IRC log for #koha, 2016-09-23

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00:09 dcook Well .in files are templates, so I reckon control is generated from control.in?
00:09 * dcook says having never built debian packages
00:12 dcook mtompset: https://debathena.mit.edu/packaging/
00:18 wizzyrea mtompset did you need something from me?
00:18 mtompset Let me scroll back to the time to figure out... But I do recall looking for you. :)
00:19 wizzyrea cool just lmk :)
00:19 mtompset Probably related to your comment on a bug....
00:19 mtompset can't remember the number...
00:19 wizzyrea oh, bug 17234 maybe?
00:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17234 major, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , ALTER IGNORE TABLE is invalid in mysql 5.7.  This breaks updatedatabase.pl
00:19 mtompset Yes, that one.
00:20 mtompset If the two functions were moved, then the responsibility would be pushed to QA instead of the RM.
00:20 mtompset Do you think Koha::Database is a reasonable place to move it to?
00:21 wizzyrea I am not the one to ask about such things as "where subs should go" lol
00:21 wizzyrea i mean, sounds reasonable?
00:22 wizzyrea I would think as a developer, you'd want to write your database updates basically whole
00:22 wizzyrea so that there was as small of a chance as possible for mistake making
00:22 wizzyrea when the entries were moved
00:22 wizzyrea of course our RM's aren't dumb but it never hurts to make things easier for them
00:23 wizzyrea what they are, is very busy.
00:23 mtompset Right, and if there are guidelines written about how to write .perl files, which include references to these two functions, then there wouldn't be added pain for them.
00:23 wizzyrea yes exactly
00:23 wizzyrea or an example file just sitting in there to base your update off of
00:23 * mtompset nods.
00:24 wizzyrea so git cp atomicupdate.perl.example bug-xxxx-stuff.perl and off you go
00:24 mtompset So, the question then is... where would I grab developer consensus as to where those two functions should go?
00:24 mtompset post to koha-develop and see who bites?
00:24 wizzyrea I think joubou will weigh in soon
00:25 wizzyrea joubu even
00:25 mtompset because right now, the whole react thing is kind of overshadowing.
00:25 wizzyrea auē yes
00:26 wizzyrea best not to get me started on that one ^.^
00:26 wizzyrea I have to run away for a little bit
00:26 * mtompset grins, "Let's make it all HTML 2.0 compliant" :)
00:26 wizzyrea bbs
00:26 * wizzyrea cries
00:27 mtompset -- of hilarity, right? ;)
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00:55 mtompset Greetings, khall
01:12 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea dcook khall
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06:26 * magnuse waves
06:26 * magnuse makes a mental note of not starting the the day watching donald trump videos
06:31 fridolin hie there
06:33 magnuse bonjour fridolin
06:33 fridolin bonjour mon ami, preparing the HF ?
06:33 fridolin HackFest
06:33 wahanui HackFest is great fun!
06:33 fridolin ah hello old buddy wahanui
06:34 fridolin you are coming too ? ;)
06:35 magnuse i'll be organizinf joanns visit to norway before the hackfest, so that is top of my mind for now
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06:42 alex_a bonjour
06:42 wahanui what's up, alex_a
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07:02 reiveune hello
07:02 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
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07:36 gaetan_B hello
07:36 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B
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08:04 * magnuse waves to all the cool people
08:04 magnuse @wunder boo
08:04 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on September 23, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
08:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Lotissement le Pitalugue, Vitrolles, France is 16.8°C (10:02 AM CEST on September 23, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
08:04 magnuse hah, getting closer
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08:13 fridolin magnuse: i've think about you because we have worked on a Sweedish catalogue
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08:14 fridolin so i've seen there is a customisation in Zebra : lang_defs/nb
08:15 fridolin we played with some odd characters that are not diactricts : ä, ö ... and the best skandinavish "a" with a °
08:24 magnuse å
08:24 magnuse :-)
08:24 magnuse yeah, lots of fun
08:31 magnuse norway has æ as well
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08:34 liw some people have œ too
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08:49 eythian here the fanciest is ij
08:52 magnuse pft...
09:05 eythian I know, I þink we should bring back þorn.
09:26 * cait waves
09:27 * ashimema_ hides
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11:44 oleonard Hi #koha
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11:54 eythian hi oleonard
11:54 wahanui hi oleopard
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12:45 tcohen morning
12:46 kidclamp morning tcohen
12:46 rsantellan morning
12:47 tcohen hey kidclamp
12:47 wahanui kidclamp is the vm savior today!
12:47 tcohen rsantellan: hello
12:47 wahanui privet, tcohen
12:47 tcohen kidclamp: nice pics!
12:48 kidclamp thanks, denver was fun!
12:48 kidclamp always nice to see people in real life, so excited for marseille too
12:48 tcohen YAY!
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13:07 gaetan_B oops, big plack question
13:07 gaetan_B how is changing parameters and sysprefs handled ?
13:07 tcohen it works fine in master
13:07 tcohen with the packages
13:07 gaetan_B do we have to restart starman manually ?
13:08 tcohen sysprefs are supposed to be flushed on each request
13:08 gaetan_B ok
13:08 tcohen look at plack.psgi
13:08 tcohen /etc/koha/plack.psgi
13:08 tcohen but I usually restart memcached
13:13 tcohen are you using the packageS?
13:13 tcohen which version, gaetan_B?
13:14 gaetan_B ok i think something was wrong on the setup on our side :)
13:14 gaetan_B we're not using the packages (yet) although i am very much in favour of us moving towards using them
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13:36 magnuse packages++
13:36 magnuse @karma packages
13:36 huginn magnuse: Karma for "packages" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
13:36 rsantellan tcohen: is there any documentation or test about the difference between using plack or not?
13:37 tcohen have you weared a ball and chain?
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13:38 tcohen rsantellan: ?
13:39 rsantellan nop, but I believe you can go really fast if the ball is free falling :)
13:39 tcohen you are using a ball and chain but just didn't notice, you are used to it
13:39 tcohen try Plack and let us know
13:40 tcohen how does it feel, that freedom
13:40 rsantellan my problem is that I have to justify to an IT guy why the change
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13:41 tcohen 'massive speed improvement' should be a good argument
13:42 rsantellan is there any test cases about that
13:43 rsantellan doing the job of the devils advocate....
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14:01 oleonard rsantellan: I think the problem is that it's not typical for anyone here to have to "sell" the idea of Plack
14:02 oleonard rsantellan: So nobody has test cases, charts, and graphs to present
14:02 oleonard rsantellan: Although I see how it puts you in a difficult situation.
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14:07 rsantellan oleanard: I will create some test with the performance differences with and without plack and put them on the wiki. It will take me a while but there going to be my "selling" pitch :)
14:08 eythian you'll find it'll shave  roughly 1 second off each request, but sometimes more, sometimes less.
14:08 eythian (obviously depends on your local setup too.)
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14:14 tcohen @later tell Joubu you restored memcached into koha-conf.xml, but didn't patch koha-conf.xml*
14:14 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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14:38 tcohen 11921
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14:42 mtompset_web Greetings, #koha.
14:42 tcohen greetings mtompset_web
14:42 mtompset_web Greetings, tcohen.
14:42 mtompset_web I'm curious.
14:42 mtompset_web The BWS Kitchen sink plugin...
14:43 mtompset_web Who is going to fix that?
14:43 mtompset_web #     Error:  Can't locate C4/Branch.pm in @INC (you may need to install the C4::Branch module) (@INC contains: /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Master_D8/blib/arch /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Master_D8/blib/lib /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Master_D8 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.20.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.20 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20 /usr/share/perl
14:43 tcohen mtompset_web: you know how to play this game
14:43 tcohen you have to 'fill a bug'
14:43 tcohen hehe
14:43 mtompset_web Just asking, because it's a PLUGIN, and not Koha core code. :P
14:44 tcohen yes, but it has its own issue tracker, doesn't it?
14:44 mtompset_web That I do not know. Good idea to check for that.
14:45 tcohen https://github.com/bywatersolu[…]ugin-kitchen-sink
14:47 mtompset_web ... /issues. :P
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14:48 tcohen hey, I have to leave you something to do
14:50 * mtompset_web grins at tcohen, "Of course."
14:51 mtompset_web Where is the mayhem, CrispyBran_CausingMayhemInBugz?
15:02 tcohen mtompset_web: 15541 might be unnessesary (however it is written LOL)
15:03 tcohen because of bug 17318
15:03 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make 'Normalization rule' configurable on matchpoint definition
15:04 mtompset_web Good point.
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15:16 tcohen hi mario
15:16 mario hi tcohen
15:18 mtompset_web Have the bug wranglers been checking if things marked as enh are just enhancements? Because the whole default to enhancement is a pain in bugzilla. Sometimes I forget to change/check it.
15:19 mtompset_web tcohen: I just tried to git bz apply 17318. It needs a rebase.
15:19 tcohen did u git bz apply its dependencies
15:19 tcohen ?
15:20 mtompset_web Good question. There are none listed.
15:20 tcohen oh, sorry for that
15:20 tcohen just a sec
15:20 mtompset_web Oh I see. Mentioned, but not tagged.
15:22 tcohen done
15:23 mtompset_web Thanks. I'll try again. :)
15:23 tcohen please, succeed
15:23 tcohen it is friday!
15:24 mtompset_web There we go!
15:27 tcohen later #koha
15:27 tcohen asado at the house buildplace!
15:27 mtompset_web Take care, tcohen
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15:32 drojf evening
15:32 mtompset_web Good day (24 hour period), drojf  :)
15:37 drojf hi mtompset_web
15:38 drojf thanks for testing the patch!
15:41 mtompset_web drojf: Which patch?
15:41 wahanui Which patch is that?
15:41 drojf anyone using coce in production?
15:42 mtompset_web Sorry, not using coce.
15:42 drojf mtompset_web: some üackaging thing
15:42 drojf p
15:42 mtompset_web Ah right.
15:42 mtompset_web drojf: there was a follow up on bug 17111
15:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17111 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable)
15:42 mtompset_web which said you were going to deal with something.
15:43 mtompset_web So I didn't sign 17111 off, because I figure the other one should be signed off first, and this one would just become that perl line I quoted.
15:43 oleonard drojf: We are
15:44 drojf mtompset_web: i will generate it and then we see :)
15:44 drojf oleonard: howdoes it work is it great tellmeeverything about it ;)
15:45 drojf the real question is, can i mix multiple sources, like amazon and local
15:45 oleonard I can't answer the local question because we don't use local cover images
15:46 mtompset_web I do remember turning on everything coverwise once... some of them didn't play nice together.
15:46 drojf train coming, not sure if there will be wifi
15:46 oleonard mtompset_web: Coce is a system designed to handle multiple for you
15:46 drojf hm not my train
15:47 drojf oleonard: yes i found it (again) when i looked at the multiple sources bug
15:47 mtompset_web Yes, but I'm just a programmer, pulling buttons and tweaking settings. That would require research or documentation. :P
15:47 drojf mtompset_web: mtthat is what i remember
15:47 oleonard drojf: We are still trying to iron out some issues with mixed-content warnings because of non-ssl stuff from Amazon, but I think it can be solved.
15:48 mtompset_web oleonard: I'm pretty sure I signed off on some SSL Amazon bugs a while back.
15:48 drojf ohthat is a problem there? i guessit works differently than i thought
15:49 drojf right train, brb maybe
15:51 oleonard mtompset_web: Those are unrelated to Coce
15:52 mtompset_web Oh, Coce pushes back non-SSL?
15:52 oleonard It did, then it got fixed, but the cache of resources in our system still contains out of date non-SSL links.
16:13 mtompset_web oleonard: Oh joy.
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16:19 reiveune bye
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16:27 mtompset_web Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha oleonard rocio CrispyBran
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17:13 oleonard have a good weekend #koha
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17:36 eythian wahanui: bye oleonard is <reply>bye oleopard
17:36 wahanui OK, eythian.
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19:54 CrispyBran Hey kidclamp!
19:54 wahanui i heard kidclamp was a stealthy spy from the realm of mutant turtles.
19:55 CrispyBran ???
19:55 kidclamp I like it
19:55 kidclamp what's up CrispyBran?
19:55 kidclamp wahanui++
19:55 CrispyBran Just sayin hi.
19:55 * kidclamp waves
19:56 CrispyBran Been creating more work for everyone today.
19:56 kidclamp heh
19:56 kidclamp uncovering bugs?
19:56 CrispyBran Uh, sorta.
19:58 kidclamp well..keep it up ;-)
19:58 kidclamp have a good night all
19:59 CrispyBran I reported 17150 last month.  Today I broke it up into small enhancements/bugs.
19:59 CrispyBran Have a good one kidclamp
19:59 CrispyBran kidclamp
19:59 wahanui kidclamp is a stealthy spy from the realm of mutant turtles.
19:59 CrispyBran :)
19:59 kidclamp wahanui: botsnack
19:59 wahanui :)
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20:11 rsantellan have a good weekend #koha
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20:39 tcohen hi
20:39 wahanui hello, tcohen
20:39 tcohen rangi: thanks for signing!
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21:08 tcohen dcook: around?
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21:54 rocio back
22:37 tcohen hi rocio
22:37 rocio hi!
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