IRC log for #koha, 2015-10-07

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01:13 wizzyrea eythian: are there any problems with adding a dependency for Math::Random::Secure - I'm looking at bug 8753
01:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Add forgot password link to OPAC
01:13 wizzyrea (for the packages)
01:13 wizzyrea (at your leisure, of course)
01:13 eythian hmm, have a look at how the salt is generated in Koha::Auth
01:13 eythian that might have a way of doing what you need.
01:13 wizzyrea that is an excellent point
01:17 eythian if that isn't feasible, then we can add it, though it'd have to be packaged.
01:17 eythian I don't see any reason why it'd be hard to package though
01:17 wizzyrea right, I couldn't find a package for it I assumed it'd have to be packaged
01:17 wizzyrea (by us)
01:18 wizzyrea I think it's a bit silly to add one when we might have a thing to do it already.
01:18 eythian yeah, that's what I was thinking
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01:19 mtj hey wizzyrea, eythian.. offtopic Q here..
01:19 mtj have y'all ever tethered your laptops to an android fone?
01:19 wizzyrea sure
01:19 eythian yeah
01:20 mtj ..via usb cable?
01:20 eythian yeah
01:20 wizzyrea not me no, I usually set up a secure access point on my phone and just use wifi.
01:20 eythian I've done the USB thing a fair bit
01:20 wizzyrea (lollipop has this feature, I think)
01:21 eythian it's had it going back forever
01:21 mtj sweet, ive been meaning to attempt it for a while
01:21 eythian I think froyo had it
01:21 wizzyrea I meant the portable hotspot feature
01:21 mtj i've only got a kitkat fone...
01:21 eythian that's definitely been around for ages too
01:22 eythian mtj: that's why I'm saying they're really old features.
01:22 wizzyrea then I am sure that my crappy samsung didn't enable it
01:22 Francesca oh mtj what phone do you have?
01:23 wizzyrea because I don't remember seeing it until I had stock :(
01:23 mtj Francesca: ...erm, a ... hum.. elephone p8  -> http://www.devicespecification[…]en/model/7c862b54
01:24 wizzyrea (that's more an indictment of my choice of phone)
01:24 eythian it may have been restricted for some reason, perhaps hardware couldn't do it. But I remember once being surprised to find iphones couldn't do it, so that was a while ago.
01:24 wizzyrea iphones could almost certainly do it, just apple didn't want you to :P
01:24 Francesca if you have a look under network settings there might be an option for portable hotpost/ usb tethering
01:25 wizzyrea well and in the US, ATT didn't want you to.
01:25 eythian ah yeah, the carriers here don't care
01:25 wizzyrea ^ assholes, ATT
01:26 dcook Hmm don't know if I've heard of the usb tethering..
01:26 mtj Francesca: , yep i see the option , ta
01:26 wizzyrea actually, this is probably why my phone(s) were missing the feature.
01:27 Francesca dcook: my old little s3 had a tethering option
01:27 dcook I've used the wifi hotspot but not sure about the usb..
01:27 dcook Yep. Looks like it does.
01:27 dcook I've never done it, but that's neat.
01:27 dcook Wifi, usb, bluetooth
01:27 mtj i guess you can charge your phone via the usb, and just tether it via wifi too
01:27 dcook Good memory, Francesca
01:28 Francesca hahaha I only just replaced my s3 with an s5 so it was quite easy
01:28 Francesca also you can usually find these things if you go poking around in the settings
01:28 dcook ^
01:28 mtj ..so tether via usb or wifi really makes no difference
01:28 dcook Poke all the settings!
01:28 Francesca lol
01:29 dcook mtj: Dunno. I guess if it's using USB, the computer might need a driver for it?
01:30 dcook Whereas if it's Wifi, then it ain't no thing
01:30 mtj no difference, in that, if you have internet, you have internet
01:31 dcook http://cdn.meme.am/instances/61670858.jpg
01:31 Francesca awwww kitty
01:32 dcook mtj: I'd assume so.
01:36 eythian dcook: no, it's just ethernet over USB, no drivers needed.
01:36 eythian but the most useful thing is that it can charge at the same time.
01:36 wizzyrea ^ that is a useful thing
01:36 eythian (assuming you don't have something else to plug it into while it does wifi)
01:36 wizzyrea like a computer?
01:37 wizzyrea >.>
01:37 wizzyrea <.<
01:37 Francesca wahanui cats
01:37 wahanui cats are endlessly entertaining. or cuddly and cute
01:37 eythian well, like sticking it on a table near a plug :)
01:37 wizzyrea ^.^
01:38 eythian https://www.facebook.com/iScot[…]10207706696650031 <-- wizzyrea
01:41 wizzyrea Yes, all of that.
01:46 wizzyrea eythian++ good suggestion for the "there might be a thing to do that already" suggestion
01:47 dcook eythian: cool beans :)
01:49 wizzyrea it's ok for C4 modules to reference stuff in the Koha namespace right? just not the other way around?
01:50 eythian yeah
01:53 wizzyrea kewl
01:54 wizzyrea hrm, I don't think we would want to give away that "The provided email address is not tied to this account. " when resetting a password eh
01:55 eythian what's the scenario?
01:55 wahanui i heard the scenario was a problematic patch across versions.
01:55 wizzyrea to reset your password via email
01:55 wizzyrea you are asked to provide your username and email address
01:55 wizzyrea it then sends you a mail
01:55 eythian hmm
01:55 eythian I think it's OK, neither are secrets
01:55 wizzyrea if you provide only a valid username, it says "hey, the email you gave isn't associated with this account"
01:55 wizzyrea I feel like that's an invitation to bruteforcing though?
01:56 eythian also if you haven't used it for a long time, you might not know your registered email.
01:56 eythian well, then we should have brute forcing protection.
01:56 wizzyrea well, it won't let you do it without both
01:56 wizzyrea I think that's reasonable-ish
01:56 eythian right, but you have 5 emails and you don't know which one it is, how will you know if it worked?
01:56 wizzyrea you'll get an email :P
01:56 wizzyrea it will let you in, for one
01:56 wizzyrea you'll get an email, for 2
01:57 eythian OK, how will you know it was the wrong email?
01:57 eythian wait, it lets you straight in?
01:57 eythian that seems bad
01:57 wizzyrea no no
01:57 wizzyrea it sends the email if you provide correct email and user
01:57 wizzyrea and then you click the link
01:57 wizzyrea just like most web services
01:58 dcook No one seems to ever say "The provided email address is not tied to this account. "
01:58 eythian well, many things just have you put your email in
01:58 eythian because emails must be unique for them, but probably not for us
01:58 wizzyrea right, ^ that
01:58 dcook Ahh right
01:58 wizzyrea we have to have the combo because more than one user could have the same email
01:58 wizzyrea families, for instance
01:58 wizzyrea where the kids have the parental email address
01:59 wizzyrea in this case, you'd want to be sure you got the right user
01:59 wizzyrea so yeah I think we do need both.
01:59 wizzyrea and if you don't have both, you visit the library
01:59 wizzyrea and let them do it
01:59 dcook Wait, what's a username?
01:59 dcook The userid?
01:59 wahanui the userid is the OPAC login.  Also the staff login if it's a staff account.
02:00 wizzyrea unlike many websites, we do generally have a physical presence
02:00 wizzyrea yes, userid/login name
02:00 wizzyrea not cardnumber
02:00 wizzyrea not borrowernumber
02:01 wizzyrea I think I like this message better: "
02:01 wizzyrea No account was found with the provided information.
02:01 wizzyrea Check if you typed it correctly.
02:01 wizzyrea "
02:01 wizzyrea which is what you get if you provide an invalid userid, but a valid email
02:02 eythian yeah
02:02 eythian in that case, that's fine
02:02 eythian so they know to not expect an email.
02:03 wizzyrea the bank, for example, won't tell you which of your username or password was wrong, if you do it wrong
02:03 eythian but that's a password
02:03 eythian that's a secret
02:04 eythian I suppose revealing the existance of a userid is not an ideal thing
02:04 wizzyrea that's kind of my point, that's not exactly secret, but it might feel private?
02:05 dcook Yeah, I don't like telling someone that there's no account
02:05 dcook The existence of an account is a secret I think
02:05 eythian yeah, fair enough
02:05 dcook You know someone's email address and you don't have access to it, but you can find out they have an account there
02:05 eythian I hadn't looked from that direction
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02:06 dcook Then you intimidate someone who works there into giving you info
02:06 mtj so.. anyone about that has any experience with Koha and ICU?
02:06 wizzyrea ^ this is a pretty plausible scenario, I think
02:06 dcook mtj: *twitches*
02:06 dcook mtj: Yes, although I'm not sure how much time I have to speak about it. What's up?
02:07 wizzyrea right I think I'll change the message to be consistent no matter how you mess up
02:08 mtj dcook: i'm poking at a koha with mostly korean bibs, with "not great" search results
02:09 dcook "not great"?
02:09 mtj ..it currently has ICU support off - im experiemnting with enabling ICU to improve search results
02:09 dcook Ahh
02:09 dcook Yeah, yeah I suspect it would
02:09 dcook wizzyrea: I'd use existing services as an example. I think Twitter's is quite good.
02:10 wizzyrea *nod* I've already made some changes to make it more like existing service
02:10 wizzyrea you know what twitter does
02:10 wizzyrea now
02:10 dcook Hmm..
02:10 eythian https://twitter.com/WgtnCC/sta[…]51573919393013760 <-- ahahah oh dear, someone didn't quite inform them of what things mean
02:10 wizzyrea they will detect you faffing about trying to log in
02:10 dcook Twitter has actually changed theirs...I think it's worse now
02:10 wizzyrea and send you an email with a link "Log in now"
02:11 mtj dcook, have you tweaked ICU for certain lanuages, or other?
02:11 wizzyrea ok please explain that, because I see everyone snerking but clearly there is some essential something I am missing
02:11 dcook mtj: I think I tweaked ICU for Arabic a while back
02:11 dcook Using Karam's example
02:11 dcook But I had a librarian who spoke English and Arabic to guide me
02:12 eythian wizzyrea: erm, use urban dictionary or something
02:12 dcook wizzyrea: It took me a minute to check
02:12 dcook Yes, urban dictionary
02:12 wizzyrea oh dear.
02:12 dcook It is the best for these situations
02:12 wizzyrea oh no.
02:12 wizzyrea lol.
02:12 dcook If I've learned anything in the past few years, it's never do anything publicly (well, I guess I'm not following my advice right now) and never ever ever be in charge of public PR
02:12 mtj dcook: ok, thanks for the info
02:12 dcook Because you'll always get it wrong
02:13 dcook mtj: No worries
02:13 wizzyrea there is no way to fix that.
02:13 dcook mtj: If you use yaz-client to troubleshoot it, that'll help
02:13 dcook Admittedly, most of my ICU knowledge is around the tokenization and normalization due to that Zebra 2.0.59 bug..
02:13 wizzyrea I have added something additional to my list of politically incorrect things that are giggleworthy but must never be used.
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02:14 dcook mtj: You might also find some files out in the wild for Korean
02:14 dcook By the wild, I mean the interwebs
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02:23 tcohen hi
02:23 dcook yo tcohen
02:24 tcohen hi dcook
02:25 dcook how're things?
02:28 eythian tcohen: did you get my email ages ago about that second build server?
02:28 tcohen eythian: yes, thanks. I assumed you got a later from me
02:28 mtj hi tcohen.. thanks for tidying up my 'koha::cache holidays' patch, very appreciated!
02:28 tcohen but it is up, set and running
02:29 eythian sweet, I didn't remember seeing a reply. I may have slept since then though.
02:30 mtj hey dcook:  do you remember how to define a ICU 'locale' ?
02:30 tcohen mtj: no worries
02:30 mtj Karam's guide mentions an 'ar' locale.. but i cant see where it is set?
02:31 dcook Mmm I'm not sure the locale is actually used but let me check
02:32 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]of_Arabic_records
02:33 mtj ..it seems one would add a 'ko' block to the words-icu.xml, to enable korean
02:33 dcook Looks like
02:34 mtj but then.. how does one tell zebra/koha to *use* that 'ko' block?
02:34 dcook I know, right?
02:34 dcook No idea
02:34 mtj does it just happen automagically?
02:34 dcook I was just thinking about that
02:34 dcook It'll just use it
02:34 dcook But I wonder how you'd specify multiple different ones..
02:37 mtj perhaps zebra auto-detects korean characters... and.. uses that definition?
02:37 * mtj makes up some stuff..
02:37 dcook I think that would be giving it too much credit
02:37 mtj http://www.localeplanet.com/icu/ko-KR/
02:37 Francesca massey uni has had a threat
02:37 dcook Also your friend: http://userguide.icu-project.org/locale
02:37 Francesca 3rd uni in 2 days
02:37 mtj http://userguide.icu-project.org/locale
02:37 mtj ah, snap ^
02:37 dcook hehe
02:38 dcook Looks like it might use the locale for stemming... https://github.com/nla/yaz/blo[…]ter/src/stemmer.c
02:38 dcook You could go through the yaz files to find an answer
02:39 * dcook recalls doing that once...
02:39 dcook You could also email Adam. He's been pretty responsive to emails from Koha folk I think
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02:42 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "may or may not be useful" (273 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/95
02:43 dcook The demo site is fun for playing
02:44 dcook Yeah, I don't think there is a way to indicate the locale
02:45 dcook mtj: You're referring to the icu_chain.xml in default.idx
02:45 dcook So Zebra knows to use that icu_chain
02:45 dcook I think it then uses the icu_chain locale attribute for the stemmer
02:45 dcook Just like we use locale attributes in C4::Search for the stemmer
02:45 dcook locale values..
02:45 dcook *
02:47 dcook Wish I knew more...
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02:49 dcook That moment when you're going to ghost a nick and then it quits...
02:50 mtj yep, zebra knows to use 'icuchain words-icu.xml'..
02:50 dcook And I assume you can only provide one icu_chain within that file
02:50 dcook So it'll just use whatever attribute you have in there
02:51 mtj but, it seems word-icu.xml can have multiple locale='xx' defintions
02:51 dcook "The icu_chain element has one required attribute locale which specifies the ICU locale to be used in the conversion steps."
02:52 dcook or rather..
02:52 dcook "The toplevel element must be named icu_chain. The icu_chain element has one required attribute locale which specifies the ICU locale to be used in the conversion steps." http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-icu.html
02:53 dcook Don't think you can duplicate attributes in XML
02:55 mtj hmm, ok - thats makes sense
02:56 mtj i was a bit confused by Karam's statement..
02:56 mtj "(note that searching for other locales will still work even if you have your locale set to ar)
02:56 mtj "
02:58 mtj ..and was imaginng a words-icu.xml file, with many defs..
02:58 mtj <icu_chain locale="ko"> ... </icu_chain>
02:58 mtj <icu_chain locale="ar"> ... </icu_chain>
02:58 mtj ..so that clears that up , thanks :)
03:00 dcook Yeah, I originally thought that maybe you could have multiple icu_chain elements, but I don't think so
03:00 dcook I think Karam meant that you can search using other languages
03:00 dcook You'd have to double-check yaz and zebra sourcecode to know exactly where that locale gets used I think
03:01 dcook I think the stemmer is one place
03:01 dcook In theory, I think ICU is supposed to be set up in a way where you could alternate locales easily (like on an operating system)
03:01 dcook But I'm not sure how well it would work in this case... which is probably why they only allow you to specify one
03:01 dcook Because a record doesn't really have a locale...
03:02 dcook A record can contain any number of languages
03:02 * dcook doesn't envy the Indexdata folk
03:02 dcook Seems like it's a tough pickle
03:15 mtj yeah, its a scary problem
03:16 mtj everywhere on the net, people seem to generally be saying 'run away!'
03:19 eythian records do have a language tag I think
03:19 eythian s/do/can/
03:21 dcook eythian: good point
03:21 wahanui I know! The blade went right through that child!
03:21 dcook ...
03:22 dcook eythian: "mul - Multiple languages"
03:22 eythian yeah
03:22 dcook "sgn - Sign languages"
03:22 dcook I didn't know about that one
03:22 eythian it's MARC, it's not a perfect system.
03:22 eythian what
03:22 eythian how can you have a record in sign?
03:23 dcook ikr?
03:23 eythian are you sure you're not looking at the language of the content rather than the metadata?
03:23 dcook Oh, almost certainly the language of the content
03:24 dcook I can't think of a language for the metadata...
03:24 dcook But you have fields like...
03:24 dcook Can't find the fields now
03:25 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd880.html
03:26 mtj the guide has some diff. info.. looks interesting
03:26 mtj http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/[…]guage%20searching
03:26 eythian ick
03:26 mtj change <icu_chain locale="en"> to <icu_chain locale="en_IN.UTF-8">
03:26 wahanui mtj: that doesn't look right
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03:27 dcook In general, I don't think that's a very reliable guide
03:27 mtj ..add line at the bottom of the file  /etc/koha/sites/library/zebra-biblios.cfg
03:27 mtj index: icu.idx
03:27 eythian actually, I can't find anything about a record having a language code. Maybe I got my wires crossed somewhere.
03:27 dcook In fact, that looks like it wouldn't even do anything
03:28 dcook eythian: I think so
03:29 eythian I have seen the occasional record in mixed language
03:29 mtj https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html
03:29 mtj eythian: i think its a thing ^
03:30 eythian that's not the language code for a record
03:30 eythian that's the language code for an item
03:31 dcook A certain number of fields will always be the language of the items, but it does make me wonder about things like authorities..
03:31 dcook Is it just assumed to be English..
03:31 dcook Or do they not record that info
03:31 dcook mtj: The last thing I would do is follow kohageek.pbworks.com instructions
03:32 eythian dcook++
03:32 dcook I suppose I often talk like I know what I'm talking about... but I think I at least link back to source documentation and actual examples
03:32 dcook And provide justifications
03:35 eythian have a look at the 650 for Intermediate Perl / isbn 0596102062 | 9780596102067
03:35 eythian that's one that confused me a lot ages ago
03:36 dcook ?
03:37 * dcook wanders off to find food
03:38 eythian it's a mixed language record
03:39 tcohen eythian: if MARC had the chance of setting the language the metadata is in, we would be forced to say MARC is reasonable
03:39 eythian no, I don't think so.
03:40 eythian it'd just be a small improvement.
03:40 tcohen heh
03:41 wizzyrea phew I hope that's about all we need on bug 8753
03:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Add forgot password link to OPAC
03:41 wizzyrea I want that in 3.22 >.<
03:42 tcohen wizzyrea: i like jagermeister
03:42 tcohen just saying
03:42 wizzyrea :D
03:42 tcohen :-P
03:43 wizzyrea <
03:43 wizzyrea <3
03:43 * wizzyrea looks for an online distributor in Argentina
03:43 tcohen heh
03:48 wizzyrea right friends, I'm outtie see you tomorrow
03:49 tcohen bye wizzyrea
04:03 tcohen night
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04:19 mtj eythian: agreed re: your language code point :0)
04:37 dcook hmm jagermeister
04:37 * dcook always thought tcohen had good taste
04:37 dcook And is ridiculously good at motorcycle games in arcades
04:38 dcook And he isn't even here to enjoy the praise
04:50 dcook Riddle me this:
04:50 dcook http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/7[…]rsionId=184901696
04:50 dcook It states that the work is "Freely available"
04:51 dcook at: http:/​/​openlibrary.org/​books/​OL22253601M
04:51 dcook But when you click on the "Read" link there, it pops up this guy: https://openlibrary.org/books/[…]_book_thief/daisy
04:51 dcook "This DAISY file is protected.
04:51 dcook It can only be opened on a specialized device with a key issued by the Library of Congress."
04:52 eythian presumably it's an error
04:52 * dcook is confused
04:52 dcook Then there's all sorts of stuff about how you can use DAISY-supplied software to read it on PCs
04:53 dcook Ah some DAISY files have DRM and some don't?
04:54 dcook "DAISY books that do not carry digital rights management can be played on a wide range of devices, from dedicated talking book players to devices such as the iPod."
04:55 dcook "This DAISY book is encrypted with a key from the National Library Service, and may be read on appropriate reading devices with the key installed."
05:01 dcook https://openlibrary.org/help/f[…]#daisy-device-key
05:01 dcook In summary, it would indeed appear to be an error to say it is freely available
05:04 dcook So far the National Library webpage has told me I can access an encrypted ebook for free... and it's giving me all these options to buy it online
05:04 dcook No idea where I can find a copy through a/the library though
05:05 dcook Oh wait... an elementary school in Victoria...
05:05 dcook Which is apparently open to the public O_o
05:05 dcook Yep definitely not open to the public
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06:18 eythian http://www.findtheinvisiblecow.com/
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06:57 Joubu hi
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06:59 reiveune hello
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07:17 Joubu eythian: still around?
07:18 * magnuse waves
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07:20 magnuse bonjour Joubu et gaetan_B
07:20 gaetan_B bonjour :)
07:22 magnuse @wunder boo
07:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:22 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 16.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
07:22 magnuse @wunder thessaloniki
07:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 20.0°C (9:50 AM EEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:22 magnuse heh
07:26 liw @wunder torrevieja
07:26 huginn liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 21.0°C (9:26 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
07:27 magnuse ooh, anyone able to beat that?
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07:39 cdickinson @wunder nzwn
07:39 huginn cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:30 PM NZDT on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
07:56 ex-parrot huh, neat
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10:06 drojf hi #koha
10:15 dojobo hello
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10:47 xarragon_ Hmm, when inserting sysprefs with the INSERT IGNORE syntax, will it overwrite existing values or keep them? Replace them I guess? The manual is a bit unclear.
10:49 Joubu nothing will be changed
11:24 mtj xarragon_: i think you are describing REPLACE ?
11:24 mtj https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refm[…]0/en/replace.html
11:37 drojf there is a lot of comments in my SRU response. i don't think it is supposed to be like this?
11:39 drojf with old default passwords and all. lol
11:45 drojf bug 12836
11:45 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , SRU Explain file needs to be rewritten
11:46 drojf "extreme new alpha stuff"
11:46 drojf :D
11:47 xarragon_ "eXXXtreme to the maxx!"?
11:48 xarragon_ Like as in, 90's extreme, rad and totally tubular, dude?
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12:02 drojf we do not really need any of these indexes besides CQL, do we?
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12:20 igor hi everyone
12:21 igor I'm trying to test koha locally, on a Debian Jessie environnement. It's the second time I'm doing this, and this time I encountering a problem that I've managed to solve the first time, but I can't remember how...
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12:24 igor I don't know what URL using to get the web admin interface, I mean it's localhost, so how do I do to configure apache to reach something like library-intra.domain.tld...
12:24 igor I'm sure the solution is obvious, but I can't see it... :)
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12:28 tcohen morning!
12:29 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:29 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 15.1°C (9:25 AM ART on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
12:33 ashimema morning tcohen
12:33 * ashimema is hoping to finally take a look at the api patches today :)
12:33 tcohen hi ashimema
12:33 tcohen ashimema: that sounds great
12:34 * ashimema is also hoping to add a further covers provider to koha (BDS which is rather UK oriented me thinks) and may use it as an excuse to try out the api's work
12:36 igor configuring /etc/hosts helped me...
12:39 tcohen ashimema: sounds like a great idea
12:43 * tcohen hates update-control
12:44 tcohen paul_p: can u point me to the devops guy in biblibre that can press the reset button on the jenkins server please?
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13:34 paul_p tcohen = biblibre is paying for jenkins, but I'm not sure we know how to reset it... looking now. (rangi must know, for sure)
13:35 tcohen paul_p: yeah, but he's on vacation still (me thinks)
13:35 tcohen I recall someone there had access
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13:39 paul_p tcohen = clrh_ has required accesses & has restarted the server ;-)
13:39 tcohen paul_p++ clrh++
13:39 tcohen thanks!
13:40 clrh_ :)
13:42 tcohen clrh: it is now happily up and running our precious tests :-D
13:43 tcohen paul_p: can u buy clrh a beer on my behalf?
13:43 paul_p tcohen = she drinked too much beer yesterday already ;-)
13:44 clrh :)
13:44 tcohen heh
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14:17 ashimema jajm about?
14:19 ashimema just wondering if we are actually intending to use mojolicious cookies to maintain api 'sessions'
14:19 ashimema I'll comment on the bug intead
14:24 jajm ashimema, i'm not sure to understand what you mean by "maintaining api sessions" ?
14:25 ashimema are we using mojolicious sessions at all..
14:25 ashimema if not, then there's no need to make the mojo secret configurable
14:26 ashimema as the only thing it's used for is the hmac signing of the mojolicious session cookie
14:26 ashimema we are instead relying on cgisessid which is the cookie created by the cgi method login already baked into koha
14:26 tcohen ashimema: the latter
14:26 wahanui the latter is already done
14:26 ashimema thus I think adding the secret as configurable in koha-conf is actually more misleading than useful
14:27 tcohen maybe a next-step action
14:27 ashimema next-step of what.. sorry..
14:27 ashimema slightly confused.. you mean next step 'might' use the mojolicious cookie?
14:28 ashimema i've commented on the bug on bugzilla now.. so we can record the result of this conversation there
14:28 ashimema once I understand what the result is ;)
14:33 jajm ashimema, if we don't need secrets at all, then we can simple remove the patch... i don't think we should add code only to hide a debug message (it's just a debug message after all)
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14:33 jajm simply*
14:33 ashimema that's a fair comment :)
14:33 ashimema we could remove it entirely
14:35 * ashimema thinks as auths bitch he really aught to dig into our session cookie... he has no idea if it's hmac signed or not at the moment.
14:38 ashimema also.. is the 'authorization' level stuff in another bug..?
14:39 ashimema can't currently find it.. but I'm likely just being dense ;)
14:53 jajm ashimema, http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14868 ?
14:53 huginn Bug 14868: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking
14:54 ashimema aha.. brill
14:54 ashimema thanks jajm
14:55 ashimema that make much more sense for now..
14:55 ashimema I was struggling to untangle 13920 ;)
14:55 ashimema thanks
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15:08 Dyrcona rangi: Got a minute for a private question about NCIPServer?
15:11 ashimema it's round about 4.10am over there I think Dyrcona ;)
15:11 ashimema likely rangi is asleep ;)
15:11 Dyrcona Oh, yeah.. I left my cell phone at my desk.
15:12 Dyrcona I have it also show me time in LA and Wellington for people that I usually chat with. :)
15:12 Dyrcona @later tell rangi PM me for a question about NCIPServer.
15:12 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
15:13 Dyrcona Thanks ashimema.
15:14 * Dyrcona is in a training class for the ILL software that NCIPServer was written to interface with.
15:14 ashimema ill.. :)
15:16 ashimema https://github.com/PTFS-Europe[…]ree/ill_community Dyrcona you may be interested in this stuff then ;)
15:16 ashimema my colleague is currently knocking it into shape for submission.. and magnuse is thinking about NCIP backends for it I believe..
15:16 Dyrcona Cool. I'll have a look.
15:16 ashimema bit of a team effort going on there :)
15:18 Dyrcona My questions usually have to do with integrating my changes into the main NCIPServer branch that I consider owned by rangi, but this time I wanted to make sure that I understand what the Koha side is doing.
15:19 ashimema :)
15:19 Dyrcona I was comparing what Evergreen does with Koha in one area, and it looks the same, but I wanted to make sure.
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15:23 ashimema jajm looks like we're both looking at this bug at the same time..
15:23 ashimema I'll go rebae my patches and re-upload..
15:24 jajm ashimema, yes apparently :)
15:24 ashimema just warning you not to grab my patches for now as they'll likely be out of sync
15:25 ashimema this is where bugzilla isn't especially clever ;)
15:26 ashimema I wan't to do a pull --rebase :(
15:26 ashimema but as they're 'only patches'
15:26 ashimema lol
15:28 jajm ashimema, does the "swagger.json split" work with Swagger2 0.28 ?
15:29 ashimema no
15:29 ashimema but the module is rather experimental at .28
15:29 ashimema we're at .58 already..
15:30 ashimema and development is still moving fast on it.. I'd suggest we try to keep up
15:30 jajm so wee need to upgrade the debian package...
15:30 jajm -e
15:31 ashimema which kinda raises my biggest fear with Mojo at the moment.. it's a fast moving project with security fixes etc going in super quick.. debian can't easily keep up :(
15:31 ashimema I'm not entirely sure hwo to manage that conundrum :(
15:31 ashimema was wondering about stratopan.. seeing if we can somehow remove our reliance upon system perl
15:36 ashimema I have a real love/hate relationship with packages these days..
15:36 ashimema they certainly make installation for the novice way easier..
15:37 ashimema but they also bring all sorts of pain in terms of maintaining compatibility and trying to move forward too
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16:04 pianohacker Joubu: I spammed the everloving heck out of bug 11559, but buried in there are some requests for clarification from you. Please take a look when you get a chance :)
16:04 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface
16:05 Joubu pianohacker: yep, will do tomorrow,
16:05 Joubu for the subfield check, I don't know if the current behavior is buggy or if it's yours
16:06 Joubu "What is the intended effect of an ignored/mandatory subfield?" I don't know :)
16:06 Joubu answer tomorrow!
16:06 pianohacker totally fine, thanks!
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16:28 Joubu ashimema, jajm, khall, tcohen: sent a patch on bug 14974, I would like you to have a look to collect ideas and start a discussion
16:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities
16:28 Joubu have a good evening #koha!
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17:07 ashimema Joubu++ #I'll have a look this evening :)
17:09 ashimema also looking at bug 14828 to update my koha::objects knolledge.. thakns tcoen, joubu
17:09 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the item types related code to Koha::ItemTypes
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17:31 tcohen Joubu++
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18:32 * cait waves
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18:39 tcohen hi cait!
18:39 cait hi tcohen
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18:53 mveron Good evening / daytime everybody
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20:08 BobB hi
20:08 BobB is there a meeting now?
20:09 BobB http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_7_October_2015
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20:11 thd BobB: Yes there should be a meeting now.
20:12 thd BobB:: Did you see a reminder about the meeting on the mailing lists?
20:13 BobB no, i'm just out of bed tbh
20:14 thd I have been running around helping two old people I know avoid eviction.
20:15 wizzyrea thd++
20:19 pianohacker thd: still in the midst of that?
20:20 thd pioanohacker: The judge has up to 60 days to rule on my friend's motion to dismiss the case.
20:22 BobB what about this meeting?  there's not much on the agenda
20:23 BobB shall we skip it?
20:23 BobB breakfast beckons for /me
20:30 BobB catch you next time thd
20:30 thd pioanohacker: We have cured the basic complaint two months ago.   However, the landlord's lawyer is trying to assert that even a very neat but large personal library is a fire hazard.
20:31 thd Are there enough people here to have a meeting?
20:31 mtj hi folks, i'm about...
20:32 thd pianohacker: Did you see a reminder about meeting on the mailing list?
20:32 pianohacker nope
20:33 pianohacker thd: that's unfortunate... sorry to hear
20:34 mtj i think the meeting reminder email didnt happen
20:35 thd pianohacker: In New York City, even very high rents are never high enough for many of the type of people who are now in the business of being a landlord.  The nice landlords have largely sold out to the mean ones.
20:35 pianohacker sounds like new york...
20:38 thd pioanohacker:  I am largely finished helping my friend in a major way where I was spending every day helping him restore things to how I had seen them years ago and better.  However, the case is continuing in housing court.
20:39 pianohacker thd: you're like bag used to be with his creative spellings of pianohacker ;)
20:39 pianohacker pananohacker, panohacker, paninihacker
20:39 thd He he
20:40 bag my best ever was pianocaker
20:40 bag heh
20:40 thd pianohacker:  My spell checker marks the correct and incorrect spellings wrong.
20:41 pianohacker it's not a common word (thankfully for getting usernames)
20:41 pianohacker bag: wow your memory... that was 2009! http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]ick=&q=pianocaker
20:41 pianohacker like, that was from the brendan/bg era!
20:41 bag yeah :)
20:42 bag told ya I’ve got a decent memory
20:43 pianohacker if a selective one ;)
20:44 wizzyrea that's a pretty memorable typo.
20:49 thd At this point, I will assume a lack of reminder has killed the prospects for a productive meeting.  Should we hold a meeting to at least set the date and time of the next meeting?
20:50 pianohacker heh. I'd say we put that on the mailing list
20:50 thd Ok
20:54 thd I am going to run then to catch up to the other person I am helping in a minimal way.  This person is merely a little behind on his rent because he procrastinated about doing things earlier.
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21:17 enomao hi
21:43 wizzyrea hi
21:44 wnickc hello
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22:48 Francesca hi
22:48 wahanui que tal, Francesca
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23:21 wizzyrea I've just had a report of the ajax circ doubling up circulations. I wonder if anyone else has seen that?
23:25 pianohacker wizzyrea: circulations? like double issues table entries?
23:26 wizzyrea yep
23:26 pianohacker wtf
23:26 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14069
23:26 huginn Bug 14069: blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Follow-up 13790: Fix database update to drop PK on issues/old_issues first
23:26 wizzyrea I think i'ts because of this
23:26 pianohacker wizzyrea: what version?
23:26 wahanui it has been said that version is always noted in a comment on top
23:26 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "double issues" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/99
23:27 wizzyrea 3,20
23:27 wizzyrea they have 8 occurrences of this since they upgraded to 3.20
23:27 wizzyrea this particular library
23:28 pianohacker what do you mean by ajax circ? the renew/return from the datatable?
23:28 wizzyrea i mean using the not-so-new-now circulation interface
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23:29 wizzyrea to be fair it probably has more to do with there now not being a PK on the issues table on itemnumber
23:29 wizzyrea but it should probably have a unique
23:29 wizzyrea (as colin notes)
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23:38 martian523 need help! i created a basket. then tried to receive shipment, then it says "no orders found"
23:38 wizzyrea You need to close the basket
23:38 wizzyrea martian523 ^ :)
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