Time Nick Message 00:09 dcook Well .in files are templates, so I reckon control is generated from control.in? 00:09 * dcook says having never built debian packages 00:12 dcook mtompset: https://debathena.mit.edu/packaging/ 00:18 wizzyrea mtompset did you need something from me? 00:18 mtompset Let me scroll back to the time to figure out... But I do recall looking for you. :) 00:19 wizzyrea cool just lmk :) 00:19 mtompset Probably related to your comment on a bug.... 00:19 mtompset can't remember the number... 00:19 wizzyrea oh, bug 17234 maybe? 00:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17234 major, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , ALTER IGNORE TABLE is invalid in mysql 5.7. This breaks updatedatabase.pl 00:19 mtompset Yes, that one. 00:20 mtompset If the two functions were moved, then the responsibility would be pushed to QA instead of the RM. 00:20 mtompset Do you think Koha::Database is a reasonable place to move it to? 00:21 wizzyrea I am not the one to ask about such things as "where subs should go" lol 00:21 wizzyrea i mean, sounds reasonable? 00:22 wizzyrea I would think as a developer, you'd want to write your database updates basically whole 00:22 wizzyrea so that there was as small of a chance as possible for mistake making 00:22 wizzyrea when the entries were moved 00:22 wizzyrea of course our RM's aren't dumb but it never hurts to make things easier for them 00:23 wizzyrea what they are, is very busy. 00:23 mtompset Right, and if there are guidelines written about how to write .perl files, which include references to these two functions, then there wouldn't be added pain for them. 00:23 wizzyrea yes exactly 00:23 wizzyrea or an example file just sitting in there to base your update off of 00:23 * mtompset nods. 00:24 wizzyrea so git cp atomicupdate.perl.example bug-xxxx-stuff.perl and off you go 00:24 mtompset So, the question then is... where would I grab developer consensus as to where those two functions should go? 00:24 mtompset post to koha-develop and see who bites? 00:24 wizzyrea I think joubou will weigh in soon 00:25 wizzyrea joubu even 00:25 mtompset because right now, the whole react thing is kind of overshadowing. 00:25 wizzyrea auē yes 00:26 wizzyrea best not to get me started on that one ^.^ 00:26 wizzyrea I have to run away for a little bit 00:26 * mtompset grins, "Let's make it all HTML 2.0 compliant" :) 00:26 wizzyrea bbs 00:26 * wizzyrea cries 00:27 mtompset -- of hilarity, right? ;) 00:55 mtompset Greetings, khall 01:12 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea dcook khall 06:26 * magnuse waves 06:26 * magnuse makes a mental note of not starting the the day watching donald trump videos 06:31 fridolin hie there 06:33 magnuse bonjour fridolin 06:33 fridolin bonjour mon ami, preparing the HF ? 06:33 fridolin HackFest 06:33 wahanui HackFest is great fun! 06:33 fridolin ah hello old buddy wahanui 06:34 fridolin you are coming too ? ;) 06:35 magnuse i'll be organizinf joanns visit to norway before the hackfest, so that is top of my mind for now 06:42 alex_a bonjour 06:42 wahanui what's up, alex_a 07:02 reiveune hello 07:02 wahanui kia ora, reiveune 07:36 gaetan_B hello 07:36 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B 08:04 * magnuse waves to all the cool people 08:04 magnuse @wunder boo 08:04 magnuse @wunder marseille 08:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on September 23, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 08:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Lotissement le Pitalugue, Vitrolles, France is 16.8°C (10:02 AM CEST on September 23, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 08:04 magnuse hah, getting closer 08:13 fridolin magnuse: i've think about you because we have worked on a Sweedish catalogue 08:14 fridolin so i've seen there is a customisation in Zebra : lang_defs/nb 08:15 fridolin we played with some odd characters that are not diactricts : ä, ö ... and the best skandinavish "a" with a ° 08:24 magnuse å 08:24 magnuse :-) 08:24 magnuse yeah, lots of fun 08:31 magnuse norway has æ as well 08:34 liw some people have œ too 08:49 eythian here the fanciest is ĳ 08:52 magnuse pft... 09:05 eythian I know, I þink we should bring back þorn. 09:26 * cait waves 09:27 * ashimema_ hides 11:44 oleonard Hi #koha 11:54 eythian hi oleonard 11:54 wahanui hi oleopard 12:45 tcohen morning 12:46 kidclamp morning tcohen 12:46 rsantellan morning 12:47 tcohen hey kidclamp 12:47 wahanui kidclamp is the vm savior today! 12:47 tcohen rsantellan: hello 12:47 wahanui privet, tcohen 12:47 tcohen kidclamp: nice pics! 12:48 kidclamp thanks, denver was fun! 12:48 kidclamp always nice to see people in real life, so excited for marseille too 12:48 tcohen YAY! 13:07 gaetan_B oops, big plack question 13:07 gaetan_B how is changing parameters and sysprefs handled ? 13:07 tcohen it works fine in master 13:07 tcohen with the packages 13:07 gaetan_B do we have to restart starman manually ? 13:08 tcohen sysprefs are supposed to be flushed on each request 13:08 gaetan_B ok 13:08 tcohen look at plack.psgi 13:08 tcohen /etc/koha/plack.psgi 13:08 tcohen but I usually restart memcached 13:13 tcohen are you using the packageS? 13:13 tcohen which version, gaetan_B? 13:14 gaetan_B ok i think something was wrong on the setup on our side :) 13:14 gaetan_B we're not using the packages (yet) although i am very much in favour of us moving towards using them 13:36 magnuse packages++ 13:36 magnuse @karma packages 13:36 huginn magnuse: Karma for "packages" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 13:36 rsantellan tcohen: is there any documentation or test about the difference between using plack or not? 13:37 tcohen have you weared a ball and chain? 13:38 tcohen rsantellan: ? 13:39 rsantellan nop, but I believe you can go really fast if the ball is free falling :) 13:39 tcohen you are using a ball and chain but just didn't notice, you are used to it 13:39 tcohen try Plack and let us know 13:40 tcohen how does it feel, that freedom 13:40 rsantellan my problem is that I have to justify to an IT guy why the change 13:41 tcohen 'massive speed improvement' should be a good argument 13:42 rsantellan is there any test cases about that 13:43 rsantellan doing the job of the devils advocate.... 14:01 oleonard rsantellan: I think the problem is that it's not typical for anyone here to have to "sell" the idea of Plack 14:02 oleonard rsantellan: So nobody has test cases, charts, and graphs to present 14:02 oleonard rsantellan: Although I see how it puts you in a difficult situation. 14:07 rsantellan oleanard: I will create some test with the performance differences with and without plack and put them on the wiki. It will take me a while but there going to be my "selling" pitch :) 14:08 eythian you'll find it'll shave roughly 1 second off each request, but sometimes more, sometimes less. 14:08 eythian (obviously depends on your local setup too.) 14:14 tcohen @later tell Joubu you restored memcached into koha-conf.xml, but didn't patch koha-conf.xml* 14:14 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 14:38 tcohen 11921 14:42 mtompset_web Greetings, #koha. 14:42 tcohen greetings mtompset_web 14:42 mtompset_web Greetings, tcohen. 14:42 mtompset_web I'm curious. 14:42 mtompset_web The BWS Kitchen sink plugin... 14:43 mtompset_web Who is going to fix that? 14:43 mtompset_web # Error: Can't locate C4/Branch.pm in @INC (you may need to install the C4::Branch module) (@INC contains: /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Master_D8/blib/arch /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Master_D8/blib/lib /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Master_D8 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.20.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.20 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20 /usr/share/perl 14:43 tcohen mtompset_web: you know how to play this game 14:43 tcohen you have to 'fill a bug' 14:43 tcohen hehe 14:43 mtompset_web Just asking, because it's a PLUGIN, and not Koha core code. :P 14:44 tcohen yes, but it has its own issue tracker, doesn't it? 14:44 mtompset_web That I do not know. Good idea to check for that. 14:45 tcohen https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-kitchen-sink 14:47 mtompset_web ... /issues. :P 14:48 tcohen hey, I have to leave you something to do 14:50 * mtompset_web grins at tcohen, "Of course." 14:51 mtompset_web Where is the mayhem, CrispyBran_CausingMayhemInBugz? 15:02 tcohen mtompset_web: 15541 might be unnessesary (however it is written LOL) 15:03 tcohen because of bug 17318 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make 'Normalization rule' configurable on matchpoint definition 15:04 mtompset_web Good point. 15:16 tcohen hi mario 15:16 mario hi tcohen 15:18 mtompset_web Have the bug wranglers been checking if things marked as enh are just enhancements? Because the whole default to enhancement is a pain in bugzilla. Sometimes I forget to change/check it. 15:19 mtompset_web tcohen: I just tried to git bz apply 17318. It needs a rebase. 15:19 tcohen did u git bz apply its dependencies 15:19 tcohen ? 15:20 mtompset_web Good question. There are none listed. 15:20 tcohen oh, sorry for that 15:20 tcohen just a sec 15:20 mtompset_web Oh I see. Mentioned, but not tagged. 15:22 tcohen done 15:23 mtompset_web Thanks. I'll try again. :) 15:23 tcohen please, succeed 15:23 tcohen it is friday! 15:24 mtompset_web There we go! 15:27 tcohen later #koha 15:27 tcohen asado at the house buildplace! 15:27 mtompset_web Take care, tcohen 15:32 drojf evening 15:32 mtompset_web Good day (24 hour period), drojf :) 15:37 drojf hi mtompset_web 15:38 drojf thanks for testing the patch! 15:41 mtompset_web drojf: Which patch? 15:41 wahanui Which patch is that? 15:41 drojf anyone using coce in production? 15:42 mtompset_web Sorry, not using coce. 15:42 drojf mtompset_web: some üackaging thing 15:42 drojf p 15:42 mtompset_web Ah right. 15:42 mtompset_web drojf: there was a follow up on bug 17111 15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17111 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable) 15:42 mtompset_web which said you were going to deal with something. 15:43 mtompset_web So I didn't sign 17111 off, because I figure the other one should be signed off first, and this one would just become that perl line I quoted. 15:43 oleonard drojf: We are 15:44 drojf mtompset_web: i will generate it and then we see :) 15:44 drojf oleonard: howdoes it work is it great tellmeeverything about it ;) 15:45 drojf the real question is, can i mix multiple sources, like amazon and local 15:45 oleonard I can't answer the local question because we don't use local cover images 15:46 mtompset_web I do remember turning on everything coverwise once... some of them didn't play nice together. 15:46 drojf train coming, not sure if there will be wifi 15:46 oleonard mtompset_web: Coce is a system designed to handle multiple for you 15:46 drojf hm not my train 15:47 drojf oleonard: yes i found it (again) when i looked at the multiple sources bug 15:47 mtompset_web Yes, but I'm just a programmer, pulling buttons and tweaking settings. That would require research or documentation. :P 15:47 drojf mtompset_web: mtthat is what i remember 15:47 oleonard drojf: We are still trying to iron out some issues with mixed-content warnings because of non-ssl stuff from Amazon, but I think it can be solved. 15:48 mtompset_web oleonard: I'm pretty sure I signed off on some SSL Amazon bugs a while back. 15:48 drojf ohthat is a problem there? i guessit works differently than i thought 15:49 drojf right train, brb maybe 15:51 oleonard mtompset_web: Those are unrelated to Coce 15:52 mtompset_web Oh, Coce pushes back non-SSL? 15:52 oleonard It did, then it got fixed, but the cache of resources in our system still contains out of date non-SSL links. 16:13 mtompset_web oleonard: Oh joy. 16:19 * LibMonk slaps LibMonk around a bit with a large fishbot 16:19 reiveune bye 16:27 mtompset_web Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha oleonard rocio CrispyBran 17:13 oleonard have a good weekend #koha 17:36 eythian wahanui: bye oleonard is <reply>bye oleopard 17:36 wahanui OK, eythian. 19:54 CrispyBran Hey kidclamp! 19:54 wahanui i heard kidclamp was a stealthy spy from the realm of mutant turtles. 19:55 CrispyBran ??? 19:55 kidclamp I like it 19:55 kidclamp what's up CrispyBran? 19:55 kidclamp wahanui++ 19:55 CrispyBran Just sayin hi. 19:55 * kidclamp waves 19:56 CrispyBran Been creating more work for everyone today. 19:56 kidclamp heh 19:56 kidclamp uncovering bugs? 19:56 CrispyBran Uh, sorta. 19:58 kidclamp well..keep it up ;-) 19:58 kidclamp have a good night all 19:59 CrispyBran I reported 17150 last month. Today I broke it up into small enhancements/bugs. 19:59 CrispyBran Have a good one kidclamp 19:59 CrispyBran kidclamp 19:59 wahanui kidclamp is a stealthy spy from the realm of mutant turtles. 19:59 CrispyBran :) 19:59 kidclamp wahanui: botsnack 19:59 wahanui :) 20:11 rsantellan have a good weekend #koha 20:39 tcohen hi 20:39 wahanui hello, tcohen 20:39 tcohen rangi: thanks for signing! 21:08 tcohen dcook: around? 21:54 rocio back 22:37 tcohen hi rocio 22:37 rocio hi!