| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 06:09 |
|
Lea |
hi |
| 06:09 |
|
dewey |
what's up, Lea |
| 06:09 |
|
Lea |
oh hi Dewey. Not bad. Just got in after the weekend |
| 06:09 |
|
Lea |
monday mornings :( |
| 06:10 |
|
Lea |
I popped on because I realised that this data mapping is a little bit os a nightmare and was after info regarding Z39 servers |
| 06:11 |
|
Lea |
I'm going to be losing a lot of data with this migration and I'm thinking z39 might help with that. I tried unsuccessfully to connect to a server. I'm wondering if the server opens up a port back on your machine or if it uses an open connection (like http) |
| 06:12 |
|
Lea |
guess i'm just wondering if i need to change my firewall policies |
| 06:16 |
|
chris |
open connection like http |
| 06:16 |
|
chris |
easiest test is to use yaz-client |
| 06:17 |
|
chris |
ie |
| 06:18 |
|
chris |
yaz-client z3950.loc.gov:7090 |
| 06:18 |
|
chris |
if that works on the koha server .. then the z3950 client in koha oughta work |
| 06:19 |
|
chris |
or for one closer to you ... yaz-client library.ox.ac.uk:210 |
| 06:22 |
|
Lea |
ok thanks chris |
| 06:23 |
|
Lea |
is it like DNS where unknown books will be forwarded on or is it a case of "not in outr library. computer says no" |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
computer says no ..... *cough* |
| 06:25 |
|
Lea |
so is it of limited use then? |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
but koha lets you specify lots of servers |
| 06:26 |
|
Lea |
ah ok |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
and it can try them all |
| 06:26 |
|
Lea |
i guess you just need to put in some BIG libraries |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
yeah, british national library |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
library of congress etc |
| 06:26 |
|
Lea |
hey chris, thanks for the pointers. I'm going to try it. It searches on ISBN right? |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
they carry catalogue records even if they dont carry the actual items |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
yeah thats the easiest |
| 06:27 |
|
Lea |
ah cool |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
title works too |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
but you get lots of false positives with the title |
| 06:27 |
|
Lea |
is there a way i can automate this? I mean, i have a lot of ISBN numbers |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
yeah im sure you could shell script it |
| 06:28 |
|
Lea |
ok, what are the scripts I should look at? |
| 06:28 |
|
chris |
youd probably have to do it from scratch |
| 06:28 |
|
chris |
basically what you want is to just grab marc records |
| 06:29 |
|
chris |
and then you can use bulkmarcimport.pl to load them into koha |
| 06:29 |
|
chris |
so some kinda script that reads a file of isbn's |
| 06:29 |
|
Lea |
yes, ok. How should i make the z39 call or do i need to write a library to do that? :) |
| 06:29 |
|
chris |
querys some z3950 server(s) and writes the marc to another file |
| 06:29 |
|
chris |
id use ZOOM |
| 06:30 |
|
Lea |
actually, yes this is slightly more complicated |
| 06:30 |
|
Lea |
because I'll have to get the MARC file, copy only those fields I want to keep, then write out the "localised" version |
| 06:30 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 06:31 |
|
Lea |
otherwise it wont import into the framework |
| 06:31 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 06:31 |
|
Lea |
ok, cool man. Looks like I have a busy day :D |
| 06:31 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 06:31 |
|
Lea |
i wonder if there is a zoom library port to python |
| 06:31 |
|
chris |
bound to be |
| 06:31 |
|
chris |
theres one for ruby |
| 06:32 |
|
Lea |
oh, there was one other unrelated question going though my head: I wondered if anyone had integrated koha into Joomla! or any other CMS? |
| 06:32 |
|
chris |
if you like python, you'd like ruby :) |
| 06:32 |
|
chris |
integrated in what way? |
| 06:32 |
|
Lea |
yeah, it's something I'm meaning to look at but I'm in LOVE with python :D |
| 06:32 |
|
chris |
using a cms to publish digital documents then catalogue them with koha? |
| 06:32 |
|
Lea |
yeah |
| 06:32 |
|
chris |
in that case, yep |
| 06:33 |
|
chris |
katipo have done that with our cms |
| 06:33 |
|
Lea |
it's just that for library staff, a CMS is way easier to manage |
| 06:33 |
|
Lea |
ok, did they do integration magic or simply have the koha pages in an iframe? |
| 06:34 |
|
chris |
magic |
| 06:34 |
|
chris |
(i did it :)) |
| 06:35 |
|
chris |
basically you add the document n the cms and then it redirects to koha, passing over info like the url, size, author, title etc |
| 06:35 |
|
Lea |
oh right! do you mind if i ask you what CMS? |
| 06:35 |
|
chris |
one we wrote ourselves years ago |
| 06:35 |
|
chris |
kea |
| 06:35 |
|
Lea |
oh ok |
| 06:35 |
|
chris |
its backended with cvs |
| 06:35 |
|
Lea |
cool! |
| 06:36 |
|
Lea |
so was it a fire and forget from the CMS->Koha or did you get the koha pages to talk back to the CMS? |
| 06:36 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 06:36 |
|
Lea |
http://zoom.z3950.org/bind/python/ :D :D :D |
| 06:36 |
|
chris |
when you deleted it from koha you could delete it from the cms too |
| 06:36 |
|
Lea |
ok |
| 06:38 |
|
chris |
wouldnt be hard to do with something like drupal or joomla |
| 06:38 |
|
Lea |
ok |
| 06:38 |
|
chris |
its all a matter of time |
| 06:38 |
|
Lea |
can you simply call the perl scripts independantly? thus making your own front end? |
| 06:38 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 06:39 |
|
Lea |
I just think Joomla would be an easy way for the library staff to manage notices, opening times, etc |
| 06:39 |
|
chris |
oh that |
| 06:39 |
|
chris |
thats even easier |
| 06:39 |
|
chris |
i was meaning using koha to handle docs and pdf's etc |
| 06:39 |
|
Lea |
no no |
| 06:40 |
|
chris |
all you need to do then |
| 06:40 |
|
Lea |
just using a CMS as an intranet type thing, then integrating koha into that |
| 06:40 |
|
Lea |
but i didn't want EVERYTHING to do with koha inside an iframe |
| 06:40 |
|
chris |
is let the cms control the templates |
| 06:40 |
|
chris |
or at least some files which the templates include |
| 06:40 |
|
Lea |
yeah, that's what I'm asking really. Is there some docs on the input/output params of the perl scripts? |
| 06:41 |
|
chris |
its html |
| 06:41 |
|
chris |
html::template |
| 06:41 |
|
Lea |
ah ok, so with GET/POST variables? |
| 06:41 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 06:42 |
|
Lea |
great stuff. Is there docs on that or am i "using the source"? :D |
| 06:42 |
|
chris |
or just use the cms to edit the templates, dont touch koha |
| 06:42 |
|
Lea |
yeah, i wouldn't |
| 06:43 |
|
Lea |
hey chris, thanks mate. much appreciated. |
| 06:43 |
|
chris |
no worries |
| 06:43 |
|
chris |
now its time for me to go to sleep |
| 06:43 |
|
Lea |
where are you? |
| 06:43 |
|
chris |
new zealand |
| 06:43 |
|
Lea |
ah, yes. I may be moving to Australia soon |
| 06:44 |
|
chris |
bah ... australia :) |
| 06:44 |
|
Lea |
hehe |
| 06:44 |
|
Lea |
i do want to visit NZ though. It's more like home to me |
| 06:44 |
|
Lea |
People say it's a lot like Wales |
| 06:45 |
|
chris |
yep, a little more temperate |
| 06:45 |
|
Lea |
sounds good to me :D |
| 06:45 |
|
Lea |
it would also give me the chance to support a decent rugby team :D :D :D |
| 06:45 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 06:45 |
|
chris |
just dont support australia |
| 06:46 |
|
Lea |
ok, i promise :D |
| 06:46 |
|
chris |
i support 2 teams, nz and anyone playing australia |
| 06:46 |
|
Lea |
ah |
| 06:46 |
|
Lea |
i support 2 teams to |
| 06:46 |
|
chris |
wales and anyone playing england? |
| 06:46 |
|
Lea |
Wales and anyone playing the saxons |
| 06:46 |
|
Lea |
:D |
| 06:47 |
|
Lea |
i really know where you're coming from. Just think if you had to abide by Oz laws and use Oz money! |
| 06:47 |
|
Lea |
them rugby games take on a whole new dimension! |
| 06:47 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 06:48 |
|
chris |
lots of scots or descendants of scots in nz |
| 06:48 |
|
Lea |
ah right |
| 06:49 |
|
chris |
so they say the same thing :) |
| 06:49 |
|
Lea |
yeah, i can imagine. Them lucky gits got their own money and law making powers though :( |
| 06:49 |
|
chris |
yeah only took what 300 years ? :) |
| 06:50 |
|
Lea |
anyway, i'm aware this is OT and I don't _generally_ have any hard feelings. |
| 06:50 |
|
Lea |
(Believe that you'll believe anything!) |
| 06:50 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 06:50 |
|
Lea |
have a good sleep man :D |
| 06:50 |
|
chris |
thanks, good luck |
| 06:50 |
|
chris |
with the marc/z3950 |
| 06:50 |
|
Lea |
i have to sort out a routing issue :( |
| 06:51 |
|
Lea |
i can ping servers but wget is failing on routing :( |
| 06:51 |
|
Lea |
madness |
| 06:51 |
|
Lea |
nn |
| 09:44 |
|
Lea |
if anyone is awake: can i add biblios via the z39 servers? |
| 10:00 |
|
kados |
Lea: morning |
| 10:00 |
|
kados |
Lea: you can use the Z39.50 search integrated into the MARC editor to find records and import them into the editor |
| 10:01 |
|
hdl |
hi kados. |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
hi hld |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
hdl even :-) |
| 10:03 |
|
Lea |
hi kados |
| 10:04 |
|
Lea |
I'll give it a go |
| 10:04 |
|
Lea |
Under biblio framework? |
| 10:06 |
|
Lea |
kados: are you saying you need to have the marc record already? i'm confused |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
Lea: there's an integrated MARC editor in koha, haven't you seen that? |
| 10:09 |
|
Lea |
yes, however you need the marc record to exist first. What I'm looking for is pulling in records via the z39 server. I can script this with books as they have a unique ISBN, but video/music items will have to be searched on title, producing lots of results. I wondered if there was an "online importer" in koha |
| 10:09 |
|
kados |
Lea: you don't need the marc record to exist first to use the marc editor |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
Lea: koha.liblime.com -> click on 'MARC Editor' -> type something in the ISBN and click 'Z39.50 Search' at the top |
| 10:10 |
|
Lea |
ah ok. I'll try it |
| 10:10 |
|
Lea |
i didn't notice the editor in the menus |
| 10:11 |
|
Lea |
ie, it's not there. I can only access after a search |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
? |
| 10:11 |
|
Lea |
ah, superb! |
| 10:12 |
|
Lea |
add biblio->empty biblio gets me ther |
| 10:13 |
|
Lea |
i wonder if there is a z39 server for media |
| 10:14 |
|
Lea |
ah, amazon :D |
| 10:28 |
|
kados |
hdl: now I'm having strange cvs probs |
| 10:28 |
|
kados |
hdl: I reverted search.pl but it won' let me commit :( |
| 10:31 |
|
kados |
hdl: yea, it doesn't let me commit, exits with no error |
| 10:31 |
|
kados |
I did: |
| 10:31 |
|
kados |
cvs update -j 1.3.2.14 -j 1.3.2.15 search.pl |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
which reverted the version |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
then I did: |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
mv search.pl /new/repo/koha/z3950/search.pl |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
cd /new/repo/koha/z3950 |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
cvs commit search.pl |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
hdl: any ideas? |
| 10:34 |
|
hdl |
Changing forge again ? :D |
| 10:34 |
|
kados |
ok, this time it worked |
| 10:34 |
|
hdl |
Good. |
| 10:34 |
|
kados |
I'll document how I did it on koha-devel |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
hdl: it still works strangely for me |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
hdl: now I'm using the reverted search.pl and searchresult.tmpl from default |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
hdl: a title search on tom sawyer returns strange results |
| 10:40 |
|
hdl |
Can you give some more information ? |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
sure |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
target is LOC |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
results I get back are: |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
10 days to a more powerful vocabulary / |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
10 minute guide to selling (just about) anything / |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
10 minute guide to time management / |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
etc |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
title is reported as 'tom' with awarn |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
when I warn I mean |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
so both terms aren't captured |
| 10:42 |
|
hdl |
only the firs term is taken ? |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 10:42 |
|
hdl |
Should have been corrected. |
| 10:44 |
|
kados |
strange |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
cvs seems to have a prob |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
hdl: do you see my commit message? |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
hdl: it's not linked to rel_2_2 tag! |
| 10:46 |
|
hdl |
yes :( |
| 10:46 |
|
kados |
savannah-- |
| 10:46 |
|
kados |
unless I committed wrong |
| 10:46 |
|
kados |
perhaps my cvs -A changed the branch to HEAD |
| 10:47 |
|
kados |
Entries has no tag |
| 10:47 |
|
kados |
:( |
| 10:47 |
|
kados |
wtf! |
| 10:50 |
|
kados |
hdl: I need to go to the office (still at home) |
| 10:50 |
|
hdl |
be careful on the roads. |
| 10:50 |
|
kados |
hdl: I tried manually copying the reverted search.pl into my install and it still has the same prob |
| 10:50 |
|
kados |
hdl: so I'm not sure cvs update -j 1.3.2.14 -j 1.3.2.15 search.pl actually worked |
| 10:51 |
|
hdl |
I shall revert the file. |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
hdl: thx, and sorry |
| 10:51 |
|
hdl |
No problem |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
hdl: can you tell koha-devel how you did it ? |
| 10:51 |
|
hdl |
ok |
| 10:56 |
|
hdl |
paul is 4 times' DADDY |
| 10:57 |
|
hdl |
Matthieu was borne yesterday morning at 11 am (Church Time in France :D ) |
| 10:57 |
|
hdl |
He weighted 3kg500 |
