Time  Nick    Message
15:21 kados   LAURIN arnaud around?
15:21 kados   paul_away: can we get in touch with LAURIN arnaud on chat?
15:21 kados   hdl: ?
18:18 hdl     kados ?
18:18 dewey   kados is probably becoming a true Perl Monger...
18:18 kados   hi hdl ...
18:19 kados   I was wondering how I can get in touch with arnaud
18:19 kados   he uncommented the zebraop in Biblio.pm
18:19 hdl     Only when day time in France
18:19 kados   but it's causing some big problems and we need to fix them IMO
18:20 kados   ok ... does he hang out on IRC?
18:20 chris   yep hes on irc quite often kados
18:20 chris   alaurin is his nick
18:21 chris   usually he and bruno (btuomi) are on
18:29 milo93  hi all
18:30 milo93  ciao chris
18:30 chris   hi milo
18:30 milo93  :)
18:30 milo93  great you are there
18:31 milo93  I have a little prob here
18:31 chris   sup?
18:32 milo93  plainly I can't see default framework
18:32 milo93  marc tag structure
18:32 milo93  it's empty
18:32 chris   hmm sounds to me like it didnt get installed
18:33 milo93  well that's strange because I have a complete Add Biblio Unimarc template
18:33 milo93  and Marc check DB is ok with Unimarc fields in it
18:33 chris   ahh you are using unimarc?
18:33 chris   then i have no idea :)
18:33 milo93  yep
18:34 chris   hdl might know if hes still awake
18:34 milo93  you think that would make a difference
18:34 hdl     yes
18:34 milo93  hi hdl
18:35 milo93  I mean is that related to unimarc? i thought something about framework code ..
18:36 hdl     Do you have phpmyadmin on this machine.
18:36 milo93  no I don't
18:36 hdl     can you launch mysql -u kohaadmin -p
18:36 hdl     \u Koha
18:36 milo93  about MySQL I used a couple of times SQLyog
18:37 hdl     then select * from marc_tag_structure;
18:37 hdl     select * from marc_subfield_structure;
18:39 hdl     If it returns *some* records (marc_subfield_structure about 1016 ) then you DO have marc structure installed.
18:39 hdl     Otherwise, you should Re-Import marc structure.
18:39 hdl     Mysql --version ?
18:39 hdl     OS Type ? Version ?
18:39 milo93  4.1.11
18:41 milo93  Debian_4sarge7
18:42 milo93  access denied
18:43 milo93  \u Koha doesn't work
18:59 milo93  ok!
18:59 milo93  I have the tables in my database
19:00 milo93  now how do i select * from marc_tag_structure?
19:02 milo93  ok I did it
19:02 milo93  and it's empty
19:03 milo93  so I have to Re-Import
19:07 milo93  do you think that unimarc_fr is better?
19:16 indradg chris: ping!
19:16 chris   hi indradg, ltns
19:16 indradg chris: yep! was away from Koha for almost an year... now back again.. this time have managed to learn perl :)
19:17 chris   hehe excellent
19:22 indradg chris: i was going over the installation I did at WBUT... its running v 2.2.5... i'm noticing a few quirky errors
19:22 chris   probably your best bet is to upgrade to 2.2.7 it has lots of bugfixes since 2.2.5
19:23 indradg u r prolly right
19:23 kados   hey indradg
19:23 kados   good to see you
19:23 indradg kados: yep back again for good
19:25 indradg chris: i understand the relational mapping between biblio, biblioitems and items tables... but i'm a little confused about these vis-a-vis the mapping with marc_biblio table
19:26 chris   biblio -> marc_biblio via biblionumber
19:26 indradg chris: righto!
19:26 chris   marc_biblio -> marc_word via bibid
19:27 indradg but is there a 1:1 mapping between marc_biblio.bibid and biblio.biblionumber ?
19:27 chris   marc_biblio -> marc_subfield_table via bibid also
19:27 chris   marc_biblio.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber 1 to 1
19:27 indradg hmmmm
19:28 chris   you should only have one row in marc_biblio per row in biblio
19:28 indradg so i thought as well
19:28 chris   select count(*) from marc_biblio;
19:28 chris   +----------+
19:28 chris   | count(*) |
19:28 chris   +----------+
19:28 chris   |     9040 |
19:28 chris   +----------+
19:28 chris   select count(*) from biblio;
19:28 chris   +----------+
19:28 chris   | count(*) |
19:28 chris   +----------+
19:28 chris   |     9040 |
19:28 chris   +----------+
19:29 chris   its possible they can get out of sync tho id imagine
19:29 chris   the marc support in 2.2.x is a little dicey sometimes
19:30 indradg e.g in this case SELECT MAX(`bibid`) FROM `marc_biblio` is giving 3923 whereas SELECT MAX(`biblionumber`) FROM `marc_biblio` is giving me 3920 :(
19:31 chris   yes
19:31 chris   bibid <> biblionumber
19:31 chris   biblionumber = biblionumber
19:31 chris   bibid is different
19:31 indradg the typical problems are like when I check for a barcode from items table its there.... but not so in the 952p subfield in marc_* table
19:31 chris   try select max(biblionumber) from marc_biblio;
19:32 indradg i did
19:32 chris   marc_biblio is a table for mapping biblionumber to bibid
19:32 chris   waht does that give you?
19:32 chris   select max(biblionumber) from marc_biblio;
19:32 chris   +-------------------+
19:32 chris   | max(biblionumber) |
19:32 chris   +-------------------+
19:32 chris   |              9040 |
19:32 chris   +-------------------+
19:32 indradg 3920
19:33 chris   select max(biblionumber) from biblio;
19:33 chris   +-------------------+
19:33 chris   | max(biblionumber) |
19:33 chris   +-------------------+
19:33 chris   |              9040 |
19:33 chris   +-------------------+
19:33 chris   yep thats right
19:33 chris   it doesnt matter if bibid does not equal biblionumber
19:33 indradg ok
19:33 chris   as long as biblionumber in biblio = biblionumber in marc_biblio
19:34 indradg ok
19:34 indradg got it
19:34 chris   so if its there in items, but not in marc_subfield_table .. id check your koha2marc links
19:35 chris   i seem to remember a lot of marc fixes done between 2.2.5 and 2.2.7 though, so an upgrade wont hurt :)
19:37 indradg chris: thanks!
20:04 milo93  hdl ... are you still there?
21:55 thd     indrag: are you there?
22:00 thd     indradg: are you present?
22:31 thd     hello tumer
22:31 thd     tumer: Is that really you?
22:31 tumer   hi thd ? long time no see?
22:32 thd     tumer: I have a question about configuration of a Turkish Z39.50 site
22:32 tumer   yes?
22:34 thd     tumer: 212.98.201.33:210/INNOPAC|no|MARC 21|MARC 21|MARC 21|Sabanci &Uuml;n&iacute;vers&iacute;tes&iacute;, SABAN
22:35 thd     that server does not work for me
22:35 tumer   let me check
22:37 tumer   the Z39.50 server is on RISC01.SABANCIUNIV.EDU:210 and database is  INNOPAC
22:37 thd     tumer: that is a US top level domain
22:38 tumer   nope that is the Z3950 server that I use
22:39 thd     tumer: i mean that .edu is a US domain
22:39 tumer   thats what they use yes
22:40 tumer   http://library.neu.edu.tr/cgi-bin/koha/union-search.pl has it on mine try that
22:40 thd     tumer: I had never seen a non-US entity with a .edu domain until now
22:40 thd     tumer: yes I have tried that
22:40 tumer   some companies also prefer .com here
22:42 thd     tumer: .com and .org have long been used by just anyone even if they were originally intended for US use but I had never seen that for .edu previously
22:43 tumer   yes but sabanci is one of the largest coprporates here and they prefer non country specific addresses
22:43 tumer   globalism you know
22:44 thd     tumer: what do you mean by corporate?
22:44 tumer   a multinational ocmpany which has a university as well
22:45 tumer   s/ocmany/company
22:45 thd     tumer: really, some US universities behave like multinational companies but I never knew the other case
22:45 thd     tumer: I had spent much time recently improving my Z39.50 client which, alas, is still in PHP
22:46 tumer   have you tried the ZOOM compliant Z3950 now implemented in rel 2_2 and dev_week?
22:46 thd     tumer: I have not tried that yet
22:47 thd     tumer: did my client ever work for you?
22:48 tumer   not on windows, I always used ZOOM previously VBZOOM now PerlZOOM
22:49 thd     tumer: I suspect that my client would not have worked on Internet Explorer in the past because it formerly used get queries which were too long for Internet explorer
22:52 thd     tumer: I have also rewritten a template for the Koha Wiki to solve problems I had for some content.  I have to make an announcement about the wiki template
22:54 thd     the koha wiki is now set up to allow multiple templates
22:54 tumer   thd: i have not been able to see any wikis recently, most busy in launching an SMS service and now a WAP version KOAH on mobile phones
22:55 thd     the wiki is mostly ignored.  I hope to change that a little
22:56 thd     tumer: what happens with the result set on SMS?
22:56 tumer   yes, hard work
22:57 tumer   SMS only for renewals and WAP for search-renew-reserve
22:59 thd     tumer: do you have a good full keyboard for a WAP device?
22:59 tumer   ??
23:00 thd     tumer: meaning we need very good portable keyboards to have fully portable computing
23:00 tumer   any WAP enableb mobile phone can do a full search on KOHA and retrieve full results
23:01 thd     tumer: poking a virtual keyboard with a stylus is too slow
23:02 thd     manipulating tiny physical keys is also too slow
23:02 tumer   nope just using the phone keys to write a search term is easy for the new generation of youth
23:03 tumer   we now have more renewals coming through SMS than we ever had through internet
23:03 thd     tumer: does your WAP application accept abbreviated words in the place of search term words?
23:04 tumer   nope;exactly same as OPAC and always misspelling allowed
23:06 thd     tumer: we need inexpensive fully portable computing with full size hip or arm mounted bluetooth keyboards and translucent display glasses
23:07 tumer   Sure Scotty
23:08 thd     tumer: may I add your Z39.50 server to my client
23:09 thd     ?
23:09 tumer   library.neu.edu.tr:9010 for MARC21 compliant Z3950 server
23:10 thd     tumer: does it return holdings records or merely bibliographic records?
23:10 tumer   database name is Default so no need to specify
23:11 tumer   merely bibliographic
23:11 thd     tumer: what about authorities?
23:11 thd     tumer: are authorities in the same database?
23:11 tumer   not on public domain iam afraid
23:12 thd     tumer: why not?
23:12 tumer   library policy of preserving resources
23:13 thd     tumer: the best way to preserve resources is too share them
23:13 tumer   our servers currently cannot handle too many connections- in future yes
23:13 thd     tumer: however, maybe you mean something a little different from preserve
23:14 thd     tumer: you mean conserve resources
23:14 tumer   resources-server speed etc. not data
23:15 thd     tumer: what authority files do you have?
23:15 tumer   turkish translated LC subject headings
23:16 thd     tumer: do you have all the original LC subject headings?
23:16 tumer   nope:but have affiliation to them
23:16 thd     tumer: affiliation?
23:17 thd     tumer: do you mean access?
23:17 tumer   affiliation to LC subject headings online catalogue
23:18 tumer   yes access
23:20 tumer   thd its almost sunrise and i am going to bed, goodnight
23:20 thd     goodnight tumer
23:26 thd     indradg: are you there and awake?
05:03 indradg ping! Any Zoom expert around?/
06:05 thd     indradg: are you there?
06:08 paul    kados sleeping or still around ?
06:11 thd     paul: I hope kados is sleeping
06:11 thd     I should be
06:11 paul    hi thd.
06:11 thd     hello
06:12 paul    (I've send a mail, about a commit he made & that is wrong : he has commented zebraop in dev_week : zebra DB is no more updated !!!)
06:23 thd     paul: is that the first koha-devel message since 28 November?
06:23 paul    ???
06:23 thd     paul: your mail referenced above.  Did you post it to koha-devel?
06:24 paul    nope, it's a private mail
06:24 thd     Oh, just checking to see if I had missed it
06:25 thd     paul: I recently suffered a two week gap in koha-devel messages
06:42 indradg paul: thd hi
06:42 thd     hello indradg
06:43 thd     indradg: what did you want to know about Zoom?
06:43 indradg paul: thd any of you tried compiling the Net-Z3950-Zoom perl module on x86_64?
06:43 thd     not me
06:43 thd     I cannot afford one
06:44 indradg i just tried a i686 build worked straight away
06:44 paul    same thing for me, sorry
06:44 paul    I don't have a x86_64 for instance
06:44 indradg the x86_64 is coming apart from the seams... all the make test instances are failing
06:45 indradg whereas the rest of the Koha 2.2.7 perl mod deps are building nicely
06:45 indradg :(
06:45 thd     indradg: maybe you need the cvs version
06:45 thd     indradg: the CVS version has some instructions about compilation issues
06:46 indradg mabbe... i'm going through indexdata m/l right now
06:46 thd     indradg: can you tell me something about Indian Z39.50 servers?
06:47 indradg thd: hardly any to speak of... unfortunately!
06:48 thd     indradg: do you have any working configurations though?
06:48 thd     indradg: I have only a non-working one
06:48 indradg thd: i tested out on my client site... it will be coming online around 2nd week of Jan 2007
06:49 thd     indradg: you tested what?