| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 22:19 |
|
kados |
thd: are you present? |
| 22:19 |
|
thd |
yes |
| 22:20 |
|
kados |
thd: I need some information about the 511,518 fields ... |
| 22:20 |
|
kados |
thd: what subfields need to be added (if any) to the frameworks? |
| 22:20 |
|
thd |
kados: I added them to the default |
| 22:22 |
|
thd |
kados: only $a is important. They are uncontrolled and are therefore very simple |
| 22:22 |
|
kados |
I didn't see the commit ... lemme check the log |
| 22:23 |
|
kados |
thd: do you remember the date? |
| 22:23 |
|
thd |
the day after you asked me about them |
| 22:23 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 22:25 |
|
thd |
kados: early morning on the 20th |
| 22:25 |
|
thd |
is when I committed |
| 22:26 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 22:26 |
|
kados |
I don't see that in my email :( |
| 22:26 |
|
thd |
kados: cvs told me it sent a message after the commit |
| 22:27 |
|
kados |
I'll try updating my local copy |
| 22:27 |
|
thd |
kados: you should show the 19th as the date in the internal versioning |
| 22:29 |
|
kados |
thd: I only see 6, 8, and a in the 511 field |
| 22:29 |
|
kados |
thd: is that all that's needed? |
| 22:30 |
|
thd |
kados:I also found another missing subfield from last year's standard revision for that commit. |
| 22:30 |
|
thd |
kados: only $a is important. They are uncontrolled and are therefore very simple |
| 22:30 |
|
dewey |
i already had it that way, thd. |
| 22:32 |
|
thd |
kados: some might think that we would be better off if everything only used $a but that would be extra difficult for machine parsing |
| 22:33 |
|
thd |
kados:last night I asked about forcing indicators not set by the cataloguer |
| 22:33 |
|
kados |
yes, what did you mean? |
| 22:34 |
|
thd |
kados: I meant that the record editor should not be supplying them before the record is saved |
| 22:35 |
|
thd |
kados: before your improvements from the spring you had to actively delete blank indicators in an empty record to add them. |
| 22:37 |
|
thd |
kados: so certainly if some subfields hold a value and nothing was set for the indicators then setting those to blank after saving is fine. |
| 22:38 |
|
thd |
kados: the indicators should not start out blank for an empty field though. If the field is empty then the indicators should be empty as well. |
| 22:39 |
|
thd |
kados: of course, fixed fields do not have indicators. |
| 22:40 |
|
thd |
kados: so I was simply cautioning not to revert the code merely to make the warning go away since the more recent behaviour is an improvement. |
| 22:40 |
|
kados |
thd: but indicators should be blank for fields with an actual value, right? (by default I mean) |
| 22:41 |
|
thd |
kados: yes if a value has been set for some subfield and the indicators have been ignored by the cataloguer or only the first one had been set then I see no problem in setting remaining indicators to blank. |
| 22:42 |
|
thd |
for that field |
| 22:42 |
|
kados |
and blank in this case means " ", not "", right? |
| 22:42 |
|
thd |
exactly |
| 22:42 |
|
kados |
ok, that's what I changed |
| 22:42 |
|
kados |
it was defaulting to "" before, now it defaults to " " |
| 22:43 |
|
thd |
kados: as long as a new empty record or new empty fields do not have there indicators already populated with spaces |
| 22:44 |
|
thd |
s/there/thei4r/ |
| 22:44 |
|
thd |
s/there/their/ |
| 22:45 |
|
kados |
thd: dont' worry, that bug is fixed |
| 22:45 |
|
kados |
thd: for USMARC anyway :-) |
| 22:45 |
|
thd |
kados: you may note that I even abbreviated the simple frameworkcodes even further in a few cases |
| 22:47 |
|
thd |
kados: you had wanted to discuss frameworks a little last week but then you were not arround |
| 22:48 |
|
thd |
kados: you had suggested something about a separate SQL file for the items fields. |
| 22:48 |
|
kados |
thd: yes ... I think that's the ideal setup |
| 22:50 |
|
thd |
kados: I may be mistaken and would be afraid without good testing but I believe that only the default Koha items field is used no matter what framework you have. |
| 22:50 |
|
kados |
thd: I've seen it both ways in the code |
| 22:50 |
|
thd |
\kados: wow |
| 22:50 |
|
kados |
thd: having just recently read through all of Biblio.pm :( |
| 22:51 |
|
thd |
kados: well the code should make up its mind :) |
| 22:53 |
|
thd |
kados: I spent all night testing that column size bug for the frameworks. |
| 22:53 |
|
thd |
on the night that you gave up with merely reverting the column |
| 22:54 |
|
thd |
kados: eventually I became tired too but I believe that I excluded any source of error except for hard coding framework code size in the templates |
| 22:55 |
|
thd |
well I had started tired so I mean too tired to even see |
| 22:56 |
|
thd |
kados: so I did not fully traced the error but believe that I came close |
| 22:57 |
|
thd |
kados: templates should be reading column size from the database not setting it arbitrarily even if it has no very great importance in this case. |
| 22:57 |
|
kados |
thd: since fixing the code I haven't heard any complaints from clients |
| 22:58 |
|
kados |
thd: so it seems to have fixed it :-) |
| 22:58 |
|
thd |
kados: yes but you had not traced the source of the bug |
| 22:58 |
|
thd |
kados: we know what revealed it but not the true cause |
| 22:59 |
|
thd |
kados: so it is waiting, lurking, ready to bite again the next time someone tries something just a little creative. |
| 23:01 |
|
thd |
kados: in any case I actually reduced the size of some columns in the simple framework even further |
| 23:02 |
|
thd |
kados: to allow for more well specified frameworks |
| 23:02 |
|
thd |
kados: existing frameworks try to put as much as manageable into a single framework |
| 23:03 |
|
thd |
kados: so that most frameworks have collapsed fields for electronic resources since almost anything can be an electronic resource |
| 23:04 |
|
thd |
kados: most frameworks also have collapsed fields for serials since almost anything can be also be a serial |
| 23:04 |
|
kados |
right |
| 23:04 |
|
kados |
serials are beyond us right now :-=) |
| 23:05 |
|
kados |
long day tomorrow |
| 23:05 |
|
thd |
kados: however, I can well understand that people might want this as separate frameworks |
| 23:05 |
|
thd |
kados: is tomorrow any longer than today? |
| 23:05 |
|
kados |
thd: it's all about perception :-) |
| 23:07 |
|
thd |
kados: you went on a trip to Mr Tomlkins land today? |
| 23:07 |
|
thd |
s//Tolmkins/Tompkins/ |
| 23:07 |
|
thd |
s/Tolmkins/Tompkins/ |
| 23:08 |
|
thd |
kados: I know that book is before your time :) |
| 23:10 |
|
thd |
kados: It tried to fascinate its readers with an explanation of relativity theory and time distortion via near light travel where the astronaut did not vaporise. |
| 23:12 |
|
thd |
early editions may have only had very fast trains |
| 23:13 |
|
thd |
kados: so I just meant to ask if you would be around tomorrow? |
| 23:13 |
|
thd |
or today now during the long day |
| 23:13 |
|
kados |
I have an appointment at 8:30am ... then a demo at 12:00 (noon) that will probably last about an hour |
| 23:13 |
|
kados |
then I will need to eat |
| 23:14 |
|
kados |
I should return to my desk around 2:00pm or so if everything goes perfectly :-) |
| 23:14 |
|
thd |
kados: eating is not really necessary :) |
| 23:14 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 23:15 |
|
thd |
kados: if your train is fast enough you can return almost before you left |
| 23:15 |
|
kados |
right now I'm gonna head to bed |
| 23:15 |
|
kados |
talk to you soon thd |
| 23:15 |
|
thd |
good night |
| 02:22 |
|
hdl |
paul ? |
| 02:22 |
|
dewey |
paul is preparing to issue a release while the NPL templates are not working for the record editor now. |
| 02:23 |
|
paul |
n'importe quoi ce dewey ... |
| 07:11 |
|
paul |
seems savannah ftp is down atm :-( |
| 07:54 |
|
hdl |
kados: |
| 07:54 |
|
hdl |
? |
| 07:54 |
|
hdl |
owen ? |
| 07:54 |
|
dewey |
owen is hardly ever in direct contact with kados. We communicate here. |
| 07:55 |
|
owen |
Thanks dewey. |
| 07:55 |
|
owen |
Hi hdl |
| 07:55 |
|
hdl |
hi. |
| 07:55 |
|
hdl |
how are you ? |
| 07:55 |
|
owen |
I'm a little stressed out from getting NPL ready for the next upgrade :) |
| 07:56 |
|
hdl |
I was wondering if ZOOM search for title, author or any other peculiar field was configured in dev_week ? |
| 07:56 |
|
hdl |
kados is away right ? |
| 07:57 |
|
owen |
I haven't heard from him this morning, but I just arrived. |
| 07:57 |
|
hdl |
seems he had to take a train today. |
| 07:59 |
|
owen |
A train?? |
| 08:02 |
|
owen |
(reading the log) No train. Just a busy day for him, it seems. |
| 08:05 |
|
hdl |
oh. I misread. |
| 08:45 |
|
hdl |
kados |
| 08:45 |
|
hdl |
? |
| 08:45 |
|
hdl |
tumer ? |
| 08:45 |
|
dewey |
tumer is here for a few seconds ;-) or debugging it very fast as it it in use |
| 09:02 |
|
owen |
hdl, are you still there? |
| 09:02 |
|
hdl |
yes |
| 09:02 |
|
owen |
I have a question maybe you can answer |
| 09:02 |
|
owen |
I want to modify an opac script so that it does one thing if the user is logged in, and another if they're not |
| 09:03 |
|
owen |
Is there a variable that indicates that? |
| 09:04 |
|
hdl |
you can test C4::Context->userenv and $userenv->{userid} |
| 09:04 |
|
hdl |
Do you know where zebra searches are configured ? |
| 09:05 |
|
owen |
hdl: right now I think kados is the only one who really understands how zebra works. We should hire bodyguards for him. |
| 09:06 |
|
hdl |
and backup or clone him for having multpile instances at one time :DD |
| 09:06 |
|
owen |
That would be very helpful! |
| 09:11 |
|
paul |
kados around ? |
| 09:11 |
|
owen |
paul, I think kados is away for another 4 hours or so, according to the log |
| 09:12 |
|
paul |
owen : loggedinsusername is the name of the logged user. It's better to use $userenv-|{userid} |
| 09:12 |
|
owen |
Thanks paul |
| 09:12 |
|
paul |
ok, thanks. do you know about marc21_simple_framework.sql, done by thd & commited by kados ? |
| 09:12 |
|
owen |
No :( |
| 09:12 |
|
paul |
because it's really heavy & I was wondering wether is was interesting to let them in the package... |
| 10:02 |
|
owen |
paul, are you still there? |
| 10:05 |
|
hdl |
nope |
| 10:24 |
|
hdl |
kados ? |
| 10:24 |
|
dewey |
i guess kados is becoming a true Perl Monger... |
| 10:25 |
|
owen |
Sure, dewey, but what have /you/ been up to lately? |
| 11:32 |
|
paul |
mmm... wiki has been hacked... |
| 11:32 |
|
paul |
the encodingscratchpad page contains a .wmf file that is probably a virus |
| 11:55 |
|
thd |
paul: marc21_simple_frameworks.sql started as custom set of non-standard frameworks for different record types for one particular library to their specification. However, since I created it the frameworks are close to what standard frameworks for those record types would be except for about 10% hidden fields, absent by default for new records, in addition to too many fields being collapsed in the editor at the request of the custom |
| 11:57 |
|
toins |
thd: paul is not around... |
| 11:57 |
|
thd |
paul: it is only heavy because the frameworks must replicate any possible subfield as hidden to avoid data loss in editing copy catalogued records. |
| 11:58 |
|
thd |
toins: have you quit too? |
| 11:58 |
|
toins |
thd: yes, i'm not here... ;-) |
| 11:59 |
|
thd |
toins: well at least you saw my message :) |
