| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
LAURIN arnaud around? |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
paul_away: can we get in touch with LAURIN arnaud on chat? |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
hdl: ? |
| 18:18 |
|
hdl |
kados ? |
| 18:18 |
|
dewey |
kados is probably becoming a true Perl Monger... |
| 18:18 |
|
kados |
hi hdl ... |
| 18:19 |
|
kados |
I was wondering how I can get in touch with arnaud |
| 18:19 |
|
kados |
he uncommented the zebraop in Biblio.pm |
| 18:19 |
|
hdl |
Only when day time in France |
| 18:19 |
|
kados |
but it's causing some big problems and we need to fix them IMO |
| 18:20 |
|
kados |
ok ... does he hang out on IRC? |
| 18:20 |
|
chris |
yep hes on irc quite often kados |
| 18:20 |
|
chris |
alaurin is his nick |
| 18:21 |
|
chris |
usually he and bruno (btuomi) are on |
| 18:29 |
|
milo93 |
hi all |
| 18:30 |
|
milo93 |
ciao chris |
| 18:30 |
|
chris |
hi milo |
| 18:30 |
|
milo93 |
:) |
| 18:30 |
|
milo93 |
great you are there |
| 18:31 |
|
milo93 |
I have a little prob here |
| 18:31 |
|
chris |
sup? |
| 18:32 |
|
milo93 |
plainly I can't see default framework |
| 18:32 |
|
milo93 |
marc tag structure |
| 18:32 |
|
milo93 |
it's empty |
| 18:32 |
|
chris |
hmm sounds to me like it didnt get installed |
| 18:33 |
|
milo93 |
well that's strange because I have a complete Add Biblio Unimarc template |
| 18:33 |
|
milo93 |
and Marc check DB is ok with Unimarc fields in it |
| 18:33 |
|
chris |
ahh you are using unimarc? |
| 18:33 |
|
chris |
then i have no idea :) |
| 18:33 |
|
milo93 |
yep |
| 18:34 |
|
chris |
hdl might know if hes still awake |
| 18:34 |
|
milo93 |
you think that would make a difference |
| 18:34 |
|
hdl |
yes |
| 18:34 |
|
milo93 |
hi hdl |
| 18:35 |
|
milo93 |
I mean is that related to unimarc? i thought something about framework code .. |
| 18:36 |
|
hdl |
Do you have phpmyadmin on this machine. |
| 18:36 |
|
milo93 |
no I don't |
| 18:36 |
|
hdl |
can you launch mysql -u kohaadmin -p |
| 18:36 |
|
hdl |
\u Koha |
| 18:36 |
|
milo93 |
about MySQL I used a couple of times SQLyog |
| 18:37 |
|
hdl |
then select * from marc_tag_structure; |
| 18:37 |
|
hdl |
select * from marc_subfield_structure; |
| 18:39 |
|
hdl |
If it returns *some* records (marc_subfield_structure about 1016 ) then you DO have marc structure installed. |
| 18:39 |
|
hdl |
Otherwise, you should Re-Import marc structure. |
| 18:39 |
|
hdl |
Mysql --version ? |
| 18:39 |
|
hdl |
OS Type ? Version ? |
| 18:39 |
|
milo93 |
4.1.11 |
| 18:41 |
|
milo93 |
Debian_4sarge7 |
| 18:42 |
|
milo93 |
access denied |
| 18:43 |
|
milo93 |
\u Koha doesn't work |
| 18:59 |
|
milo93 |
ok! |
| 18:59 |
|
milo93 |
I have the tables in my database |
| 19:00 |
|
milo93 |
now how do i select * from marc_tag_structure? |
| 19:02 |
|
milo93 |
ok I did it |
| 19:02 |
|
milo93 |
and it's empty |
| 19:03 |
|
milo93 |
so I have to Re-Import |
| 19:07 |
|
milo93 |
do you think that unimarc_fr is better? |
| 19:16 |
|
indradg |
chris: ping! |
| 19:16 |
|
chris |
hi indradg, ltns |
| 19:16 |
|
indradg |
chris: yep! was away from Koha for almost an year... now back again.. this time have managed to learn perl :) |
| 19:17 |
|
chris |
hehe excellent |
| 19:22 |
|
indradg |
chris: i was going over the installation I did at WBUT... its running v 2.2.5... i'm noticing a few quirky errors |
| 19:22 |
|
chris |
probably your best bet is to upgrade to 2.2.7 it has lots of bugfixes since 2.2.5 |
| 19:23 |
|
indradg |
u r prolly right |
| 19:23 |
|
kados |
hey indradg |
| 19:23 |
|
kados |
good to see you |
| 19:23 |
|
indradg |
kados: yep back again for good |
| 19:25 |
|
indradg |
chris: i understand the relational mapping between biblio, biblioitems and items tables... but i'm a little confused about these vis-a-vis the mapping with marc_biblio table |
| 19:26 |
|
chris |
biblio -> marc_biblio via biblionumber |
| 19:26 |
|
indradg |
chris: righto! |
| 19:26 |
|
chris |
marc_biblio -> marc_word via bibid |
| 19:27 |
|
indradg |
but is there a 1:1 mapping between marc_biblio.bibid and biblio.biblionumber ? |
| 19:27 |
|
chris |
marc_biblio -> marc_subfield_table via bibid also |
| 19:27 |
|
chris |
marc_biblio.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber 1 to 1 |
| 19:27 |
|
indradg |
hmmmm |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
you should only have one row in marc_biblio per row in biblio |
| 19:28 |
|
indradg |
so i thought as well |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
select count(*) from marc_biblio; |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
+----------+ |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
| count(*) | |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
+----------+ |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
| 9040 | |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
+----------+ |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
select count(*) from biblio; |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
+----------+ |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
| count(*) | |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
+----------+ |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
| 9040 | |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
+----------+ |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
its possible they can get out of sync tho id imagine |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
the marc support in 2.2.x is a little dicey sometimes |
| 19:30 |
|
indradg |
e.g in this case SELECT MAX(`bibid`) FROM `marc_biblio` is giving 3923 whereas SELECT MAX(`biblionumber`) FROM `marc_biblio` is giving me 3920 :( |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
yes |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
bibid <> biblionumber |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
biblionumber = biblionumber |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
bibid is different |
| 19:31 |
|
indradg |
the typical problems are like when I check for a barcode from items table its there.... but not so in the 952p subfield in marc_* table |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
try select max(biblionumber) from marc_biblio; |
| 19:32 |
|
indradg |
i did |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
marc_biblio is a table for mapping biblionumber to bibid |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
waht does that give you? |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
select max(biblionumber) from marc_biblio; |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
+-------------------+ |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
| max(biblionumber) | |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
+-------------------+ |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
| 9040 | |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
+-------------------+ |
| 19:32 |
|
indradg |
3920 |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
select max(biblionumber) from biblio; |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
+-------------------+ |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
| max(biblionumber) | |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
+-------------------+ |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
| 9040 | |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
+-------------------+ |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
yep thats right |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
it doesnt matter if bibid does not equal biblionumber |
| 19:33 |
|
indradg |
ok |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
as long as biblionumber in biblio = biblionumber in marc_biblio |
| 19:34 |
|
indradg |
ok |
| 19:34 |
|
indradg |
got it |
| 19:34 |
|
chris |
so if its there in items, but not in marc_subfield_table .. id check your koha2marc links |
| 19:35 |
|
chris |
i seem to remember a lot of marc fixes done between 2.2.5 and 2.2.7 though, so an upgrade wont hurt :) |
| 19:37 |
|
indradg |
chris: thanks! |
| 20:04 |
|
milo93 |
hdl ... are you still there? |
| 21:55 |
|
thd |
indrag: are you there? |
| 22:00 |
|
thd |
indradg: are you present? |
| 22:31 |
|
thd |
hello tumer |
| 22:31 |
|
thd |
tumer: Is that really you? |
| 22:31 |
|
tumer |
hi thd ? long time no see? |
| 22:32 |
|
thd |
tumer: I have a question about configuration of a Turkish Z39.50 site |
| 22:32 |
|
tumer |
yes? |
| 22:34 |
|
thd |
tumer: 212.98.201.33:210/INNOPAC|no|MARC 21|MARC 21|MARC 21|Sabanci Üníversítesí, SABAN |
| 22:35 |
|
thd |
that server does not work for me |
| 22:35 |
|
tumer |
let me check |
| 22:37 |
|
tumer |
the Z39.50 server is on RISC01.SABANCIUNIV.EDU:210 and database is INNOPAC |
| 22:37 |
|
thd |
tumer: that is a US top level domain |
| 22:38 |
|
tumer |
nope that is the Z3950 server that I use |
| 22:39 |
|
thd |
tumer: i mean that .edu is a US domain |
| 22:39 |
|
tumer |
thats what they use yes |
| 22:40 |
|
tumer |
http://library.neu.edu.tr/cgi-[…]a/union-search.pl has it on mine try that |
| 22:40 |
|
thd |
tumer: I had never seen a non-US entity with a .edu domain until now |
| 22:40 |
|
thd |
tumer: yes I have tried that |
| 22:40 |
|
tumer |
some companies also prefer .com here |
| 22:42 |
|
thd |
tumer: .com and .org have long been used by just anyone even if they were originally intended for US use but I had never seen that for .edu previously |
| 22:43 |
|
tumer |
yes but sabanci is one of the largest coprporates here and they prefer non country specific addresses |
| 22:43 |
|
tumer |
globalism you know |
| 22:44 |
|
thd |
tumer: what do you mean by corporate? |
| 22:44 |
|
tumer |
a multinational ocmpany which has a university as well |
| 22:45 |
|
tumer |
s/ocmany/company |
| 22:45 |
|
thd |
tumer: really, some US universities behave like multinational companies but I never knew the other case |
| 22:45 |
|
thd |
tumer: I had spent much time recently improving my Z39.50 client which, alas, is still in PHP |
| 22:46 |
|
tumer |
have you tried the ZOOM compliant Z3950 now implemented in rel 2_2 and dev_week? |
| 22:46 |
|
thd |
tumer: I have not tried that yet |
| 22:47 |
|
thd |
tumer: did my client ever work for you? |
| 22:48 |
|
tumer |
not on windows, I always used ZOOM previously VBZOOM now PerlZOOM |
| 22:49 |
|
thd |
tumer: I suspect that my client would not have worked on Internet Explorer in the past because it formerly used get queries which were too long for Internet explorer |
| 22:52 |
|
thd |
tumer: I have also rewritten a template for the Koha Wiki to solve problems I had for some content. I have to make an announcement about the wiki template |
| 22:54 |
|
thd |
the koha wiki is now set up to allow multiple templates |
| 22:54 |
|
tumer |
thd: i have not been able to see any wikis recently, most busy in launching an SMS service and now a WAP version KOAH on mobile phones |
| 22:55 |
|
thd |
the wiki is mostly ignored. I hope to change that a little |
| 22:56 |
|
thd |
tumer: what happens with the result set on SMS? |
| 22:56 |
|
tumer |
yes, hard work |
| 22:57 |
|
tumer |
SMS only for renewals and WAP for search-renew-reserve |
| 22:59 |
|
thd |
tumer: do you have a good full keyboard for a WAP device? |
| 22:59 |
|
tumer |
?? |
| 23:00 |
|
thd |
tumer: meaning we need very good portable keyboards to have fully portable computing |
| 23:00 |
|
tumer |
any WAP enableb mobile phone can do a full search on KOHA and retrieve full results |
| 23:01 |
|
thd |
tumer: poking a virtual keyboard with a stylus is too slow |
| 23:02 |
|
thd |
manipulating tiny physical keys is also too slow |
| 23:02 |
|
tumer |
nope just using the phone keys to write a search term is easy for the new generation of youth |
| 23:03 |
|
tumer |
we now have more renewals coming through SMS than we ever had through internet |
| 23:03 |
|
thd |
tumer: does your WAP application accept abbreviated words in the place of search term words? |
| 23:04 |
|
tumer |
nope;exactly same as OPAC and always misspelling allowed |
| 23:06 |
|
thd |
tumer: we need inexpensive fully portable computing with full size hip or arm mounted bluetooth keyboards and translucent display glasses |
| 23:07 |
|
tumer |
Sure Scotty |
| 23:08 |
|
thd |
tumer: may I add your Z39.50 server to my client |
| 23:09 |
|
thd |
? |
| 23:09 |
|
tumer |
library.neu.edu.tr:9010 for MARC21 compliant Z3950 server |
| 23:10 |
|
thd |
tumer: does it return holdings records or merely bibliographic records? |
| 23:10 |
|
tumer |
database name is Default so no need to specify |
| 23:11 |
|
tumer |
merely bibliographic |
| 23:11 |
|
thd |
tumer: what about authorities? |
| 23:11 |
|
thd |
tumer: are authorities in the same database? |
| 23:11 |
|
tumer |
not on public domain iam afraid |
| 23:12 |
|
thd |
tumer: why not? |
| 23:12 |
|
tumer |
library policy of preserving resources |
| 23:13 |
|
thd |
tumer: the best way to preserve resources is too share them |
| 23:13 |
|
tumer |
our servers currently cannot handle too many connections- in future yes |
| 23:13 |
|
thd |
tumer: however, maybe you mean something a little different from preserve |
| 23:14 |
|
thd |
tumer: you mean conserve resources |
| 23:14 |
|
tumer |
resources-server speed etc. not data |
| 23:15 |
|
thd |
tumer: what authority files do you have? |
| 23:15 |
|
tumer |
turkish translated LC subject headings |
| 23:16 |
|
thd |
tumer: do you have all the original LC subject headings? |
| 23:16 |
|
tumer |
nope:but have affiliation to them |
| 23:16 |
|
thd |
tumer: affiliation? |
| 23:17 |
|
thd |
tumer: do you mean access? |
| 23:17 |
|
tumer |
affiliation to LC subject headings online catalogue |
| 23:18 |
|
tumer |
yes access |
| 23:20 |
|
tumer |
thd its almost sunrise and i am going to bed, goodnight |
| 23:20 |
|
thd |
goodnight tumer |
| 23:26 |
|
thd |
indradg: are you there and awake? |
| 05:03 |
|
indradg |
ping! Any Zoom expert around?/ |
| 06:05 |
|
thd |
indradg: are you there? |
| 06:08 |
|
paul |
kados sleeping or still around ? |
| 06:11 |
|
thd |
paul: I hope kados is sleeping |
| 06:11 |
|
thd |
I should be |
| 06:11 |
|
paul |
hi thd. |
| 06:11 |
|
thd |
hello |
| 06:12 |
|
paul |
(I've send a mail, about a commit he made & that is wrong : he has commented zebraop in dev_week : zebra DB is no more updated !!!) |
| 06:23 |
|
thd |
paul: is that the first koha-devel message since 28 November? |
| 06:23 |
|
paul |
??? |
| 06:23 |
|
thd |
paul: your mail referenced above. Did you post it to koha-devel? |
| 06:24 |
|
paul |
nope, it's a private mail |
| 06:24 |
|
thd |
Oh, just checking to see if I had missed it |
| 06:25 |
|
thd |
paul: I recently suffered a two week gap in koha-devel messages |
| 06:42 |
|
indradg |
paul: thd hi |
| 06:42 |
|
thd |
hello indradg |
| 06:43 |
|
thd |
indradg: what did you want to know about Zoom? |
| 06:43 |
|
indradg |
paul: thd any of you tried compiling the Net-Z3950-Zoom perl module on x86_64? |
| 06:43 |
|
thd |
not me |
| 06:43 |
|
thd |
I cannot afford one |
| 06:44 |
|
indradg |
i just tried a i686 build worked straight away |
| 06:44 |
|
paul |
same thing for me, sorry |
| 06:44 |
|
paul |
I don't have a x86_64 for instance |
| 06:44 |
|
indradg |
the x86_64 is coming apart from the seams... all the make test instances are failing |
| 06:45 |
|
indradg |
whereas the rest of the Koha 2.2.7 perl mod deps are building nicely |
| 06:45 |
|
indradg |
:( |
| 06:45 |
|
thd |
indradg: maybe you need the cvs version |
| 06:45 |
|
thd |
indradg: the CVS version has some instructions about compilation issues |
| 06:46 |
|
indradg |
mabbe... i'm going through indexdata m/l right now |
| 06:46 |
|
thd |
indradg: can you tell me something about Indian Z39.50 servers? |
| 06:47 |
|
indradg |
thd: hardly any to speak of... unfortunately! |
| 06:48 |
|
thd |
indradg: do you have any working configurations though? |
| 06:48 |
|
thd |
indradg: I have only a non-working one |
| 06:48 |
|
indradg |
thd: i tested out on my client site... it will be coming online around 2nd week of Jan 2007 |
| 06:49 |
|
thd |
indradg: you tested what? |
