Time Nick Message 15:21 kados LAURIN arnaud around? 15:21 kados paul_away: can we get in touch with LAURIN arnaud on chat? 15:21 kados hdl: ? 18:18 hdl kados ? 18:18 dewey kados is probably becoming a true Perl Monger... 18:18 kados hi hdl ... 18:19 kados I was wondering how I can get in touch with arnaud 18:19 kados he uncommented the zebraop in Biblio.pm 18:19 hdl Only when day time in France 18:19 kados but it's causing some big problems and we need to fix them IMO 18:20 kados ok ... does he hang out on IRC? 18:20 chris yep hes on irc quite often kados 18:20 chris alaurin is his nick 18:21 chris usually he and bruno (btuomi) are on 18:29 milo93 hi all 18:30 milo93 ciao chris 18:30 chris hi milo 18:30 milo93 :) 18:30 milo93 great you are there 18:31 milo93 I have a little prob here 18:31 chris sup? 18:32 milo93 plainly I can't see default framework 18:32 milo93 marc tag structure 18:32 milo93 it's empty 18:32 chris hmm sounds to me like it didnt get installed 18:33 milo93 well that's strange because I have a complete Add Biblio Unimarc template 18:33 milo93 and Marc check DB is ok with Unimarc fields in it 18:33 chris ahh you are using unimarc? 18:33 chris then i have no idea :) 18:33 milo93 yep 18:34 chris hdl might know if hes still awake 18:34 milo93 you think that would make a difference 18:34 hdl yes 18:34 milo93 hi hdl 18:35 milo93 I mean is that related to unimarc? i thought something about framework code .. 18:36 hdl Do you have phpmyadmin on this machine. 18:36 milo93 no I don't 18:36 hdl can you launch mysql -u kohaadmin -p 18:36 hdl \u Koha 18:36 milo93 about MySQL I used a couple of times SQLyog 18:37 hdl then select * from marc_tag_structure; 18:37 hdl select * from marc_subfield_structure; 18:39 hdl If it returns *some* records (marc_subfield_structure about 1016 ) then you DO have marc structure installed. 18:39 hdl Otherwise, you should Re-Import marc structure. 18:39 hdl Mysql --version ? 18:39 hdl OS Type ? Version ? 18:39 milo93 4.1.11 18:41 milo93 Debian_4sarge7 18:42 milo93 access denied 18:43 milo93 \u Koha doesn't work 18:59 milo93 ok! 18:59 milo93 I have the tables in my database 19:00 milo93 now how do i select * from marc_tag_structure? 19:02 milo93 ok I did it 19:02 milo93 and it's empty 19:03 milo93 so I have to Re-Import 19:07 milo93 do you think that unimarc_fr is better? 19:16 indradg chris: ping! 19:16 chris hi indradg, ltns 19:16 indradg chris: yep! was away from Koha for almost an year... now back again.. this time have managed to learn perl :) 19:17 chris hehe excellent 19:22 indradg chris: i was going over the installation I did at WBUT... its running v 2.2.5... i'm noticing a few quirky errors 19:22 chris probably your best bet is to upgrade to 2.2.7 it has lots of bugfixes since 2.2.5 19:23 indradg u r prolly right 19:23 kados hey indradg 19:23 kados good to see you 19:23 indradg kados: yep back again for good 19:25 indradg chris: i understand the relational mapping between biblio, biblioitems and items tables... but i'm a little confused about these vis-a-vis the mapping with marc_biblio table 19:26 chris biblio -> marc_biblio via biblionumber 19:26 indradg chris: righto! 19:26 chris marc_biblio -> marc_word via bibid 19:27 indradg but is there a 1:1 mapping between marc_biblio.bibid and biblio.biblionumber ? 19:27 chris marc_biblio -> marc_subfield_table via bibid also 19:27 chris marc_biblio.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber 1 to 1 19:27 indradg hmmmm 19:28 chris you should only have one row in marc_biblio per row in biblio 19:28 indradg so i thought as well 19:28 chris select count(*) from marc_biblio; 19:28 chris +----------+ 19:28 chris | count(*) | 19:28 chris +----------+ 19:28 chris | 9040 | 19:28 chris +----------+ 19:28 chris select count(*) from biblio; 19:28 chris +----------+ 19:28 chris | count(*) | 19:28 chris +----------+ 19:28 chris | 9040 | 19:28 chris +----------+ 19:29 chris its possible they can get out of sync tho id imagine 19:29 chris the marc support in 2.2.x is a little dicey sometimes 19:30 indradg e.g in this case SELECT MAX(`bibid`) FROM `marc_biblio` is giving 3923 whereas SELECT MAX(`biblionumber`) FROM `marc_biblio` is giving me 3920 :( 19:31 chris yes 19:31 chris bibid <> biblionumber 19:31 chris biblionumber = biblionumber 19:31 chris bibid is different 19:31 indradg the typical problems are like when I check for a barcode from items table its there.... but not so in the 952p subfield in marc_* table 19:31 chris try select max(biblionumber) from marc_biblio; 19:32 indradg i did 19:32 chris marc_biblio is a table for mapping biblionumber to bibid 19:32 chris waht does that give you? 19:32 chris select max(biblionumber) from marc_biblio; 19:32 chris +-------------------+ 19:32 chris | max(biblionumber) | 19:32 chris +-------------------+ 19:32 chris | 9040 | 19:32 chris +-------------------+ 19:32 indradg 3920 19:33 chris select max(biblionumber) from biblio; 19:33 chris +-------------------+ 19:33 chris | max(biblionumber) | 19:33 chris +-------------------+ 19:33 chris | 9040 | 19:33 chris +-------------------+ 19:33 chris yep thats right 19:33 chris it doesnt matter if bibid does not equal biblionumber 19:33 indradg ok 19:33 chris as long as biblionumber in biblio = biblionumber in marc_biblio 19:34 indradg ok 19:34 indradg got it 19:34 chris so if its there in items, but not in marc_subfield_table .. id check your koha2marc links 19:35 chris i seem to remember a lot of marc fixes done between 2.2.5 and 2.2.7 though, so an upgrade wont hurt :) 19:37 indradg chris: thanks! 20:04 milo93 hdl ... are you still there? 21:55 thd indrag: are you there? 22:00 thd indradg: are you present? 22:31 thd hello tumer 22:31 thd tumer: Is that really you? 22:31 tumer hi thd ? long time no see? 22:32 thd tumer: I have a question about configuration of a Turkish Z39.50 site 22:32 tumer yes? 22:34 thd tumer: 212.98.201.33:210/INNOPAC|no|MARC 21|MARC 21|MARC 21|Sabanci Üníversítesí, SABAN 22:35 thd that server does not work for me 22:35 tumer let me check 22:37 tumer the Z39.50 server is on RISC01.SABANCIUNIV.EDU:210 and database is INNOPAC 22:37 thd tumer: that is a US top level domain 22:38 tumer nope that is the Z3950 server that I use 22:39 thd tumer: i mean that .edu is a US domain 22:39 tumer thats what they use yes 22:40 tumer http://library.neu.edu.tr/cgi-bin/koha/union-search.pl has it on mine try that 22:40 thd tumer: I had never seen a non-US entity with a .edu domain until now 22:40 thd tumer: yes I have tried that 22:40 tumer some companies also prefer .com here 22:42 thd tumer: .com and .org have long been used by just anyone even if they were originally intended for US use but I had never seen that for .edu previously 22:43 tumer yes but sabanci is one of the largest coprporates here and they prefer non country specific addresses 22:43 tumer globalism you know 22:44 thd tumer: what do you mean by corporate? 22:44 tumer a multinational ocmpany which has a university as well 22:45 tumer s/ocmany/company 22:45 thd tumer: really, some US universities behave like multinational companies but I never knew the other case 22:45 thd tumer: I had spent much time recently improving my Z39.50 client which, alas, is still in PHP 22:46 tumer have you tried the ZOOM compliant Z3950 now implemented in rel 2_2 and dev_week? 22:46 thd tumer: I have not tried that yet 22:47 thd tumer: did my client ever work for you? 22:48 tumer not on windows, I always used ZOOM previously VBZOOM now PerlZOOM 22:49 thd tumer: I suspect that my client would not have worked on Internet Explorer in the past because it formerly used get queries which were too long for Internet explorer 22:52 thd tumer: I have also rewritten a template for the Koha Wiki to solve problems I had for some content. I have to make an announcement about the wiki template 22:54 thd the koha wiki is now set up to allow multiple templates 22:54 tumer thd: i have not been able to see any wikis recently, most busy in launching an SMS service and now a WAP version KOAH on mobile phones 22:55 thd the wiki is mostly ignored. I hope to change that a little 22:56 thd tumer: what happens with the result set on SMS? 22:56 tumer yes, hard work 22:57 tumer SMS only for renewals and WAP for search-renew-reserve 22:59 thd tumer: do you have a good full keyboard for a WAP device? 22:59 tumer ?? 23:00 thd tumer: meaning we need very good portable keyboards to have fully portable computing 23:00 tumer any WAP enableb mobile phone can do a full search on KOHA and retrieve full results 23:01 thd tumer: poking a virtual keyboard with a stylus is too slow 23:02 thd manipulating tiny physical keys is also too slow 23:02 tumer nope just using the phone keys to write a search term is easy for the new generation of youth 23:03 tumer we now have more renewals coming through SMS than we ever had through internet 23:03 thd tumer: does your WAP application accept abbreviated words in the place of search term words? 23:04 tumer nope;exactly same as OPAC and always misspelling allowed 23:06 thd tumer: we need inexpensive fully portable computing with full size hip or arm mounted bluetooth keyboards and translucent display glasses 23:07 tumer Sure Scotty 23:08 thd tumer: may I add your Z39.50 server to my client 23:09 thd ? 23:09 tumer library.neu.edu.tr:9010 for MARC21 compliant Z3950 server 23:10 thd tumer: does it return holdings records or merely bibliographic records? 23:10 tumer database name is Default so no need to specify 23:11 tumer merely bibliographic 23:11 thd tumer: what about authorities? 23:11 thd tumer: are authorities in the same database? 23:11 tumer not on public domain iam afraid 23:12 thd tumer: why not? 23:12 tumer library policy of preserving resources 23:13 thd tumer: the best way to preserve resources is too share them 23:13 tumer our servers currently cannot handle too many connections- in future yes 23:13 thd tumer: however, maybe you mean something a little different from preserve 23:14 thd tumer: you mean conserve resources 23:14 tumer resources-server speed etc. not data 23:15 thd tumer: what authority files do you have? 23:15 tumer turkish translated LC subject headings 23:16 thd tumer: do you have all the original LC subject headings? 23:16 tumer nope:but have affiliation to them 23:16 thd tumer: affiliation? 23:17 thd tumer: do you mean access? 23:17 tumer affiliation to LC subject headings online catalogue 23:18 tumer yes access 23:20 tumer thd its almost sunrise and i am going to bed, goodnight 23:20 thd goodnight tumer 23:26 thd indradg: are you there and awake? 05:03 indradg ping! Any Zoom expert around?/ 06:05 thd indradg: are you there? 06:08 paul kados sleeping or still around ? 06:11 thd paul: I hope kados is sleeping 06:11 thd I should be 06:11 paul hi thd. 06:11 thd hello 06:12 paul (I've send a mail, about a commit he made & that is wrong : he has commented zebraop in dev_week : zebra DB is no more updated !!!) 06:23 thd paul: is that the first koha-devel message since 28 November? 06:23 paul ??? 06:23 thd paul: your mail referenced above. Did you post it to koha-devel? 06:24 paul nope, it's a private mail 06:24 thd Oh, just checking to see if I had missed it 06:25 thd paul: I recently suffered a two week gap in koha-devel messages 06:42 indradg paul: thd hi 06:42 thd hello indradg 06:43 thd indradg: what did you want to know about Zoom? 06:43 indradg paul: thd any of you tried compiling the Net-Z3950-Zoom perl module on x86_64? 06:43 thd not me 06:43 thd I cannot afford one 06:44 indradg i just tried a i686 build worked straight away 06:44 paul same thing for me, sorry 06:44 paul I don't have a x86_64 for instance 06:44 indradg the x86_64 is coming apart from the seams... all the make test instances are failing 06:45 indradg whereas the rest of the Koha 2.2.7 perl mod deps are building nicely 06:45 indradg :( 06:45 thd indradg: maybe you need the cvs version 06:45 thd indradg: the CVS version has some instructions about compilation issues 06:46 indradg mabbe... i'm going through indexdata m/l right now 06:46 thd indradg: can you tell me something about Indian Z39.50 servers? 06:47 indradg thd: hardly any to speak of... unfortunately! 06:48 thd indradg: do you have any working configurations though? 06:48 thd indradg: I have only a non-working one 06:48 indradg thd: i tested out on my client site... it will be coming online around 2nd week of Jan 2007 06:49 thd indradg: you tested what?