| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 15:52 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 16:30 |
|
kados |
very well |
| 16:31 |
|
chris |
excellent |
| 16:31 |
|
kados |
we should sign with them within a couple weeks if the contract negitiation goes smoothly :-) |
| 16:31 |
|
chris |
all good |
| 16:31 |
|
kados |
they were very impressed with the search |
| 16:31 |
|
kados |
so staying up till 5am paid off :-) |
| 16:34 |
|
chris |
glad to hear it :-) |
| 16:38 |
|
kados |
the search is really getting there |
| 16:38 |
|
kados |
I'm hoping to work a bit more on it this weekend |
| 16:38 |
|
kados |
then I need to tackle the adds/edits in zebra |
| 16:38 |
|
kados |
deletes too |
| 16:38 |
|
chris |
right, thats the next tricky bit |
| 16:38 |
|
kados |
once I verify it's working, we can release 2.3.0 |
| 16:38 |
|
chris |
sweet |
| 16:39 |
|
chris |
we'll have to do some work on the installer |
| 16:39 |
|
kados |
yea ... on that ... |
| 16:39 |
|
kados |
I can't really see a way around doing configuration manually |
| 16:39 |
|
kados |
especially for MARC21 vs UNIMARC |
| 16:39 |
|
chris |
but once things are working we can do a tar ball |
| 16:39 |
|
chris |
run the installer and work out what we can automate and what we have left to do manually |
| 16:39 |
|
kados |
we almost need a UNIMARC template |
| 16:40 |
|
kados |
because the attributes for, say, language search, will be different in a unimarc setup |
| 16:40 |
|
chris |
right |
| 16:40 |
|
kados |
as unimarc's fields are in different places |
| 16:40 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 16:40 |
|
kados |
someone with unimarc clients will have to become a zebra expert :-) |
| 16:41 |
|
kados |
though maybe we could get thd to map between the two |
| 16:41 |
|
kados |
he seems to have a handle on both |
| 16:41 |
|
thd |
yes |
| 16:41 |
|
kados |
hey thd |
| 16:41 |
|
chris |
basically i think what we will end up having is sets of templates |
| 16:41 |
|
kados |
thd: have you tried the latest instantiation of the zoomopac? |
| 16:41 |
|
thd |
bad bad bad |
| 16:41 |
|
chris |
and sets of system preferences |
| 16:42 |
|
chris |
that people chose from when they install, to give them a basis, and then tweak from there |
| 16:42 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 16:42 |
|
chris |
we are getting quite a few templates |
| 16:42 |
|
chris |
sorry system prefs |
| 16:42 |
|
thd |
koha should be multi-MARC but that would break too many things for 3.0 |
| 16:42 |
|
kados |
thd: not necessarily |
| 16:43 |
|
kados |
thd: no reason we can't be multi-MARC still |
| 16:43 |
|
kados |
it just means we need some UNIMARC person to become an expert on how to index zebra based on unimarc settings |
| 16:43 |
|
thd |
kados: what I mean is that Koha could have a multiple MARC frameworks for multiple MARC flavours and store them all at the same time with conversions between them. |
| 16:44 |
|
kados |
that might work |
| 16:44 |
|
kados |
but some things are incompatible |
| 16:44 |
|
kados |
like subjects |
| 16:44 |
|
kados |
and encodings |
| 16:44 |
|
chris |
i dont see the point |
| 16:44 |
|
chris |
but i might be missing something |
| 16:44 |
|
thd |
kados: they are not incompatible but that is a secret |
| 16:44 |
|
kados |
ie, there's no way to properly store a non-MARC8 non-UTF8 encoded UNINMARC record |
| 16:45 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 16:45 |
|
kados |
anyway ... I'm far too tired to discuss MARC :-) |
| 16:45 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 16:45 |
|
kados |
only got about two hours last night |
| 16:45 |
|
kados |
so I'm gonna head out for a drink and turn in early |
| 16:45 |
|
thd |
kados: my z39.50 client does ISO-5226 to UTF-8 conversion |
| 16:46 |
|
kados |
thd: ping me tomorrow about it, I am interested :-) |
| 16:46 |
|
thd |
s/5226/5426/ |
| 16:47 |
|
thd |
kados: just look at it again. I discovered PHP ISO 2709 class written in French that provided that simple conversion |
| 16:48 |
|
thd |
kados: Of course Perl has MAB::Encode or whatever it is called |
| 16:51 |
|
thd |
good night kados |
| 19:24 |
|
mason |
|
| 02:02 |
|
paul |
hello alaurin |
| 02:03 |
|
alaurin |
hi |
| 02:03 |
|
dewey |
privet, alaurin |
| 02:07 |
|
paul |
hi pierrick |
| 02:08 |
|
pierrick |
hi paul |
| 02:08 |
|
btoumi |
hi all |
| 02:08 |
|
paul |
et c'est à nouveau l'envahissement du canal par les français... |
| 02:17 |
|
btoumi |
bon ca va alors je m'en vais si on est trop en plus y a un match |
| 02:17 |
|
btoumi |
lol |
| 02:18 |
|
paul |
un match ? de quoi ? |
| 02:18 |
|
paul |
à cette heure ? |
| 02:33 |
|
btoumi |
non mais faut ce preparer lol |
| 02:55 |
|
btoumi |
hi toins |
| 02:55 |
|
ToinS |
salut btoumi |
| 02:56 |
|
btoumi |
toins:ca va bien |
| 02:56 |
|
btoumi |
? |
| 02:56 |
|
ToinS |
très bien ! |
| 02:56 |
|
ToinS |
et toi ? |
| 02:56 |
|
btoumi |
cav bien |
| 06:02 |
|
chris |
hmmm |
| 06:03 |
|
chris |
can i stay up till 3.30am to watch the football |
| 06:03 |
|
chris |
i think the answer is no |
| 06:18 |
|
Strait |
yippee! it works :) |
| 06:18 |
|
Strait |
finally |
| 06:19 |
|
Strait |
wasn't too easy though |
| 06:19 |
|
chris |
ohhh you got it all installed? well done |
| 06:19 |
|
Strait |
yep |
| 06:20 |
|
Strait |
as a regular user without root access to mysql |
| 06:20 |
|
chris |
sweet |
| 06:20 |
|
Strait |
i had to change the installer a bit |
| 06:21 |
|
Strait |
there could be an option "use already created database user... blah... blah... blah... in the installer" |
| 06:22 |
|
chris |
yep, that could be done |
| 06:23 |
|
Strait |
that would only do mysql -u $user koha < koha.mysql -p |
| 06:23 |
|
chris |
yeah, then run the upgrade script |
| 06:23 |
|
Strait |
should be fairly easy to do also :) |
| 06:24 |
|
chris |
updatedatabase i mean |
| 06:24 |
|
Strait |
yep |
| 06:24 |
|
chris |
yep, just needs someone to do it :-) |
| 06:24 |
|
Strait |
i'm not a perl expert, but i could give it a go |
| 06:25 |
|
Strait |
it doesn't look too difficult |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
we have to do some work on the installer over the next few days |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
so ill take a look then too |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
its a bit late in the night for my brain to work good tonight :) |
| 06:26 |
|
Strait |
14.26 here ;) |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
11.26pm friday here |
| 06:26 |
|
Strait |
but i'll have to create users and branches to koha |
| 06:27 |
|
Strait |
and set up issuing rules and all that |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
right |
| 06:27 |
|
btoumi |
hi all |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
hiya bruno |
| 06:27 |
|
Strait |
i'll look into it next week |
| 06:27 |
|
Strait |
hello |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
cool thanks strait |
| 06:37 |
|
btoumi |
hi chris |
| 06:38 |
|
btoumi |
hi strait |
| 06:45 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 06:50 |
|
chris |
night all |
| 06:55 |
|
Strait |
good night |
| 08:04 |
|
paul |
kados around ? |
| 08:08 |
|
kados |
paul: yep |
| 08:08 |
|
paul |
about clonetag&subfield problem |
| 08:08 |
|
paul |
it's not a html2marc problem |
| 08:08 |
|
kados |
sure |
| 08:08 |
|
paul |
it's a html problem. |
| 08:09 |
|
paul |
because I even don't get the values in the CGI |
| 08:09 |
|
paul |
I know. |
| 08:09 |
|
paul |
i'm copying npl templates to default. |
| 08:09 |
|
kados |
but I do know that thd has done extensive testing on the npl version |
| 08:09 |
|
paul |
but I get a bug with authorities popup |
| 08:09 |
|
kados |
could be ... |
| 08:09 |
|
paul |
where is your openAuth function hidden ? |
| 08:09 |
|
kados |
you'd have to ask owen |
| 08:09 |
|
kados |
I think it's in a seprate js file |
| 08:10 |
|
kados |
grep openAuth includes/ |
| 08:10 |
|
paul |
mmm... strange, it's nowhere. |
| 08:10 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 08:10 |
|
kados |
maybe the problem :-) |
| 08:10 |
|
paul |
do you use authorities with npl marc editor ? |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
yes |
| 08:11 |
|
paul |
a link to a working marc editor pls ? |
| 08:11 |
|
paul |
(npl one) |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
I noticed yesterday that the liblime demo is badly broken :-) |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
not the marc editor |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
but the whole system :-) |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
kados / owen : don't bother to port default changes I made to handle mandatory fields/subfields to npl |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
I did it ;-) |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
(hello owen) |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
but I still can't understand why MARC editor works fine with NPL & not with default templates... |
| 08:40 |
|
paul |
ok, it works. I just have to tweak my css. |
| 08:40 |
|
paul |
I think there is a minor diff in <div>s, that I missed |
| 08:40 |
|
paul |
but that are important for cloning fields & subfields |
| 08:41 |
|
paul |
yes, it has to be cleaned, you're right... |
| 08:42 |
|
paul |
where are the styles defined in npl theme ? |
| 08:45 |
|
owen |
intranet.css, colors.css, and maybe marc-editor.css I'm not sure if that last one is in use |
| 08:46 |
|
paul |
thx |
| 09:06 |
|
kados |
owen: got a sec? |
| 09:06 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 09:07 |
|
kados |
owen: I'm wondering if you've been following the Mellon thread on koha list |
| 09:07 |
|
owen |
Not closely, but yes |
| 09:07 |
|
kados |
Brooke just responded to my post this morning |
| 09:08 |
|
kados |
and I'm not sure she understands how the mellon works ... |
| 09:08 |
|
owen |
I hadn't seen that one yet. |
| 09:08 |
|
kados |
but I could use another set of eyes to confirm my understanding |
| 09:10 |
|
owen |
I don't know about the Mellon rules, but I agree with your point of view that it would be better for a Foundation to manage the grant than a single company |
| 09:10 |
|
kados |
here are the rules: |
| 09:10 |
|
kados |
they include: |
| 09:10 |
|
kados |
will recognize not-for-profit organizations that are making substantial contributions of their own resources toward the development of open source software and the fostering of collaborative communities to sustain open source development. |
| 09:11 |
|
kados |
here are the criteria for the organization: |
| 09:11 |
|
kados |
http://www.mellon.org/MellonGeneral.htm |
| 09:11 |
|
kados |
which includes "evidence of suitable classification by the Internal Revenue Service" |
| 09:11 |
|
kados |
I'm not sure a library fits the bill there, but it might |
| 09:11 |
|
kados |
if so, maybe NPL could be the recipient |
| 09:11 |
|
kados |
though I'm not sure you've got a staff member who could devote time to it |
| 09:12 |
|
paul |
isn't owen a staff member :-D |
| 09:12 |
|
owen |
I'd be the only candidate, and I don't know the first thing about grant-writing (and don't really have the time for it) |
| 09:13 |
|
paul |
otherwise, i'm sure that ENSMP will be happy to spend time on this, if it is possible to have an NPO from outside of US |
| 09:13 |
|
owen |
I'd take the job if that was our only option |
| 09:13 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 09:13 |
|
kados |
I think it's important for an employee of a non-profit to asnwer brooke |
| 09:14 |
|
kados |
so either ENSMP or Owen :-) |
| 09:15 |
|
owen |
I can write something today expressing my point of view. Essentially: I like the foundation idea, and I don't think NPL has the resources to manage the grant |
| 09:16 |
|
kados |
right |
| 09:16 |
|
kados |
brooke might not understand that there is no official organization that is 'koha' |
| 09:16 |
|
owen |
In fact, it's the post-grant-writing part that I'd be most concerned about WRT NPL's involvement |
| 09:16 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 09:17 |
|
kados |
this is why we need the non-profit |
| 09:21 |
|
owen |
The tough job, however, will be getting everyone's participation in the Foundation |
| 09:22 |
|
owen |
We'll need involvement from everyone in order to make the grant really effective |
| 09:28 |
|
kados |
well ... |
| 09:28 |
|
kados |
IMO, the foundation will basically just act as a funnel |
| 09:28 |
|
kados |
if we have some folks who are writing grants and specs for features |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
and then asking for koha companies to submit bids to do the work |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
I think it'll work quite well |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
then, as the foundation begins to establish itself |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
it can take on other roles |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
maybe even project management eventually |
| 09:29 |
|
paul |
ENSMP has many ideas for OPAC & wanted to fund them this year, so we could ask pascale. |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 09:30 |
|
owen |
So the foundation receives the grant, and then parcels out money based on requests by Koha users? |
| 09:30 |
|
kados |
paul++ on the one tab! |
| 09:30 |
|
kados |
owen: basically |
| 09:31 |
|
kados |
owen: as you well know, requests by Koha users don't really come in 'specification' format |
| 09:31 |
|
kados |
owen: so the foundation can parse those requests, and write them in software development terms |
| 09:31 |
|
paul |
wow... kados reads mails very very quickly !!! |
| 09:31 |
|
owen |
But who is "the foundation" ? |
| 09:32 |
|
owen |
Who's doing that writing? |
| 09:33 |
|
kados |
owen: what we're doing ... is forming the organization |
| 09:33 |
|
kados |
owen: once it's formed, LibLime will make a contribution (probably) |
| 09:33 |
|
kados |
owen: then the organization can hire a grant writer to write a given grant |
| 09:34 |
|
kados |
owen: once the process gets started, it will be easy to maintain I think |
| 09:35 |
|
owen |
When I said we'd need involvement from everyone I was just thinking in terms of: How do make the foundation happen without the financial burden being on Liblime |
| 09:35 |
|
kados |
right |
| 09:35 |
|
kados |
well ... there's another way the org can collect money |
| 09:35 |
|
kados |
say a bunch of libraries in Ohio want a given feature |
| 09:36 |
|
kados |
and they need a non-profit to represent them |
| 09:36 |
|
kados |
as a group |
| 09:36 |
|
owen |
Sure, absolutely. |
| 09:37 |
|
kados |
but really, we're happy to contribute to the foundation, we can deduct it, and it's going to help foster the project as a whole |
| 09:39 |
|
paul |
the indenting owen, just the identing |
| 09:40 |
|
paul |
almost everything on the same line, with loops & if & unless deeply nested |
| 09:40 |
|
paul |
i changes nothing at all. |
| 09:41 |
|
owen |
Oh, in addbiblio.tmpl |
| 09:41 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 09:43 |
|
paul |
hehe... pierrick is publishing pictures of the kohaCon on le-gall.net |
| 09:44 |
|
pierrick |
http://le-gall.net/pierrick/ph[…]php?/category/310 |
| 09:52 |
|
kados |
owen: can you change the 'button' for browse to a 'checkbox'? |
| 09:52 |
|
kados |
owen: and no need to have more than one |
| 09:52 |
|
kados |
i think |
| 09:53 |
|
owen |
Oh, I see... just have the check box on the first one and they can chage the drop-down if they want to browse by something else. That makes sense |
| 09:53 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 09:56 |
|
kados |
I can see expanding how this works in the future, but for right now, I'd just like to see it work period :-) |
| 09:56 |
|
kados |
and I wrote ID about the query validation question |
| 09:56 |
|
kados |
I think we could probably announce it to NPL staff on Monday |
| 09:57 |
|
kados |
as a 'beta' |
| 09:57 |
|
owen |
I thought we might have Ken take a crack at it even before that. What do you think? |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
definitely |
| 09:58 |
|
owen |
Oh, never mind. He's off on Monday and Tuesday. |
| 09:58 |
|
owen |
He's working tomorrow, but I don't know if he'll have time for it |
| 09:59 |
|
johnb |
Been away from my desk, just saw the conversation about Mellon. A few thoughts clarifications: |
| 10:00 |
|
johnb |
1. Most libraries that are set up outside of government control our non-profit and our recognized by the IRS as 501c3's |
| 10:01 |
|
johnb |
2. The organization that receives the grant usually takes a percentage of the total grant as an administrative fee usually 5 to 10 percent |
| 10:02 |
|
johnb |
3. Administrating grants is usually not a full time position unless the grant is very large (7 figures plus) |
| 10:03 |
|
johnb |
4. There are individuals who can help write grants, or you can go to an organization with a proven track record |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
good points johnb |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
johnb: would CCFLS like to be the recipient? |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
johnb: you'd have my blessing :-) |
| 10:05 |
|
johnb |
5. The important thing to remember about grants is that the grants are usually given to organizations that have a proven track record not necessarily the best written grant, |
| 10:05 |
|
johnb |
CCfls is always looking for funding through grants. |
| 10:08 |
|
johnb |
We would be glad to help out in anyway |
| 10:09 |
|
paul |
kados : is there a reason why cloneSubfield insert a subfield BEFORE the existing one ? |
| 10:09 |
|
paul |
ppl usually enter most important values 1st, to a clone would be better AFTER imho |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
paul: there is a reason |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
paul: let me try to remember |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
it has to do with how the '+' follows the subfield I believe |
| 10:10 |
|
paul |
maybe because there is no "InsertAfter" and it has to be emulated & taht don't work ? |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
well ... |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
currently, it will insert the value too |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
so if you type: |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
200$aSome Author |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
and you click on '+' |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
you'll get: |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
200$aSome Author $aSome Author |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
so all that's left is: |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
delete the value from the original |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
and it works exactly as you want :-) |
| 10:12 |
|
kados |
(if my memory serves me correctly, I haven't looked at the code in a while) |
| 10:14 |
|
btoumi |
bye all good week end |
| 10:18 |
|
osmoze |
bon week end btoumi |
| 10:19 |
|
btoumi |
:osmoze de meme |
| 10:23 |
|
paul |
bye btoumi |
| 10:25 |
|
btoumi |
bye |
| 10:37 |
|
kados |
owen: browse working |
| 10:37 |
|
kados |
owen: well ... not fully yet ... but first time it actually returned results :-) |
| 10:37 |
|
kados |
owen: doesn't distinguish between indexes yet either |
| 10:37 |
|
owen |
I was just about to ask :) |
| 10:38 |
|
kados |
owen: I've got the cql query working even with invalid CQL |
| 10:39 |
|
kados |
owen: I just basically test if it's valid, and if not, I pass it on enclosed in quotes |
| 10:39 |
|
kados |
I need users to tell me how good of a job it does |
| 10:39 |
|
owen |
I would suggest 'and's instead of quotes I think. |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
well ... |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
that gets really complicated |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
because there might already be ands |
| 10:40 |
|
owen |
right |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
and adding more will not make it valid CQL |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
so you have to submit the query sometime :-) |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
can't just keep adding ands and testing if it's valid :-) |
| 10:42 |
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kados |
owen: so do you have a sec to talk about how browse should work? |
| 10:42 |
|
owen |
Yeah, I think so |
| 10:43 |
|
kados |
do you like the way worldcat handles it? |
| 10:43 |
|
kados |
how does spydus do it? |
| 10:43 |
|
kados |
worldcat has a completely separate search tab for it |
| 10:44 |
|
kados |
and they let you select an index |
| 10:44 |
|
kados |
then, depending on which index you selected, it'll do a keyword search on that index |
| 10:44 |
|
kados |
when you click on the term |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
hey ... I just had an idea |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
what if all it does, is turn on the 'livesearch' |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
so you get a dropdown box with the index |
| 10:46 |
|
kados |
the livesearch is demoed here: |
| 10:46 |
|
kados |
http://labs.liblime.com/ |
| 10:48 |
|
owen |
Actually, take a look at O.U.'s library search, and try an author or title search. |
| 10:48 |
|
owen |
They do browse by default |
| 10:49 |
|
kados |
that's not browsing the index |
| 10:49 |
|
kados |
those are authorites records |
| 10:49 |
|
kados |
they seem similar |
| 10:49 |
|
owen |
All I can tell you is how I think it should work :) |
| 10:49 |
|
kados |
but really are quite different |
| 10:50 |
|
kados |
yea ... |
| 10:50 |
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kados |
SMFPL is sponsoring that for Koha |
| 10:50 |
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kados |
so it will work exactly as it does for OU |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
this browse is specifically for the indexes in Zebra |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
let me illustrate it |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
try: |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
'The Handmaid's Tale" |
| 10:52 |
|
kados |
since by default, it's doing a browse of the 'word' indexes |
| 10:52 |
|
kados |
it'll only find things with 'the*" |
| 10:52 |
|
kados |
if we did a phrase browse |
| 10:52 |
|
kados |
it would pull from the 'phrase' index |
| 10:53 |
|
kados |
same with the number index |
| 10:53 |
|
kados |
etc. |
| 10:54 |
|
owen |
keyword browse for 'The Handmai'd Tale' ? |
| 10:54 |
|
paul |
huray for ToinS ! |
| 10:54 |
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paul |
cloneTag & authority search problem solved ! |
| 10:54 |
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paul |
(even if the DOM is sometimes strange... : |
| 10:54 |
|
kados |
woot |
| 10:55 |
|
paul |
passing a "this" on a <a> means passing the href, and impossible to reach the parent, while passing this.parentNode works as expected |
| 10:55 |
|
paul |
) |
| 10:55 |
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kados |
owen: don't confuse 'indexes' with 'bib1 USE search points' |
| 10:56 |
|
owen |
I'm confused by your telling me not to be confused :) |
| 10:57 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 10:57 |
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kados |
sorry, I'm multitasking |
| 10:57 |
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kados |
didn't mean to sounds snippy |
| 10:58 |
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kados |
ok ... back to single-tasking |
| 10:58 |
|
kados |
so ... |
| 10:58 |
|
kados |
zebra has indexes that it queries when it's searching |
| 10:58 |
|
kados |
it has one for 'words' one for 'phrases' one for 'numbers' one for 'URLs' |
| 10:59 |
|
kados |
all 'scan' does, is return values from the index |
| 11:00 |
|
kados |
does that make sense? |
| 11:02 |
|
owen |
Yes...but I'm not sure that can be turned into a usable search given the examples you've shown me |
| 11:02 |
|
owen |
The "keyword (count)" results examples seem non very user-friendly to me |
| 11:12 |
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kados |
I wonder if the worldcat ones are user friendly |
| 11:12 |
|
kados |
right |
| 11:13 |
|
kados |
ok ... so if you do a keyword index browse |
| 11:13 |
|
kados |
for 'the handmaid' |
| 11:13 |
|
kados |
it works the same way as zebr |
| 11:13 |
|
kados |
zebra even |
| 11:13 |
|
kados |
but if you do a 'title phrase' |
| 11:13 |
|
kados |
it is more useful |
| 11:18 |
|
kados |
being able to scan an index is, I'm guessing, an advanced feature that mainly librarians and researches would find useful |
| 11:18 |
|
kados |
it's a way to validate whether a given term or phrase exists in the database |
| 11:18 |
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kados |
and see words/terms nearby |
| 11:19 |
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kados |
if it's ok with you, I'd like to implement it as another tab |
| 11:19 |
|
osmoze |
bye all |
| 11:19 |
|
kados |
or ... at least as a separate form on the power search |
| 11:20 |
|
kados |
bye osmoze |
| 11:20 |
|
thd |
bye osmoze |
| 11:20 |
|
kados |
hey thd |
| 11:20 |
|
thd |
yes |
| 11:20 |
|
kados |
thd: I've got some time to talk today when you're ready :-) |
| 11:20 |
|
owen |
how did you do the title phrase search on worldcat? |
| 11:20 |
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kados |
thd: did you see the new browse feature? |
| 11:20 |
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kados |
owen: click on the icon next to each field in the advanced search |
| 11:21 |
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kados |
owen: then from the 'indexed in' dropdown select 'title phrase' |
| 11:21 |
|
thd |
browsing is not real browsing if you start by searching but maybe I am also looking at the wrong URL |
| 11:21 |
|
thd |
kados: what is the URL |
| 11:21 |
|
thd |
? |
| 11:21 |
|
kados |
thd: zoomopac.liblime.com |
| 11:21 |
|
kados |
yea, it's not real browsing |
| 11:21 |
|
kados |
it's actually 'scanning' |
| 11:22 |
|
kados |
we should probably call it scanning |
| 11:22 |
|
kados |
'scan index' or something |
| 11:22 |
|
kados |
thd: go to the advanced search |
| 11:22 |
|
kados |
thd: and click on the checkbox for 'browse' |
| 11:24 |
|
thd |
kados: I have a could not be found error from zoompac.liblime.com |
| 11:24 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 11:24 |
|
kados |
thd: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ |
| 11:24 |
|
kados |
thd: it should work, working for me |
| 11:25 |
|
thd |
kados: I assume it is also working for owen? |
| 11:25 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 11:25 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 11:26 |
|
paul |
ok guys, bye bye, see you on monday ! |
| 11:26 |
|
paul_away |
(do we have a meeting on monday ?) |
| 11:26 |
|
thd |
kados: maybe it has not propagated fully |
| 11:26 |
|
kados |
thd: you sure it's not misspelled in your browser window? |
| 11:26 |
|
thd |
good evening paul_away |
| 11:27 |
|
thd |
kados: when is the next meeting? |
| 11:27 |
|
kados |
thd: probably wednesday at 20:00 GMT |
| 11:28 |
|
owen |
thd: I've been using that zoomopac link for several days now |
| 11:29 |
|
thd |
kados: I have http://zoompac.liblime.com/ copied from my URL textbox. How is it misspelt? |
| 11:29 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 11:29 |
|
kados |
strange |
| 11:29 |
|
kados |
maybe your DNS is not working |
| 11:29 |
|
owen |
http://zoomopac.liblime.com |
| 11:29 |
|
owen |
zoom opac |
| 11:30 |
|
owen |
Not zoom pac |
| 11:30 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 11:30 |
|
kados |
yea that's it :-) |
| 11:33 |
|
thd |
owen: so if kados is gone for 10 minutes, tell me what advantage this 'browse' feature might have? |
| 11:34 |
|
owen |
I'm still waiting for kados to sell me on the idea. A browse search as I understand it is different from the kind of search he's offering with zebra |
| 11:34 |
|
owen |
I understand a browse search as one that will let me see my search term in the context of a list of nearby search results |
| 11:34 |
|
thd |
own: yes that was my point so perhaps the name should be modified. |
| 11:35 |
|
owen |
Were you able to try the browse search on zoomopac.liblime.com? |
| 11:37 |
|
thd |
owen: yes, Is this actually meant to return a brief identifier for selecting an actual term to use as the '...' search does in 2.2 now? |
| 11:38 |
|
owen |
That's the way it worked in the WorldCat search Joshua showed me |
| 11:38 |
|
owen |
...but I don't know what his plans are for our version. |
| 11:40 |
|
thd |
owen: does WorldCat FirstSearch have a checkbox labelled browse? |
| 11:43 |
|
ToinS |
bye all !!!! |
| 11:43 |
|
thd |
goodbye ToinS |
| 11:54 |
|
thd |
kados: are you back? |
