| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 14:05 |
|
thd |
kados: are you there? |
| 19:04 |
|
paul |
hello world. it's 9PM and 5 mn, am I the only one on this chanel ? |
| 19:04 |
|
rch |
hi paul (nope) |
| 19:04 |
|
cm |
nope, paul, you're not. :) |
| 19:04 |
|
paul |
) |
| 19:04 |
|
paul |
was asking himself, of course ;-) |
| 19:05 |
|
paul |
kiwis are awaken... |
| 19:05 |
|
russel |
hi paul |
| 19:05 |
|
paul |
hi russel |
| 19:05 |
|
paul |
'morning |
| 19:05 |
|
russel |
very cold here this morning - hard to get out of bed :-) |
| 19:06 |
|
tumer[A] |
hello all, long time its been |
| 19:06 |
|
paul |
hi tumer. nice to see you here for the meeting |
| 19:06 |
|
kados2 |
wow |
| 19:06 |
|
kados2 |
sorry golks |
| 19:06 |
|
kados2 |
folks even |
| 19:06 |
|
tumer |
hi paul |
| 19:06 |
|
kados2 |
IRC was blocked where I am currently |
| 19:07 |
|
kados2 |
ryan found ircatwork.com for me, so thanks ryan |
| 19:07 |
|
kados2 |
big turnout today! |
| 19:07 |
|
tumer |
i am here just by coincidence, been away from library work for some time |
| 19:08 |
|
kados2 |
so are we ready to get started? |
| 19:08 |
|
kados2 |
maybe we can do a roll call? |
| 19:08 |
|
ryan |
here! |
| 19:08 |
|
tumer |
tumer present |
| 19:08 |
|
cm |
cm here |
| 19:09 |
|
sanspach |
sanspach lurking |
| 19:09 |
|
russel |
russel is here |
| 19:09 |
|
paul |
(I told him he will be |
| 19:09 |
|
kados2 |
hey sanspach, long time no see |
| 19:09 |
|
paul |
(sorry) |
| 19:09 |
|
kados2 |
morning russ, thanks for making it so early! |
| 19:09 |
|
kados2 |
still waiting for chris I take it? |
| 19:10 |
|
kados2 |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes07jun18 |
| 19:10 |
|
kados2 |
there's our agenda |
| 19:10 |
|
kados2 |
I put in some suggested times as wel |
| 19:10 |
|
kados2 |
we will have to postpone the discussion of Git until chris gets here |
| 19:10 |
|
tumer |
kados have you doubled? |
| 19:11 |
|
russel |
we needed more work out of him so we cloned him |
| 19:11 |
|
kados2 |
hehe |
| 19:11 |
|
kados2 |
so we have some new folks here |
| 19:11 |
|
kados2 |
maybe you'd be willing to introduce yourselves |
| 19:11 |
|
kados2 |
bureado? |
| 19:11 |
|
kados2 |
johnb, cm, kyle_ |
| 19:12 |
|
kados2 |
sanspach, saorge |
| 19:12 |
|
kados2 |
pecisk (don't recognise the nick) |
| 19:12 |
|
paul |
and maybe newlogbot should be introduced as well ;-) |
| 19:12 |
|
kados2 |
burg, tnb too i think |
| 19:12 |
|
kados2 |
hehe |
| 19:13 |
|
pecisk |
:)) |
| 19:13 |
|
kados2 |
so if you want, tell us who you are, and your interest in Koha, and if you have any development/documentation/specification/translation skills, etc. |
| 19:13 |
|
kados2 |
or other things you'd like to do on Koha |
| 19:13 |
|
pecisk |
feel |
| 19:13 |
|
cm |
guess i'm the only one paying attention from ccfls... don't know where johnb & kyle_ are. |
| 19:14 |
|
kados2 |
(cm, and ccfls isn't really new to Koha, but maybe new to the developer's chat) |
| 19:14 |
|
kados2 |
:-) |
| 19:14 |
|
johnb |
I'm here |
| 19:15 |
|
cm |
yeah, i'm not on here much. good news, though; we migrated our 1st & largest library to dev_week. |
| 19:15 |
|
cm |
now only 8 more to go. ;) |
| 19:15 |
|
kados2 |
wohoo! |
| 19:15 |
|
cm |
w00t! |
| 19:15 |
|
tumer |
I will be needing ILL module very soon has to be OCLC compliant, anyone working on that? |
| 19:16 |
|
pecisk |
I am Linux admin and dev, I am interested in Koha from a time when I girlfriend wrote project about implementing it in local museum, unfortunately lot of real time issues blocked to realise it in real life. However, I like that Koha is here and quite advanced, as I hate proritary backend stuff which is very expensive to license and doesn't work in lot of cases anyway :) |
| 19:16 |
|
thd |
cm: what are the ccfls? |
| 19:16 |
|
kados2 |
chris: welcome |
| 19:16 |
|
cm |
crawford county federated library system, in northwestern pennsylvania |
| 19:16 |
|
kados2 |
pecisk: welcome to Koha |
| 19:17 |
|
pecisk |
thanks :) |
| 19:17 |
|
kados2 |
ok, well don't want to force anyone else to announce themselves |
| 19:17 |
|
kados2 |
so we'll move on |
| 19:17 |
|
kados2 |
news from developers? |
| 19:17 |
|
kados2 |
I will start |
| 19:17 |
|
pecisk |
I could do translating and testing, but not much developer time for now, but I hope for more in future |
| 19:18 |
|
thd |
kados2: asking is not forcing |
| 19:18 |
|
kados2 |
last IRC meeting I announced that Liblime was hiring chris, mason and russ from Katipo |
| 19:18 |
|
kados2 |
so this time, I'm announcing that transition is completed |
| 19:18 |
|
kados2 |
and also, the big news everyone heard on the list already, we have Koha Project Day every week now |
| 19:19 |
|
kados2 |
it will be on Sunday/Monday (Sunday for the US office, Monday for the NZ one) |
| 19:19 |
|
toins_ |
good point |
| 19:19 |
|
kados2 |
pecisk, great! |
| 19:19 |
|
kados2 |
paul, do you have some news from France? |
| 19:20 |
|
paul |
yes, one that I alreday have mailed to koha-devel : 2 libraries are running Koha 3.0 live |
| 19:20 |
|
paul |
one with zebra, one without. |
| 19:20 |
|
kados2 |
very cool |
| 19:20 |
|
paul |
we have open suivi.paulpoulain.com to track bugs. |
| 19:20 |
|
paul |
it's mantis, a bugzilla like, but it's in french, so easier for frenchies to fill. |
| 19:20 |
|
kados2 |
neat |
| 19:21 |
|
paul |
and that will be our customer entry point for requests. |
| 19:21 |
|
cm |
we've been using mantis too. very handy. |
| 19:21 |
|
paul |
another one : SAN-OP just published their RFP for a new acquisition module. we will answer, of course ;-) |
| 19:22 |
|
paul |
a last one : we should have a new large public library, in New Caledonia, switching to Koha in 2007 (half the size of SAN-OP / NPL) |
| 19:22 |
|
kados2 |
fantastic paul |
| 19:22 |
|
kados2 |
anyone else with some news? |
| 19:23 |
|
tumer |
i have a zip file for Windows with rel TG |
| 19:23 |
|
tumer |
it instalss all modules perl |
| 19:23 |
|
kados2 |
wow, that sounds great tumer |
| 19:23 |
|
tumer |
zebra,sql in 3 minutes |
| 19:23 |
|
kados2 |
!! |
| 19:23 |
|
paul |
wow... I can't believe it ! |
| 19:23 |
|
thd |
tumer: can I build your release completely from that? |
| 19:23 |
|
tumer |
ready to download at http://library.neu.edu.tr/cgi-[…]ha/opac-downlodas |
| 19:24 |
|
toins_ |
404 not found... |
| 19:24 |
|
tumer |
it bulds all necessary files already downloaded 86 times |
| 19:24 |
|
ryan |
downlodas ? |
| 19:25 |
|
ryan |
downloads ? |
| 19:25 |
|
tumer |
the result is The Parliament library of Turkey wants us to install it (big library) |
| 19:25 |
|
tumer |
doing it next month |
| 19:25 |
|
kados2 |
cool tumer |
| 19:25 |
|
ryan |
nice |
| 19:26 |
|
thd |
tumer: when is the Turkish national library switching to Koha? |
| 19:26 |
|
tumer |
http://library.neu.edu.tr/cg-b[…]opac-downloads.pl but instructions in Turkish |
| 19:26 |
|
kados2 |
ok, we have a big agenda |
| 19:26 |
|
kados2 |
so lets move on |
| 19:26 |
|
kados2 |
we'll skip git details until chris gets here |
| 19:27 |
|
kados2 |
except to say that LibLime have been using git internally |
| 19:27 |
|
tumer |
is it any good? |
| 19:27 |
|
ryan |
we like it |
| 19:27 |
|
tumer |
cool |
| 19:27 |
|
kados2 |
the way koha version control works now it's very inefficient |
| 19:28 |
|
kados2 |
we all run off of one 'stable' CVS branch |
| 19:28 |
|
kados2 |
so every time someone commits something |
| 19:28 |
|
kados2 |
it could break something else |
| 19:28 |
|
kados2 |
with git, that won't happen |
| 19:28 |
|
kados2 |
each person can have version control, and send notices to the RM when a new feature is ready |
| 19:28 |
|
kados2 |
(similar to a commit, but doesn't affect the RM's version) |
| 19:29 |
|
kados2 |
the RM can then branch, pull in the changes, test, and merge with the main tree |
| 19:30 |
|
kados2 |
this will require the RM to be involved in every commit |
| 19:30 |
|
kados2 |
which will improve our QA as well |
| 19:30 |
|
kados2 |
if the RM doesn't have time, he can delegate the task to others |
| 19:30 |
|
kados2 |
who he trusts to make the decisions |
| 19:32 |
|
kados2 |
any questions/concerns/comments? |
| 19:32 |
|
thd |
kados2: are local repositories only available locally or are they distributed under git? |
| 19:32 |
|
paul |
yes, I have one ! |
| 19:32 |
|
kados2 |
thd: we can still have a main project repo |
| 19:32 |
|
kados2 |
thd: and each developer can have their own repo |
| 19:33 |
|
paul |
how will we decide to switch to git and how will we manage the CVS => git move ? |
| 19:34 |
|
kados2 |
good question |
| 19:34 |
|
kados2 |
s |
| 19:34 |
|
kados2 |
I was hoping we could decide today to switch |
| 19:34 |
|
kados2 |
the CVS=>git transition can be handled by ryan, chris and I |
| 19:34 |
|
kados2 |
along with documentation on how to use the new setup |
| 19:35 |
|
paul |
how will that work (the transition) ? |
| 19:35 |
|
thd |
kados2: how does git differ from the GNU project which starts with an 'a' |
| 19:35 |
|
kados2 |
how to decide: I think it's all about concensus among the people who write code in CVS |
| 19:35 |
|
kados2 |
thd: git is what the linux kernel uses for version control |
| 19:35 |
|
kados2 |
paul: chris can tell us best |
| 19:35 |
|
paul |
so, the SAN-OP is the only one missing unless i'm missing someone |
| 19:36 |
|
kados2 |
paul: yes, but they don't write much code, do they? |
| 19:36 |
|
paul |
anyway, if I have directions to help me start, I'm OK to move. |
| 19:36 |
|
kados2 |
and we can have a CVS front-end |
| 19:36 |
|
paul |
right, but they synch their version with the HEAD one |
| 19:36 |
|
kados2 |
so for people that only want to use CVS, it's OK |
| 19:37 |
|
paul |
with a cvs branch being managed by 1 git local repository (not sure to use the correct terms...) |
| 19:37 |
|
paul |
? |
| 19:37 |
|
thd |
kados2: there is a gnu CVS version control system which starts with an ''a'. How does git differ? |
| 19:37 |
|
kados2 |
thd I don't know what that is |
| 19:38 |
|
kados2 |
thd: http://git.or.cz/ |
| 19:38 |
|
ryan |
paul: right, your repo will be master for rel_2_2 , and kados' for head |
| 19:38 |
|
paul |
ryan: ok, understood, thx |
| 19:38 |
|
kados2 |
we will also still have a web version history |
| 19:38 |
|
kados2 |
it has better views than savannah currently has |
| 19:39 |
|
kados2 |
and we can still have an email list for commits |
| 19:39 |
|
paul |
my other question was about how to have an easy to access source code. I think this is the answer ;-) |
| 19:39 |
|
paul |
what is a "commit" under git ? |
| 19:39 |
|
paul |
when someone want to tell ppl that something is available on it's repository ? |
| 19:40 |
|
ryan |
a commit will generate an email, or the committer might post to koha-devel |
| 19:40 |
|
ryan |
then everyone will pull changes to their repos |
| 19:40 |
|
paul |
I prefer an automatic email, to be sure not to forget ;-) |
| 19:41 |
|
kados2 |
you can also 'push' to a shared repository |
| 19:41 |
|
kados2 |
chris has been planning how it should work, and considering as well how each library/company will want their own repo |
| 19:41 |
|
kados2 |
ok, so if there are no objections |
| 19:42 |
|
kados2 |
we will plan this soon |
| 19:42 |
|
paul |
none from me (except that I hope we will find enough time to learn git & other git tools ...) |
| 19:42 |
|
kados2 |
and chris will be writing a mail soon explaining the process |
| 19:42 |
|
paul |
do you also use cogito & other git related tools ? |
| 19:42 |
|
kados2 |
(not me, but I think other LLers have played with it) |
| 19:42 |
|
ryan |
cogito has largely become a part of git proper |
| 19:43 |
|
paul |
part of git proper ??? |
| 19:43 |
|
paul |
a part of git itself you mean ? |
| 19:43 |
|
ryan |
yes |
| 19:43 |
|
ryan |
it's very easy to use |
| 19:43 |
|
ryan |
you will like it :) |
| 19:43 |
|
kados2 |
ok, so I have another item under 'Koha 3.0 release plan' |
| 19:43 |
|
kados2 |
1st item is that I propose we move to git :-) |
| 19:44 |
|
kados2 |
2nd is that I propose to move to time-based releases, starting immediately |
| 19:44 |
|
tumer |
seconded |
| 19:44 |
|
paul |
time based releases ? I fully agree with this idea... |
| 19:44 |
|
kados2 |
the proposal is release 6 times a year |
| 19:44 |
|
tumer |
time-based? |
| 19:44 |
|
kados2 |
three types of releases |
| 19:44 |
|
kados2 |
alpha, beta, stable |
| 19:44 |
|
paul |
we say "it will be available at this date, we will see with what features" |
| 19:45 |
|
kados2 |
so a new release every two months |
| 19:45 |
|
kados2 |
July - Beta |
| 19:45 |
|
kados2 |
Sept - Stable |
| 19:45 |
|
kados2 |
Nov - Alpha |
| 19:45 |
|
kados2 |
Jan - beta |
| 19:45 |
|
kados2 |
Mar - Stable |
| 19:45 |
|
kados2 |
etc. |
| 19:45 |
|
paul |
feature based release : "it will be able when those features will be included, whatever the date" |
| 19:45 |
|
kados2 |
until now, with 3.0 it has ben impossible, because it wasn't stable at all |
| 19:46 |
|
kados2 |
but we can do a beta now |
| 19:46 |
|
paul |
so your proposal is to completly change our release theory ? |
| 19:46 |
|
kados2 |
(in July) |
| 19:46 |
|
thd |
what does time based release mean exactly? |
| 19:46 |
|
kados2 |
and get feedback, and then a stable in sept |
| 19:47 |
|
kados2 |
I am proposing a change in the release theory, yes |
| 19:47 |
|
kados2 |
three types of releases |
| 19:47 |
|
kados2 |
alpha - maybe some bugs, please test |
| 19:47 |
|
kados2 |
beta - most bugs fixed, we think it's stable, please test |
| 19:47 |
|
paul |
what if a bug appears in a sept-stable version, that is discovered in, say, november ? |
| 19:47 |
|
kados2 |
stable - tested, in production at some places |
| 19:48 |
|
kados2 |
I think that we release the stable version with the bug fix |
| 19:48 |
|
paul |
+ are you speaking of public releases ? |
| 19:48 |
|
kados2 |
paul, yes public releases |
| 19:48 |
|
kados2 |
so we have say 2.2.10 |
| 19:48 |
|
kados2 |
then, a bug is found |
| 19:48 |
|
kados2 |
so we do 2.2.10b |
| 19:48 |
|
kados2 |
with only the bug fix |
| 19:48 |
|
thd |
paul: is not issuing a new release the same as happens now? |
| 19:49 |
|
kados2 |
paul (git will make this easier) |
| 19:49 |
|
paul |
thd : ??? |
| 19:49 |
|
kados2 |
paul: (as you know for 2.2, this is quite hard ) |
| 19:49 |
|
paul |
right. It is harder because, as 3.0 was long to come, some ppl have added feature to rel_2_2 ... |
| 19:49 |
|
kados2 |
right |
| 19:50 |
|
thd |
paul: I mean how would issuing a bug fix release be any different? |
| 19:50 |
|
paul |
what I wanted to propose was to have : |
| 19:50 |
|
paul |
- 2.2 branch, strictly bugfixes |
| 19:50 |
|
paul |
- 2.4 branch, based on 2.2+liblime additions (serials, barcode printing, and some others) |
| 19:51 |
|
paul |
- 3.0 branch, based on head. |
| 19:51 |
|
kados2 |
hmmm |
| 19:51 |
|
kados2 |
I would prefer only two: |
| 19:51 |
|
kados2 |
2.2 branch, based on 2.2+liblime additions |
| 19:51 |
|
kados2 |
3.0 branch, based on head |
| 19:52 |
|
kados2 |
(liblime editions I think also include mysql 5 support by the way) |
| 19:52 |
|
kados2 |
(which is necessary even for 2.2, as many people have trouble with 2.2 because they have mysql 5) |
| 19:52 |
|
paul |
you're right. except your additions have been done on npl templates, and we couldn't test them deeply, even if I asked toins to port them to default templates) |
| 19:53 |
|
paul |
so, in france, I have problems with this branch. |
| 19:53 |
|
kados2 |
right |
| 19:53 |
|
thd |
paul: now that Etch is stable I think that 2.2 should have MySQL 5 support |
| 19:53 |
|
kados2 |
ok |
| 19:53 |
|
kados2 |
I will have LL team add to default then |
| 19:53 |
|
thd |
paul: what problems do you have in France with 2.4? |
| 19:53 |
|
kados2 |
it will be less work in the long run |
| 19:54 |
|
kados2 |
to get them working with both templates |
| 19:54 |
|
kados2 |
than to have two branches and another release to manage |
| 19:54 |
|
kados2 |
paul: is that OK? |
| 19:54 |
|
paul |
thd : right. I tried to port mySQL5.0 to 2.2.x, I may have missed some, but a large part of the stuff should be OK |
| 19:54 |
|
paul |
kados2 : yes, i'm OK. |
| 19:54 |
|
kados2 |
great |
| 19:54 |
|
kados2 |
so we have decided: |
| 19:55 |
|
kados2 |
1. moving to git |
| 19:55 |
|
paul |
(even if I'll have to investigate & test your additions anyway, for my customers ;-) ) |
| 19:55 |
|
kados2 |
2. time-based releases: every two months, alpha, beta, stable |
| 19:55 |
|
kados2 |
3. LL will commit to default templates, and we will not have a 2.4, but stay with 2.2 |
| 19:55 |
|
kados2 |
wow, very productive meeting :-) |
| 19:55 |
|
paul |
about 2. : |
| 19:56 |
|
paul |
how will we handle major new features that could not be done in just 6 months ? |
| 19:56 |
|
paul |
(git will help us will be the answer i think ;-) ) |
| 19:56 |
|
kados2 |
yes :-) |
| 19:56 |
|
kados2 |
they can be created on a branch |
| 19:56 |
|
kados2 |
and merged when they are ready |
| 19:56 |
|
russel |
and how will we handle when two teams are working on a similar feature at the same time? |
| 19:57 |
|
kados2 |
russel: good question |
| 19:57 |
|
russel |
i am thinking of ACQ which everyone seems to want to have a crack at |
| 19:57 |
|
kados2 |
acquisitions is a good example |
| 19:57 |
|
kados2 |
snap |
| 19:57 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 19:57 |
|
kados2 |
paul: some news: we have a large academic library that we have worked with to define some new acquisitions features |
| 19:57 |
|
paul |
yes, you already told me. |
| 19:58 |
|
kados2 |
we could: |
| 19:58 |
|
kados2 |
1. examine each other's specifications, and decide who will work on what, etc. |
| 19:58 |
|
kados2 |
2. have two comletely different acquisitions modules |
| 19:59 |
|
paul |
1 = maybe, but will require a big coordination, and SAN-OP want something live for 2008, jan |
| 19:59 |
|
paul |
2 = would be a shame |
| 19:59 |
|
kados2 |
yep |
| 19:59 |
|
thd |
Is either looking for a full accounting system? |
| 19:59 |
|
kados2 |
thd: yes, ours is |
| 19:59 |
|
paul |
not for us |
| 20:00 |
|
kados2 |
I think #2 is the only way for acquisitions |
| 20:00 |
|
ryan |
i like the idea of modularizing the modules. |
| 20:00 |
|
thd |
I have a suggestion for full accounting |
| 20:00 |
|
paul |
(maybe you can explain what you call "full accounting system") ? |
| 20:00 |
|
ryan |
so an acqisitions module can be 'installed' into koha |
| 20:00 |
|
kados2 |
ryan: yea |
| 20:00 |
|
paul |
because in france, public structure accounting software are very specific, proprietary, expensive, user-unfriendly, ... |
| 20:01 |
|
johnb |
We had this conversation in France. Due to everyones accounting quirks wouldn't it be best to make ACQ a plugin? |
| 20:01 |
|
paul |
maybe/probably |
| 20:01 |
|
thd |
paul: everything you might expect to manage all parts of a libraries budget control and payments |
| 20:01 |
|
paul |
so, definetly : NO speaking of SAN-OP plans. |
| 20:01 |
|
russel |
ok so step back from ACQ for a sec |
| 20:01 |
|
russel |
bigger picture |
| 20:01 |
|
thd |
s/libraries/library's/ |
| 20:02 |
|
russel |
how do we manage when two sets of developers are working on similar features at the same time? |
| 20:02 |
|
kados2 |
russel: depends on what you mean by 'manage' |
| 20:03 |
|
tumer |
1. declare your intention of developing a module |
| 20:03 |
|
russel |
or are we just going to have to reconcile that there will be duplicated effort from time to time? |
| 20:03 |
|
thd |
I think there is a namespace concern if they may not be compatible |
| 20:03 |
|
tumer |
2. discuss with other interested parties |
| 20:03 |
|
tumer |
3. share work |
| 20:03 |
|
kados2 |
russel: I think tumer's right, we need to be better about declaring our intentions on the koha-devel channel |
| 20:03 |
|
russel |
tumer++ |
| 20:03 |
|
russel |
i dont think we do enough of that is my concern |
| 20:04 |
|
kados2 |
russel: I completely agree |
| 20:04 |
|
cm |
perhaps use a centralized tasklist on the wiki or somesuch? |
| 20:04 |
|
paul |
I don't remember having added a major feature without warning on koha-dev before. So it's not a big job ;-) |
| 20:04 |
|
russel |
well when do you give the warning? |
| 20:04 |
|
russel |
when you start working on it |
| 20:04 |
|
tumer |
paul you war that you added not adding? |
| 20:04 |
|
kados2 |
paul: we have announced major features, but we haven't really been good about defining them ahead of time |
| 20:04 |
|
russel |
or just before you commit it? |
| 20:05 |
|
paul |
speaking of major additions, I share before writing them. |
| 20:05 |
|
kados2 |
so maybe we need to: |
| 20:05 |
|
kados2 |
1. announce the new feature |
| 20:05 |
|
russel |
paul: that is a good policy |
| 20:05 |
|
paul |
anyway, we should agree on what is a "major addition" ;-) |
| 20:05 |
|
kados2 |
2. release specifications |
| 20:06 |
|
kados2 |
part of the problem is, until now, many of the core devs haven't had time to read other people's specifications |
| 20:06 |
|
kados2 |
because we are too busy with our own specifications :-) |
| 20:06 |
|
kados2 |
but I can say, that is changing at LibLime |
| 20:06 |
|
russel |
i think it is getting to the stage where we all need to make the time |
| 20:06 |
|
kados2 |
esp with the new Koha Project Jay |
| 20:06 |
|
kados2 |
Day even |
| 20:06 |
|
kados2 |
rusel: exactly |
| 20:07 |
|
paul |
a second part of the problem is that our customers want answers in french, and you don't speak french very well :-D |
| 20:07 |
|
kados2 |
hehe |
| 20:07 |
|
russel |
well i have been talking to Irma in sydney, she has offered to help translate this type of thing |
| 20:07 |
|
ryan |
a defined process for public review of specs before implementation ? |
| 20:07 |
|
ryan |
or is that too restrictive ? |
| 20:07 |
|
paul |
for example, i've written a 33 pages doc about all koha 3.0 new features... waiting for translation... |
| 20:07 |
|
paul |
(irma will do at least a part of the job it seems) |
| 20:08 |
|
kados2 |
right |
| 20:08 |
|
cm |
paul: i'll do it if noone else wants to. ;) |
| 20:08 |
|
thd |
kados2: GnuArch is the Savannah supported distributed version control system of which I was thinking as comparable maybe more featurefull than git |
| 20:09 |
|
kados2 |
thd: we looked at arch a while back |
| 20:09 |
|
kados2 |
thd: 2.0.x had some arch repos in fact |
| 20:09 |
|
kados2 |
ok, getting back |
| 20:09 |
|
kados2 |
to the topic at hand |
| 20:10 |
|
kados2 |
what we need I think |
| 20:10 |
|
kados2 |
is to get more users involved |
| 20:10 |
|
kados2 |
in the development process |
| 20:10 |
|
kados2 |
people who work for libraries |
| 20:11 |
|
kados2 |
we need to find some libraries who can directly devote staff time to koha IMO |
| 20:11 |
|
thd |
kados2: the problem is that having you library vendor ask for volunteers is lack asking to be payed twice for support |
| 20:11 |
|
kados2 |
thd: not really |
| 20:11 |
|
russel |
well they probably are devoting a lot of time to koha, but internally |
| 20:12 |
|
kados2 |
thd: because we don't get paid for things related to the project |
| 20:12 |
|
kados2 |
thd: libraries want to pay as little as possible to us, so they just pay for the specific services we provide, like hosting, data migration, development |
| 20:12 |
|
thd |
kados2: I mean as compared to being asked by a foundation |
| 20:13 |
|
thd |
the request will always sound better coming from a foundation |
| 20:13 |
|
sanspach |
russel: exactly --the key is coordinating things so that their internal work can be made to work for testing and vice versa |
| 20:13 |
|
paul |
i've forgotten a french news !!! |
| 20:13 |
|
paul |
french koha NPO exist !!! |
| 20:13 |
|
paul |
www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr |
| 20:14 |
|
paul |
www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/association/ |
| 20:14 |
|
paul |
search "kohala" |
| 20:14 |
|
kados2 |
wow, great paul! |
| 20:14 |
|
kados2 |
paul: johnb has organized a meeting at ALA this year (in about a week) |
| 20:15 |
|
paul |
the "we need to find some libraries who can directly devote staff time to koha IMO" reminds me this... |
| 20:15 |
|
kados2 |
paul: to discuss a US one |
| 20:15 |
|
kados2 |
yep |
| 20:15 |
|
paul |
yes, i've seen the announce |
| 20:15 |
|
kados2 |
I still think, those are just 'users groups' |
| 20:15 |
|
kados2 |
I'm not sure they are the same as a 'koha software foundation' |
| 20:15 |
|
kados2 |
I've been looking at plone as a model: plone.org |
| 20:15 |
|
kados2 |
they have a foundation |
| 20:16 |
|
kados2 |
and it's worked quite well for them |
| 20:16 |
|
kados2 |
but anyway, this is off track |
| 20:16 |
|
kados2 |
and I have a meeting in 15 minutes :( |
| 20:16 |
|
kados2 |
to touch on some points: |
| 20:17 |
|
kados2 |
we don't need to move the IRC channel, we can 'relay' to freenode to increase visibility |
| 20:17 |
|
paul |
'relay' ??? |
| 20:17 |
|
kados2 |
a bot can relay messages from irc.freenode.net #koha to irc.katipo.co.nz #koha and back |
| 20:17 |
|
kados2 |
we tested it last week |
| 20:17 |
|
kados2 |
and it works fine |
| 20:18 |
|
[K] |
*** join #koha FreeNode: toins n=toinsAMarseille-251-1-59-126.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr |
| 20:18 |
|
paul |
ok. so any of those both chanel are equivalent ? |
| 20:18 |
|
kados2 |
hi toins at freenode :-) |
| 20:18 |
|
toins_ |
hehe |
| 20:18 |
|
kados2 |
paul: yes |
| 20:18 |
|
kados2 |
ok, I'm going out of order |
| 20:18 |
|
ryan |
problem is there's no /who |
| 20:19 |
|
kados2 |
perhaps we will skip 'copyright conventions' and leave that for the next meeting when slef is here |
| 20:19 |
|
paul |
I think the koha-dev thread was clear. |
| 20:19 |
|
kados2 |
the koha-dev thread had some ideas, but no conclusions :-) |
| 20:19 |
|
kados2 |
everyone had a different idea IIRC |
| 20:20 |
|
paul |
Ouch. Surely that could be replaced by the shorter: |
| 20:20 |
|
paul |
# Copyright 2000-2007 Katipo Communications |
| 20:20 |
|
paul |
# Copyright 2002-2007 Paul Poulain |
| 20:20 |
|
paul |
# Copyright 2004-2007 LibLime |
| 20:20 |
|
paul |
sounds fair |
| 20:20 |
|
thd |
there is a big problem with that form of notice |
| 20:21 |
|
ryan |
i think the code should reference an external document. |
| 20:21 |
|
kados2 |
ryan: that's my thinking lately too |
| 20:21 |
|
thd |
any one of those parties may be able to make a claim on the whole work |
| 20:22 |
|
kados2 |
I have only 10 minutes now |
| 20:22 |
|
thd |
kados2 what else is on the agenda aside from copyright? |
| 20:22 |
|
kados2 |
I think we should skip 'improving koha.org' because IIRC tina was going to show something and it's not ready yet |
| 20:22 |
|
kados2 |
so we have two items left: |
| 20:22 |
|
kados2 |
Open Positions in the Community |
| 20:22 |
|
kados2 |
OpenCataloger |
| 20:23 |
|
russel |
you prolly have enough time for one :-) go with OpenCataloger would be my pick |
| 20:23 |
|
kados2 |
hehe |
| 20:23 |
|
russel |
move copyright and positions to next meeting |
| 20:23 |
|
tumer |
seconded |
| 20:23 |
|
kados2 |
russel: sounds good |
| 20:23 |
|
russel |
cos those will require lots of discussion |
| 20:24 |
|
kados2 |
https://gna.org/projects/opencataloger |
| 20:24 |
|
kados2 |
that's the project paul and toins created |
| 20:25 |
|
kados2 |
and a new developer has joined the effort, it's the Google Summer of Code programmer Chris Catalfo |
| 20:25 |
|
thd |
I have a concern that the design of opencataloger not dilute the quality and usability of the plugins |
| 20:25 |
|
kados2 |
there's a mailing list too |
| 20:26 |
|
kados2 |
toins has already done a ton of work on this |
| 20:26 |
|
kados2 |
maybe toins can talk about it briefly? |
| 20:26 |
|
toins_ |
humm.... |
| 20:27 |
|
kados2 |
(maybe at the same time as toins is talking, everyone can say if this is a good time to meet in two weeks from now) |
| 20:27 |
|
toins_ |
opencataloger is a web based application written in XUL/Javascript for the client side and perl for server side |
| 20:27 |
|
kados2 |
(Monday, July 2nd) |
| 20:27 |
|
kados2 |
(so we can finish the agenda?) |
| 20:27 |
|
thd |
good for me |
| 20:28 |
|
cm |
yep, good for ccfls folks too. |
| 20:28 |
|
toins_ |
its tries to let the cataloger free to do what he wants |
| 20:28 |
|
paul |
july 2nd is OK for me |
| 20:28 |
|
ryan |
++ |
| 20:29 |
|
toins_ |
it s a marc editor for advanced cataloger |
| 20:29 |
|
toins_ |
what more ? Except as kados2 has certainly notify, it not work very well atm |
| 20:30 |
|
kados2 |
it works well, except for saving :-) |
| 20:30 |
|
toins_ |
its can searchs on multiple Z3950 server |
| 20:30 |
|
toins_ |
edit records |
| 20:30 |
|
toins_ |
classify them on an 'finish reservoir' and 'unfinish reservoir' |
| 20:30 |
|
kados2 |
Chris plans to have it working and ready for production by the end of the summer |
| 20:31 |
|
thd |
toins_ it is actually much more efficient than the existing Koha record editor independent of experience |
| 20:31 |
|
kados2 |
alng with toins help of course |
| 20:31 |
|
toins_ |
currently only saveToKoha22.pl works well |
| 20:31 |
|
ryan |
toins_++ |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
ok, I have to go now |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
thanks everyone |
| 20:32 |
|
paul |
you"re welcome |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
sorry, my travel plans were unexpected |
| 20:32 |
|
paul |
time to go to bed for frenchies |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
it won't happen next time, I promise :-) |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
(but probably ok anyway, to keep meetings short) |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
I'll write a summary |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
and mail to koha-devel |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
and announce the next meeting |
| 20:32 |
|
kados2 |
bye |
| 20:32 |
|
toins_ |
bye |
| 21:52 |
|
bureado |
kados: |
| 22:07 |
|
chris |
heya bess |
| 22:07 |
|
bess |
hi! |
| 22:08 |
|
bess |
wow, there's quite a few people in here |
| 22:08 |
|
bess |
is everyone koha developers or admins? |
| 22:08 |
|
chris |
not everyone but a few of us are |
| 22:08 |
|
bess |
can I ask some koha zoom installation questions? |
| 22:08 |
|
chris |
there are some koha users too .. and people asleep :) |
| 22:09 |
|
chris |
sure |
| 22:09 |
|
chris |
I may or may not be able to answer it :) |
| 22:09 |
|
bess |
so, I'm following the installation instructions... |
| 22:09 |
|
chris |
on the wiki? |
| 22:09 |
|
bess |
I'm following the ones can came with the installation package that kados sent me. |
| 22:09 |
|
bess |
Is there a better set on the wiki? |
| 22:10 |
|
bess |
maybe I should try those |
| 22:10 |
|
bess |
What is the url? |
| 22:10 |
|
dewey |
the url is, like, http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/ |
| 22:10 |
|
chris |
ahh kados sent you some ... those are probably better |
| 22:10 |
|
bess |
hmmm... that url doesn't work dewey |
| 22:10 |
|
chris |
the wiki ones are old |
| 22:10 |
|
chris |
dewey is a bot :) |
| 22:10 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ingzebraplugin226 |
| 22:10 |
|
bess |
ah! |
| 22:11 |
|
bess |
so, is koha zoom the same thing as koha 2.2.6? |
| 22:11 |
|
chris |
nope |
| 22:11 |
|
bess |
hi, chris!! Yes, I'm bess sadler |
| 22:12 |
|
bess |
wow, that's cool. :) |
| 22:12 |
|
chris |
koha zoom hasnt had a public release yet |
| 22:12 |
|
bess |
okay, so I'm trying to install koha zoom |
| 22:12 |
|
bess |
are the installation instructions that come with it the right ones to use? |
| 22:12 |
|
chris |
yep, so koha zoom is koha 2.2.x plus the Zebra plugin |
| 22:12 |
|
bess |
ah, okay, making more sense. |
| 22:13 |
|
chris |
if kados sent them, id assume so :) |
| 22:13 |
|
bess |
yes, but he sent them over a month ago |
| 22:13 |
|
bess |
I'm very behind on the project I'm working on |
| 22:13 |
|
chris |
we havent managed to build an easy to install release for koha zoom |
| 22:13 |
|
bess |
right. |
| 22:13 |
|
bess |
See, I'm trying to get you funding to do that. :) |
| 22:13 |
|
chris |
hence no public release |
| 22:13 |
|
bess |
Do you know about library-in-a-box? |
| 22:13 |
|
chris |
but the code is all in cvs |
| 22:13 |
|
chris |
sure do |
| 22:14 |
|
chris |
i heard you talking with talis about it :) |
| 22:14 |
|
bess |
okay, so this is me trying to get it installed so I can report back to the soros foundation |
| 22:14 |
|
chris |
righto |
| 22:14 |
|
bess |
really? you heard that podcast. Cool? |
| 22:14 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 22:14 |
|
bess |
okay, so, something weird... |
| 22:14 |
|
chris |
fire away |
| 22:14 |
|
bess |
Warning: DocumentRoot [/koha/production/intranet/htdocs] does not exist |
| 22:14 |
|
bess |
Warning: DocumentRoot [/koha/production/opac/htdocs] does not exist |
| 22:14 |
|
bess |
And sure enough, they don't exist. |
| 22:15 |
|
bess |
Or, to be more accurate... |
| 22:15 |
|
chris |
ah ha |
| 22:15 |
|
bess |
cgi-bin -> ../rel_3_0/koha/ |
| 22:15 |
|
bess |
and there is nothing in rel_3_0/koha |
| 22:15 |
|
chris |
do joshuas instructions include setting up the symlinks? |
| 22:15 |
|
bess |
no |
| 22:15 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 22:15 |
|
bess |
there is a symlink |
| 22:15 |
|
bess |
but it links to an empty directory |
| 22:16 |
|
bess |
which seems problematic to me. |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
thats helpful :) |
| 22:16 |
|
bess |
:) |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
yeah thats not gonna work :) |
| 22:16 |
|
bess |
so did the CVS checkout not work completely? |
| 22:16 |
|
bess |
maybe? |
| 22:16 |
|
chris |
could be |
| 22:17 |
|
chris |
id have to see the instructions |
| 22:17 |
|
bess |
so there is supposed to be stuff in that folder, yes? |
| 22:17 |
|
bess |
What's your email? |
| 22:17 |
|
bess |
I'll send them to you |
| 22:17 |
|
chris |
crcliblime.com |
| 22:17 |
|
bess |
hang on... |
| 22:18 |
|
chris |
ta |
| 22:19 |
|
bess |
okay, I just sent them off |
| 22:19 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 22:20 |
|
chris |
right ill quickly read through them |
| 22:20 |
|
bess |
okay, thanks |
| 22:20 |
|
bess |
brb |
| 22:22 |
|
bess |
I'm back |
| 22:22 |
|
chris |
still reading :) |
| 22:22 |
|
bess |
take your time |
| 22:24 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 22:24 |
|
chris |
so you have a /koha dir |
| 22:25 |
|
bess |
yes |
| 22:25 |
|
chris |
which should have production/ testing/ bin and cron under it ? |
| 22:25 |
|
bess |
hang on.. |
| 22:26 |
|
bess |
trying to get my screen arranged so I can type and look at the text window |
| 22:26 |
|
chris |
righto :) |
| 22:26 |
|
chris |
oh and log and etc |
| 22:27 |
|
bess |
yes, /koha has backups bin cron etc log production testing and tmp |
| 22:27 |
|
chris |
right |
| 22:27 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 22:28 |
|
chris |
and in /koha/production/intranet |
| 22:28 |
|
chris |
there is a symlink to a non existing dir? |
| 22:28 |
|
chris |
and no htdocs? |
| 22:28 |
|
bess |
cgi-bin -> ../rel_3_0/koha/ |
| 22:28 |
|
bess |
htdocs -> ../rel_3_0/koha/koha-tmpl |
| 22:28 |
|
chris |
ok |
| 22:29 |
|
bess |
modules |
| 22:29 |
|
chris |
i think we can fix this |
| 22:29 |
|
chris |
if we do |
| 22:29 |
|
chris |
cd /koha/production/cvsrepo/ |
| 22:29 |
|
bess |
ok |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
in there is there a koha/ dir ? |
| 22:30 |
|
bess |
y |
| 22:30 |
|
bess |
hmmm... C4 |
| 22:30 |
|
bess |
that's one of my missing directories |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
and thats our cvs checkout |
| 22:30 |
|
bess |
so is installer |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
now what i dont understand is |
| 22:31 |
|
chris |
is why cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymouscvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/koha co -P koha |
| 22:31 |
|
chris |
ahhh i do understand |
| 22:32 |
|
bess |
yes? |
| 22:32 |
|
chris |
he has modified the instustions for koha 3.0 .. but not all the way |
| 22:32 |
|
bess |
ah |
| 22:33 |
|
chris |
can we do a rm -r koha (in /koha/production/cvsrepo/ ) |
| 22:33 |
|
bess |
sure |
| 22:33 |
|
bess |
done |
| 22:33 |
|
chris |
and we will then checkout the dev_week (which is koha zoom) |
| 22:34 |
|
bess |
how do I do that? |
| 22:34 |
|
chris |
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymouscvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/koha co -r dev_week -P koha |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
in that directory |
| 22:35 |
|
bess |
from /koha/production/cvsrepo? |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
thats the one |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
once thats done we can make or symlinks to the right places |
| 22:35 |
|
bess |
it's downloading |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
our even |
| 22:35 |
|
bess |
:) |
| 22:36 |
|
bess |
okay, done |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
speedy |
| 22:36 |
|
bess |
yes, I'm at the uni. :) |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
much faster than over here to nz |
| 22:36 |
|
bess |
where are you? NZ? |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 22:36 |
|
bess |
cool. |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
wellington |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
ok |
| 22:36 |
|
bess |
I've always wanted to go there |
| 22:37 |
|
bess |
ok, what next? |
| 22:37 |
|
chris |
lets go to /koha/production/intranet |
| 22:37 |
|
bess |
ok |
| 22:37 |
|
chris |
and our htdocs symlink should be htdocs -> /koha/production/cvsrepo/koha/koha-tmpl/ |
| 22:38 |
|
bess |
done: htdocs -> /koha/production/cvsrepo/koha/koha-tmpl |
| 22:38 |
|
chris |
cgi-bin -> /koha/production/cvsrepo/koha/ |
| 22:38 |
|
bess |
done: cgi-bin -> /koha/production/cvsrepo/koha |
| 22:39 |
|
chris |
now what i do here |
| 22:39 |
|
bess |
what about modules/C4? |
| 22:39 |
|
bess |
same thing, yes? |
| 22:39 |
|
chris |
-> /koha/prodcution/cvsrepo/koha/C4/ |
| 22:39 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 22:40 |
|
bess |
okay, done |
| 22:40 |
|
chris |
righto |
| 22:40 |
|
chris |
you got all the perl modules installed, and zebra up and running eh? |
| 22:40 |
|
bess |
yes |
| 22:41 |
|
chris |
in theory .. it might be working now :) |
| 22:41 |
|
chris |
we may have to restart apache |
| 22:41 |
|
bess |
restarting.... |
| 22:41 |
|
bess |
hmm... not yet |
| 22:42 |
|
bess |
The requested URL /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl was not found on this server. |
| 22:42 |
|
bess |
http://lab3.betech.virginia.ed[…]taller/install.pl |
| 22:42 |
|
chris |
hmm i wonder if he did want you to install koha 3 .. not zoom |
| 22:43 |
|
bess |
I'm still not clear on the distinction |
| 22:43 |
|
bess |
What URL should I go to? |
| 22:43 |
|
chris |
heres what we can do |
| 22:43 |
|
bess |
could there be a problem w/ my httpd config? |
| 22:44 |
|
chris |
no, its fine |
| 22:44 |
|
bess |
I wasn't sure how to setup the virtualhosts, so I just took a guess based on how my other server is set up. |
| 22:44 |
|
chris |
what is confusing me is saying Koha ZOOm but the instructions seem to be for 3.0 (which is the upcoming release ... ok i have a plan) |
| 22:44 |
|
bess |
ok |
| 22:44 |
|
chris |
lets cd back to /koha/production/cvsrepo |
| 22:45 |
|
chris |
mv koha koha_dev_week |
| 22:45 |
|
bess |
ok |
| 22:45 |
|
chris |
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymouscvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/koha co -P koha |
| 22:45 |
|
chris |
(we will check out 3.0 this time) |
| 22:45 |
|
bess |
ok |
| 22:45 |
|
chris |
our symlinks should all still be good |
| 22:45 |
|
bess |
3.0 is the upcoming release, right? |
| 22:45 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 22:46 |
|
bess |
drat! no joy. :( |
| 22:46 |
|
chris |
still the same error? |
| 22:46 |
|
bess |
The requested URL /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl was not found on this server. |
| 22:46 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 22:47 |
|
bess |
hang on... |
| 22:47 |
|
bess |
something is fishy |
| 22:47 |
|
chris |
what does ls /koha/production/intranet/cgi-bin/ say ? |
| 22:47 |
|
chris |
is there an installer dir there? |
| 22:48 |
|
bess |
yes |
| 22:48 |
|
bess |
I think maybe apache is cacheing something |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
ok and in our httpd.conf |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
we have |
| 22:48 |
|
bess |
do you want the whole thing? |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/koha/ /koha/production/intranet/cgi-bin/ |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
? |
| 22:49 |
|
bess |
in httpd.conf or in /koha/etc/koha-production-httpd.conf? |
| 22:49 |
|
chris |
sorry the latter |
| 22:50 |
|
bess |
no, we have ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/koha/ "/koha/production/opac/cgi-bin/" |
| 22:50 |
|
chris |
hmm do we have 2 virtualhosts |
| 22:50 |
|
chris |
one for opac one for intranet? |
| 22:50 |
|
bess |
well, I didn't know how to set them up. |
| 22:50 |
|
bess |
So, maybe I didn't do it right |
| 22:50 |
|
bess |
NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 22:51 |
|
chris |
you could email me that file if you wanted |
| 22:51 |
|
chris |
might be easier |
| 22:51 |
|
chris |
and i can edit and send back? |
| 22:51 |
|
bess |
it's already on the way :) |
| 22:51 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 22:53 |
|
bess |
okay, it took me a second to get it sent off |
| 22:53 |
|
bess |
I realized I can't send mail from the actual server |
| 22:53 |
|
chris |
ahh bummer |
| 22:53 |
|
bess |
it's on the way now |
| 22:53 |
|
chris |
koha wont be able to send you overdue notices :-) |
| 22:53 |
|
bess |
good point |
| 22:54 |
|
bess |
I finally got the university to cough up a debian server |
| 22:54 |
|
bess |
we run red hat here and boy was that a fiasco, trying to install this on red hat |
| 22:54 |
|
chris |
yeah its been done, but its not easy .. these are all things we have to overcome to get a nice public release |
| 22:54 |
|
chris |
ok .. so this looks ok to me |
| 22:55 |
|
bess |
but what about the second virtualhost? |
| 22:55 |
|
chris |
the url you are hitting is productionintranet right? |
| 22:55 |
|
bess |
I don't understand the question |
| 22:55 |
|
bess |
the hostname of the server is lab3.betech.virginia.edu |
| 22:55 |
|
chris |
ah ha |
| 22:56 |
|
bess |
I'm missing a vital concept, aren't i? |
| 22:56 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 22:56 |
|
chris |
yeah that will take you to the opac |
| 22:56 |
|
bess |
so how do I get to the other? |
| 22:56 |
|
bess |
it says ServerName productionintranet |
| 22:56 |
|
bess |
I see that now |
| 22:56 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 22:56 |
|
bess |
how should I change it? |
| 22:57 |
|
bess |
I mean, we don't have anything called productionintranet registered w/ DNS |
| 22:57 |
|
chris |
now is it possible to get a nice person who looks after your dns is |
| 22:57 |
|
chris |
to set up |
| 22:57 |
|
chris |
opac.lab3.betech.virginia.edu |
| 22:57 |
|
chris |
and |
| 22:57 |
|
bess |
Oh, I have an alias! |
| 22:57 |
|
chris |
staff.lab3.betech.virginia.edu |
| 22:58 |
|
bess |
koha.betech.virginia.edu |
| 22:58 |
|
bess |
will that do? |
| 22:58 |
|
chris |
then you can change the servernames |
| 22:58 |
|
chris |
sure lets try that |
| 22:58 |
|
bess |
lab3.betech.virginia.edu = koha.betech.virginia.edu |
| 22:58 |
|
chris |
change the productionintranet to be koha.betech.virginia.edu |
| 22:58 |
|
dewey |
chris: that doesn't look right |
| 22:59 |
|
chris |
ssh dewey |
| 22:59 |
|
bess |
ServerName koha.betech.virginia.edu |
| 22:59 |
|
bess |
for the intranet |
| 22:59 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 22:59 |
|
bess |
is that right? |
| 22:59 |
|
chris |
and restart apache |
| 22:59 |
|
bess |
restarting... |
| 22:59 |
|
chris |
and in theory |
| 22:59 |
|
chris |
koha.betech.virginia.edu = intranet |
| 22:59 |
|
chris |
lab3.betech.virginia.edu = opac |
| 23:00 |
|
bess |
dammit |
| 23:00 |
|
bess |
same error |
| 23:00 |
|
bess |
The requested URL /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl was not found on this server. |
| 23:00 |
|
chris |
still defaulting to the opac? |
| 23:00 |
|
bess |
http://koha.betech.virginia.ed[…]taller/install.pl |
| 23:00 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 23:01 |
|
chris |
ok |
| 23:01 |
|
bess |
How should the top part of the file be? |
| 23:01 |
|
bess |
oh wait! |
| 23:01 |
|
chris |
is there any other error in the main apache2 error log? |
| 23:01 |
|
bess |
Yes, I broke the top part of the file, and when I changed it back it started working! |
| 23:01 |
|
chris |
yay |
| 23:01 |
|
bess |
NameVirtualHost * |
| 23:01 |
|
bess |
that's what it should say |
| 23:02 |
|
bess |
I changed it to NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 23:02 |
|
bess |
because that's how our other apache configs are setup |
| 23:02 |
|
bess |
but look, it gives a warning when you restart apache: |
| 23:02 |
|
chris |
cool, and now its happy? koha->intranet lab3->opac ? |
| 23:02 |
|
bess |
Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...[Mon Jun 18 10:58:57 2007] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
| 23:03 |
|
chris |
yeah we can ignore that i think |
| 23:03 |
|
bess |
I don't know, I haven't run the installer yet. |
| 23:03 |
|
bess |
What's the login / pass? |
| 23:03 |
|
bess |
Is it the mysql? |
| 23:03 |
|
chris |
ahh whatever you set up in your koha.xml |
| 23:03 |
|
chris |
and used when you made your database |
| 23:03 |
|
bess |
I didn't change it |
| 23:03 |
|
bess |
hang on... |
| 23:04 |
|
bess |
oh wait |
| 23:04 |
|
bess |
so I'm looking at /production/cvsrepo/koha/misc/koha.xml |
| 23:04 |
|
bess |
yes? |
| 23:05 |
|
chris |
ahh /koha/etc/ |
| 23:05 |
|
chris |
i there i think |
| 23:05 |
|
bess |
okay, hang on |
| 23:05 |
|
chris |
koha-production.xml in there |
| 23:06 |
|
bess |
kohaadmin / K0h4R0ck$ |
| 23:06 |
|
bess |
right? |
| 23:06 |
|
bess |
but it doesn't work |
| 23:06 |
|
chris |
hmm is there another one further down |
| 23:06 |
|
chris |
actually when you did this step |
| 23:06 |
|
bess |
yes, that's the one |
| 23:06 |
|
bess |
kohaadmin / PASSWORD |
| 23:07 |
|
chris |
does that work? |
| 23:07 |
|
bess |
yes |
| 23:07 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 23:07 |
|
bess |
creating database tables (this is so exciting to get this far!) |
| 23:07 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 23:07 |
|
bess |
dammit!! |
| 23:07 |
|
bess |
The following error occcurred while importing the database structure: |
| 23:07 |
|
chris |
i havent done a 3.0 install .. so from here is all new to me |
| 23:08 |
|
bess |
Unknown suffix '-' used for variable 'port' (value '-u') |
| 23:08 |
|
bess |
mysql: Error while setting value '-u' to 'port' |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
ahh that looks like a bug in the installer |
| 23:08 |
|
bess |
"Please contact your system administrator" <--- so helpful! :) |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 23:08 |
|
bess |
so this must be happening in install.pl, right? |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
does the error log tell you anything |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
if it does and it has a linenumber i can go inspect the code |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
and maybe fix, then a cvs update should sort you out |
| 23:09 |
|
bess |
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /koha/production/intranet/cgi |
| 23:09 |
|
bess |
in/installer/install.pl line 339., referer: http://koha.betech.virginia.ed[…]install.pl?step=3 |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
ahh thats a warn, we can ignore that one |
| 23:10 |
|
bess |
that's the only error |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
darn |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
ill have a quick look |
| 23:10 |
|
bess |
how do you know it's a warn? |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
use of uniinitialzed value is always a warn |
| 23:11 |
|
bess |
oh |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
ok |
| 23:12 |
|
chris |
in ur koha-production.xml file |
| 23:12 |
|
bess |
yes? |
| 23:12 |
|
chris |
is there a hostname line? |
| 23:12 |
|
bess |
hang on |
| 23:13 |
|
bess |
yes. localhost |
| 23:13 |
|
chris |
k |
| 23:13 |
|
bess |
that should be right |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 23:15 |
|
bess |
my $str = qx(mysql -h $info{hostname} -P $info{port} -u $info{user} -p$info{password} $info{dbname} <$filename 2>&1); |
| 23:15 |
|
bess |
I bet there is no value for port |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
good spotting |
| 23:15 |
|
bess |
That would make that line read as -P -u username |
| 23:15 |
|
bess |
which would throw that error |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 23:16 |
|
bess |
there's no place to set port in the koha.xml file |
| 23:16 |
|
chris |
right |
| 23:16 |
|
chris |
and if we look at the koha.xml in our cvs repo .. is there one there? |
| 23:16 |
|
bess |
hang on |
| 23:16 |
|
chris |
if so, we can copy and paste it ,.. and see if that fixes it |
| 23:17 |
|
bess |
where would that be? |
| 23:17 |
|
chris |
/production/cvsrepo/koha/misc/koha.xml |
| 23:19 |
|
bess |
no |
| 23:19 |
|
bess |
can I just hack it and put in 3306? |
| 23:19 |
|
chris |
sure lets try that :) |
| 23:20 |
|
bess |
my $str = qx(mysql -h $info{hostname} -P 3306 -u $info{user} -p$info{password} $info{dbname} <$filename 2>&1); |
| 23:21 |
|
bess |
Database tables created |
| 23:21 |
|
bess |
:) |
| 23:22 |
|
bess |
i'm installing all the optional stuff... |
| 23:22 |
|
bess |
hope that's okay |
| 23:23 |
|
chris |
your guess is as good as mine a this point :) |
| 23:25 |
|
bess |
everything worked except importing authorities |
| 23:25 |
|
chris |
ahh |
| 23:25 |
|
bess |
Congratulations, Installation complete |
| 23:26 |
|
bess |
whatever that means. :) |
| 23:26 |
|
chris |
yippy skippy |
| 23:26 |
|
chris |
i wonder what happens when you hit http://koha.betech.virginia.edu/ |
| 23:26 |
|
chris |
or lab3. |
| 23:27 |
|
bess |
lab3.betech.virginia.edu redirects me to http://lab3.betech.virginia.edu/apache2-default/ |
| 23:27 |
|
bess |
which just says: It works! |
| 23:27 |
|
bess |
apache default |
| 23:28 |
|
chris |
ah we may have to do some more apache config trickery maybe put that as the servername |
| 23:28 |
|
chris |
in the opac |
| 23:28 |
|
chris |
does the koha. one get you into the intranet/librarian interface? |
| 23:29 |
|
bess |
no |
| 23:29 |
|
bess |
it redirects me to http://koha.betech.virginia.ed[…]install.pl?step=3 |
| 23:29 |
|
bess |
apache config weirdness, you think? |
| 23:29 |
|
chris |
hmmm i thought it said we were finished |
| 23:29 |
|
bess |
it did |
| 23:29 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 23:30 |
|
bess |
but then it reloaded the page automatically and we were back at http://koha.betech.virginia.ed[…]install.pl?step=3 |
| 23:30 |
|
chris |
ok does http://koha.betech.virginia.ed[…]/koha/mainpage.pl work? |
| 23:30 |
|
bess |
and if I go to http://koha.betech.virginia.edu it takes me there too |
| 23:30 |
|
bess |
it redirects to the same place! weird. |
| 23:31 |
|
chris |
that is weird |
| 23:31 |
|
chris |
lemme look at that config again |
| 23:31 |
|
bess |
want me to send you the updated one? |
| 23:32 |
|
chris |
hmm doesnt seem to be any redirects in there |
| 23:33 |
|
chris |
is there a .htaccess file in /koha/production/intranet/cgi-bin ? |
| 23:33 |
|
bess |
yes |
| 23:33 |
|
bess |
ErrorDocument 400 /cgi-bin/koha/koha-tmpl/errors/400.pl |
| 23:33 |
|
bess |
several ErrorDocument declarations |
| 23:33 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 23:33 |
|
chris |
any Redirect ones? |
| 23:34 |
|
bess |
no, only the ErrorDocument lines |
| 23:34 |
|
chris |
ok |
| 23:34 |
|
bess |
should I bug Kados about this? |
| 23:34 |
|
chris |
how bout /koha/production/intranet/htdocs ? |
| 23:34 |
|
bess |
You're being so helpful, but I worry that I'm taking up all of your time |
| 23:35 |
|
bess |
no .htaccess file there |
| 23:35 |
|
chris |
we'll give it 10 more mins :) |
| 23:35 |
|
bess |
ok, thanks. :) |
| 23:35 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 23:35 |
|
chris |
i wonder where the redirect is coming from |
| 23:36 |
|
chris |
lets try a brute force :) |
| 23:36 |
|
bess |
wait! |
| 23:36 |
|
bess |
I found a problem! |
| 23:36 |
|
bess |
we updated the symlinks for the intranet, but not for the opac |
| 23:37 |
|
bess |
cgi-bin -> ../rel_3_0/koha/opac |
| 23:37 |
|
bess |
which doesn't exist |
| 23:37 |
|
chris |
ah yep, the opac isnt going yet, (ie we end up at that apache default page) |
| 23:37 |
|
bess |
I mean, I don't know if this solved our particular problem, but it's something to fix |
| 23:37 |
|
chris |
yep for sure |
| 23:37 |
|
chris |
lets go |
| 23:38 |
|
bess |
so where do the files in /koha/production/opac point to? |
| 23:38 |
|
chris |
cd /koha/ |
| 23:38 |
|
chris |
grep -r "Redirect" * |
| 23:38 |
|
chris |
see if we can find this redirect |
| 23:38 |
|
bess |
wait, I will, but I want to fix one thing at a time |
| 23:38 |
|
bess |
where do the sym links in /koha/production/opac go? |
| 23:39 |
|
chris |
ahh i was leaving the opac until we get the intranet going .. but yep we can do it now we will have to change the servername to get the opac to work too |
| 23:39 |
|
bess |
oh, okay that's fine, we can leave it for later |
| 23:39 |
|
chris |
opac/cgi-bin goes to the same place as intranet/cgi-bin |
| 23:39 |
|
chris |
same with htdocs |
| 23:40 |
|
chris |
sorry i lie, |
| 23:40 |
|
chris |
opac/cgi-bin -> /koha/production/cvsrepo/koha/opac/ |
| 23:40 |
|
chris |
opac/htdocs ->/koha/production/cvsrepo/koha/koha-tmpl/ |
| 23:41 |
|
chris |
thats all of them eh? |
| 23:41 |
|
bess |
yes, that's all of them |
| 23:41 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 23:41 |
|
chris |
and if we change ServerName to lab3. ... |
| 23:42 |
|
chris |
and restart apache, hopefully we get the opac up |
| 23:42 |
|
bess |
wait, change which ServerName? |
| 23:43 |
|
chris |
the opac one |
| 23:43 |
|
chris |
(first one) |
| 23:43 |
|
bess |
it already is lab3 |
| 23:43 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 23:43 |
|
chris |
lets try changing |
| 23:43 |
|
bess |
okay |
| 23:43 |
|
chris |
<VirtualHost *:80> |
| 23:43 |
|
chris |
to |
| 23:44 |
|
chris |
<VirtualHost lab3.betech.virginia.edu:80> |
| 23:44 |
|
chris |
for the first virtual host |
| 23:44 |
|
bess |
okay |
| 23:44 |
|
bess |
restarting |
| 23:44 |
|
chris |
(its not quite the 8 minutes it takes me to install 2.2 :) |
| 23:45 |
|
bess |
hooray! |
| 23:45 |
|
chris |
we have opac? yay |
| 23:45 |
|
bess |
well, not yet |
| 23:45 |
|
bess |
but a different error. :) |
| 23:45 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 23:46 |
|
bess |
I get a list of files... favicon.ico, index.html, intranet-tmpl, intranet.html |
| 23:46 |
|
bess |
if I click on index.html I get a 404 |
| 23:46 |
|
chris |
ahh try |
| 23:46 |
|
bess |
If I click on opac.html I get The requested URL /cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl was not found on this server. |
| 23:47 |
|
chris |
lab3.betech.virginia.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl |
| 23:47 |
|
chris |
(we have a missing redirect there, and one we dont want in the intranet :)) |
| 23:47 |
|
bess |
The requested URL /cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl was not found on this server. |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 23:48 |
|
bess |
let's double check those sym links I made |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
ls /koha/production/opac/cgi-bin |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
if its not there |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
then our symlink is wrong |
| 23:48 |
|
bess |
cgi-bin didn't get the symlink created |
| 23:48 |
|
chris |
ah ha |
| 23:48 |
|
bess |
I could have sworn I changed it |
| 23:48 |
|
bess |
hang on |
| 23:49 |
|
bess |
dammitt!! |
| 23:50 |
|
chris |
it wont stick? |
| 23:50 |
|
bess |
now it's redirecting to The requested URL /cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl was not found on this server. |
| 23:50 |
|
bess |
the install.pl again! |
| 23:50 |
|
bess |
Only now it tcan't find it |
| 23:50 |
|
bess |
pwd = /koha/production/opac |
| 23:50 |
|
bess |
cgi-bin -> /koha/production/cvsrepo/koha/opac |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
thats right |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
ok theres some madness going on with this redirect |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
lets try our grep |
| 23:51 |
|
bess |
okay |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
cd /koha/ |
| 23:51 |
|
bess |
ok |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
grep -r "Redirect" * |
| 23:52 |
|
chris |
brb, crying son, just checking if my wife needs a hand |
| 23:52 |
|
bess |
nothing that looks like our culprit: |
| 23:52 |
|
bess |
ok |
| 23:52 |
|
bess |
production/intranet/cgi-bin/misc/Install.pm: Redirect permanent index.html http://$servername\:$opacport/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl |
| 23:52 |
|
bess |
production/intranet/cgi-bin/misc/Install.pm: Redirect permanent index.html http://$servername\:$intranetport/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl |
| 23:52 |
|
bess |
production/cvsrepo/koha_dev_week/misc/Install.pm: Redirect permanent index.html http://$servername\:$opacport/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl |
| 23:53 |
|
bess |
production/cvsrepo/koha_dev_week/misc/Install.pm: Redirect permanent index.html http://$servername\:$intranetport/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl |
| 23:53 |
|
bess |
production/cvsrepo/koha/misc/Install.pm: Redirect permanent index.html http://$servername\:$opacport/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl |
| 23:53 |
|
bess |
production/cvsrepo/koha/misc/Install.pm: Redirect permanent index.html http://$servername\:$intranetport/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl |
| 23:53 |
|
chris |
back |
| 23:53 |
|
chris |
hmm nope those all look right |
| 23:54 |
|
chris |
ah well im afraid im stumped |
| 23:54 |
|
chris |
might have to ask kados |
| 23:54 |
|
bess |
that's okay, you've been a huge help |
| 23:54 |
|
bess |
I'll email Josh and see if he can help me |
| 23:54 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 23:54 |
|
bess |
Thank you for taking the time, I really appreaciate it |
| 23:54 |
|
bess |
Go spend time w/ your baby. :) |
| 23:54 |
|
chris |
cc me in if you want, i wouldnt mind knowing the answer :) |
| 23:54 |
|
bess |
okay, I will |
| 23:55 |
|
chris |
ahh its 11.54am here |
| 23:55 |
|
bess |
Ha! |
| 23:55 |
|
chris |
i have to spend time merging in changes to a clients repository :) |
| 23:55 |
|
bess |
I'm grouchy b/c I missed dinner and it's getting too dark to ride hom |
| 23:55 |
|
bess |
home |
| 23:55 |
|
bess |
stayed late at work |
| 23:55 |
|
chris |
ahhh |
| 23:55 |
|
bess |
have a good day, then! |
| 23:55 |
|
chris |
thank, have a good evening, and cya another time :) |
| 23:55 |
|
bess |
okay, bye, and thanks again |
| 11:05 |
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|
lloyd |
productive meeting last night? |
