Time Nick Message 23:38 wizzyrea martian523 ^ :) 23:38 wizzyrea You need to close the basket 23:38 martian523 need help! i created a basket. then tried to receive shipment, then it says "no orders found" 23:29 wizzyrea (as colin notes) 23:29 wizzyrea but it should probably have a unique 23:29 wizzyrea to be fair it probably has more to do with there now not being a PK on the issues table on itemnumber 23:28 wizzyrea i mean using the not-so-new-now circulation interface 23:28 pianohacker what do you mean by ajax circ? the renew/return from the datatable? 23:27 wizzyrea this particular library 23:27 wizzyrea they have 8 occurrences of this since they upgraded to 3.20 23:27 wizzyrea 3,20 23:26 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "double issues" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/99 23:26 wahanui it has been said that version is always noted in a comment on top 23:26 pianohacker wizzyrea: what version? 23:26 wizzyrea I think i'ts because of this 23:26 huginn 04Bug 14069: blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Follow-up 13790: Fix database update to drop PK on issues/old_issues first 23:26 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14069 23:26 pianohacker wtf 23:26 wizzyrea yep 23:25 pianohacker wizzyrea: circulations? like double issues table entries? 23:21 wizzyrea I've just had a report of the ajax circ doubling up circulations. I wonder if anyone else has seen that? 22:48 wahanui que tal, Francesca 22:48 Francesca hi 21:48 eythian hi 21:44 wnickc hello 21:43 wizzyrea hi 21:17 enomao hi 20:54 thd I am going to run then to catch up to the other person I am helping in a minimal way. This person is merely a little behind on his rent because he procrastinated about doing things earlier. 20:50 thd Ok 20:50 pianohacker heh. I'd say we put that on the mailing list 20:49 thd At this point, I will assume a lack of reminder has killed the prospects for a productive meeting. Should we hold a meeting to at least set the date and time of the next meeting? 20:44 wizzyrea that's a pretty memorable typo. 20:43 pianohacker if a selective one ;) 20:42 bag told ya I’ve got a decent memory 20:41 bag yeah :) 20:41 pianohacker like, that was from the brendan/bg era! 20:41 pianohacker bag: wow your memory... that was 2009! http://irc.koha-community.org/search.pl?channel=koha&nick=&q=pianocaker 20:41 pianohacker it's not a common word (thankfully for getting usernames) 20:40 thd pianohacker: My spell checker marks the correct and incorrect spellings wrong. 20:40 bag heh 20:40 bag my best ever was pianocaker 20:39 thd He he 20:39 pianohacker pananohacker, panohacker, paninihacker 20:39 pianohacker thd: you're like bag used to be with his creative spellings of pianohacker ;) 20:38 thd pioanohacker: I am largely finished helping my friend in a major way where I was spending every day helping him restore things to how I had seen them years ago and better. However, the case is continuing in housing court. 20:35 pianohacker sounds like new york... 20:35 thd pianohacker: In New York City, even very high rents are never high enough for many of the type of people who are now in the business of being a landlord. The nice landlords have largely sold out to the mean ones. 20:34 mtj i think the meeting reminder email didnt happen 20:33 pianohacker thd: that's unfortunate... sorry to hear 20:32 pianohacker nope 20:32 thd pianohacker: Did you see a reminder about meeting on the mailing list? 20:31 mtj hi folks, i'm about... 20:31 thd Are there enough people here to have a meeting? 20:30 thd pioanohacker: We have cured the basic complaint two months ago. However, the landlord's lawyer is trying to assert that even a very neat but large personal library is a fire hazard. 20:30 BobB catch you next time thd 20:23 BobB breakfast beckons for /me 20:23 BobB shall we skip it? 20:22 BobB what about this meeting? there's not much on the agenda 20:20 thd pioanohacker: The judge has up to 60 days to rule on my friend's motion to dismiss the case. 20:19 pianohacker thd: still in the midst of that? 20:15 wizzyrea thd++ 20:14 thd I have been running around helping two old people I know avoid eviction. 20:13 BobB no, i'm just out of bed tbh 20:12 thd BobB:: Did you see a reminder about the meeting on the mailing lists? 20:11 thd BobB: Yes there should be a meeting now. 20:09 BobB http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_7_October_2015 20:08 BobB is there a meeting now? 20:08 BobB hi 18:53 mveron Good evening / daytime everybody 18:39 cait hi tcohen 18:39 tcohen hi cait! 18:32 * cait waves 17:31 tcohen Joubu++ 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the item types related code to Koha::ItemTypes 17:09 ashimema also looking at bug 14828 to update my koha::objects knolledge.. thakns tcoen, joubu 17:07 ashimema Joubu++ #I'll have a look this evening :) 16:28 Joubu have a good evening #koha! 16:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 16:28 Joubu ashimema, jajm, khall, tcohen: sent a patch on bug 14974, I would like you to have a look to collect ideas and start a discussion 16:06 pianohacker totally fine, thanks! 16:06 Joubu answer tomorrow! 16:06 Joubu "What is the intended effect of an ignored/mandatory subfield?" I don't know :) 16:05 Joubu for the subfield check, I don't know if the current behavior is buggy or if it's yours 16:05 Joubu pianohacker: yep, will do tomorrow, 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface 16:04 pianohacker Joubu: I spammed the everloving heck out of bug 11559, but buried in there are some requests for clarification from you. Please take a look when you get a chance :) 15:37 ashimema but they also bring all sorts of pain in terms of maintaining compatibility and trying to move forward too 15:36 ashimema they certainly make installation for the novice way easier.. 15:36 ashimema I have a real love/hate relationship with packages these days.. 15:31 ashimema was wondering about stratopan.. seeing if we can somehow remove our reliance upon system perl 15:31 ashimema I'm not entirely sure hwo to manage that conundrum :( 15:31 ashimema which kinda raises my biggest fear with Mojo at the moment.. it's a fast moving project with security fixes etc going in super quick.. debian can't easily keep up :( 15:30 jajm -e 15:30 jajm so wee need to upgrade the debian package... 15:30 ashimema and development is still moving fast on it.. I'd suggest we try to keep up 15:29 ashimema we're at .58 already.. 15:29 ashimema but the module is rather experimental at .28 15:29 ashimema no 15:28 jajm ashimema, does the "swagger.json split" work with Swagger2 0.28 ? 15:26 ashimema lol 15:26 ashimema but as they're 'only patches' 15:26 ashimema I wan't to do a pull --rebase :( 15:25 ashimema this is where bugzilla isn't especially clever ;) 15:24 ashimema just warning you not to grab my patches for now as they'll likely be out of sync 15:24 jajm ashimema, yes apparently :) 15:23 ashimema I'll go rebae my patches and re-upload.. 15:23 ashimema jajm looks like we're both looking at this bug at the same time.. 15:19 Dyrcona I was comparing what Evergreen does with Koha in one area, and it looks the same, but I wanted to make sure. 15:19 ashimema :) 15:18 Dyrcona My questions usually have to do with integrating my changes into the main NCIPServer branch that I consider owned by rangi, but this time I wanted to make sure that I understand what the Koha side is doing. 15:16 ashimema bit of a team effort going on there :) 15:16 Dyrcona Cool. I'll have a look. 15:16 ashimema my colleague is currently knocking it into shape for submission.. and magnuse is thinking about NCIP backends for it I believe.. 15:16 ashimema https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/koha/tree/ill_community Dyrcona you may be interested in this stuff then ;) 15:14 ashimema ill.. :) 15:14 * Dyrcona is in a training class for the ILL software that NCIPServer was written to interface with. 15:13 Dyrcona Thanks ashimema. 15:12 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. 15:12 Dyrcona @later tell rangi PM me for a question about NCIPServer. 15:12 Dyrcona I have it also show me time in LA and Wellington for people that I usually chat with. :) 15:11 Dyrcona Oh, yeah.. I left my cell phone at my desk. 15:11 ashimema likely rangi is asleep ;) 15:11 ashimema it's round about 4.10am over there I think Dyrcona ;) 15:08 Dyrcona rangi: Got a minute for a private question about NCIPServer? 14:55 ashimema thanks 14:55 ashimema I was struggling to untangle 13920 ;) 14:55 ashimema that make much more sense for now.. 14:54 ashimema thanks jajm 14:54 ashimema aha.. brill 14:53 huginn 04Bug 14868: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking 14:53 jajm ashimema, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14868 ? 14:39 ashimema can't currently find it.. but I'm likely just being dense ;) 14:38 ashimema also.. is the 'authorization' level stuff in another bug..? 14:35 * ashimema thinks as auths bitch he really aught to dig into our session cookie... he has no idea if it's hmac signed or not at the moment. 14:33 ashimema we could remove it entirely 14:33 ashimema that's a fair comment :) 14:33 jajm simply* 14:33 jajm ashimema, if we don't need secrets at all, then we can simple remove the patch... i don't think we should add code only to hide a debug message (it's just a debug message after all) 14:28 ashimema once I understand what the result is ;) 14:28 ashimema i've commented on the bug on bugzilla now.. so we can record the result of this conversation there 14:27 ashimema slightly confused.. you mean next step 'might' use the mojolicious cookie? 14:27 ashimema next-step of what.. sorry.. 14:27 tcohen maybe a next-step action 14:26 ashimema thus I think adding the secret as configurable in koha-conf is actually more misleading than useful 14:26 wahanui the latter is already done 14:26 tcohen ashimema: the latter 14:26 ashimema we are instead relying on cgisessid which is the cookie created by the cgi method login already baked into koha 14:26 ashimema as the only thing it's used for is the hmac signing of the mojolicious session cookie 14:25 ashimema if not, then there's no need to make the mojo secret configurable 14:25 ashimema are we using mojolicious sessions at all.. 14:24 jajm ashimema, i'm not sure to understand what you mean by "maintaining api sessions" ? 14:19 ashimema I'll comment on the bug intead 14:19 ashimema just wondering if we are actually intending to use mojolicious cookies to maintain api 'sessions' 14:17 ashimema jajm about? 13:44 tcohen heh 13:44 clrh :) 13:43 paul_p tcohen = she drinked too much beer yesterday already ;-) 13:43 tcohen paul_p: can u buy clrh a beer on my behalf? 13:42 tcohen clrh: it is now happily up and running our precious tests :-D 13:40 clrh_ :) 13:39 tcohen thanks! 13:39 tcohen paul_p++ clrh++ 13:39 paul_p tcohen = clrh_ has required accesses & has restarted the server ;-) 13:35 tcohen I recall someone there had access 13:35 tcohen paul_p: yeah, but he's on vacation still (me thinks) 13:34 paul_p tcohen = biblibre is paying for jenkins, but I'm not sure we know how to reset it... looking now. (rangi must know, for sure) 12:44 tcohen paul_p: can u point me to the devops guy in biblibre that can press the reset button on the jenkins server please? 12:43 * tcohen hates update-control 12:39 tcohen ashimema: sounds like a great idea 12:36 igor configuring /etc/hosts helped me... 12:34 * ashimema is also hoping to add a further covers provider to koha (BDS which is rather UK oriented me thinks) and may use it as an excuse to try out the api's work 12:33 tcohen ashimema: that sounds great 12:33 tcohen hi ashimema 12:33 * ashimema is hoping to finally take a look at the api patches today :) 12:33 ashimema morning tcohen 12:29 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 15.1°C (9:25 AM ART on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 12:29 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:28 tcohen morning! 12:24 igor I'm sure the solution is obvious, but I can't see it... :) 12:24 igor I don't know what URL using to get the web admin interface, I mean it's localhost, so how do I do to configure apache to reach something like library-intra.domain.tld... 12:21 igor I'm trying to test koha locally, on a Debian Jessie environnement. It's the second time I'm doing this, and this time I encountering a problem that I've managed to solve the first time, but I can't remember how... 12:20 igor hi everyone 12:02 drojf we do not really need any of these indexes besides CQL, do we? 11:48 xarragon_ Like as in, 90's extreme, rad and totally tubular, dude? 11:47 xarragon_ "eXXXtreme to the maxx!"? 11:46 drojf :D 11:46 drojf "extreme new alpha stuff" 11:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , SRU Explain file needs to be rewritten 11:45 drojf bug 12836 11:39 drojf with old default passwords and all. lol 11:38 magnuse [off] drojf: that is what mine look like too: http://sksk.bibkat.no:9995/biblios 11:37 drojf [off] http://staff.abunchofthings.net:9998/biblios 11:37 drojf there is a lot of comments in my SRU response. i don't think it is supposed to be like this? 11:24 mtj https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replace.html 11:24 mtj xarragon_: i think you are describing REPLACE ? 10:49 Joubu nothing will be changed 10:47 xarragon_ Hmm, when inserting sysprefs with the INSERT IGNORE syntax, will it overwrite existing values or keep them? Replace them I guess? The manual is a bit unclear. 10:15 dojobo hello 10:06 drojf hi #koha 07:56 ex-parrot huh, neat 07:39 huginn cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:30 PM NZDT on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 07:39 cdickinson @wunder nzwn 07:27 magnuse ooh, anyone able to beat that? 07:26 huginn liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 21.0°C (9:26 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 07:26 liw @wunder torrevieja 07:22 magnuse heh 07:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 20.0°C (9:50 AM EEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 07:22 magnuse @wunder thessaloniki 07:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 16.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 07:22 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 07:22 magnuse @wunder boo 07:20 gaetan_B bonjour :) 07:20 magnuse bonjour Joubu et gaetan_B 07:18 * magnuse waves 07:17 Joubu eythian: still around? 06:59 reiveune hello 06:57 Joubu hi 06:18 eythian http://www.findtheinvisiblecow.com/ 05:05 dcook Yep definitely not open to the public 05:05 dcook Which is apparently open to the public O_o 05:05 dcook Oh wait... an elementary school in Victoria... 05:04 dcook No idea where I can find a copy through a/the library though 05:04 dcook So far the National Library webpage has told me I can access an encrypted ebook for free... and it's giving me all these options to buy it online 05:01 dcook In summary, it would indeed appear to be an error to say it is freely available 05:01 dcook https://openlibrary.org/help/faq/accessing#daisy-device-key 04:55 dcook "This DAISY book is encrypted with a key from the National Library Service, and may be read on appropriate reading devices with the key installed." 04:54 dcook "DAISY books that do not carry digital rights management can be played on a wide range of devices, from dedicated talking book players to devices such as the iPod." 04:53 dcook Ah some DAISY files have DRM and some don't? 04:52 dcook Then there's all sorts of stuff about how you can use DAISY-supplied software to read it on PCs 04:52 * dcook is confused 04:52 eythian presumably it's an error 04:51 dcook It can only be opened on a specialized device with a key issued by the Library of Congress." 04:51 dcook "This DAISY file is protected. 04:51 dcook But when you click on the "Read" link there, it pops up this guy: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL3396557M/The_book_thief/daisy 04:51 dcook at: http:/​/​openlibrary.org/​books/​OL22253601M 04:50 dcook It states that the work is "Freely available" 04:50 dcook http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/7520930?q=the+book+thief&c=book&sort=holdings+desc&_=1444193435281&versionId=184901696 04:50 dcook Riddle me this: 04:38 dcook And he isn't even here to enjoy the praise 04:37 dcook And is ridiculously good at motorcycle games in arcades 04:37 * dcook always thought tcohen had good taste 04:37 dcook hmm jagermeister 04:19 mtj eythian: agreed re: your language code point :0) 04:03 tcohen night 03:49 tcohen bye wizzyrea 03:48 wizzyrea right friends, I'm outtie see you tomorrow 03:43 tcohen heh 03:43 * wizzyrea looks for an online distributor in Argentina 03:43 wizzyrea <3 03:43 wizzyrea < 03:42 tcohen :-P 03:42 wizzyrea :D 03:42 tcohen just saying 03:42 tcohen wizzyrea: i like jagermeister 03:41 wizzyrea I want that in 3.22 >.< 03:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Add forgot password link to OPAC 03:41 wizzyrea phew I hope that's about all we need on bug 8753 03:40 tcohen heh 03:40 eythian it'd just be a small improvement. 03:39 eythian no, I don't think so. 03:39 tcohen eythian: if MARC had the chance of setting the language the metadata is in, we would be forced to say MARC is reasonable 03:38 eythian it's a mixed language record 03:37 * dcook wanders off to find food 03:36 dcook ? 03:35 eythian that's one that confused me a lot ages ago 03:35 eythian have a look at the 650 for Intermediate Perl / isbn 0596102062 | 9780596102067 03:32 dcook And provide justifications 03:32 dcook I suppose I often talk like I know what I'm talking about... but I think I at least link back to source documentation and actual examples 03:32 eythian dcook++ 03:31 dcook mtj: The last thing I would do is follow kohageek.pbworks.com instructions 03:31 dcook Or do they not record that info 03:31 dcook Is it just assumed to be English.. 03:31 dcook A certain number of fields will always be the language of the items, but it does make me wonder about things like authorities.. 03:30 eythian that's the language code for an item 03:30 eythian that's not the language code for a record 03:29 mtj eythian: i think its a thing ^ 03:29 mtj https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html 03:29 eythian I have seen the occasional record in mixed language 03:28 dcook eythian: I think so 03:27 dcook In fact, that looks like it wouldn't even do anything 03:27 eythian actually, I can't find anything about a record having a language code. Maybe I got my wires crossed somewhere. 03:27 mtj index: icu.idx 03:27 mtj ..add line at the bottom of the file /etc/koha/sites/library/zebra-biblios.cfg 03:27 dcook In general, I don't think that's a very reliable guide 03:26 wahanui mtj: that doesn't look right 03:26 mtj change <icu_chain locale="en"> to <icu_chain locale="en_IN.UTF-8"> 03:26 eythian ick 03:26 mtj http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/31484686/zebra%20configuration%20for%20regional%20language%20searching 03:26 mtj the guide has some diff. info.. looks interesting 03:25 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd880.html 03:24 dcook Can't find the fields now 03:24 dcook But you have fields like... 03:24 dcook I can't think of a language for the metadata... 03:23 dcook Oh, almost certainly the language of the content 03:23 eythian are you sure you're not looking at the language of the content rather than the metadata? 03:23 dcook ikr? 03:22 eythian how can you have a record in sign? 03:22 eythian what 03:22 eythian it's MARC, it's not a perfect system. 03:22 dcook I didn't know about that one 03:22 dcook "sgn - Sign languages" 03:22 eythian yeah 03:22 dcook eythian: "mul - Multiple languages" 03:21 dcook ... 03:21 wahanui I know! The blade went right through that child! 03:21 dcook eythian: good point 03:19 eythian s/do/can/ 03:19 eythian records do have a language tag I think 03:16 mtj everywhere on the net, people seem to generally be saying 'run away!' 03:15 mtj yeah, its a scary problem 03:02 dcook Seems like it's a tough pickle 03:02 * dcook doesn't envy the Indexdata folk 03:02 dcook A record can contain any number of languages 03:01 dcook Because a record doesn't really have a locale... 03:01 dcook But I'm not sure how well it would work in this case... which is probably why they only allow you to specify one 03:01 dcook In theory, I think ICU is supposed to be set up in a way where you could alternate locales easily (like on an operating system) 03:01 dcook I think the stemmer is one place 03:00 dcook You'd have to double-check yaz and zebra sourcecode to know exactly where that locale gets used I think 03:00 dcook I think Karam meant that you can search using other languages 03:00 dcook Yeah, I originally thought that maybe you could have multiple icu_chain elements, but I don't think so 02:58 mtj ..so that clears that up , thanks :) 02:58 mtj <icu_chain locale="ar"> ... </icu_chain> 02:58 mtj <icu_chain locale="ko"> ... </icu_chain> 02:58 mtj ..and was imaginng a words-icu.xml file, with many defs.. 02:56 mtj " 02:56 mtj "(note that searching for other locales will still work even if you have your locale set to ar) 02:56 mtj i was a bit confused by Karam's statement.. 02:55 mtj hmm, ok - thats makes sense 02:53 dcook Don't think you can duplicate attributes in XML 02:52 dcook "The toplevel element must be named icu_chain. The icu_chain element has one required attribute locale which specifies the ICU locale to be used in the conversion steps." http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-icu.html 02:52 dcook or rather.. 02:51 dcook "The icu_chain element has one required attribute locale which specifies the ICU locale to be used in the conversion steps." 02:51 mtj but, it seems word-icu.xml can have multiple locale='xx' defintions 02:50 dcook So it'll just use whatever attribute you have in there 02:50 dcook And I assume you can only provide one icu_chain within that file 02:50 mtj yep, zebra knows to use 'icuchain words-icu.xml'.. 02:49 dcook That moment when you're going to ghost a nick and then it quits... 02:47 dcook Wish I knew more... 02:45 dcook * 02:45 dcook locale values.. 02:45 dcook Just like we use locale attributes in C4::Search for the stemmer 02:45 dcook I think it then uses the icu_chain locale attribute for the stemmer 02:45 dcook So Zebra knows to use that icu_chain 02:45 dcook mtj: You're referring to the icu_chain.xml in default.idx 02:44 dcook Yeah, I don't think there is a way to indicate the locale 02:43 dcook The demo site is fun for playing 02:42 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "may or may not be useful" (273 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/95 02:39 dcook You could also email Adam. He's been pretty responsive to emails from Koha folk I think 02:39 * dcook recalls doing that once... 02:38 dcook You could go through the yaz files to find an answer 02:38 dcook Looks like it might use the locale for stemming... https://github.com/nla/yaz/blob/master/src/stemmer.c 02:37 dcook hehe 02:37 mtj ah, snap ^ 02:37 mtj http://userguide.icu-project.org/locale 02:37 Francesca 3rd uni in 2 days 02:37 dcook Also your friend: http://userguide.icu-project.org/locale 02:37 Francesca massey uni has had a threat 02:37 mtj http://www.localeplanet.com/icu/ko-KR/ 02:37 dcook I think that would be giving it too much credit 02:37 * mtj makes up some stuff.. 02:37 mtj perhaps zebra auto-detects korean characters... and.. uses that definition? 02:34 dcook But I wonder how you'd specify multiple different ones.. 02:34 dcook It'll just use it 02:34 dcook I was just thinking about that 02:34 mtj does it just happen automagically? 02:34 dcook No idea 02:34 dcook I know, right? 02:34 mtj but then.. how does one tell zebra/koha to *use* that 'ko' block? 02:33 dcook Looks like 02:33 mtj ..it seems one would add a 'ko' block to the words-icu.xml, to enable korean 02:32 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records 02:31 dcook Mmm I'm not sure the locale is actually used but let me check 02:30 mtj Karam's guide mentions an 'ar' locale.. but i cant see where it is set? 02:30 tcohen mtj: no worries 02:30 mtj hey dcook: do you remember how to define a ICU 'locale' ? 02:29 eythian sweet, I didn't remember seeing a reply. I may have slept since then though. 02:28 tcohen but it is up, set and running 02:28 mtj hi tcohen.. thanks for tidying up my 'koha::cache holidays' patch, very appreciated! 02:28 tcohen eythian: yes, thanks. I assumed you got a later from me 02:28 eythian tcohen: did you get my email ages ago about that second build server? 02:25 dcook how're things? 02:24 tcohen hi dcook 02:23 dcook yo tcohen 02:23 tcohen hi 02:14 dcook By the wild, I mean the interwebs 02:14 dcook mtj: You might also find some files out in the wild for Korean 02:13 wizzyrea I have added something additional to my list of politically incorrect things that are giggleworthy but must never be used. 02:13 dcook Admittedly, most of my ICU knowledge is around the tokenization and normalization due to that Zebra 2.0.59 bug.. 02:13 dcook mtj: If you use yaz-client to troubleshoot it, that'll help 02:13 wizzyrea there is no way to fix that. 02:13 dcook mtj: No worries 02:12 dcook Because you'll always get it wrong 02:12 mtj dcook: ok, thanks for the info 02:12 dcook If I've learned anything in the past few years, it's never do anything publicly (well, I guess I'm not following my advice right now) and never ever ever be in charge of public PR 02:12 wizzyrea lol. 02:12 wizzyrea oh no. 02:12 dcook It is the best for these situations 02:12 wizzyrea oh dear. 02:12 dcook Yes, urban dictionary 02:12 dcook wizzyrea: It took me a minute to check 02:12 eythian wizzyrea: erm, use urban dictionary or something 02:11 dcook But I had a librarian who spoke English and Arabic to guide me 02:11 dcook Using Karam's example 02:11 dcook mtj: I think I tweaked ICU for Arabic a while back 02:11 wizzyrea ok please explain that, because I see everyone snerking but clearly there is some essential something I am missing 02:11 mtj dcook, have you tweaked ICU for certain lanuages, or other? 02:10 wizzyrea and send you an email with a link "Log in now" 02:10 dcook Twitter has actually changed theirs...I think it's worse now 02:10 wizzyrea they will detect you faffing about trying to log in 02:10 eythian https://twitter.com/WgtnCC/status/651573919393013760 <-- ahahah oh dear, someone didn't quite inform them of what things mean 02:10 dcook Hmm.. 02:10 wizzyrea now 02:10 wizzyrea you know what twitter does 02:10 wizzyrea *nod* I've already made some changes to make it more like existing service 02:09 dcook wizzyrea: I'd use existing services as an example. I think Twitter's is quite good. 02:09 dcook Yeah, yeah I suspect it would 02:09 dcook Ahh 02:09 mtj ..it currently has ICU support off - im experiemnting with enabling ICU to improve search results 02:09 dcook "not great"? 02:08 mtj dcook: i'm poking at a koha with mostly korean bibs, with "not great" search results 02:07 wizzyrea right I think I'll change the message to be consistent no matter how you mess up 02:06 dcook mtj: Yes, although I'm not sure how much time I have to speak about it. What's up? 02:06 dcook mtj: *twitches* 02:06 wizzyrea ^ this is a pretty plausible scenario, I think 02:06 mtj so.. anyone about that has any experience with Koha and ICU? 02:06 dcook Then you intimidate someone who works there into giving you info 02:05 eythian I hadn't looked from that direction 02:05 dcook You know someone's email address and you don't have access to it, but you can find out they have an account there 02:05 eythian yeah, fair enough 02:05 dcook The existence of an account is a secret I think 02:05 dcook Yeah, I don't like telling someone that there's no account 02:04 wizzyrea that's kind of my point, that's not exactly secret, but it might feel private? 02:04 eythian I suppose revealing the existance of a userid is not an ideal thing 02:03 eythian that's a secret 02:03 eythian but that's a password 02:03 wizzyrea the bank, for example, won't tell you which of your username or password was wrong, if you do it wrong 02:02 eythian so they know to not expect an email. 02:02 eythian in that case, that's fine 02:02 eythian yeah 02:01 wizzyrea which is what you get if you provide an invalid userid, but a valid email 02:01 wizzyrea " 02:01 wizzyrea Check if you typed it correctly. 02:01 wizzyrea No account was found with the provided information. 02:01 wizzyrea I think I like this message better: " 02:00 wizzyrea not borrowernumber 02:00 wizzyrea not cardnumber 02:00 wizzyrea yes, userid/login name 02:00 wizzyrea unlike many websites, we do generally have a physical presence 01:59 wahanui the userid is the OPAC login. Also the staff login if it's a staff account. 01:59 dcook The userid? 01:59 dcook Wait, what's a username? 01:59 wizzyrea and let them do it 01:59 wizzyrea and if you don't have both, you visit the library 01:59 wizzyrea so yeah I think we do need both. 01:59 wizzyrea in this case, you'd want to be sure you got the right user 01:58 wizzyrea where the kids have the parental email address 01:58 wizzyrea families, for instance 01:58 wizzyrea we have to have the combo because more than one user could have the same email 01:58 dcook Ahh right 01:58 wizzyrea right, ^ that 01:58 eythian because emails must be unique for them, but probably not for us 01:58 eythian well, many things just have you put your email in 01:58 dcook No one seems to ever say "The provided email address is not tied to this account. " 01:57 wizzyrea just like most web services 01:57 wizzyrea and then you click the link 01:57 wizzyrea it sends the email if you provide correct email and user 01:57 wizzyrea no no 01:57 eythian that seems bad 01:57 eythian wait, it lets you straight in? 01:57 eythian OK, how will you know it was the wrong email? 01:56 wizzyrea you'll get an email, for 2 01:56 wizzyrea it will let you in, for one 01:56 wizzyrea you'll get an email :P 01:56 eythian right, but you have 5 emails and you don't know which one it is, how will you know if it worked? 01:56 wizzyrea I think that's reasonable-ish 01:56 wizzyrea well, it won't let you do it without both 01:56 eythian well, then we should have brute forcing protection. 01:56 eythian also if you haven't used it for a long time, you might not know your registered email. 01:55 wizzyrea I feel like that's an invitation to bruteforcing though? 01:55 wizzyrea if you provide only a valid username, it says "hey, the email you gave isn't associated with this account" 01:55 eythian I think it's OK, neither are secrets 01:55 eythian hmm 01:55 wizzyrea it then sends you a mail 01:55 wizzyrea you are asked to provide your username and email address 01:55 wizzyrea to reset your password via email 01:55 wahanui i heard the scenario was a problematic patch across versions. 01:55 eythian what's the scenario? 01:54 wizzyrea hrm, I don't think we would want to give away that "The provided email address is not tied to this account. " when resetting a password eh 01:53 wizzyrea kewl 01:50 eythian yeah 01:49 wizzyrea it's ok for C4 modules to reference stuff in the Koha namespace right? just not the other way around? 01:47 dcook eythian: cool beans :) 01:46 wizzyrea eythian++ good suggestion for the "there might be a thing to do that already" suggestion 01:41 wizzyrea Yes, all of that. 01:38 eythian https://www.facebook.com/iScottFL/posts/10207706696650031 <-- wizzyrea 01:37 wizzyrea ^.^ 01:37 eythian well, like sticking it on a table near a plug :) 01:37 wahanui cats are endlessly entertaining. or cuddly and cute 01:37 Francesca wahanui cats 01:37 wizzyrea <.< 01:37 wizzyrea >.> 01:36 wizzyrea like a computer? 01:36 eythian (assuming you don't have something else to plug it into while it does wifi) 01:36 wizzyrea ^ that is a useful thing 01:36 eythian but the most useful thing is that it can charge at the same time. 01:36 eythian dcook: no, it's just ethernet over USB, no drivers needed. 01:32 dcook mtj: I'd assume so. 01:31 Francesca awwww kitty 01:31 dcook http://cdn.meme.am/instances/61670858.jpg 01:30 mtj no difference, in that, if you have internet, you have internet 01:30 dcook Whereas if it's Wifi, then it ain't no thing 01:29 dcook mtj: Dunno. I guess if it's using USB, the computer might need a driver for it? 01:28 Francesca lol 01:28 dcook Poke all the settings! 01:28 mtj ..so tether via usb or wifi really makes no difference 01:28 dcook ^ 01:28 Francesca also you can usually find these things if you go poking around in the settings 01:28 Francesca hahaha I only just replaced my s3 with an s5 so it was quite easy 01:27 dcook Good memory, Francesca 01:27 mtj i guess you can charge your phone via the usb, and just tether it via wifi too 01:27 dcook Wifi, usb, bluetooth 01:27 dcook I've never done it, but that's neat. 01:27 dcook Yep. Looks like it does. 01:27 dcook I've used the wifi hotspot but not sure about the usb.. 01:27 Francesca dcook: my old little s3 had a tethering option 01:26 wizzyrea actually, this is probably why my phone(s) were missing the feature. 01:26 mtj Francesca: , yep i see the option , ta 01:26 dcook Hmm don't know if I've heard of the usb tethering.. 01:25 wizzyrea ^ assholes, ATT 01:25 eythian ah yeah, the carriers here don't care 01:25 wizzyrea well and in the US, ATT didn't want you to. 01:24 Francesca if you have a look under network settings there might be an option for portable hotpost/ usb tethering 01:24 wizzyrea iphones could almost certainly do it, just apple didn't want you to :P 01:24 eythian it may have been restricted for some reason, perhaps hardware couldn't do it. But I remember once being surprised to find iphones couldn't do it, so that was a while ago. 01:24 wizzyrea (that's more an indictment of my choice of phone) 01:23 mtj Francesca: ...erm, a ... hum.. elephone p8 -> http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/7c862b54 01:23 wizzyrea because I don't remember seeing it until I had stock :( 01:22 Francesca oh mtj what phone do you have? 01:22 wizzyrea then I am sure that my crappy samsung didn't enable it 01:22 eythian mtj: that's why I'm saying they're really old features. 01:21 eythian that's definitely been around for ages too 01:21 mtj i've only got a kitkat fone... 01:21 wizzyrea I meant the portable hotspot feature 01:21 eythian I think froyo had it 01:21 mtj sweet, ive been meaning to attempt it for a while 01:21 eythian it's had it going back forever 01:20 wizzyrea (lollipop has this feature, I think) 01:20 eythian I've done the USB thing a fair bit 01:20 wizzyrea not me no, I usually set up a secure access point on my phone and just use wifi. 01:20 eythian yeah 01:20 mtj ..via usb cable? 01:19 eythian yeah 01:19 wizzyrea sure 01:19 mtj have y'all ever tethered your laptops to an android fone? 01:19 mtj hey wizzyrea, eythian.. offtopic Q here.. 01:18 eythian yeah, that's what I was thinking 01:18 wizzyrea I think it's a bit silly to add one when we might have a thing to do it already. 01:17 wizzyrea (by us) 01:17 wizzyrea right, I couldn't find a package for it I assumed it'd have to be packaged 01:17 eythian I don't see any reason why it'd be hard to package though 01:17 eythian if that isn't feasible, then we can add it, though it'd have to be packaged. 01:13 wizzyrea that is an excellent point 01:13 eythian that might have a way of doing what you need. 01:13 eythian hmm, have a look at how the salt is generated in Koha::Auth 01:13 wizzyrea (at your leisure, of course) 01:13 wizzyrea (for the packages) 01:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Add forgot password link to OPAC 01:13 wizzyrea eythian: are there any problems with adding a dependency for Math::Random::Secure - I'm looking at bug 8753