| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 19:22 |
|
waylon |
hiya all. |
| 19:22 |
|
waylon |
Chris, you awake? |
| 19:30 |
|
tnb |
chris: ? |
| 19:38 |
|
rch |
chris: you're a popular guy :) |
| 19:41 |
|
tnb |
ha! |
| 19:41 |
|
tnb |
hi rch |
| 19:42 |
|
tnb |
i'm trying to figure out what we know about the south american koha users |
| 19:42 |
|
tnb |
are their developers actively involved with the rest of the community? |
| 19:42 |
|
tnb |
do you know anything about that? ;) |
| 19:51 |
|
rch |
i think some brazilian developer(s) branched around 2.0 and have their own version ? |
| 19:51 |
|
rch |
don't know any details. |
| 19:51 |
|
waylon |
btw.... just love telling people..... i managed to get koha working on a totally free webhost, with no support from them. no virtual host editing... nothing. |
| 19:53 |
|
rch |
waylon: impressive :) |
| 19:53 |
|
waylon |
once i worked out what needed changing... the changes took 30 seconds, due to find and xarg. |
| 19:55 |
|
waylon |
creating the database, and importing my mysql data took abit of time, due to my mysqldump being 5 mb.. and them only allowing a 2mb dump file at once.... that and my database wasn't set up quite right.... so i used koha.mysql to set up,, and got all the insert lines from my dump, for data. |
| 19:55 |
|
waylon |
no shell access.. used phpmysql thing..... |
| 19:56 |
|
rch |
waylon: feel free to write up a mini-howto for inclusion on kohadocs if it'd be useful for others :) |
| 19:57 |
|
waylon |
will do. currently, writing a Koha V.s. Access IT Library comparison. |
| 19:58 |
|
waylon |
is there a list of libaries using Koha somewhere? |
| 19:59 |
|
rch |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers |
| 20:01 |
|
waylon |
know anything about Access IT Library software? |
| 20:04 |
|
rch |
no... you're using it currently? |
| 20:04 |
|
waylon |
Theosophical Society of New Zealand are proposing to use it, instead of Koha. |
| 20:13 |
|
rch |
you'll be recommending Koha, I hope? :) |
| 20:13 |
|
waylon |
Im a Koha nut. Its a religion. Opensource vs. The box of propietary software. |
| 20:13 |
|
tnb |
waylon: there is a much more comprehensive list of Koha users at http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]D=&auth=&code=lwc |
| 20:14 |
|
tnb |
it is a long url, i know ;) |
| 20:14 |
|
tnb |
but it is a U.S. technology guide and if you search under "current automation" Koha |
| 20:14 |
|
waylon |
tnb: umm.... i think the previous link is convincing enough. |
| 20:14 |
|
tnb |
you can pull a more comprehensive list |
| 20:14 |
|
waylon |
think theres over a hunderd libraries eh? |
| 20:14 |
|
tnb |
ok, then :) never mind :) |
| 20:15 |
|
tnb |
oh, yeah, and we are still finding them and adding them to the list |
| 20:15 |
|
tnb |
soon, we will have a "Koha World Map" in place that will be more comprehensive than the wiki listing |
| 20:19 |
|
waylon |
126 libraries... cool. |
| 20:20 |
|
waylon |
does it count branches of a library as one library? |
| 20:22 |
|
waylon |
nope... it counts branches as a nother item. |
| 20:22 |
|
tnb |
some branches are listed separately, others are not yet. But yes, it will count the branches separately if they are listed |
| 20:23 |
|
waylon |
do we have a developers list somewhere? |
| 20:25 |
|
tnb |
the developers mailing list is a good place to start: http://koha.org/support/free.html |
| 20:26 |
|
tnb |
also many of those contacts listed on the users wiki link |
| 20:26 |
|
tnb |
that rch posted are regular developers |
| 20:27 |
|
waylon |
could you highlight which ones are developers, and which ones are just users? |
| 20:27 |
|
tnb |
I'm not a programmer myself ;) so there could be a secret list somewhere i don't know about ;) |
| 20:27 |
|
tnb |
I think someone (like rch if he is still around or chris) would be better equipped to answer that |
| 20:30 |
|
waylon |
hiya paul! |
| 20:30 |
|
tnb |
paul: hi :) |
| 20:30 |
|
tnb |
i have a quick question for you :) |
| 20:31 |
|
waylon |
624 seconds to be exact. |
| 20:31 |
|
tnb |
Was wondering what you know about the guys who implemented the South American Koha installationsn |
| 20:31 |
|
tnb |
oh, yeah? He's been having problems tonight huh? |
| 20:31 |
|
tnb |
or, whatever time of the day it is there :) |
| 20:35 |
|
waylon |
hes been having problems the last couple of days.. sad really. hes really good! |
| 20:40 |
|
waylon |
noticed.... koha has alot of developers, any of which canbe contacted for advice. Access IT Library software, on the other hand, has one contact phone number per country. |
| 20:53 |
|
tnb |
waylon :) Yes, Koha has a strong community |
| 02:10 |
|
manu |
hello |
| 02:10 |
|
dewey |
niihau, manu |
| 02:10 |
|
manu |
hello |
| 02:10 |
|
manu |
how do u make |
| 02:11 |
|
manu |
Koha windows Virgin not stand Alown |
| 02:12 |
|
manu |
so i can make the intranet so i can use outside the Library |
| 02:13 |
|
manu |
hello is anyone here |
| 02:15 |
|
manu |
ello |
| 02:16 |
|
manu |
hello |
| 02:16 |
|
dewey |
hola, manu |
| 02:16 |
|
manu |
can i have some help |
| 02:16 |
|
manu |
please |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
hi bruno |
| 06:32 |
|
Lea |
goodmorning #koha |
| 06:37 |
|
btoumi |
hi all |
| 07:16 |
|
chris |
hi lea and bruno |
| 07:17 |
|
Lea |
hi |
| 07:17 |
|
dewey |
privet, Lea |
| 07:18 |
|
chris |
have we talked before lea? |
| 07:18 |
|
Lea |
yes :) |
| 07:18 |
|
chris |
ahh cool, (bad memory :)) |
| 07:18 |
|
Lea |
i was moaning about how i, a sysadmin, must know in detail about the marc21 format and how i had to fix vendors poorly exported data :D |
| 07:19 |
|
chris |
ahhh right, that rings a bell |
| 07:19 |
|
Lea |
Looks like we may indeed be going with Koha, although the senior librarian wants to try evergreen too |
| 07:19 |
|
Lea |
my money is on Koha ;) |
| 07:19 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 07:19 |
|
chris |
evergreen is nice, but is designed for seriously huge libraries |
| 07:20 |
|
Lea |
Looks like there may be a couple of features that aren't in koha tho |
| 07:20 |
|
Lea |
stupid little things |
| 07:20 |
|
chris |
be a good opportunity to get them in, thats how Koha grows, people want things that arent there |
| 07:21 |
|
Lea |
yes, thing is, I want any effort to be co-ordinated as I dont want to tread on people's toes nor write something without fitting in to the long-term plan. |
| 07:21 |
|
chris |
sounds good to me |
| 07:22 |
|
Lea |
also, if I'm going to have to write perl again (argh!!!!), then I need to know the effort is going to make a difference |
| 07:22 |
|
chris |
its pretty impossible to tread on our toes :) we are easygoing, but yes it makes sense to not duplicate effort |
| 07:23 |
|
Lea |
the plugins is a good idea, shame i wont be able to hook in python mods :( |
| 07:24 |
|
chris |
why not? |
| 07:24 |
|
chris |
i have some ruby code that plays nice with koha |
| 07:25 |
|
Lea |
ooh. How does the plugin stuff work? |
| 07:25 |
|
chris |
its quite easy for koha 3 |
| 07:25 |
|
Lea |
svn? |
| 07:25 |
|
chris |
and the dev_week koha |
| 07:25 |
|
chris |
the contribs site? |
| 07:26 |
|
Lea |
no i mean, is Koha 3 right now the same as koha svn |
| 07:26 |
|
chris |
rel_3 yep (cvs, not svn yet until savannah supports svn) |
| 07:27 |
|
Lea |
ie, is it worth me installing svn rather than 2.2.7 |
| 07:27 |
|
chris |
not sure how hard that would be, but you could check out the dev_week cvs branch |
| 07:27 |
|
chris |
it works with zebra |
| 07:27 |
|
Lea |
ok. Are you saying that extending 2.2.7 with python will be very hard but not with the cvs version? |
| 07:28 |
|
chris |
and is production in a couple of libraries, what will become 3.0 is in production in bruno's library |
| 07:28 |
|
Lea |
ah ok, it's that stable? Excellent |
| 07:28 |
|
chris |
what makes it easier |
| 07:28 |
|
chris |
is zebra |
| 07:29 |
|
chris |
so koha use Net::Zoom |
| 07:29 |
|
chris |
you could you ruby_zoom |
| 07:29 |
|
Lea |
ah, i see, is zebra like a backend that koha sits on, so plugins talk to zebra rather than koha? |
| 07:29 |
|
chris |
or if there is python zoom (z3950) module |
| 07:29 |
|
chris |
thats right |
| 07:30 |
|
Lea |
excellent! But what about things like holidays, general prefs, extending the UI? |
| 07:30 |
|
Lea |
that doesn't go through zebra right? |
| 07:30 |
|
chris |
nope |
| 07:30 |
|
chris |
but any language that can talk to a rdbms |
| 07:30 |
|
chris |
can do that :) |
| 07:30 |
|
chris |
its all in mysql (or whatever db) |
| 07:31 |
|
Lea |
right, ok, I appologise for the noob questions, but am I right in thinking that the perl code is just front end stuff, hooking in to mysql to save prefs and hooking into zebra for searches? Perl is just a presentation layer? |
| 07:32 |
|
chris |
well it does a bunch of logic too, but most of that logic is formulating sql queries and/or (from 2.4 onwards) zebra calls |
| 07:32 |
|
chris |
and then handling the results |
| 07:32 |
|
Lea |
of course. |
| 07:32 |
|
Lea |
so how do the plugins fit in? |
| 07:33 |
|
chris |
the only plugins we have now, are for use in the MARC editor |
| 07:33 |
|
chris |
i thought you were talking about http://contribs.koha.org/ |
| 07:33 |
|
Lea |
i mean, how (technically) do they fit in? |
| 07:34 |
|
Lea |
yeah, i am :) |
| 07:34 |
|
chris |
however you want them to |
| 07:34 |
|
chris |
ie, contribs is for user contributed code |
| 07:34 |
|
chris |
it can interface with Koha in whatever way the author sees fit |
| 07:35 |
|
chris |
so ull see there, there is some perl, some php |
| 07:35 |
|
chris |
a whooping pile of javascript |
| 07:35 |
|
chris |
(the libx toolbar down the bottom( |
| 07:35 |
|
Lea |
ok, so these extensions are simply isolated bits of code that somehow get called from Koha? |
| 07:36 |
|
Lea |
it's that hooking in that eludes me |
| 07:36 |
|
chris |
<a href="some bit of code"> :) |
| 07:37 |
|
chris |
its just a big web site really |
| 07:37 |
|
chris |
(Koha that is) |
| 07:37 |
|
Lea |
right ok, so scripts would be run via http. |
| 07:37 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 07:37 |
|
Lea |
so, you'd need mod_<yourlang> installed |
| 07:37 |
|
chris |
hmm not if you ran them as a cgi |
| 07:38 |
|
Lea |
weird, I'd never even thought of that. mod_* must have benefits. Speed? |
| 07:38 |
|
chris |
yep, persistance and speed |
| 07:39 |
|
chris |
ie you can use persistent database caching etc |
| 07:39 |
|
Lea |
hmm.. forking an interpreter can't be nice :) |
| 07:39 |
|
chris |
but you can just do it the old fashioned way |
| 07:39 |
|
chris |
as cgi |
| 07:39 |
|
Lea |
ok, sounds good |
| 07:39 |
|
chris |
the other thing people might want to write |
| 07:40 |
|
chris |
is a nicer script (more exstensible) for calculating overdues/fines |
| 07:40 |
|
Lea |
presumably, in perl, can you call the cgi and capture the output, so you can format the results inside the webpage, rather than have the script generate the html? |
| 07:40 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 07:40 |
|
Lea |
good :) |
| 07:40 |
|
chris |
we use HTML::Template |
| 07:41 |
|
Lea |
ok. Something I need to write is an easy way to add random closed days so they dont affect lates |
| 07:41 |
|
chris |
ahh been done :) |
| 07:41 |
|
Lea |
really? |
| 07:41 |
|
Lea |
damnit, where can i get this info? :) |
| 07:41 |
|
chris |
yep, mason is in the process of committing it to rel_2_2 |
| 07:42 |
|
chris |
but its in rel_3_0 |
| 07:42 |
|
chris |
2 secs |
| 07:42 |
|
Lea |
ok, cool! :) I'm waiting for the senior librarian to send me a report on what appears to be missing from Koha or what needs changing, so once i get that i can get to work. |
| 07:43 |
|
Lea |
afk |
| 07:44 |
|
chris |
ok, i have to go to bed nearly midnight here |
| 07:45 |
|
chris |
ill catch ya later |
| 07:47 |
|
Lea |
whoah! |
| 07:47 |
|
Lea |
ok, thanks Chris! :) |
| 07:54 |
|
waylon |
hello all! |
| 08:13 |
|
Lea |
hi! |
| 08:13 |
|
waylon |
ah.. a new developer? |
| 08:13 |
|
Lea |
am i the only one who gets apache hassles? :( |
| 08:14 |
|
waylon |
whatsyour hassles? |
| 08:14 |
|
Lea |
ho waylon, er... kinda. Just testing the system right now but I'll be coding some stuff for sure if we go for it |
| 08:14 |
|
Lea |
*hi :/ |
| 08:14 |
|
Lea |
hassles is that apache doesn't seem to like the /cgi-bin/koha script alias |
| 08:15 |
|
waylon |
got the alias module loaded? |
| 08:16 |
|
Lea |
good point ;) not only is it not loaded, doesn't look like it's installed! |
| 08:17 |
|
Lea |
hey! It's before my 4th coffee, what do you expect? ;) |
| 08:17 |
|
Lea |
I'd love if koha used the same perl module that webmin did |
| 08:18 |
|
waylon |
Had to deal with a free webhost who couldn't be bothered adding a few lines to httpd.conf. |
| 08:18 |
|
Lea |
heh |
| 08:18 |
|
waylon |
did a find - xarg line to add use lib's, and had a real cgi-bin/koha directory... intranet works so far.. |
| 08:19 |
|
Lea |
cool |
| 08:19 |
|
waylon |
should be in the apache2/modules directory. |
| 08:20 |
|
waylon |
never installed alias module under linux yet. |
| 08:21 |
|
Lea |
nope nothing. However, checking some apache2 tutorials (WRT ubuntu) don't mention installing mod_alias |
| 08:22 |
|
waylon |
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2[…]od/mod_alias.html |
| 08:24 |
|
waylon |
http://webdesign.about.com/cs/[…]installapache.htm |
| 08:28 |
|
Lea |
yes, mod_alias is compiled in on the ubuntu version, so it's not that... hm... |
| 08:29 |
|
Lea |
apache2 -l is my friend :) |
| 08:30 |
|
waylon |
okay. im a fraid i gotta go to sleep. goodto have ya around, Lea. |
| 08:31 |
|
Lea |
take care |
| 08:31 |
|
Lea |
tthanks |
