IRC log for #koha, 2006-12-14

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11:32 owen toins, are you still there?
11:32 toins owen, yep
11:33 owen Are you familiar with acquisitions?
11:33 kados hehe
11:33 kados hi guys
11:33 toins hi kados
11:34 toins owen, what 's your problem with acquisition ?
11:34 kados toins: you may want to see the few commits Ryan and I have made to dev_week, cleaning up a couple of minor bugs
11:34 owen I'm curious about the screen that shows "Receive a new Parcel"
11:34 owen Parcel Code and Freight.
11:35 owen What values should be entered there?
11:35 toins kados, ok
11:35 hdl kados : what about mod_perl problems ?
11:36 kados hdl: mod_perl probs?
11:36 hdl Do you have mod_perl installations  running ?
11:36 toins kados, is npl under mod_perl ?
11:36 toins CAN seems to have some mod_perl specific bugs
11:37 kados npl is running mod_perl ... what bugs?
11:41 hdl for, and
11:42 hdl Do you use shelves module ?
11:43 kados yep
11:44 kados what are the bugs?
11:44 kados but not sure ...
11:44 toins kados, yes perhaps
11:44 hdl in rel_2_2 it crashes FF.
11:44 kados hdl: mod_perl ?
11:45 hdl yes
11:45 hdl owen : Parcel Code is a code you enter in order to retrieve easily the parcel. Could be the parcel # from bookseller, could be any code you want.
11:45 hdl owen : Freight is for freight fees.
11:49 owen Okay, that's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure
11:51 kados hi tumer
11:51 dewey it has been said that hi tumer is still strugling
11:51 kados tumer: hdl and I were wondering if you have been working on XSLT stuff? :-)
11:52 hdl hi tumer.
11:52 dewey i think hi tumer is still strugling
11:52 hdl dewey : forget hi tumer
11:52 dewey hdl: I forgot hi tumer
11:52 toins hi tumer
11:52 hdl dewey : forget tumer
11:52 dewey hdl, I didn't have anything matching tumer
11:53 tumer kados: i tried that once when i was doing metakoha records
11:53 tumer used xml-libxslt ;impressive
11:53 hdl was it slow ?
11:54 tumer but need lots of xslt knowledge to define sheets so i left it
11:54 tumer hdl:it was fast
11:55 tumer you gain speed by not converting xml to koha perl hashes anyway
11:59 hdl Do you still use your metakoha record ?
12:07 toins kados, do you use a specific configuration for mod_perl ? Or a configuration like writed on the wiki ?
12:09 toins
12:12 tumer_ to whom it may is not readable with IE. The left menu covers the documents and its frustating!
12:12 kados toins: which wiki page?
12:12 kados toins: I can compare to NPL's config
12:13 toins this =>
12:15 owen What does it mean, on, "(that all costs are for 1 item)" ?
12:15 kados toins: is not included
12:16 kados and it looks like the handlers are commented out currently
12:16 toins ah ? and so you defined the PERL5LIB in the virtual host ?
12:16 kados I have:
12:16 kados  <Directory /koha/opac/cgi-bin/>
12:16 kados   PerlSetEnv PERL5LIB "/koha/intranet/modules"
12:16 kados   PerlSetEnv KOHA_CONF "/koha/etc/koha.xml"
12:16 kados  </Directory>
12:16 kados for the OPAC
12:17 toins ok thanks
12:19 toins kados, and where do you writed your koha is under mod_perl ??
12:20 hdl back
12:20 kados toins: originally I had it in perl.conf file ... but I see it is commented out currently
12:21 kados toins: so mod_perl is enabled, but Koha doesn't use it currently (but it looks like I did test it, so I'm not sure why it's not being used)
12:24 toins hum...
12:27 toins so we can't know if there are some mod_perl bugs in the npl installation...
12:29 kados toins: right ... sorry :(
12:30 toins kados, no problem...
12:30 kados maybe I panicked at the last moment and turned it off just in case :-)
12:30 kados (the migration was done in a hurry as you recall)
12:31 paul_ kados : (hello) what sounds strange to me is that SAN-OP did some harness testing today and :
12:32 paul_ - with mod_perl activated, they have big problems (like editing a page works only 1 every 2 times)
12:32 paul_ - without mod_perl, they have awful performances (really : 20s to get a page)
12:33 paul could you send me your NPL apache config files (all of them) to see if I can explain why response times are so nightmare ?
12:33 paul hi tumer
12:33 tumer hi paul
14:01 owen kados?
14:01 dewey kados is becoming a true Perl Monger...
14:01 kados hey owen
14:01 kados dewey: forget kados
14:01 dewey kados: I forgot kados
14:02 kados owen: looks like you committed a fix to the acquisitions, eh?
14:02 kados shall I test it out?
14:02 owen Yeah, hopefully it's working now.
14:07 kados owen: looks like it's working!
14:07 kados I'll update dev_week and get SMFPL to test it out
14:07 kados owen: thanks!
14:07 owen Sure thing.
14:07 owen And I answered my own question, so I don't have anything to ask you :)
14:07 kados hehe, cool
14:08 paul kados : we face a very very strange problem with mod_perl...
14:08 kados paul: what's that?
14:08 paul a few script are failing miserabily : / for example
14:08 paul the 1st time you call them, it works, the 2nd time it may works, then, empty forms...
14:09 paul the db handler seems to have "disappeared", or returns nothing at all.
14:09 kados have you tested dev_week?
14:09 paul but we have strictly no errors.
14:09 paul nope
14:09 toins kados, dev_week is the same thing
14:09 kados circ does some tricky stuff
14:09 kados I suspect there are some problems with the way it's written (not mod_perl safe)
14:10 toins circulation shelves & don't work with mod_perl on rel_3_0 and on dev_week
14:10 paul can you explain why SANOP has so bad perfs without mod_perl and NPL didn't ?
14:10 toins kados, on this 3 script there are some internal sub
14:10 paul because the server is quite a good one.
14:10 toins it may be the problem
14:11 kados paul: so without mod_perl it seems slow?
14:11 paul no, it IS slow
14:11 kados hmmm
14:11 paul (like 20/30 seconds to get a page)
14:11 kados does rel_3 have Date::Manip ?
14:12 paul (under medium load : 30 persons testing it.
14:12 kados very strange
14:12 paul in circulation => toins cleaned D::M
14:12 kados is my.cnf optimized to handle query cacheing?
14:13 kados here are NPL's settings:
14:13 kados # 25-33% of memory changed by JF
14:13 kados key_buffer          = 1G
14:13 kados max_allowed_packet  = 16M
14:13 kados thread_stack        = 128K
14:13 kados thread_cache        = 8
14:13 kados # Try number of CPU's*2 for thread_concurrency
14:13 kados thread_concurrency  = 2
14:13 kados # was 128
14:13 kados tmp_table_size      = 256M
14:13 kados table_cache         = 512
14:13 kados sort_buffer_size    = 2M
14:13 kados record_buffer       = 2M
14:13 kados query_cache_limit       = 5M
14:13 kados query_cache_size        = 128M
14:13 kados query_cache_type        = 1
14:14 kados also, try logging slow queries:
14:14 kados log_slow_queries    = /var/log/mysql-slow-queries.log
14:14 kados long_query_time     = 1
14:14 kados (means log all queries that take longer than 1 sec)
14:14 kados and try to find out if the bottleneck is in perl or in mysql
14:14 kados you can use mytop to see active mysql processes
14:14 kados those are some of my ideas :-)
14:17 paul kados : could you copy your apache config as well ?
14:23 kados yep
14:23 kados I use apache2 conventions for apache conf
14:24 kados so it is split between several files
14:24 kados in ports.conf I have
14:24 kados Listen 80
14:24 kados and
14:24 kados NameVirtualHost
14:24 kados NameVirtualHost
14:24 kados then in sites-enabled/ I have two conf files:
14:24 kados
14:24 kados
14:25 kados paul: I will email you those files
14:26 paul kados & alaurin : do you have apache2 or apache1 ?
14:26 kados paul: mailed
14:26 alaurin we have apache 2
14:27 paul kados : i was interested by httpd.conf
14:27 kados why?
14:27 paul to find any diff between SAN & NPL
14:28 paul in apache core config
14:28 kados ahh, ok
14:28 kados it's just debian standard
14:28 kados I'll email it to you
14:28 kados it's broken into sections, so the mods aren't in the apache2.conf proper
14:28 toins kados, the most import file is site-enables/default
14:29 kados but are in their dirs
14:29 toins sites-enabled/000-default
14:30 kados toins: mailed to paul
14:30 toins ok
14:30 kados so now you should have all the conf files
14:30 kados what distro do you run on?
14:30 paul mandriva for me & SANOP
14:30 paul ubuntu for toins
14:30 kados we use debian sarge
14:30 paul I have to leave now. see you tomorrow for the 2nd part of this story ;-)
14:31 kados ok, have a good night :-)
14:31 toins bye all too
17:04 pecisk hi guys, I have question again - how one can localise Koha for his local language?
17:10 chris pecisk
17:10 chris[…]/translation.html
17:10 chris if there isnt already a set of templates in your language, you can use this guide to make one
17:11 pecisk thanks :)
17:20 pecisk chris: question, do you use UTF-8 or something else in Koha?
17:21 pecisk in which encoding those po files should be?
17:24 chris utf8
17:24 pecisk ahhh, cool
17:30 pecisk chris: I get Can't locate Locale/ in @INC error when launching that generation script, what CPAN thingy I need?
17:31 chris ah ha
17:31 chris i think Locale::PO
17:32 pecisk ok, that it is what I thought
17:32 pecisk thanks
17:37 pecisk hmmm, it says Create FAILED at the end of issued command like in document
17:37 pecisk without futher details
17:38 chris hmm
17:39 chris[…]fo/koha-translate
17:39 chris might be the place to ask
17:39 pecisk
17:39 pecisk ok, I will do
19:43 pecisk Anyone here? if someone would like to buy Koha eq. commercial software, how much he should spend? 3000$? 2000$?
19:44 chris to pa for something that has the same functionality as Koha?
19:45 chris like sirsidynix horizons ...or liberty3 ?
19:46 chris you wouldnt be payng less than 40k id imagine
19:46 chris kados would know better
19:46 chris you can get things like dbtextworks for around 2000$ but they have no where near the features koha does
19:50 pecisk Jesus Christ :)
19:50 chris 40k is cheap too
19:50 chris some will cost over 200k
19:52 russ i know one system that cost over $500k to deploy
19:55 pecisk :)
04:59 btoumi hi all
10:42 owen kados?
10:43 paul hi owen.
10:43 owen Hi paul
10:44 paul our mod_perl problem is (at least partially) solved
10:44 owen This was with rel_3_0 ?
10:54 paul yep
10:54 paul see the last 2 commits from toins

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