on the actual screen 17:04 chris then i can start on that 17:04 kados cool 17:04 kados how's little kahu doing? 17:04 chris what would be really trick is to use versioning 17:05 chris ill have to think about it more 17:05 kados yea 17:05 kados Brooke: :-) 17:05 chris he's ready to go back to sleep, and so am I 17:05 chris ill be back in about 3.5 hours :) 17:05 kados hehe 17:05 kados night chris 17:05 kados ttyl 17:05 Brooke good night chris 17:05 chris my plan is get my automated test system doing more tests, then ill look into documentation 17:05 kados chris++ 17:06 kados brooke sent me a great list of suggestions for 3.0 as well 17:06 kados that I'm planning to work through 17:32 Brooke mmm cherries 18:41 Brooke hi oego 20:21 chris back 20:21 darcilicious front? 20:21 darcilicious ;-) 20:21 chris heh 20:35 masonj aloha koha 21:21 kados hi all 21:57 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hi everyone 23:42 chris kados: u about? 00:01 kados chris: am now 00:01 chris http://staff-kapiti.dev.kohalibrary.com/ 00:01 chris click on the help icon 00:01 kados hehe 00:01 kados chris++ 00:02 kados does it work yet? 00:02 kados edit even 00:02 chris nope i just started 00:02 kados ahh 00:02 kados very cool 00:02 kados tina will sing your praises :-) 00:02 kados as will Brooke :-) 00:04 chris yeah i just have to get it editing now :) 01:27 chris back 01:27 darcilicious front! 02:00 walter jaron, looks like i finally found someone to do the ruby-zoom extended services api work 02:00 chris cool walter 02:00 kados neato 02:00 kados hiya walter, long time 02:00 kados congrats on the success of kete! 02:03 walter why thanks 02:14 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hiya walter 02:14 walter howdy 02:38 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> darci are you around? 02:39 darcilicious yup :) 02:39 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hiya - i am having some issues with publishing on the new.koha site 02:39 darcilicious k, let me wander over there 02:39 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> has kados given you a login for that site? 02:39 darcilicious i have a power user access yet 02:39 darcilicious yes 02:39 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i wanted to try out linguaplone 02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> so i have tried translating one page of this manual 02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> http://new.koha.org:8080/koha/documentation/manual/koha-2.2 02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> The 1. Introduction 02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> should be in both english and french now 02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> and i have tried publishing the pages 02:40 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> but i get asked to login to view them 02:41 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> when i am not logged in. 02:41 darcilicious k 02:42 darcilicious getting a new password :) 02:43 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> np 02:44 darcilicious the french version is not published 02:44 darcilicious what happens if you publish it? 02:45 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hmm i tried to publish it 02:45 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i'll try again 02:45 darcilicious k 02:47 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> hmm i see a translate option 02:47 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> but nowhere to publish the translated version 02:47 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> under manage translation the only option i get for french is to delete it 02:48 darcilicious select french from the drop down menu 02:48 darcilicious you'll get the french view and it'll be in draft 02:49 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> ahh found it 02:49 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> somehow i have ended up with the introduction 02:49 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> at the end of the document 02:49 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> instead of the beginning :-) 02:50 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> http://new.koha.org:8080/koha/documentation/manual/koha-2.2/introduction/view?set_language=en 02:50 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> http://new.koha.org:8080/koha/documentation/manual/koha-2.2/introduction-1/view?set_language=fr 02:50 darcilicious i see that 02:50 darcilicious how odd 02:50 darcilicious :) 02:51 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> yeah something werid when i go to add a page 02:51 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> ah well 02:51 darcilicious i'm not sure how well PHC and LP play together :) 02:51 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> to be honest i think that is PHC 02:52 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> cos if i recall 02:52 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> that happened when i was putting the document in orginally 02:52 darcilicious ah 02:53 darcilicious select english and it's 1. again :p 02:53 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i think phc is a little buggy 02:53 darcilicious right 02:55 darcilicious argh. it won't stay there 02:56 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> your guess is as good as mine :-) 02:56 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> bbiab 02:57 darcilicious k 03:04 darcilicious okay, reordering via drag/drop is not working on that site 03:04 darcilicious it's no limited to the PHC objects 03:07 darcilicious okay, i don't have the correctly permissions to reorder items anywhere on that site other than in my own personal folder 03:07 darcilicious correct even 03:09 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> back 03:09 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> right 03:09 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i think kados has started with quite restrictive privs and is gradually adding them as we need them. 03:09 darcilicious ah 03:09 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> that is my guess anyway 03:10 darcilicious when you're in the contents tab do you see the up/down arrows in the far right column (of any folder)? 03:10 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i'll email him and cc you in so that if i get it wrong you can set him right :-) 03:10 darcilicious :-) 03:10 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> nope 03:10 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i havent seen any up down arrows 03:10 darcilicious that's the deal then :) 03:10 darcilicious not sure what permissions that is 03:11 darcilicious it'd be easier if he just gave me full site manager privs. i have them at plone.org ;-) 03:14 [K] <ru55el@FreeNode> i agree - we'll wear him down on the front :-) 03:14 darcilicious :-) 03:14 darcilicious works for me 03:14 darcilicious :) 03:33 darcilicious all right then. night night, #koha :) i need to be up in 8.5 hours to have another day :) 03:33 chris night darci 08:26 slef /names 08:26 [K] *** #koha@FreeNode names: ru55el jeff [K] rangi 08:26 slef ru55el: are you russel?