| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:07 |
|
kados |
thd: you around? |
| 12:08 |
|
kados |
thd: I seem to recall you had the low down on how to get cheap bibliographic and authority records ... |
| 12:26 |
|
hdl |
tumer around ? |
| 12:27 |
|
hdl |
seems not. |
| 12:43 |
|
thd |
kados: I am here |
| 12:43 |
|
kados |
thd: do you see my question above? |
| 12:44 |
|
kados |
I'm interested in pursuing our discussions about obtaining cheap bib and auth records |
| 12:45 |
|
thd |
kados: yes are you asking about records matched to the records in an individual library or a large database to serve the needs of many libraries? |
| 12:46 |
|
kados |
I'm looking for a cheap way to obtain all the MARc records ever created :-) |
| 12:47 |
|
thd |
ok I will supply them all in five minutes |
| 12:56 |
|
kados |
thd: list? |
| 12:57 |
|
thd |
kados: how many all do you want in terms of countries and libraries where they were created? |
| 12:58 |
|
thd |
and languages? |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
I want everything :-) |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
well ... options are always good |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
ultimately I want everything |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
but it would be good to start with a subset |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
say, US records only |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
to start with |
| 13:07 |
|
thd |
kados: English only? |
| 13:08 |
|
thd |
kados: LC only? |
| 13:08 |
|
kados |
not LC only |
| 13:08 |
|
kados |
not English only |
| 13:10 |
|
thd |
kados: targeting selection of particular records from other libraries is OK but wholesale acquisition of records from a database could get you in trouble. |
| 13:11 |
|
thd |
kados: however, people are willing to sell databases of records |
| 13:11 |
|
thd |
kados: or rather license their use for approved purposes |
| 13:12 |
|
kados |
right |
| 13:12 |
|
thd |
kados: what do you intend to do with the records? |
| 13:12 |
|
kados |
well I'd be looking for someone willing to sell access to the entire set of data |
| 13:12 |
|
kados |
so that I can set up http://kohacat.org |
| 13:13 |
|
kados |
which will allow people to search for and download records usigna web-bsed interface as well as Z39.50 |
| 13:13 |
|
thd |
kados: which would be open to any library just Koha users, LibLime clients or what? |
| 13:18 |
|
thd |
kados: are you still there? |
| 13:18 |
|
kados |
yes |
| 13:18 |
|
kados |
it would be open to the world |
| 13:21 |
|
thd |
kados: would there be a fee associated for access or downloading records? |
| 13:21 |
|
kados |
no |
| 13:21 |
|
kados |
it would be donation based |
| 13:22 |
|
thd |
kados: libraries would have to donate a record for every one they copied? |
| 13:22 |
|
kados |
hehe ... now |
| 13:22 |
|
kados |
no even |
| 13:22 |
|
kados |
there would be no obligations |
| 13:24 |
|
thd |
kados: you might be able to make a deal with some sources for databases which they guard carefully but for free open to the world for copying you would not be able to get the best records without replacing their current revenue stream from their records. |
| 13:24 |
|
thd |
s/best/some very good database sets/ |
| 13:25 |
|
kados |
so the only solution is to purchase directly from LC? |
| 13:25 |
|
thd |
kados: no |
| 13:25 |
|
kados |
what then? |
| 13:26 |
|
thd |
kados: however, you would not be able to get many records which were not in LC from aggregators with that model |
| 13:27 |
|
thd |
kados: you could get LC records with some other modest databases from a third party cheaply |
| 13:28 |
|
kados |
how cheaply? |
| 13:28 |
|
thd |
kados: to complement that set in the US you would need to make deals with individual libraries |
| 13:29 |
|
kados |
I currently have about 10 million records |
| 13:40 |
|
dce_wi |
hello. Does anyone know the correct way to encrypt passwords for koha? I did a bulk import of patrons but clearly don't have the passwords encrypted right yet. |
| 13:49 |
|
owen |
Isn't sure... are koha passwords encrypted with MD5()? |
| 13:53 |
|
dce_wi |
They don't look like standard MD5 crypts (non-standard characters, too short and mixed case.) |
| 13:54 |
|
owen |
I'm not much at Perl, but it looks like the scripts use a special function to encrypt the passwords before they go into MySQL: md5_base64() ? |
| 14:01 |
|
dce_wi |
Well, that certainly returns text that looks like what is stored in the database. |
| 14:04 |
|
dce_wi |
Bingo. After updating a student's password using that I can log in as them. Thanks! |
| 14:04 |
|
owen |
glad I could help |
| 14:18 |
|
dce_wi |
\quit |
| 14:18 |
|
dce_wi |
lol |
| 14:18 |
|
dce_wi |
l8er |
| 15:43 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 15:53 |
|
kados |
hey chris |
| 15:54 |
|
chris |
heya .. i have a question for ya |
| 15:55 |
|
chris |
with dev_week ... if i had a bunch of marc records .. and had set up dev_week wrt the page on the wiki |
| 15:55 |
|
chris |
would i be able to bulkmarcimport them in? |
| 15:56 |
|
chris |
or do i need to bulkmarcimport them then load them into zebra .. or even bulkmarcimport them into 2.2.x copy the db to my dev_week, run the convert scripts then load the marc files into zebra ? |
| 15:56 |
|
chris |
ok thats more than one question :) |
| 16:05 |
|
chris |
and when youve digested that, theres finally some interesting discussion on ngc4lib :) |
| 16:12 |
|
chris |
ohh and evegreen is live today eh |
| 16:45 |
|
kados |
yes, bulkmarcimport should work |
| 16:46 |
|
kados |
it should import into koha tables, sql and index in zebra |
| 16:46 |
|
chris |
cool thanks |
| 16:46 |
|
kados |
but you won't be able to reindex the set without exporting first |
| 16:46 |
|
kados |
and yea, I've been following the ngc4lib bit |
| 16:47 |
|
chris |
ahh right |
| 16:47 |
|
chris |
second question then ... can i get a bunch of marc records from you :-) |
| 16:47 |
|
chris |
if you have a library that doesnt mind us using them for testing |
| 16:47 |
|
kados |
should have them already |
| 16:48 |
|
kados |
lemme check for the link |
| 16:48 |
|
chris |
ahh did bob email and ask for some? |
| 16:48 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 16:48 |
|
chris |
ahh sweet as, ignore me then |
| 16:49 |
|
kados |
http://liblime.com/public/192records.utf8.mrc |
| 17:29 |
|
hdl |
chris : what is ngc4lib ? |
| 17:30 |
|
chris |
hi hdl |
| 17:30 |
|
hdl |
hi chris. |
| 17:30 |
|
chris |
its next gen catalogue for libraries, mailing list |
| 17:30 |
|
chris |
mostly its people complaining about stuff |
| 17:31 |
|
chris |
but sometimes it has good discussions |
| 17:31 |
|
chris |
ill find the link |
| 17:31 |
|
hdl |
seen crayon has much chance to be a girl GOOOD. |
| 17:31 |
|
dewey |
I haven't seen 'crayon', hdl |
| 17:31 |
|
chris |
http://dewey.library.nd.edu/ma[…]ng-lists/ngc4lib/ |
| 17:32 |
|
chris |
yep, we'll find out in a few weeks for sure |
| 20:36 |
|
speedyfs |
Hi |
| 20:37 |
|
chris |
hi |
| 20:37 |
|
dewey |
hello, chris |
| 20:37 |
|
speedyfs |
my libraryan seems to be having a problem adding books to koha |
| 20:38 |
|
chris |
in what way? |
| 20:38 |
|
speedyfs |
if i got to |
| 20:39 |
|
speedyfs |
add marc record with framwork and type in the isbn |
| 20:39 |
|
speedyfs |
it says Z3950 search results nothing found |
| 20:40 |
|
speedyfs |
still ?? requests to go |
| 20:40 |
|
speedyfs |
im not sure y that is |
| 20:40 |
|
chris |
have you started the z3950 daemon running? |
| 20:41 |
|
speedyfs |
how would i start it |
| 20:42 |
|
chris |
i guess not then :) |
| 20:42 |
|
speedyfs |
lol |
| 20:42 |
|
chris |
2 secs ill find the mail that explains |
| 20:42 |
|
chris |
it |
| 20:43 |
|
chris |
cd /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/z3950daemon (if thats where its installed on your system) |
| 20:43 |
|
chris |
./z3950-daemon-launch.sh |
| 20:43 |
|
chris |
probably need sudo, or to be root to do that |
| 20:45 |
|
speedyfs |
./z... starts it |
| 20:45 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 20:45 |
|
speedyfs |
sorry that was a ? |
| 20:45 |
|
speedyfs |
doing that will start it? |
| 20:45 |
|
chris |
yes |
| 20:45 |
|
chris |
http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]/2006/009876.html |
| 20:45 |
|
chris |
is probably helpful too |
| 20:45 |
|
speedyfs |
cool |
| 20:46 |
|
speedyfs |
do i have to restart anything? |
| 20:46 |
|
chris |
not if you had set all your z3950 things up in the admin interface already |
| 20:48 |
|
speedyfs |
hmm.... |
| 20:48 |
|
speedyfs |
i have the library of congress server in the servers list |
| 20:48 |
|
speedyfs |
i guess somethings not set up right |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
whats the ranking on it? |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
Did you leave the ranking on the list as zero? If so, that server will |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
> not be |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
> searched. |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
so maybe change it to 1 |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
and restart the z3950 daemon |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
you can check if its running ok |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
by looking in /usr/local/koha/log |
| 20:51 |
|
chris |
there will be a file there z3950-daemon-something-something.log |
| 20:53 |
|
speedyfs |
cant locate net/z3950.pm |
| 20:53 |
|
chris |
there we go |
| 20:53 |
|
chris |
you'll need to install that to get z3950 working |
| 20:54 |
|
chris |
you can get it from cpan |
| 20:54 |
|
speedyfs |
i installed it |
| 20:55 |
|
speedyfs |
it says it was aborted on line 11 of processz3950queue |
| 20:55 |
|
chris |
yep thats teh use use Net::Z3950; line |
| 20:56 |
|
chris |
perl -MNet::Z3950 -v |
| 20:56 |
|
chris |
what does that tell you |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
hmm actually ignore that |
| 20:58 |
|
chris |
perl -MNet::Z3950 -e 'print "hello\";' |
| 20:58 |
|
chris |
what happens if you run that at the commandline |
| 20:59 |
|
speedyfs |
same thing |
| 21:00 |
|
speedyfs |
as before |
| 21:00 |
|
chris |
right so its not installed |
| 21:00 |
|
speedyfs |
connot locate |
| 21:00 |
|
chris |
not anywhere that perl can find it anyway |
| 21:02 |
|
speedyfs |
ok |
| 21:11 |
|
speedyfs |
i tried reinstalling it |
| 21:12 |
|
speedyfs |
but i doesnt seem to wokr |
| 21:12 |
|
chris |
i seem to remember it was tricky to install |
| 21:14 |
|
speedyfs |
it say net::z3950 is up to date now |
| 21:14 |
|
chris |
and perl -MNet::Z3950 -e 'print "hello\";' works? |
| 21:15 |
|
speedyfs |
no |
| 21:17 |
|
speedyfs |
same error |
| 21:17 |
|
chris |
well where the heck did it install it then i wonder? |
| 21:18 |
|
chris |
perl -MCPAN -e 'install Net::Z3950' |
| 21:18 |
|
chris |
is that how you installed it? |
| 21:19 |
|
speedyfs |
it said it installed to /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7/Net |
| 21:19 |
|
chris |
right |
| 21:19 |
|
chris |
what does perl -v tell you |
| 21:20 |
|
chris |
v5.8.7 ? |
| 21:20 |
|
speedyfs |
yes |
| 21:20 |
|
chris |
well i have no idea then |
| 21:20 |
|
speedyfs |
::sigh:: |
| 21:20 |
|
speedyfs |
lol |
| 21:20 |
|
chris |
seems somethign weird with your perl |
| 21:22 |
|
chris |
perl -MNet::Z3950 -e 'print "hello\n";' (its should be, i missed the n) but i bet that will give the same error |
| 21:22 |
|
chris |
on my machine i get |
| 21:22 |
|
chris |
chris orbweb:/var/log/apache2$ perl -MNet::Z3950 -e 'print "hello\n";' |
| 21:22 |
|
chris |
hello |
| 21:22 |
|
dewey |
niihau, chris |
| 21:24 |
|
speedyfs |
it says hello |
| 21:25 |
|
speedyfs |
it worked |
| 21:25 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 21:25 |
|
chris |
try starting your z3950 daemon again |
| 21:25 |
|
speedyfs |
ok |
| 21:26 |
|
speedyfs |
when i start is anything suppose to come up |
| 21:27 |
|
chris |
no |
| 21:28 |
|
speedyfs |
UR THE MAN YES!!! |
| 21:28 |
|
speedyfs |
it works |
| 21:28 |
|
speedyfs |
now |
| 21:28 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 21:28 |
|
chris |
you might want to see that as an init.d script, so the z3950 daemon is started if the server is rebooted or anything |
| 21:30 |
|
speedyfs |
ok now it checks 3 or 4 times then finds the books then it goes to 404 not found |
| 21:31 |
|
chris |
yeah thats a template error |
| 21:31 |
|
chris |
it works with teh default templates, there is a bug in the npl ones |
| 21:31 |
|
chris |
its been fixed, for the next version |
| 21:31 |
|
chris |
lemme find you the fix |
| 21:35 |
|
chris |
hmm cant find it |
| 21:35 |
|
chris |
can u just try chaning to the default templates and check it works there |
| 21:36 |
|
speedyfs |
so if i put it on its default it'll work |
| 21:36 |
|
speedyfs |
ok |
| 21:37 |
|
chris |
it should yes |
| 21:38 |
|
chris |
ahh found the fix |
| 21:38 |
|
chris |
http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org[…].2.2.2&r1=1.2.2.1 |
| 21:38 |
|
chris |
specficcally |
| 21:38 |
|
chris |
<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="refresh" --> |
| 21:39 |
|
chris |
and the matching <!-- /TMPL_IF --> |
| 21:39 |
|
chris |
need to be added to the template |
| 21:39 |
|
chris |
or you can use the defulat ones |
| 21:39 |
|
chris |
hi tumer |
| 21:39 |
|
dewey |
hi tumer is still strugling |
| 21:39 |
|
tumer |
hi chris |
| 21:40 |
|
chris |
hows sunny cyprus? |
| 21:40 |
|
tumer |
very hor |
| 21:40 |
|
tumer |
hot |
| 21:40 |
|
speedyfs |
ok the tmpl default works like you said |
| 21:41 |
|
tumer |
whats new? i have been away for some time |
| 21:44 |
|
chris |
hmm not too much, ive been pretty busy, we just had another library go live on last friday |
| 21:44 |
|
chris |
so ive been tidying up all the little bits and pieces we missed :) |
| 21:45 |
|
chris |
how bout with you? busy as always im guessing |
| 21:45 |
|
tumer |
well i better read the logs. Done some holidays and almost finished rel_3.2 |
| 21:45 |
|
chris |
woot |
| 21:45 |
|
chris |
excelletn |
| 21:46 |
|
tumer |
i have to do the acqusitions bit as well though |
| 21:47 |
|
chris |
ahh right |
| 21:47 |
|
tumer |
no more utf8 problems- no more marc all XML |
| 21:47 |
|
chris |
that sounds so much better |
| 21:48 |
|
tumer |
i have 80 library directors coming next week have to show them KOHA |
| 21:49 |
|
chris |
ohh excellent, i hope that goes well |
| 21:49 |
|
chris |
we have the library conference of nz coming up in august |
| 21:49 |
|
chris |
sorry october |
| 21:50 |
|
tumer |
by then you probably will be able to show them all the goodies |
| 21:50 |
|
chris |
excellent that would be fantastic, now the library has gone live, ill have some time to do some testing/bugfixing etc if you need that |
| 21:51 |
|
tumer |
yeah great after next week |
| 21:51 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 21:51 |
|
tumer |
nice talking to you i have to sleep |
| 21:52 |
|
chris |
sleep well, cya later |
| 21:52 |
|
tumer |
gnight |
| 21:54 |
|
speedyfs |
thanks chris you fixed that too |
| 21:54 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 21:55 |
|
speedyfs |
yeah im working at a new school and were using linux and like all open source software |
| 21:55 |
|
speedyfs |
so its kinda hard learning everyting |
| 21:56 |
|
speedyfs |
i appreciate everyones help |
| 21:56 |
|
chris |
no problem |
| 21:57 |
|
speedyfs |
i hope my librarian has no more problems with it |
| 21:57 |
|
speedyfs |
thanx gnite |
| 21:57 |
|
chris |
night |
| 02:02 |
|
osmoze |
hello |
| 02:21 |
|
btoumi |
hi all |
| 02:30 |
|
toins |
hi all |
| 02:35 |
|
hdl |
tumer there ? |
| 02:36 |
|
hdl |
good sleep tumer. |
| 02:37 |
|
hdl |
the warrior rest |
| 09:40 |
|
tumer |
hdl:around? |
| 09:40 |
|
paul |
hi tumer. |
| 09:40 |
|
dewey |
hi tumer is still strugling |
| 09:40 |
|
paul |
hdl should not be too far... |
| 09:40 |
|
tumer |
hi paul? |
| 09:40 |
|
tumer |
hdl seems to be looking for me, what up? |
| 09:41 |
|
hdl |
hi |
| 09:41 |
|
dewey |
salut, hdl |
| 09:41 |
|
paul |
I think it was about the koha-devel question |
| 09:41 |
|
tumer |
hi |
| 09:41 |
|
dewey |
privet, tumer |
| 09:41 |
|
tumer |
surgeant dewey |
| 09:41 |
|
hdl |
tumer : it was about koha-devel question and also about utf-8. |
| 09:42 |
|
tumer |
shoot |
| 09:42 |
|
hdl |
UTF-8 first : |
| 09:42 |
|
hdl |
is HTML::Template::Pro enough for utf-8 management. |
| 09:43 |
|
hdl |
It seems to me yes. for what I could judge. |
| 09:43 |
|
tumer |
necessary but we have to use Encode as well |
| 09:43 |
|
hdl |
When ? |
| 09:43 |
|
tumer |
well for HEAD we have to but rel_2 should be ok with it |
| 09:44 |
|
hdl |
Is it for xml processing without loosing utf-8 encodings ? |
| 09:44 |
|
tumer |
yes for that i have to use Encode |
| 09:44 |
|
hdl |
Is it for DBI utf-8 management ? |
| 09:45 |
|
tumer |
all xml management DB or Zebra |
| 09:45 |
|
hdl |
and use utf8; pragma doesnot help in no way ? |
| 09:46 |
|
tumer |
HTML::Tempalte::Pro solves our CGI problems |
| 09:46 |
|
tumer |
use utf8 is useless |
| 09:46 |
|
hdl |
Have you tried #!/usr/bin/perl -COE pragma in your 1st line ? |
| 09:46 |
|
tumer |
we actually have to set the flags ourselves |
| 09:47 |
|
hdl |
Why this ? |
| 09:47 |
|
tumer |
hdl: i solved this UTF-8 problem i think and by adding a couple of encode or decode did no harm to new code |
| 09:48 |
|
hdl |
OK. code committed ? |
| 09:48 |
|
tumer |
hdl: you remember MARC problem we didcussed? |
| 09:49 |
|
hdl |
tumer: which one ? It's been a hell of a time we last spoke. |
| 09:49 |
|
tumer |
i was saying MARC was buggy. But its not all our packages for XML does the same thing |
| 09:49 |
|
hdl |
YEAh. |
| 09:49 |
|
hdl |
MARC::Charset seemed to double encode. |
| 09:49 |
|
tumer |
so now i fully follow the strict guidelines |
| 09:50 |
|
tumer |
MARC is functioning correctly, Charset or XML whatever |
| 09:50 |
|
tumer |
its the other packages HTML::Template that was causing the problem |
| 09:50 |
|
hdl |
About your version for HEAD. Are you using zebra version 2.0 ? |
| 09:51 |
|
tumer |
any non UTF8 aware package will create the same problem |
| 09:51 |
|
tumer |
i am using Zebra 2.0 but t works with 1.4 as well |
| 09:52 |
|
hdl |
tumer : yes : that was my conclusion at least for CGI and DBI about. |
| 09:52 |
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tumer |
The double encoding is due to half our data having flags set (from MARC) and the rest not |
| 09:52 |
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tumer |
Pro solves that problem |
| 09:53 |
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hdl |
It seems that zebra2.0 introduced a new xml configuration standard. |
| 09:53 |
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hdl |
Is not that what you used ? |
| 09:53 |
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tumer |
yes now batch xml indexing is possible |
| 09:54 |
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tumer |
by the way i have installed HEAD to our library and have been debugging it last 2 weeks |
| 09:54 |
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tumer |
ALL XML |
| 09:54 |
|
tumer |
except breeding farm |
| 09:54 |
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hdl |
I mean, indeed, seems to me that record.abs syntax is quite a cryptic file. |
| 09:55 |
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tumer |
have you seen the neew indexing file i committed? |
| 09:55 |
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tumer |
koha2index.xml |
| 09:55 |
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hdl |
yes. |
| 09:55 |
|
tumer |
more managable |
| 09:55 |
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hdl |
But I thought it worked only with zebra 2.0 |
| 09:55 |
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tumer |
works with 1.4 but now i upgraded to 2 |
| 09:56 |
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hdl |
COOL. |
| 09:56 |
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tumer |
1.4 was never officially released anyeway |
| 09:56 |
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hdl |
I have tried to make a dtd for frameworks so taht they could be in xml files. |
| 09:57 |
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hdl |
But still under nightly construction so not too quick. |
| 09:57 |
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tumer |
well i tried an xml stylesheet for results and it works nicely |
| 09:58 |
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tumer |
but no time for that now later after i finish debugging |
| 09:59 |
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tumer |
once i commit i would kikw you to merge your AUthority stuff to HEAd as i did not understand it i could not write it with XML |
| 10:00 |
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hdl |
Ok. |
| 10:00 |
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hdl |
I will have to understand your code. |
| 10:00 |
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tumer |
i will be around |
| 10:01 |
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tumer |
Currently trying to fix a bug with add biblio and marchtml2xml |
| 10:02 |
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tumer |
when you add more than one field marchtml2xml puts them all in one field |
| 10:02 |
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tumer |
I added a new index to addbiblio.pl and solved the problem of adding multiple authorities |
| 10:03 |
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tumer |
they will have to be implemented in rel_2 as well |
