| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:27 |
|
kados |
hi all |
| 11:27 |
|
paul |
hi kados |
| 11:27 |
|
kados |
paul RFID is english too :-) |
| 11:27 |
|
kados |
someday we might be able to afford it |
| 11:28 |
|
kados |
that's great! |
| 11:29 |
|
paul |
just to be sure : who should I ask for this travel ? Stephen ? |
| 11:29 |
|
kados |
it'll be nice to finally meet in real person :-) |
| 11:29 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 11:29 |
|
kados |
I think Stephen would be the one yes |
| 11:29 |
|
kados |
But I'm sure he will encourage it |
| 11:29 |
|
paul |
ok, i'll send him a mail. |
| 11:29 |
|
paul |
i'm not afraid ;-) |
| 11:30 |
|
paul |
we will probably be 3. |
| 11:30 |
|
paul |
me, 1 librarian, 1 developper |
| 11:30 |
|
paul |
Ouest Provence "gives" 2 dev (full time) & 1 project leader (half time) to their migration project |
| 11:31 |
|
kados |
paul where is koha 2.2 on sourceforge? (I don't see it on the main page) |
| 11:31 |
|
paul |
the link was in the mail : |
| 11:31 |
|
kados |
wow two more developers that's great |
| 11:32 |
|
paul |
http://sourceforge.net/project[…]release_id=283087 |
| 11:32 |
|
kados |
why not on the main page? |
| 11:32 |
|
paul |
note they will work on MIGRATION first. |
| 11:32 |
|
kados |
makes sense |
| 11:34 |
|
paul |
should be here, i don't know why it is not... |
| 11:34 |
|
kados |
should I bug it? |
| 11:34 |
|
paul |
at least ask on koha-dev if anybody has an idea ? |
| 11:54 |
|
kados |
paul ... quick question |
| 11:54 |
|
kados |
I just deleted an install of Koha on a test machine and reinstalled |
| 11:54 |
|
kados |
I get this error: |
| 11:54 |
|
kados |
0ERROR 1062 at line 1: Duplicate entry '%-Koha-kohaadmin' for key 1 |
| 11:54 |
|
kados |
my fault for not deleting |
| 11:54 |
|
kados |
is it a fatal error? |
| 11:55 |
|
paul |
not a problem |
| 11:55 |
|
kados |
ok thanks |
| 11:55 |
|
paul |
it's mysql security |
| 11:55 |
|
paul |
just 1 thing : |
| 11:55 |
|
paul |
the user in the reinstall has NOT been stored. |
| 11:55 |
|
paul |
you have the user of the 1st install |
| 11:55 |
|
paul |
(i mean for the password) |
| 11:55 |
|
kados |
ok same password :-) |
| 11:57 |
|
kados |
two minor installation bugs sofar |
| 11:57 |
|
kados |
860, 861 |
| 11:58 |
|
kados |
paul what is the select sql directory feature? |
| 11:58 |
|
paul |
phone ring |
| 11:58 |
|
kados |
who's there (sorry, bad american joke :0) |
| 12:00 |
|
paul |
it was Jacqueline ;-) |
| 12:00 |
|
paul |
it's a way to import sql datas during install stage |
| 12:00 |
|
paul |
for example, in french you have : |
| 12:00 |
|
paul |
* a lot of pre defined frameworks (6 iirc) |
| 12:01 |
|
paul |
for various type of material |
| 12:01 |
|
paul |
i'll add soon : |
| 12:01 |
|
paul |
* authorities for the 215-210 editor finder for christian editors |
| 12:01 |
|
paul |
* subjects from EMN |
| 12:01 |
|
paul |
... |
| 12:02 |
|
kados |
I see ... neat |
| 12:02 |
|
kados |
I'm thinking of writing a short script to make symlinks to a Koha CVS repository for right after a default install ... |
| 12:25 |
|
jmlongo |
hi there ! |
| 12:25 |
|
paul |
hello |
| 12:26 |
|
jmlongo |
congrats on the 2.2RC1 release :) |
| 12:26 |
|
paul |
thanks |
| 12:27 |
|
jmlongo |
I have it working on two libraries simultaneously... and I have a little problem with issues... |
| 12:28 |
|
jmlongo |
every time I issue a book... I get a message asking me to 'confirm' it |
| 12:28 |
|
paul |
without other informations ? |
| 12:28 |
|
paul |
this happends when there is a reason to ask for a confirm |
| 12:29 |
|
paul |
(it's empty when you issue a book that is requested. see previous mail on ml today) |
| 12:29 |
|
paul |
(bug on Koha 2.2.0RC1) |
| 12:29 |
|
jmlongo |
it says Too many issues (already issued / max : g 0 / 0) |
| 12:30 |
|
jmlongo |
it's like the max number of issues for every book is set to 0 |
| 12:30 |
|
paul |
ah, ok, i undersand : |
| 12:30 |
|
paul |
you MUST fill the issuingrules table |
| 12:31 |
|
paul |
it's a new table, that replace previous ones |
| 12:31 |
|
paul |
it's empty |
| 12:31 |
|
jmlongo |
but in my issuing rules table is set to 7,4 |
| 12:32 |
|
paul |
i've the solution too : |
| 12:32 |
|
paul |
it's the "g" that tells me ;-) |
| 12:32 |
|
jmlongo |
for each itemtype and each user's category |
| 12:32 |
|
paul |
yes, but the "g" means |
| 12:32 |
|
paul |
that for a given borrower category, but * itemtype, you've let the 0 value |
| 12:32 |
|
jmlongo |
great! :) |
| 12:33 |
|
paul |
so, the "children" can issue "10 book", but "0 anything" |
| 12:35 |
|
jmlongo |
sometimes is "g".. but sometimes it's a "c" |
| 12:36 |
|
paul |
the c is for "any borrowertype" |
| 12:36 |
|
paul |
so you've say "any one can issue up to 0 books" |
| 12:36 |
|
jmlongo |
ahhh.... so I have to fill in the "*" columns and rows! |
| 12:36 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 12:36 |
|
paul |
needs some doc on release notes... |
| 12:38 |
|
jmlongo |
ok.. I'll try it ... |
| 12:40 |
|
jmlongo |
and... of course... the message is gone! |
| 12:40 |
|
jmlongo |
thank you very much! |
| 12:42 |
|
jmlongo |
by the way... I'm half way translating the intranet to spanish... |
| 12:42 |
|
paul |
great ! |
| 12:42 |
|
jmlongo |
but I'm leaving all the unimarc stuff untranslated |
| 12:42 |
|
jmlongo |
partly because it's en french :) |
| 12:43 |
|
paul |
you're right |
| 12:43 |
|
paul |
you can delete all thos strings during tmpl_process3.pl update |
| 12:43 |
|
paul |
just exclude : |
| 12:43 |
|
jmlongo |
would it still be usefull? |
| 12:43 |
|
paul |
.*unimarc_.* files |
| 12:43 |
|
paul |
it's useful, but only for UNIMARC. |
| 12:44 |
|
paul |
./tmpl_process3.pl update -i xxx -o xxx -s xxx -x .*unimarc_field_1.* |
| 12:44 |
|
paul |
and the french strings are gone ;-) |
| 12:44 |
|
jmlongo |
great! |
| 13:48 |
|
paul |
chris ? |
| 14:07 |
|
jmlongo |
Paul... still there? |
| 14:07 |
|
paul |
yes |
| 14:07 |
|
paul |
(but it's 6PM in France) |
| 14:07 |
|
paul |
(so i'll leave soon) |
| 14:07 |
|
kados |
paul are permissions fixed in 2.2 yet? |
| 14:07 |
|
paul |
not sure kados |
| 14:08 |
|
jmlongo |
I've one more question.... (I'lll make it fast!) |
| 14:08 |
|
paul |
no modifs in permissions |
| 14:08 |
|
jmlongo |
where can I set the expiry date for members? |
| 14:08 |
|
paul |
(except a few bugs in what is required to acces a page) |
| 14:08 |
|
paul |
jmlongo : i don't know |
| 14:09 |
|
jmlongo |
ouch! :) |
| 14:10 |
|
slef |
hi |
| 14:11 |
|
slef |
paul: can we have RCs in another category to avoid hiding full releases, please? |
| 14:11 |
|
paul |
why do you think it's required ? |
| 14:12 |
|
paul |
it's "almost stable" and it's written everywhere (in version name, in release notes, during install) |
| 14:15 |
|
kados |
slef I just emailed the list about this (koha-devel) |
| 14:15 |
|
kados |
SF is a bit slow today though :-/ |
| 14:30 |
|
slef |
because 2.0 is supposed to be available at least until 2.2's release and probably a little bit after |
| 14:31 |
|
slef |
having 2.2 prereleases hiding 2.0 releases is not nice |
| 14:31 |
|
slef |
I don't know how stable 2.2 is yet, as I've not tested it myself yet (been busy on 2.0 and other work) and the bug reports suggests it's not |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
it's stable slef, it's not bugfree |
| 14:35 |
|
slef |
Do all 11 major bugs have good reason for not being fixed yet? |
| 14:35 |
|
paul |
11 major bugs ? |
| 14:38 |
|
paul |
mmm... some of them where already here in 2.0.0 |
| 14:38 |
|
indradg |
hi all |
| 14:38 |
|
paul |
others have to be confirmed &/or explained a little bit more |
| 14:38 |
|
paul |
i have to leave |
| 14:38 |
|
slef |
yes, 2.0.0 released with too many major bugs |
| 14:39 |
|
slef |
I've got it down to 1 critical (waiting more info), and 2 majors (1 wontfix, 1 awaiting more info, 1 needs help) but it's difficult to squash big bugs during a stable series |
| 14:39 |
|
slef |
hi indradg |
| 14:39 |
|
indradg |
hi MJ |
| 14:44 |
|
slef |
kados: sorry, I think you need to rethink what stability is. New features don't necessarily affect stability. |
| 15:53 |
|
rach |
hi |
| 15:57 |
|
slef |
hi rach |
| 16:08 |
|
rach |
hey slef, how's life in the big smoke treating you? |
| 16:13 |
|
slef |
rach: you been reading my blog? |
| 16:14 |
|
rach |
nope - but happy to :-) |
| 16:14 |
|
slef |
I'm confused by the comment "the big smoke" then |
| 16:14 |
|
rach |
where is your blog? |
| 16:14 |
|
rach |
ah - you're in london aren't you? |
| 16:14 |
|
slef |
No, 120 miles north |
| 16:15 |
|
slef |
fens |
| 16:15 |
|
slef |
midlands start about 40 miles west or south-west |
| 16:15 |
|
slef |
well, you know the rough shape of England? |
| 16:15 |
|
rach |
yup |
| 16:15 |
|
rach |
and I was in birmingham last year |
| 16:15 |
|
slef |
as you go up the east coast from London, there's a large round bulge |
| 16:16 |
|
indradg |
hi all... perhaps a way-out off-topic question to ask here... but have any of u used DSpace from MIT Libararies and HP? |
| 16:16 |
|
slef |
I'm roughly on the southern point of the notch where the top of it joins the rest of England |
| 16:16 |
|
slef |
120 miles east of Birmingham |
| 16:17 |
|
slef |
Nearest cities are Peterborough (30 miles WSW), Cambridge (35 miles S) and Norwich (45 miles E) |
| 16:18 |
|
rach |
so have you been having fires? |
| 16:18 |
|
rach |
cause that doesn't sound smokey :-) |
| 16:19 |
|
slef |
nah, was at a gig last night and nearly floored by cigarette smoke |
| 16:19 |
|
chris |
not me indradg |
| 16:20 |
|
indradg |
chris: went to have a look-see on a DSpace implementation today at an University nearby... HP tech staff was making a merry mess of it ;) |
| 16:23 |
|
chris |
ahh its a digital library .. like greenstone |
| 16:23 |
|
indradg |
chris: http://dspace.org/faqs/index.html#hardware |
| 16:24 |
|
chris |
cripes .. thems some fairly steep requirements |
| 16:24 |
|
indradg |
the aforementioned University is spending nearly USD 250,000 in Indian rupees |
| 16:24 |
|
chris |
wow |
| 16:24 |
|
indradg |
for the whole jing-bang! |
| 16:24 |
|
chris |
i wonder if they have heard of greenstone? |
| 16:25 |
|
indradg |
ohh... they have indeed |
| 16:25 |
|
chris |
cool :) i see its in use in india |
| 16:26 |
|
indradg |
i initially got all muddled up when I tried to look into GSDL code :P |
| 16:26 |
|
indradg |
then slowly found my feet :) |
| 16:26 |
|
chris |
yeah its kinda scary in there :) |
| 16:26 |
|
chris |
templating is quite tricky |
| 16:28 |
|
indradg |
recently got into an argument with someone here... why Koha why not greenstone? |
| 16:28 |
|
chris |
ahh they didnt realise they are 2 different tools, for 2 different problems? |
| 16:29 |
|
indradg |
chris: this was the chief librarian of the university which is doing the DSpace implementation ;-) |
| 16:30 |
|
si |
always useful to ask a digital library proponent if they have any concept of circulation in their system |
| 16:30 |
|
si |
chances are they'll look at you like you're mental |
| 16:30 |
|
indradg |
ROFL |
| 16:31 |
|
chris |
koha + greenstone .. now that would be pretty cool |
| 16:32 |
|
indradg |
yeah u bet :) |
| 16:37 |
|
chris |
id just like to not lose to aussie :) |
| 16:38 |
|
indradg |
dunno if this is being done elsewhere... but at my university... I have put together stuff like a CD image server (on-demand loading using apache, autofs and loopback) and linked to electronic content thru Koha... plus stuff like Streaming Media servers (delivering pre-recorded lectures) URLs exposed thru MARC URL tags |
| 16:38 |
|
chris |
hmmm |
| 16:39 |
|
chris |
nope i dont htink ive heard of anyone else doing that ... some screenshots or a url would be great .. rach could maybe do a little news item on it for koha.org |
| 16:39 |
|
indradg |
ok |
| 16:39 |
|
rach |
yeah would be great |
| 16:40 |
|
indradg |
rach: thats how I was "push"ed in templating biz ;-) |
| 16:41 |
|
indradg |
we even wrote a libbonobo component calling on gstreamer that could be embedded in mozilla built with gtk2 as the default widget set |
| 16:42 |
|
rach |
it's all just words to me, but sounds good :-) |
| 16:44 |
|
indradg |
simple english -> embedded a native streaming or otherwise media player into mozilla.. so like the user clicks the URL link... new window pops up and it like "hey presto!" |
| 16:44 |
|
rach |
ah now that I understand :-) |
| 16:45 |
|
rach |
and it really does sound good :-) |
| 17:08 |
|
slef |
indradg: didn't plugger already do that? |
| 17:08 |
|
slef |
and without gnome's overhead |
| 17:08 |
|
indradg |
slef: it does! we wanted to show off ;-P |
| 17:16 |
|
indradg |
gnome just happens to be the primary platform at my university |
| 17:30 |
|
indradg |
chris: I am wondering that using a setup like I have at my installation (the CD image server, Media server etc) and using the "Virtual BookShelves" we can create "proxy" collections like a Digital Library... wat do u think? |
| 17:31 |
|
chris |
hmm yep i reckon you could |
| 18:40 |
|
slef |
rach: http://uk2.multimap.com/client[…]000&scale=4000000 |
| 18:40 |
|
slef |
forgot I had that bookmarked |
| 19:33 |
|
rach |
ah cool thanks |
| 19:33 |
|
rach |
that is a pretty cool map system |
| 19:36 |
|
slef |
I prefer streetmap.co.uk, but I had multimap bookmarked |
| 19:38 |
|
rach |
so is your town near the sea?, or more on the river |
| 19:39 |
|
rach |
ah I see it is not really on the sea |
| 19:48 |
|
slef |
on the river, about 5 miles or so inland at the closest point |
| 19:48 |
|
slef |
it's a port town... I can see some of the docks from the house |
| 22:49 |
|
slef |
Have to love imdb reviews: "Happy Gilmore is unusual because it is one of the few bad films I've actually sat through until the end. I am unreliably informed that the US dropped copies of the DVD on Falluja to destroy the spirit of the rebels there." |
| 05:49 |
|
Genji |
hiya. i just invented the idea of using object orientated virtual shelves. |
| 05:50 |
|
Genji |
at least, for koha. gets done in libraries all the time. Section, bookshelf, subject type of thing. |
| 05:53 |
|
Genji |
Thinking that it comes from nested lists... Or prehaps its easier to create a new table, where theres two fields, parentshelf and childshelf. of course, there has to be , first entry, the mainshelf.. or the superparent or something... that has a list of all the first level shelves. |
| 05:57 |
|
Genji |
hmm.. challenge is implementing this in with the current virtual shelve system... including permissions.... Prehaps i have this type of structure only available to the main shelf list. |
| 09:35 |
|
Genji |
hey paul! |
| 09:35 |
|
Genji |
im alive here. |
| 09:35 |
|
Genji |
you |
| 09:35 |
|
Genji |
? |
| 09:36 |
|
paul |
hello |
| 09:36 |
|
paul |
i'm alive too. |
| 09:36 |
|
paul |
i'm not sure to undestand well your virtual shefves suggestion... |
| 09:36 |
|
Genji |
ack.. yahoo email server's not resolving. |
| 09:36 |
|
paul |
(seems very exciting to you, however ;-) ) |
| 09:37 |
|
Genji |
okay, in my library, i have sections. main hall, meditation room. |
| 09:38 |
|
paul |
they are logic sections of physical ? |
| 09:38 |
|
Genji |
within those sections are sections... main hall.theosophy main hall.general meditation room.theosophy meditation room.general meditation room.personal subjects ... and within those, you have more branches. |
| 09:39 |
|
Genji |
the point of it is, its like navigating a tree, rather than having a huge list of virtual shelves. |
| 09:39 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 09:40 |
|
Genji |
make take time to get somewhere.. but it would be entirely easier with a libary with LOTS of virtual shelves. |
| 09:43 |
|
Genji |
ah.. so the real problem, is C4::Catalogue::Branches needs to be moved somewhere? |
| 09:44 |
|
paul |
yes. And it probably already exist |
| 09:44 |
|
paul |
do a grep -R "Branches" * |
| 09:45 |
|
paul |
C4/Acquisition.pm:sub branches { |
| 09:51 |
|
Genji |
router dropped. |
| 09:51 |
|
Genji |
hmm... did a search with windows.. couldn't find C4::Catalog::Branches. weird. |
| 09:52 |
|
Genji |
know of a good windows file search tool? |
| 09:53 |
|
Genji |
OHHHH.. found a grep for windows.. how do you search for "Branches" again? |
| 09:54 |
|
Genji |
alive, paul? |
| 10:18 |
|
Genji |
wow, ive done alot a bugs today. |
| 10:19 |
|
paul |
i'm back |
| 10:19 |
|
paul |
about Branches : |
| 10:19 |
|
paul |
C4/Acquisition.pm:sub branches { |
| 10:19 |
|
paul |
(with b, not B) |
| 10:19 |
|
paul |
grep -R "Branches" * |
| 10:22 |
|
paul |
i'll commit immediatly all your bug reports into Koha. |
| 10:23 |
|
paul |
are you sure for bnotes => notes ? |
| 10:23 |
|
paul |
because we had a problem with notes : it's defined in Biblio & biblioitems |
| 10:24 |
|
paul |
so we had to find a trick to identify them |
| 10:24 |
|
paul |
the trick was to use bnote when speaking of biblioitems notes |
| 10:24 |
|
paul |
and notes when speaking of biblio notes |
| 10:27 |
|
Genji |
im sure, cause they are always referenced with $biblio->{'notes'} and $biblioitems->{'notes'}.. they don't seem to ever go into a variable $notes. |
| 10:28 |
|
paul |
you tested this ? |
| 10:28 |
|
paul |
i'll ask slef, to have it's opinion, as he is the dev who played with notes & bnotes. |
| 10:29 |
|
Genji |
read the code, and changed my files, did some acquisitions... and looked at results. all good. |
| 10:30 |
|
paul |
biblio.notes & biblioitems.notes were both filled ? |
| 10:30 |
|
Genji |
Yup. |
| 10:30 |
|
paul |
with different values ? |
| 10:30 |
|
Genji |
yup |
| 10:30 |
|
paul |
ok, i ask slef just for confirm |
| 10:31 |
|
Genji |
saveitems.pl needs a new use line. use C4::Acquisition.pm; |
| 10:31 |
|
paul |
for sub branches ? |
| 10:32 |
|
Genji |
whoa.. hold on... |
| 10:32 |
|
Genji |
i saved... yet i got no error message... and C4::Acquisition nore c4::catalogue were use'd.. prehaps C4::Biblio loads C4::Acqusition? |
| 10:33 |
|
Genji |
Ahhh.. not saveitem... but additem-nomarc... |
| 10:34 |
|
Genji |
additem-nomarc.pl definately needs 'use c4::acquisitions.pm' to get branches. |
| 10:35 |
|
Genji |
err.. C4::Acquisition.pm |
| 10:35 |
|
paul |
yes. I fix it. |
| 10:36 |
|
paul |
so, it's needed in saveitem.pl, additem-nomarc.pl and somewhere else ? |
| 10:36 |
|
Genji |
not needed in saveitem.pl. |
| 10:36 |
|
Genji |
Im thinking its also needed in systempreferences -> branch add/delete/edit.... |
| 10:36 |
|
paul |
ok, just in additem-nomarc.pl so. |
| 10:36 |
|
Genji |
but haven't actually tested. |
| 10:37 |
|
paul |
??? works fine for me |
| 10:38 |
|
Genji |
cool then. slef is on the koha list? |
| 10:38 |
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paul |
yes, i think |
| 10:38 |
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Genji |
whats his full name? |
| 10:39 |
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Genji |
oh.. i c. |
| 10:39 |
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paul |
i c ? |
| 10:39 |
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paul |
it's MJ Ray |
| 10:39 |
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Genji |
yup, he'll get my full bnote patch message.. cool. |
| 10:40 |
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Genji |
im also creating a IE compatable template (en) as i find the layout problems. |
| 10:41 |
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paul |
for OPAC or librarian interface ? |
| 10:41 |
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Genji |
intranet. |
| 10:41 |
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paul |
you modify the default template or create a new one ? |
| 10:41 |
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Genji |
modify.. inside a new directory named IE. |
| 10:42 |
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paul |
ok, i'll see if it works under mozilla/Firefox/Opera... |
| 10:42 |
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Genji |
cool. ummmm... |
| 10:45 |
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Genji |
http://222-152-211-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz |
| 10:45 |
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paul |
login/pass ? |
| 10:46 |
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Genji |
pages to look at - catalog-home and acquisitions-additem-nomarc. |
| 10:46 |
|
Genji |
koha/koha |
| 10:47 |
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Genji |
its only a test database, so feel free to add test items. |
| 10:47 |
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paul |
(remember this chat is logged, so your login/pass are now public) |
| 10:48 |
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Genji |
"Its only a test database" .... as in ill get a proper login/pass done after it goes production. |
| 10:49 |
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Genji |
besides, thats the default koha password anyway.. one would need to be a newbie to leave the default password on any production software. |
| 10:51 |
|
Genji |
now, time to look into creating that object orientated virtual shelf tree..... |
| 10:53 |
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Genji |
comments? |
| 10:53 |
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paul |
on what ? |
| 10:54 |
|
Genji |
eh, the compablity of the IE template with IE, and Opera? all i did was add a table that encompassed the two sections of the page. <td>'s really. |
| 10:55 |
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paul |
but tables are bad. |
| 10:56 |
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paul |
that's why i dropped them almost everywhere (except when need to present a table of datas) |
| 10:56 |
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Genji |
tables are bad? |
| 10:56 |
|
Genji |
why are tables bad/ |
| 10:56 |
|
Genji |
? |
| 10:56 |
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paul |
they are poor HTML. with css they should be useless |
| 10:56 |
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paul |
i've many links on this,but in french ;-) |
| 10:56 |
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paul |
(www.openweb.eu.org at first, in french despite the name) |
| 10:57 |
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Genji |
okay... but the default template is not ccs, so catalog spreads out, making you maximise the whole page to use it, ummm... you have used the default template with ie, yourself? |
| 10:59 |
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paul |
having no windows, i would have some difficulties to test IE ;-) |
| 10:59 |
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paul |
but ... i realize it's 3AM for you ? don't you never sleep ? |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
(easy, it's 3PM for me !) |
| 10:59 |
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Genji |
right... hey, im hyped on pepsi! |
