IRC log for #koha, 2015-01-15

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00:13 barton rangi -- couldn't agree more about functional logic in TT.
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00:17 barton In any case, we need something powerful enough in the 'letter' templates that we don't have to write code every time we add a new letter. I only suggested TT because I know it's up to the task. The fifty zillion ways of representing details in messages gets very hard to support.
00:19 wizzyrea it would be good if a default letter, or the content of the default letter were added to every new cloned notice.
00:19 barton The other major problem with notices is that they're hard to test... it would be nice to be able to click a button and see what the generated notice looked like.
00:19 wizzyrea I agree, I filed a bug about that ages ago ;)
00:19 wizzyrea "test mode for notices"
00:20 wizzyrea bug 8000
00:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Test mode for notices
00:20 wizzyrea oh look, it's needs signoff.
00:21 Francesca hello! rangi is there anything I can help with?
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00:31 rangi hmm i dont think so Francesca, unless you can think of some bugs that people could fix
00:32 Francesca I dont think I know any sorry
00:32 Francesca oh well
00:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12850: C4::Serials::GetLateIssues can be removed <[…]b0eeef9bcb4fdfd6e> / Bug 13537 - Focus should move to barcode after renewing via checkouts table <[…]88696bad1286823ad> / Bug 13564: Items search: rename Stock number to Inventory number <http://git.koh
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00:48 anonymous wizzyrea?
00:48 wahanui wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
00:48 anonymous omg shh
00:49 anonymous wahanui?
00:49 wahanui anonymous?
00:49 anonymous anonymous?
00:49 anonymous be quiet?
00:50 dcook Ah, anonymous is Abby?
00:50 dcook Thanks for that sign off earlier :)
00:50 Francesca anoymous is abby doing the catalyst academy?
00:50 Francesca if so hi anoymous
00:50 dcook I suppose there could be a few Abbys...
00:51 * dcook goes back to juggling three bugs at once
00:51 * wizzyrea waves
00:51 * eythian points to the 'whois' command
00:52 Francesca hi wizzyrea!
00:52 wizzyrea hi there :)
00:52 Francesca hows the academy project week going?
00:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12889: Updated pod for C4::Members::AddMember <[…]962a75782067b2c9a>
01:01 wizzyrea would seem to be going ok,
01:04 Francesca I like the page
01:05 Francesca hey rangi I'm gonna be in town all day tomorrow. Do you guys need a hand at the academy or something? I know its the last day but I'm around so
01:09 anonymous come for pizza
01:11 rangi yeah you could come in round lunch and stay for the presenations if you wanted
01:17 anonymous wait dcook how did you know?
01:17 dcook Hmm?
01:17 dcook Know what?
01:19 wizzyrea don't creep out our youngsters!
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01:23 eythian oh goody, C4::SQLHelper has its own memcache code which uses the koha-conf values, not the envvars like the entire rest of the codebase.
01:24 * eythian hopes SQLHelper gets taken out back and quietly retired some time soon
01:24 wizzyrea <wide eyes>
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01:25 wizzyrea retired. with a bullet.
01:25 krumpingallthetime ?
01:25 * eythian nukes it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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09:21 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.0 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha | Code of conduct -[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 11 February 2015 at 19 UTC | Please use for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is
09:21 rangi something keeps hammering bugzilla
09:21 rangi and it maxes out connections to mysql
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09:21 rangi and then things like the dashboard, and logbot die
09:22 rangi ill try to track it down tomorrow and add a new fail2ban rule to lock the ip out
09:22 ashimema just added another Academy bug.. help get to that magic 30 ;)
09:22 magnuse rangi: the numbers on the coreboard don't add up: 20 + 6 + 1 != 28
09:22 ashimema should be a simple one again
09:23 ashimema does Justins git-bz patch count perhaps magnuse.. I bet that wuoldn't show up
09:24 rangi magnuse: you get 2 kittens for rescuing a patch
09:31 magnuse ah, ok
09:36 Joubu rangi: Does Aleisha still working on Hea?
09:48 Joubu Do you know C4::SQLHelper is closed to
09:48 Joubu be removed?
09:48 Joubu see bug 11385
09:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , C4::SQLHelper should be removed
09:49 Joubu The only blocker is bug 12633
09:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12633 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , SQLHelper replacement - C4::Members
09:49 Joubu in C4::Members
09:49 Joubu So after a quick look, it seems that the only real patch blocking the deletion of C4::SQLHelper is bug 13021
09:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , DataTables server-side processing - guarantor search
10:55 ashimema do we have any datatables with inline editing at all yet?
10:57 magnuse ashimema: maybe the quote of the day editor?
10:58 magnuse not sure if that uses datatables, but it does have inline editing in the table
10:58 * magnuse wanders off to find lunch
10:59 ashimema thanks magnuse
11:04 ashimema wow.. that was built in 2012..
11:06 slef hi all - is anyone using subjects organised into hierarchies?  I thought I'd seen it before with careful cataloguing and authorities but it doesn't look documented anywhere obvious
11:32 ashimema matts.. I've been meaning to test your CAS patches.. is there a CAS server I can use to test against anywhere?
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12:40 cait Joubu: sorry, was in a meeting all morning, reading back now
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12:58 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.2 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha | Code of conduct -[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 11 February 2015 at 19 UTC | Please use for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is
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13:15 barton good morning #koha!
13:15 oleonard Hi barton and everyone
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13:16 barton I did a major overhaul on the 'Customizing Notices and Slips' page. See[…]ips#Notice_Markup
13:18 oleonard barton++
13:21 barton I'm soliciting for help on filling in the bottom part of the table: CHECKOUT, RENEWAL, TRANSFERSLIP, HOLD, HOLDPLACED, RESERVESLIP, ASKED, CHECKED, ACCEPTED, REJECTED, OPAC_REG_VERIFY.
13:25 akafred Anyone know of anyone integrating Tagvision with Koha?
13:26 cait barton: that's really nice
13:26 cait saw it last night, it's a good idea
13:26 cait i'd like to try and add somet to it if i get the time
13:26 cait there is also <<today>> available on some slips
13:28 barton Thanks. I'll have to look for that. I'm also missing the markup which uses '----' before and after a detail section. I think that might be in
13:33 cait hm not sure, it's for checkout and check-in slip - the DGST
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13:40 barton Also, if someone could update[…]aging_rewrite_RFC, that would be nice. Some of the changes have been made, others suggestions are obsolete. I'd like to make a link between Customising_Notices_and_Slips and the notifications RFC, but I don't want to do that until the latter has been brought into 2015.
13:41 magnuse barton++
13:43 barton anyway, I'm off to work tickets. ping me or @later me if you have further thoughts or comments.
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14:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #594 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
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14:36 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
14:36 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update funds images
14:36 magnuse stockholm university library chooses Koha:[…]otek-valjer-koha/ (they will be self hosting)
14:40 nlegrand gaetan_B: is that your work? :)
14:41 cait wow cool
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14:58 paul_p hi #koha
15:06 gaetan_B nlegrand: not completely, but i like to think that we helped in convincing them :)
15:06 ashimema what datatables version are we running at the minute.. can't seem to find a version number
15:06 gaetan_B i do hope we'll get more work with them though, it has been one of my favourite projects last year
15:10 oleonard ashimema: 1.10.2
15:12 ashimema awesome.. thqanks oleonard..
15:13 ashimema where does it say the verison btw.. I couldn't find it
15:13 ashimema probably me just being blind
15:13 ashimema so we have all the 1.10 goodness.. i can make my service more sane :)
15:13 * cait likes sane
15:15 Joubu ashimema: head -n1 koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/jquery​/plugins/jquery.dataTables.min.js
15:15 ashimema ooh.. thanks Joubu
15:16 nlegrand gaetan_B: nice :)
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16:03 reiveune bye
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16:17 Joubu Qaers: I have added a new check for the charset collate in the koha-qa repo, please update your repo
16:19 tcohen Joubu++
16:20 Joubu tcohen: there is no check for, so be aware :)
16:21 tcohen Joubu: is the followup for kohastructure.sql ready?
16:22 Joubu tcohen: yes, it's pushed
16:25 tcohen looks like I forgot to takr my pill today
16:26 tcohen :-P
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16:28 tcohen Joubu: I think I was right, it is bug 13577
16:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13577 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The correct COLLATE is not set to all DB tables
16:30 ashimema cheers Joubu
16:30 Joubu tcohen: hum? Maybe I forgot mine (pill) but I don't understand...
16:31 Joubu tcohen: you meant I didn't link the right bug number in the new commit on the koha-qa repo?
16:32 tcohen nope, was  just asking if someone is passing it, as it is a major one
16:33 Joubu tcohen: Why do you want a followup?
16:33 Joubu end of the day here...
16:34 tcohen ok, now i have both of my hands available
16:34 gaetan_B bye !
16:35 Joubu tcohen: the last updatedb entry is 11944, we don't need a followup for
16:35 tcohen bug 13577 is signed-off, is anyone testing it so it gets passed-qa?
16:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13577 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The correct COLLATE is not set to all DB tables
16:35 tcohen it patches kohastructure.sql
16:35 Joubu tcohen: yes :) but no need to fix
16:36 tcohen i know, but I don't mean to say we need to patch, at all!
16:36 Joubu had updated all tables present at the moment (with the ones updatedb by 13577 in kohastructure.sql)
16:36 Joubu hum
16:36 tcohen yes, i'm only talking about "when can I push 13577"
16:37 tcohen :D
16:37 Joubu looks like I confused everybody, even french people on the other chan
16:38 tcohen hehehe
16:39 Joubu I need to leave the computer :)
16:39 Joubu see you tomorrow
16:40 ashimema haev a good evening Joubu
16:44 paul_p hi tcohen !
16:44 paul_p tcohen I've seen your email and fw: it to lds (laurent), our sysop
16:44 tcohen great
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17:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add note about reading history deleting
17:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update anonymouspatron
17:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
17:27 mtj hi tcohen, have you got a tic for a jenkins Q?
17:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #10 for job Koha_Docs_3.16.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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17:27 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add note about reading history deleting
17:27 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update anonymouspatron
17:27 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
17:28 mtj ..the ubuntu12 box has been failling for a while, on the 3.16 branch
17:28 mtj the db seems to be missing a table column
17:29 mtj DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'contact' in 'field list' at /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_​3.16.x_U12/C4/ line 194.
17:29 mtj http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U12/34/
17:30 tcohen hi mtj
17:30 mtj heya :)
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17:30 tcohen what do u need mtj
17:31 tcohen a fresh DB?
17:31 mtj looks like aqbooksellers table is missing the 'contact' column, on u12 box
17:31 mtj hmm, i think so
17:31 mtj this is the 1st time i have this problem, with jenkins
17:32 mtj but, a fresh db sound good :)
17:32 mtj tcohen: its a quick/easy thing to do?
17:33 tcohen it is
17:33 tcohen i have a 3.12.0 dump there
17:33 mtj ah cool, lets try that then
17:36 mtj also.. no hurry :0)
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17:38 tcohen wip
17:38 tcohen done
17:38 tcohen try running it, you should see the call make lots of updates
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17:40 * ashimema wants to cry...
17:40 oleonard :(
17:40 tcohen how is that?
17:40 tcohen :(
17:40 * ashimema started to work with datatables.editable assuming that as it's on the same site and from the same people as datatables it had the same license
17:41 ashimema oh well. back to manually adding jeditable calls to a datatables based table.. this should be 'fun'
17:41 ashimema dinner time now.. I bet someone else has made that mistake before.
17:41 mtj New BSD License, ashimema?
17:42 mtj[…]atables-editable/
17:45 tcohen mtj: I triggered the build
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17:50 mtj awesome thanks
17:51 mtj tcohen:  is there an option in jenkins, to trigger a build?
17:52 mtj i've never spotted it, myself
17:52 tcohen you need a login
17:57 mtj ok, i have a login, http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]
18:02 mtj tcohen: the 3.16-deb6 box seems to be missing a dep (also failling)
18:02 mtj http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.18.x_D6/
18:03 tcohen mtj: that's because that dep was removed, and it uses koha-perldeps to pull them
18:03 tcohen can u drop me an email about it?
18:04 tcohen i need to be AFK for some time now
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18:04 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add cross link to opacprivacy
18:04 mtj no probs, tcohen
18:04 mtj thanks for your help
18:06 mtj the solr tests are failling without - i could always just remove the tests :)
18:07 tcohen i guess so
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18:09 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add cross link to opacprivacy
18:25 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
18:25 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
18:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U12 build #38: FIXED in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U12/38/
18:26 ashimema I was looking at mtj..
18:26 ashimema hadn't seen the New BSD licensed one you've found..
18:26 ashimema that's more promising.
18:28 mtj
18:28 mtj yeah, pass on that ^
18:28 ashimema yeah.. exactly..
18:28 ashimema I didn't spot the purchase before I started working with the code..
18:28 ashimema as the rest of MIT I also thought it was MIT
18:29 ashimema .. then when i went to check a piece of the docs I saw the purchase link :(
18:29 ashimema sad
18:29 ashimema oh well.. the one you've spotted looks pretty reasonable ;)
18:29 ashimema and a bit easier than using jeditable
18:29 ashimema anywho.. one for tomorrow now me thinks
18:29 ashimema hope you guys got jenkins fixed ;)
18:35 mtj ta, the ubuntu12 is now sorted... just the deb6 to go
18:42 tcohen mtj: smae problem?
18:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #39 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
18:50 tcohen mtj: i fixed u14 too
18:50 tcohen I know it doesn't look like that :-P
18:57 tcohen bye everyone
19:11 rangi morning
19:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #39: NOW UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U14/39/
19:33 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
19:33 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
19:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #290: FIXED in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/290/
19:43 rangi anyone around to do a quick test of bug 7996 ?
19:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7996 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Patron Modification Log Requires Parameters Permission
19:43 rangi last day of the academy today :)
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19:48 nengard I don't see a test plan on this :[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8337
19:49 nengard can somoene tell me what the DefaultLongOverdueChargeValue preference is looking for?
19:49 nengard what value am I putting in there? the lost authoritze value?
19:49 nengard that's my guess
19:50 nengard khall do you know ^^
19:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
19:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
19:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #294: FIXED in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U12/294/
19:51 rangi <br>Example: [1] [30] Sets an item to the LOST value 1 when it has been overdue for more than 30 days
19:51 rangi that help nengard ?
19:51 nengard rangi that's for the other preference
19:51 nengard that's for DefaultLongOverdueLostValue
19:52 nengard I'm looking at DefaultLongOverdueChargeValue
19:52 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
19:52 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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20:02 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
20:02 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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20:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add DefaultLongOverdue preferences
20:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update longoverdue cron
20:07 rangi ahh hmm
20:07 rangi no idea then
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20:14 wizzyrea nengard: probably 1 or 0
20:14 wizzyrea 1 fo charge, 0 for don't charge.
20:15 wizzyrea that's what the cronjob used to ask for
20:15 nengard yeah that's what i thought
20:15 wizzyrea I think.
20:15 nengard but then the way it was worded made it sound like it wanted the authorized value
20:15 nengard and if it's just 1 or 0 then it should be a Yes/No pull down ...
20:15 nengard or maybe i'm overthinking it
20:16 wizzyrea sounds like a qa thing to me
20:16 nengard yup
20:16 wizzyrea naw, you're probably right there, if it's 1/0 it should be labeled yes/no
20:16 wizzyrea users don't understand 1/0
20:16 nengard for now it's in the manual - or will be tomorrow - and then i'll update the bug report with a link
20:16 wizzyrea i'll have a quick look
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20:17 wizzyrea - <br>Leave this field empty if you don't want to charge the user for lost items.
20:17 wizzyrea so empty for no charge, and yeah I see what they've done here
20:18 wizzyrea it's different from the cron (sorry...)
20:18 wizzyrea they want the numeric value of the authorised value
20:18 wizzyrea so when an item changes to that value, it gets charged.
20:18 nengard okay - that's how i worded it in the manual
20:18 nengard but i have another question
20:18 nengard is it just if the item changes to that value via the longoverdue?
20:19 nengard cause if so it seems silly to have that preference the way it is
20:19 nengard it should be just charge or don't
20:19 nengard cause the following pref asks for the authorized value
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20:19 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add norwegian card preferences
20:19 nengard ... and i'm way way way behind on the manual and that's why i'm briniging it all up now
20:19 wizzyrea ah that's alright
20:20 wizzyrea I think this particular patch deals only with items marked with longoverdue
20:20 wizzyrea the cron.
20:20 wahanui the cron is sending it to that? Sounds like a system problem, not koha.
20:20 wizzyrea forget the cron
20:20 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot cron
20:21 wizzyrea the "I marked this lost in the interface" charging is dealt with somewhere else
20:21 wizzyrea which seems dumb but whatever.
20:23 nengard hehe
20:23 nengard got it
20:23 nengard then i think what i wrote is okay
20:27 wizzyrea in defense of the patch, it is nice to be able to specify longoverdue values from the interface.
20:30 nengard oh i agree 100%
20:30 nengard i wish it had all the values
20:30 nengard like the --return (or whatever the value is)
20:30 wizzyrea yeah, should file a bug about that one
20:30 nengard i can do that
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20:30 wizzyrea not sure why it wasn't included, tbh
20:31 wizzyrea oversight, prolly
20:31 nengard what other values are there?
20:31 nengard are there any others missing?
20:31 wizzyrea emmm
20:31 nengard the perldoc is empty on this puppy
20:33 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "nengard - what longoverdue *can* take" (20 lines) at
20:33 nengard thanks
20:33 wizzyrea don't think we need to set verbose from the interface
20:33 nengard updating the manual
20:33 wizzyrea or quiet
20:33 wizzyrea that was just looking at the script - it's in misc/cronjobs
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20:34 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add AllowRenewalIfOtherItemsAvailable
20:35 wizzyrea hrm, what is the best way to restore a deleted biblio?
20:36 wizzyrea can't say I've ever done this before.
20:36 nengard it's not easy
20:36 wizzyrea that part seems clear to me lol.
20:36 nengard hehe
20:37 nengard okay - writing steps
20:37 nengard insert into biblio where (select * from deletedbiblio where biblionumber=xxx)
20:37 nengard delete frmo deletedbiblio where biblionumber=xxx
20:37 carmenh hiya rangi :D
20:38 nengard insert into biblioitems where (select * from deletedbiblioitems wher ebiblionumber=xxx)
20:38 nengard delete from deletedbiblioitems where biblionumber=xxx
20:38 nengard i think that's all ... anyone disagree?
20:39 wizzyrea yeah that seems sensible to me
20:39 nengard of course i'd leave out my typos
20:39 nengard :)
20:42 nengard wizzyrea[…]_bug.cgi?id=13589
20:45 wizzyrea nengard++ for like, 10 things this morning
20:45 wizzyrea afternoon, whatever.
20:47 nengard hehe
20:48 nengard somewhere i screwed up .... git isn't matching up
20:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #600 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #600: FAILURE in 1 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/600/
20:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update longoverdue cron doc
20:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update longoverdue cron
20:52 wizzyrea ftr, it's just:  insert into biblio (select * from deletedbiblio where biblionumber=1)
20:52 wizzyrea no where :)
20:53 rangi hey carmenh
20:53 wahanui I LOVE DISNEY
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20:54 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update longoverdue cron doc
20:54 carmenh I love Disney too wahanui
20:54 carmenh :D
20:55 carmenh I had an internship there years ago :)
20:55 carmenh how are things in NZ rangi :)
20:57 rangi warm
20:57 rangi @wunder nzwn
20:57 rangi hmm no huginn
20:57 wizzyrea partly cloudy, no chance of meatballs.
20:59 nengard hehe
21:00 nengard carmenh you're talking to a bot :)
21:00 nengard someone programmed wahanui to say that about you
21:00 nengard hehe
21:00 nengard nengard?
21:00 wahanui you are fast
21:00 carmenh lol ahhh
21:00 nengard see
21:00 nengard rangi?
21:00 wizzyrea wizzyrea?
21:00 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is silly
21:00 carmenh oops
21:00 carmenh lol
21:00 nengard I bet rangi is the one who made the bot say that
21:00 wizzyrea could have been anybody really :)
21:00 * carmenh feels silly but she still loves Disney :D
21:01 wizzyrea eythian?
21:01 wahanui eythian is an expert bot trainer
21:01 nengard which i think only rangi knows around here
21:01 nengard the disney thing
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21:02 nengard okay i think the manual is fixed
21:02 nengard still got about 20 more patches to review
21:02 nengard and document
21:02 wahanui i heard document was not a stylesheet
21:02 nengard but i'm getting there
21:03 nengard wahanui that is silly
21:03 wahanui ...but that is the intended behavior?...
21:03 nengard it might be
21:03 nengard :)
21:04 wizzyrea wahanui is a learning bot.
21:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #601 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #599 31 min ago)
21:04 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
21:04 wizzyrea he's full of nonsequiturs
21:04 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #601: FIXED in 1 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/601/
21:04 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add DefaultLongOverdue preferences
21:04 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Revert "add norwegian card preferences"
21:04 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add norwegian prefs
21:04 nengard WOO HOO
21:04 wizzyrea and a confetti throwing bot
21:04 rangi lets add more marc?
21:04 rangi we should use more marc
21:04 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:04 nengard more marc????
21:04 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:04 nengard LOL
21:04 nengard love it
21:05 wizzyrea nopetopus would also be appropriate there
21:05 wizzyrea nopetopus?
21:05 wizzyrea oh that should be a thing.
21:05 * nengard is confused
21:05 wizzyrea nopetopus is <reply>[…]/large_upload.jpg
21:05 wizzyrea nopetopus?
21:05 nengard and dizzy from the tail end of a migraine
21:05 wahanui[…]/large_upload.jpg
21:06 nengard well okay then
21:06 wizzyrea aw forget nopetopus
21:06 wizzyrea forget nopetopus
21:06 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot nopetopus
21:06 nengard why?
21:06 nengard no forgetting
21:06 wizzyrea nopetopus is <reply>[…]-run-away-GIF.gif
21:06 wizzyrea that's better :D
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21:08 rangi yeah buddy
21:08 wahanui
21:08 wizzyrea[…]1f82b&oe=55264E21 nengard
21:08 wizzyrea sorry I couldn't find a rainbow butterfly unicorn sheltie.
21:09 ibeardslee keep searching
21:09 rangi wow rfid thread brings out the consultants
21:09 wizzyrea chide chide chide
21:09 wizzyrea much finger waggling.
21:10 rangi consultants?
21:10 wahanui[…]ngdemotivator.jpg
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21:12 wizzyrea LOL!
21:12 wizzyrea rangi++ that was a good laugh.
21:14 nengard wnickc !!
21:14 nengard you're famous now :)
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21:19 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update notices templates
21:19 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update Add and delete budgets permission
21:20 wnickc huh?  I am?
21:20 wizzyrea I want to do something like this for Koha
21:20 wizzyrea[…]518/?format=1000w
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21:20 wizzyrea with applicable stats, of course.
21:20 wizzyrea specifically of interest
21:20 wizzyrea is the "development costs" section.
21:21 wnickc nengard:  I've always been fabulous, the fame was inevitable
21:21 nengard LOL
21:22 nengard YIKES who let LordVoldemort in???
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21:23 LordVoldemort I let myself in thanks
21:23 DarthVader :)
21:23 nengard HA
21:23 stormageddondarklordofall :)
21:24 HarryDresden :)
21:24 stormageddondarklordofall *snicker*
21:24 LordVoldemort I don't even know who Harry Dresden is
21:24 LordVoldemort are you a villain too?
21:24 HarryDresden OH NO!!!
21:24 HarryDresden Hell no - I'm a wizard who can woop you a**
21:24 HarryDresden :)
21:24 HarryDresden I'm a good guy
21:24 dumbledore keke
21:24 HarryDresden there is a meme asking harry dresden v. lord voldemort
21:25 HarryDresden[…]-vs-voldemort.png
21:25 DarthVader haha
21:25 * Dyrcona doesn't need to change his name. He is legendary.
21:25 HarryDresden LordVoldemort you might like the series
21:25 HarryDresden it's pretty awesome
21:26 * wizzyrea too, really
21:31 eythian hi
21:31 wahanui salut, eythian
21:32 nengard hola
21:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #603 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #603: SUCCESS in 1 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/603/
21:34 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add NotHighlightedWords
21:54 JesseM ok heading out for a bit
21:55 LordVoldemort wizzyrea is there anything more i can do for the website?
21:55 nengard anyone know what the point of  OPACFallback  is ?
21:56 wizzyrea LordVoldemort: let me look...
21:58 wizzyrea LordVoldemort: the release team link goes to the wrong place on this page:[…]ect-organization/ it would be cool if you could make it point to the wiki, the link should be on the page you worked on yesterday
22:00 eythian nengard: it lets you fall back to another theme
22:00 eythian I'm not sure when that'd be useful
22:01 LordVoldemort okay
22:01 wizzyrea It would be neat if you could add a link to the kohadevbox ( from the "for developers" page ([…]/for-developers/)
22:01 pastebot "eythian" at pasted "nengard: this might explain it, from the function that uses it." (3 lines) at
22:02 nengard eythian i'm still not sure i get it - is it there cause we didn't make sure that every page works in bootstrap?
22:02 nengard is it just a safety net
22:02 LordVoldemort internet is down :(
22:02 nengard and if so why is bootstrap an option along with prog?
22:02 wizzyrea aw sad.
22:02 eythian It's probably in case you make a custom theme for some purpose
22:03 wizzyrea so you can fall back on the default theme if *you* mess up your custom theme.
22:03 eythian so, you only need to put the changed files into your new theme, and anything missing will fall back to the existing bootstrap|prog
22:03 eythian wizzyrea: no, so you don't have to supply all files
22:03 wizzyrea eythian is much more diplomatic.
22:03 wizzyrea :)
22:03 eythian like some of our stuff does with lang
22:03 eythian if you mess up the custom theme, it'll still display messed up :)
22:04 wizzyrea I might consider it messing up to not include all files >.> but that's not being very diplomatic and maybe a bit rude.
22:05 eythian what happens if you only change one file?
22:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #604 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
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22:05 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add ExpireReservesOnHolidays
22:05 eythian you don't want to maintain copies of everything
22:05 wizzyrea (I'm not really arguing with you, you're right. )
22:05 eythian it'd mean we could use custom themes instead of custom translations.
22:06 eythian I don't know if that'd be better or worse, tbh.
22:06 wizzyrea we all know how much I love custom translations
22:06 wizzyrea seems better, as it doesn't do all files.
22:07 wizzyrea though now that I've learned how to only translate certain files, I feel happier.
22:07 wizzyrea less annoyed, anyway.
22:07 wizzyrea I really want some frogurt.
22:08 eythian that's an idea I approve of.
22:08 wizzyrea \o/
22:08 eythian Bring me back some would you? ;)
22:09 wizzyrea I sense an afternoon foray in my future.
22:11 eythian[…]linux/issues/3671 <-- beware, this is horribad
22:12 dcook Too much scrollback, not enough sleep...
22:12 wizzyrea oh. my.
22:14 dcook Oh wow...
22:14 dcook horribad indeed
22:15 dcook I thought about trying to automate the path for a variable once...
22:15 dcook (Oh, there are so many jokes that could be made... especially inr eference to Skyrim...)
22:16 pianohacker bethesda's high quality pathfinding?
22:17 wizzyrea something about "I symlinked my steam library and I took an arrow to the knee?"
22:17 dcook ^
22:17 dcook Wish that I had longer to play that game
22:17 dcook Bought an xbox a week before I moved to 'straya, played it for a week, and never saw it again
22:18 wizzyrea the xbox? or skyrim?
22:18 wizzyrea or both
22:18 eythian I rediscovered OpenTTD the other day, there went my evening.
22:18 wizzyrea oh dear.
22:18 dcook wizzyrea: both
22:19 dcook Oh my...
22:19 * dcook pretends that he didn't see OpenTTD
22:19 pianohacker oh, heh. spent a lot of time in fallout new vegas picking off angry irradiated animals that really wanted to get to me. So badly, in fact, that they were going to run straight into a cliff for as long as it took
22:20 pianohacker so I thought you had a problem with their ${PATH}finding :)
22:20 wizzyrea ^ this is a really excellent nerdy joke
22:20 wizzyrea pianohacker++
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22:28 LordVoldemort hi francesca
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22:33 rangi eythian++ #good reply
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22:38 dcook I think I have every nick possible out at this point :p
22:39 wizzyrea yeah totes.
22:39 wizzyrea eythian++
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23:02 pianohacker what IE versions do we support?
23:02 * dcook thinks this is the moment where someone points to dcook and says whatever he patches :p
23:02 pianohacker curious if we might be able to drop[…]_a_reference_list soonish
23:03 pianohacker ha! probably :)
23:03 pianohacker see[…]ray-and-object-li
23:03 dcook Yeah, I'm familiar with that one :/
23:04 dcook Of course when I'm creating hashes in Perl, I love leaving trailing commas
23:04 dcook Actually, I think pretty much everything ever lets you use trailing commas with exploding
23:04 pianohacker except haskell and something else (Go or Java?)
23:04 dcook Well, Java hates everything :p
23:05 pianohacker true fact
23:05 dcook Although I think I'm mostly just bitter after debugging Java the other day. Oh the pain...
23:05 dcook But yeah. Mmm, I imagine we support... I don't even know
23:05 dcook I guess we don't officially?
23:05 dcook I think Bootstrap 3 has support for IE8 at the lowest
23:06 dcook Although we're still on Bootstrap 2 which supports IE7 at the least
23:06 dcook Even Bootstrap 3 has some extra goodies you can use to support IE 7
23:06 pianohacker dcook: last I heard, official policy was "Firefox always, chrome hopefully, IE no" for the staff side and "everything possible" for the OPAC
23:06 dcook Which is what we do for DSpace 4.x
23:06 dcook Interesting!
23:06 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
23:06 dcook I can't say I've ever heard that, but I could see that certainly being the standard
23:07 pianohacker those who have been more actively involved in recent times are free to contradict me on that one :)
23:07 dcook We have a fair number of people using IE for the staff client, so that's where I spend a reasonable amount of time when upgrading versions
23:07 dcook I suppose the thing will be... even if the community doesn't support IE, I'll certainly be writing fixes forever :p
23:08 dcook Although I don't look forward to the day where we start using libraries that I can't hack minorly...
23:08 dcook Well, maybe I do look forward to that day... so that people finally upgrade their IE
23:09 dcook I need to take a note out of the pages of other technical support lines
23:09 dcook I've been on hold for over 20 minutes, and I can't imagine I'm going to be talking to a human any time soon
23:10 pianohacker dcook: what IE versions?
23:10 dcook IE7 :(
23:10 * dcook points to the PM ;)
23:10 pianohacker heh, yes ;)
23:10 dcook It's sad making
23:10 dcook "Your call is progressing"
23:10 dcook Are you sure? Because the exact same music and friendly advice is starting to get to me.
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23:11 cait hi #koha
23:11 dcook hey cait :)
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23:17 pianohacker I may be the slowest person on the internet but I'm laughing really hard at this video:
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23:22 * Francesca waves
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23:24 wizzyrea using a version of IE less than 9 is a menace to society, and those computers running it should be forcibly upgraded to firefox.
23:24 dac ^
23:24 Francesca hi everyone!
23:24 dac yo Francesca
23:24 wizzyrea hi Francesca :)
23:24 dac wizzyrea: unfortunately, the authorities are the ones often running IE less than 9 :p
23:24 wizzyrea time for civil disobedience?
23:24 dac hehe
23:24 wizzyrea :)
23:25 dac Right now I would settle for reliable internet...
23:25 wizzyrea yeah truf.
23:25 * cait waves
23:25 pianohacker hi cait
23:25 dac hey cait
23:26 cait wizzyrea: those cupcakes look great
23:26 dcook Did someone say cupcakes?
23:26 wizzyrea wat there are cupcakes?
23:26 wizzyrea I'm in.
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23:27 wizzyrea where are you seeing the cupcakes?
23:27 * dcook wonders if this tech support line will ever actually pick up
23:27 dcook I think that's the key to 24/7 support services
23:27 dcook Just never answer your phone
23:27 dcook Have it available and never answer it
23:27 dcook Bam. 24/7 support.
23:27 * dcook grumbles
23:28 wizzyrea oh THOSE cupcakes!
23:28 wizzyrea yes, they do look delish.
23:29 cait heh
23:32 cait :)
23:32 cait late answer: twitter :)
23:33 dcook huzzah! finally a pickup
23:34 pianohacker bye all :)
23:34 dcook ta pianohacker
23:35 dcook Of course I'm on hold again, but now the music is way better
23:36 wizzyrea cait - have you seen a behaviour, ever, where receiving a serial creates multiple entries in acquisitions?
23:37 cait ugh?
23:37 cait can you give information to what kind of thing it did?
23:38 cait there used to be a link between acq andserial when you rnewed it
23:38 cait but i think we have broken that a longer time ago
23:38 cait i don't see how it would be possible, unless some old cold about hte renewal got ...
23:38 cait cold=code
23:39 wizzyrea this is an old, old koha
23:39 wizzyrea I think it has something to do with legacy data but I'm not sure what
23:39 wizzyrea it's so annoying.
23:40 cait not sure
23:40 cait nd the rnewal went only into suggestions...
23:40 cait back then
23:40 cait well i have never seen it :(
23:40 wizzyrea that's ok
23:41 wizzyrea just thought I'd ask.
23:46 cait big thank you to the academy students, awesome job this week!
23:46 cait good night all
23:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #34 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #32 1 day 0 hr ago)
23:48 eythian
23:50 wizzyrea that is terrifying and adorable all at once.
23:50 dcook hehe
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