IRC log for #koha, 2014-11-17

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00:00 dcook I think another thing to keep in mind with that one is the manual and training I suppose.
00:00 * dcook goes back to his XSLTs
00:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13122 - Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit <[…]5c8de678d8f8a9d92> / Bug 13256 - Typographical error on item search template <[…]be5811a04fa441f82> / Bug 13233 - Patron search by birth date tooltip broken <http://git.koha-commun
00:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13254 - Delete record don't wait for confirmation <[…]c92a02edb86c106e5> / Bug 10878: Correct Display856uAsImage pref description <[…]3686049ff955e152f> / Bug 13258 - Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode... <http://git.k
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00:31 BobB hi
00:31 wahanui what's up, BobB
00:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13236 - Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for... <[…]9621a144ca3be8d3a> / Bug 13196 - "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions <[…]3c69c5cadb6b07266> / Bug 13168 - "Today's checkouts" sort i
00:33 tcohen wizzyrea: core functionalities might better belong to ADmin, right?
00:33 wizzyrea yep
00:33 wizzyrea imo
00:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12992: Fund planning should display actual values <[…]bf42d2972f78fcc4a> / Bug 13195 - Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description <[…]acfb26ac3d3511dc8>
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00:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #233: UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/233/
00:57 jenkins_koha * Bug 13227: Display856uAsImage displays images in OPAC in original size
00:57 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13233 - Patron search by birth date tooltip broken
00:57 jenkins_koha * Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos: Bug 13256 - Typographical error on item search template
00:57 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13122 - Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit
00:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13227 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Display856uAsImage displays images in OPAC in original size
00:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13233 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Patron search by birth date tooltip broken
00:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13256 trivial, P5 - low, ---, hector.hecaxmmx, Pushed to Master , Typographical error on item search template
00:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13122 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit
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01:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #234: NOW UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/234/
01:40 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12778 - Regression: Item lost status doesn't show in list of checkouts
01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13258 - Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode field
01:40 jenkins_koha * Bug 10878: Correct Display856uAsImage pref description
01:40 jenkins_koha * Rafal Kopaczka: Bug 13254 - Delete record don't wait for confirmation
01:40 jenkins_koha * Olli-Antti Kivilahti: Bug 13168 - "Today's checkouts" sort improperly because issuedate lacks seconds.
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12778 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Regression: Item lost status doesn't show in list of checkouts
01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13196 - "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions
01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13236 - Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for rewewal
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13258 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode field
01:40 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13195 - Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description
01:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12992: Fund planning should display actual values
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10878 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Display856uAsImage works in Results pages, can remove caveat text from system preference.
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13254 major, P3, ---, rkopaczka, Pushed to Master , Delete record don't wait for confirmation
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13168 normal, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Master , "Today's checkouts" sort improperly because issuedate lacks seconds.
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13196 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13236 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for rewewal
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13195 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description
01:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12992 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Fund planning does not display actual values
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02:00 larryb hello #koha
02:03 dcook hey larry
02:03 larryb anyone want to help me with an ubunutu problem?
02:05 larryb I'm testing out koha package install on 14.04, and it won't install. It basically boils down this dependency issue:
02:05 larryb libnet-z3950-zoom-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 but it is not installable
02:05 larryb anyone found a good way around that?
02:05 eythian that shouldn't happen
02:05 larryb it does. it did
02:06 eythian is this a fresh install?
02:06 eythian what repo?
02:06 wahanui somebody said repo was sitting waiting :)
02:06 larryb yep
02:06 rangi do you have the indexdata repos or something
02:06 larryb I added the repos for indexdata and k-c
02:06 eythian yeah
02:06 eythian don't do that
02:06 rangi yeah
02:06 eythian that's not in the instructions :)
02:06 larryb leave out indexdata?
02:06 eythian (because it's not necessary)
02:06 rangi yes
02:06 eythian libnet-z3950-zoom-perl is in Ubuntu's repo
02:07 larryb but I'm guessing here it's trying to pull from the indexdata one?
02:07 eythian probably a newer version
02:07 eythian however, Ubuntu doesn't do the whole perlapi stuff
02:08 eythian (I think)
02:08 larryb guess I'm still operating on three-year old instructions. I thought we still needed the indexdata repos.
02:08 eythian at the least, it doesn't have 5.10
02:08 eythian nope
02:08 eythian you should use the current instructions, they worked for me a couple of days ago
02:08 larryb what about on debian wheezy? same thing?
02:08 eythian I think you needed them in whatever came before squeeze, but that was a while ago now
02:09 eythian same thing, the current instructions work
02:09 larryb well, when I started with Koha, we were on Lenny. Guess old habits die hard.
02:09 eythian lenny, that was it
02:09 eythian that's when you last needed them :)
02:10 larryb HA!
02:11 larryb bingo!
02:11 larryb thank you gents
02:14 larryb Anybody running koha on wheezy yet?
02:15 eythian we have a site on it
02:15 eythian I think it's just our demo stuff
02:15 eythian our newer stuff is tending to be 14.04
02:15 larryb how's that doing for you? any issues?
02:15 eythian however I am forming a plan to upgrade some of our stuff over xmas/ny
02:16 eythian no issues
02:17 larryb I haven't seen a date yet, but I'm expecting squeeze repos to go away in 2015
02:17 tcohen larryb: we've been using Ubuntu 12.04 for a while and are now moving to 14.04
02:18 tcohen they seem to share lots of libs
02:18 eythian larryb: I'd like to get builds for squeeze removed some time soonish (not immediately though.) I know that the ES stuff won't work on it.
02:19 larryb so that is that the way we're going, from debian to ubuntu?
02:20 tcohen nah
02:20 tcohen just our institution
02:20 eythian oh, no.
02:20 larryb cool. I like debian
02:20 eythian it's just squeeze is going EOL, jessie is nearly out, I don't want to maintain across three debian releases.
02:21 larryb yeah, that's kind what I'm thinking about, when to start moving to wheezy.
02:22 eythian Probably now if you're not doing anything else
02:22 larryb well, I just finished upgrading all our sites to 3.16 . . . sure, why not
02:23 eythian I haven't done it on real production, but the systems I have done it on haven't had any issues
02:25 larryb well, as you say, squeeze is going to be EOL soon, so it's probably time we found out if there are issues with wheezy in production
02:28 larryb well, it's almost dinner time here, and my ubuntu install finished, so thanks again.
02:28 larryb 'night all
02:28 tcohen night!
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02:33 eythian rangi: can be set to nomail? I get a bounce from 2003 to every message I send to the koha list.
02:34 rangi interesting i dont get that, but ill nomail it
02:34 rangi and that georgew
02:34 rangi who consistently sends away from my desk mails
02:34 eythian ah yeah
02:34 eythian well, I've just had two bounces so far, so maybe it just started
02:34 rangi hmm nope
02:35 rangi they arent even on the list
02:35 eythian odd
02:35 rangi probably via gmane or something
02:35 eythian
02:35 eythian that's the X-Original-To
02:35 rangi they are
02:35 rangi no mailed now
02:35 eythian oh, it's a bounce from something I sent on the 13th
02:36 eythian their system is screwed in multiple ways I think
02:36 eythian ah, gmail was retrying
02:36 eythian and gave up
02:41 tcohen eythian: you don't run t/Circulation on building, right?
02:41 rangi everything in t/ is run
02:41 eythian I think everything in t/ runs
02:41 rangi just not in directories under that
02:42 rangi its what is run when you do make test
02:42 rangi or prove  without -r
02:43 tcohen t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t seems to depend on the db
02:43 rangi that wont
02:43 rangi cos its a directory
02:43 * tcohen nods
02:43 rangi should still be in the db_dependent tho, just to make it clear it depends on a db
02:44 tcohen I think they pretended to make it a mocked one
02:45 jcamins rangi: do you know of anyone who is using RDA with Koha in a way that makes it seem like something different from using AACR2 with Koha?
02:46 rangi nope
02:46 rangi i dont know anyone who is using RDA in that way at all tbh
02:46 rangi ie not in any way that the users would notice
02:46 jcamins rangi: neither do I, but a friend thought that if anyone was doing something worthwhile with RDA, they'd probably be using Koha.
02:47 rangi its a reasonable theory
02:47 rangi but so far i think RDA is by the cataloguers and for the cataloguers
02:47 rangi and no one else cares
02:47 rangi if i could think of something to do with it, id probably have a crack :)
02:48 rangi but the stumbling block is most people are going to have a mixed catalogue .. for the foreseeable future
02:48 jcamins I think there can be no question about RDA being by the cataloguers for the cataloguers... except with less actual cataloguer involvement.
02:48 rangi which is going to make doing anything RDA specific kinda hard
02:50 rangi we need cascading catalogue rules
02:51 dcook cascading catalogue rules?
02:51 rangi to cope with the fact that you have mixed AARC2 and RDA records
02:52 rangi at which point i file it in the "this is a really bad idea" basket
02:52 rangi and move on
02:56 tcohen damn
02:57 tcohen t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t fails "yesterday" =D
02:57 jcamins tcohen: oh, that pitcher!
02:58 jcamins ... this is one of those jokes that isn't funny to anyone but me, isn't it?
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02:58 dcook I think I recall that joke now that I think about it
02:58 tcohen damn
02:58 tcohen t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t fails "yesterday" =D
03:00 jcamins dcook: if you had to think about it, the answer to my question is "yes, you're the only one who hears the word 'yesterday' and thinks of Abbot and Costello."
03:00 dcook Yes, that.
03:01 dcook :)
03:03 dcook Also wondering why XSLT_Handler.t is in t/db_dependent...
03:03 dcook When it doesn't look like it touches the DB at all
03:03 tcohen because it needs context
03:03 tcohen *probably
03:04 dcook If it does, it must be buried deep in its dependencies..
03:04 dcook Nope, I don't see it needing context
03:04 tcohen it doesn't
03:05 tcohen turn your mysql off
03:05 dcook O_o
03:11 tcohen to test if it depends on the db, of course
03:12 dcook I suppose that's one option. Not an option on this server, but oh well. Doesn't really matter where it is. I shall add a new test to it anyway.
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05:02 dcook eythian: still around?
05:02 eythian yarp
05:03 dcook Question for you regarding verbosity, cronjobs, and modules
05:03 eythian was supposed to be at training, but the rain got worse and I didn't feel up to biking
05:03 dcook Boo rain
05:03 dcook You suggested using a verbose flag to turn on output for the cronjob
05:03 dcook I added that as it seemed like a good idea, but to get it to do anything I have to pass it to my module
05:03 dcook Which seems sub-optimal :/
05:04 eythian hmm
05:04 eythian maybe look into something that lets you see loglevels
05:04 eythian *set
05:04 eythian papa: you have dealt with this recently, you may have more ideas
05:04 dcook Well, I was thinking more along the lines of what gets printed where
05:04 dcook and by what
05:05 eythian these are very vague questions, you know.
05:05 dcook I'm happy to be more specific :)
05:05 dcook You suggested moving the DBIC stuff into the module, so I did that
05:06 dcook So I select X number of records
05:06 dcook If I want to print that out (when my verbose flag is on), I'm currently printing that in the module
05:06 dcook But I'm thinking it might make more sense to make a sub like "gather_records", use that in the cronjob, print the number if the verbose flag is active, and then act on the data returned by "gather_records" using another object method
05:07 eythian yeah, so two ways of doing that. Passing "hey, print stuff" into the module (which I think is what I suggested) and the normal way, which I apparently forgot. Which is to use a logging system.
05:07 dcook The downside of that is that I have about 5 different subs in my cronjob when I'm only doing 1 thing
05:07 dcook I'm not sure I follow
05:07 dcook Well, maybe..
05:08 dcook In this case, logging it would be most useful
05:08 eythian many small subs isn't the end of the world
05:08 eythian if you have a logging framework thing, then you can say "Loglevel(DEBUG)" and everything will get logged, etc.
05:08 dcook Well, there are going to be many small subs. It's just whether they're called by a master sub in the module or individually in the cronjob
05:08 eythian oh. Up to you.
05:10 dcook Hmm, I suppose neither way seems particularly perfect
05:11 eythian on the surface, either seems fine
05:11 dcook I would think that you'd want to avoid printing stuff in the module as it should just be behind the scenes logic, yeah?
05:11 eythian mostly, yeah
05:11 eythian it depends
05:12 eythian if you're outputting debug stuff, then anywhere is fine
05:12 eythian if this is output to be informative about someting happening for a regular human, then probably at a higher level
05:12 dcook Hmm, that's what I was starting to think as well
05:12 dcook I figure using warnings in the sub is useful for debugging
05:12 eythian so it has appropriate semantic info, or can make summaries, or whatever
05:12 dcook And then informative info should be done in the cronjob
05:13 dcook Or logged from the cronjob
05:14 eythian yeah, that sounds sensible
05:14 dcook Cool :)
05:23 dcook Yeah, I think this makes more sense
05:26 dcook Actually, one more question, eythian :)
05:26 dcook Which is more preferable? Using a hash or a hashref for method parameters?
05:26 dcook It seems like many methods in the wild accept hashes
05:26 eythian personally, I like hash, but Class::Accessor likes hashref, so I tend to go with that for consistency.
05:27 dcook Hmm, I thought I'd noticed a fair number of hashrefs in Koha
05:27 dcook Coolbeans
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06:49 Oak kia ora #koha
06:49 Oak magnuse
06:50 Oak hello cait !
07:03 cait hi Oak - sorry, not really here :)
07:03 Oak okay. won't tell anyone. i did not see you.
07:03 Oak cait? cait who?
07:04 cait heh
07:04 Oak no worries.
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07:17 Oak Bonjour monsieur paul_p
07:36 * magnuse waves
07:38 magnuse dcook:[…]used_as_arguments
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07:42 cait thx magnuse :)
07:42 cait i was thinking about that one earlier
07:42 reiveune hello
07:43 magnuse eythian too:[…]used_as_arguments :-)
07:44 cait bbiab
07:44 magnuse @wunder boo
07:44 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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07:54 alex_a Bonjour
07:54 wahanui privet, alex_a
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07:56 marcelr hi #koha
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08:12 Oak Bonjour monsieur alex_a
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08:20 gaetan_B hello
08:20 wahanui hey, gaetan_B
08:20 cait hi Oak, gaetan_B and wahanui :)
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08:23 cait morning akafred
08:24 akafred good morning, cait :-)
08:24 marcelr hi cait Oak gaetan_B and akafred
08:26 cait morning mar
08:26 cait morning marcelr
08:26 cait :)
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08:57 simabelew I have come seeking assistance on running koha
08:58 simabelew any one for help?
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08:59 ashimema morning #koha
09:00 cait moring ashimema
09:01 cait simabelew: just ask your question - people will answer if they can haelp
09:01 cait help...
09:02 magnuse hiya ashimema
09:14 simabelew I was running koha on debian linux but When I upgrade debian 6 squeeze to debian 7 wheezy, it has also upgraded mysql 5.1 to mysql 5.5. After that I was not able to access my database. The configuration has been changed I think but I dodnot where the change has taken place. I cannot my library system now. any help please?
09:14 nlegrand hiya #koha
09:33 cait simabelew: we'd need an error message or something to help you
09:33 cait i haven't heard of probles after updating so far
09:34 cait hi nlegrand :)
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09:36 nlegrand hey cait o/ :)
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09:44 lawalebalty Please, I need help on koha ....I have installed it but the web installation is not coming up
09:44 lawalebalty when I did localhost:80 it was apache2 index page that was coimng up
09:45 cait you need to access the staff interface to run the web installer - 80 would usually be the end user catalog (OPAC)
09:45 cait try 8080 for a start
09:51 lawalebalty okie
09:52 lawalebalty this is what came up when I tried localhost:8080  Index of / [ICO]NameLast modifiedSizeDescription [DIR]html/2014-11-17 10:42 -  Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 8080
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09:53 drojf hi #koha
09:53 cait hi drojf
09:53 drojf hi cait :)
09:57 lawalebalty hi cait
10:00 cait lawalebalty: i am not sure, it hink something is wrong with your apache configuration
10:02 lawalebalty Can you please help me out?.. we can do team viewer please
10:04 cait no sorry, i am at work
10:05 drojf lawalebalty: have you disabled the default apache website?
10:05 drojf (do you get a page that says "it works"?)
10:07 lawalebalty @drojf, yes i got a page that says it works
10:07 huginn lawalebalty: I suck
10:08 drojf lawalebalty: you have to disable this default website. you could try  "sudo a2dissite default"
10:08 lawalebalty @drojf, okay..I will run the command now...Thanks
10:08 huginn lawalebalty: downloading the Perl source
10:10 lawalebalty drojf: ERROR: Site default does not exist!
10:12 drojf lawalebalty: what instructions did you use to install koha?
10:12 magnuse it might be called something like 000-default
10:13 magnuse do "ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/" to check
10:13 lawalebalty someone sent document to me which I followed....I can forward it to you if you drop me ur email or you can just hi me:    
10:14 lawalebalty magnuse: I got this when I ran the command you sent ;  000-default.conf  library.conf
10:18 drojf lawalebalty: there are instructions in the official wiki. if you are using debian have a look here
10:20 lawalebalty drojf: I have installed ubuntu 14.04
10:20 drojf lawalebalty: it's for ubuntu too, there are some extra notes about 14.04 on the bottom of the page
10:26 lawalebalty drojf: Thanks
10:26 magnuse lawalebalty: you'll have to do "sudo a2dissite 000-default" then
10:28 drojf magnuse is right of course, sorry
10:47 simabelew Can't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/ line 102. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/ line 102. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/ line 31. BEGIN fai
10:47 simabelew That is the error message.
10:48 simabelew please help
10:48 nlegrand sudo apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl
10:55 nlegrand I think last time I wanted to install all perl deps with a dev install I did something silly like this : sudo apt-get install $(./  -a|perl -ne 'if (/(?:No|Yes)/) { s/(^.*?)\s.*/lib\L$1-perl/; s/::/-/g; print }' |tr '\n' ' ')
10:56 nlegrand :) well, some of them aren't in debian
11:07 simabelew The following packages have unmet dependencies: libnet-z3950-zoom-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 Unable to correct problems, you have held proken packages
11:08 simabelew that is the error when I try to install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl
11:13 nlegrand simabelew: so it's an APT problem :) you may have some hints on the web (eg[…]ackages-on-debian or[…]-broken-packages)
11:13 nlegrand simabelew: by the way, if it's a new install, I suggest you to run it on wheezy (current stable) instead of squeeze (old stable)
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11:19 simabelew nlegrand: it is not a new install. I have been it for some time. It was running on Debian 6 squeez. But when I run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it has upgraded it to Debian. But then my koha system which was running fine stopped working. what went wrong, i do not know.
11:21 nlegrand simabelew: you mean it's a Wheezy now ?
11:22 simabelew yes it is. but koha is not running.
11:25 nlegrand It looks like something went wrong with your Debian upgrade, you'll need to fix it first. libnet-z3950-zoom-perl depends on perlapi-5.14.2, which is a virtual package.
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11:38 * ashimema is back
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11:42 tcohen morning!
12:02 ashimema morning tcohen
12:03 * ashimema is just about getting his head around oauth and Bearer Tokens now.. and is tempted to add oauth to koha if and when a moment arrises..
12:05 cait ashimema: funny, my coworker asked me about oauth today
12:05 cait what are your plans for it?
12:05 ashimema at the minute.. to get it working in the app i'm developing here..
12:06 ashimema once i've got that fully working I 'might' think koha..
12:06 ashimema but it kinda depends on whether there much interest in it.. and whether I'll ever get funding to do it ;)
12:06 ashimema though I'd be happy to test somthing if your co-worker implements it ;)
12:07 ashimema What is he/she wanting to achieve?
12:08 ashimema allot of stuff can be acheived using a shibboleth gateway (simplesamlphp for instance can convert oauth claims into shibboleth sessions ;), so by proxy we already support oauth if your happy using such a mash up )
12:08 ashimema That would be what we did when we tested shib in fact... you logged in with google credentials.. they came into fiede via oauth
12:11 cait he was looking for a standard way to authenticate other library services
12:11 cait using Koha as the identity provider(?)
12:12 cait so the other side of what we have with shib now
12:15 ashimema interseting..
12:15 ashimema tell him to take a look at simplesamlphp..
12:16 ashimema it's a reasonably complete authentication (SSO) solution.. including the ability to be an 'authentication bridge' or 'Identity Provider'
12:17 ashimema I'm actually digging into the OAuth as provider for my application at the minute and it's not especially straight forward it seems..
12:17 ashimema it's much easir to consume the tokens than to provide them to the world..
12:18 * ashimema is working on the multiple issuer paradox at this precise moment ;)
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12:22 tcohen morning!
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12:24 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:24 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 26.6°C (9:20 AM ART on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
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12:51 marcelr hi tcohen
12:51 tcohen hi marcelr
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12:51 tcohen thought i was alone here :-P
12:52 marcelr yes it is quiet
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12:56 oleonard Hi #koha
13:02 tcohen hi oleonard
13:02 magnuse @wunder boo
13:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (1:50 PM CET on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:03 tcohen magnuse: can u take a look at bug 12750?
13:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create should be able to configure SRU server for the created instance
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13:05 cait hi paul_p
13:06 nlegrand hey paul_p :)
13:07 tcohen hi paul_p
13:08 paul_p (meeting in ebaf/jerusalem all the week, sorry, i'm not really here)
13:08 magnuse hei paul_p
13:08 magnuse and hi nlegrand
13:08 cait you sure get around this year :)
13:09 nlegrand hey magnuse !
13:09 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:09 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #235: FIXED in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/235/
13:12 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:12 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #224: FIXED in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U14/224/
13:13 cait paul_p: I wrote you an email about the hackfest earlier - would be gread if you could give a quick answer
13:14 paul_p can it wait for tomorrow morning ?
13:14 paul_p (seen it, I only don't have impossible dates in mind. there are some/few)
13:15 cait paul_p: tomorrow morning owuld be great
13:15 cait we are trying to find a date for our user meeting and the dates look like they might collide :(
13:25 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:25 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #242: FIXED in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U12/242/
13:27 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:27 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #168: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_U12_MariaDB/168/
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13:34 oleonard This morning I'm back to trying to figure out why some renewals are coming up with a different due date than others
13:34 oleonard anyone else seen anything like that?
13:37 cait oleonard: i have a library reporting something like that
13:37 cait they think it might be refreshing the page... but I doubt it
13:38 cait but they said all checkuts have one due date... and one has another
13:38 oleonard I've only heard reports of it in 3.16.x and I was able to reproduce in master
13:38 cait ths is a 3.12 one :(
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13:50 * oleonard would like to upload a .koc to test with but it isn't working
13:51 oleonard Use of uninitialized value $command in hash element at offline_circ/ line 176
13:51 oleonard Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at offline_circ/ line 147
13:53 Joubu Is there a financial expert arround?
13:53 Joubu The question is: how should be calculated the tax value?
13:54 Joubu round(quantity * ecost * tax rate) or quantity * round(ecost) * tax rate?
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13:54 Joubu Maybe it depends on the country...
13:57 marcelr could be
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13:59 Joubu marcelr: do you know how it is in Netherlands?
14:00 marcelr tax is applied at the end
14:00 oleonard Built-in offline circulation doesn't respect the date due selected in the "specify due date" field.
14:01 marcelr so say round(   round(units * amount) * tax  )
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14:05 cait Joubu: no idea :(
14:05 cait but if the code is all nicely centralized... :P
14:05 cait we canmake it a pref!
14:05 cait *hides*
14:05 cait only joking this time i would set on one for now
14:05 marcelr heh only one pref?
14:06 cait i am sure the list would grow :)
14:06 marcelr will there be a prize for the one adding syspref no. 1000 ?
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14:06 cait we could make people enter their equations themselves
14:07 Joubu cait: good idea! :p
14:08 Joubu marcelr: ok, it seems to be the same as in France
14:08 * Joubu is going to edit the wiki....
14:11 oleonard Okay so apparently the built-in offline circulation system NEVER respected the due date chosen at the time of checkout
14:14 nengard oleonard i had this css that was making matched records on the staged marc record management tool show in yellow - is there a way to do this with the new table? I can't seem to find a way
14:14 nengard i tried a jquery / css combo
14:14 oleonard What did you use before?
14:14 oleonard ...and have you tried sorting on that column? That's a good way to find the matches.
14:15 nengard eek - window closed - one sec will get it for you
14:16 nengard oleonard i had this
14:16 nengard #tools_manage-marc-import td.highlight { background-color: yellow; }
14:16 nengard i'll suggest to the library that they use the sorter
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14:26 nengard hey #koha I'm wondering did renewing an item ever clear the lost status on that item? I don't think it did - but want to check before I report a bug/enh
14:28 oleonard nengard: Do you think it should or shouldn't?
14:31 oleonard If the item is long overdue (lost) I would say it should--if you renew it it's not overdue anymore!
14:31 oleonard ...but it doesn't in master.
14:35 oleonard ...and didn't in 3.14.x.
14:37 nengard i don't know really if it should or shouldn't
14:37 nengard when you check in an item that was lost it makes it not lost
14:37 nengard so i think renewing should be the same ... right?
14:39 oleonard I would consider it a bug, but it's a long-standing behavior so I wonder what others think.
14:45 oleonard In my library the only time someone would have something checked out which was lost would be long overdue (lost), and normally those items would not be eligible for renewal
14:45 oleonard So maybe it's just never come up for us.
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15:15 tcohen @seen talljoy
15:15 huginn tcohen: talljoy was last seen in #koha 4 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <talljoy> lot of paperwork, eh?
15:26 tcohen Joubu: have a minute
15:26 tcohen ?
15:27 Joubu tcohen: brain in the mist, but around
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16:00 oleonard Bug 13265
16:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13265 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies
16:00 oleonard What are the search cookies for? What do they do?
16:01 bag I am always searching for cookies :P
16:02 Joubu bag: Aren't they just next to your keyboard? ;)
16:02 gaetan_B bye!
16:03 khall oleonard: it's a system to store your previous searches
16:04 oleonard But not the search history system, correct?
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16:05 khall oleonard: I don't think so, but I'm not entirely sure. The only experience I've had with it is fixing this bug. I'm not even sure where you go to see the previous searches.
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16:07 oleonard How can we be sure we're fixing the bug correctly if we don't even know what the cookies are for?
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16:08 khall based on bug 11639
16:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11639 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Untranslatable strings in 007 builder
16:09 khall It put the limit to 10 cookies, which is just still too many for some sites
16:09 oleonard Bug 11369
16:09 wahanui rumour has it Bug 11369 is hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14
16:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Stable , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client.
16:11 oleonard jcamins: I think the issue could use your input
16:12 khall oleonard: the cookies are used for the previous/next links on the record details after you search. The cookies are used to remember what the search actually was if I understand correctly. So the data is stored in a cookie, rather than being coded into the previous/next links.
16:13 khall So, if you have multiple search tabs open using the system, each one needs a cookie, or your next button would give you the next record from the last search, instead of the search you are actually on.
16:13 khall at least, that's my understanding.
16:14 jcamins oleonard: why does it need my input?
16:14 jcamins Looks like a fix was submitted.
16:14 khall afk, brb
16:14 jcamins And pushed.
16:14 oleonard Bug 13265
16:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13265 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies
16:14 gerundio hi
16:15 gerundio I'm getting a strange behaviour on some links on OPAC
16:15 gerundio for instance,[…]jugar%20verbos%22
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16:15 jcamins That seems like a reasonable solution.
16:16 drojf hi #koha
16:16 gerundio if I click on the links for Subject(s) I get a JS error on the browser developer console: "Uncaught ReferenceError: showSubjects is not defined"
16:17 gerundio there's an onclick property attached to the link: onclick="showSubjects(this, 1, 1); return false;"
16:17 gerundio does anybody know where should that showSubjects JS function be defined?
16:25 oleonard gerundio: It should be defined right on that page, I'm not sure why it's not
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16:25 gerundio I'm currently looking at the template source code
16:25 gerundio the function only gets defined [% IF OPACPopupAuthorsSearch %]
16:26 gerundio the onclick is set despite that condition
16:27 gerundio I've activated the OPACPopupAuthorsSearch setting in the OPAC preferences
16:28 gerundio and now a bootstrap modal pops up showing some options to search for
16:32 * oleonard always forgets that feature isn't available when using the xslt view
16:40 tcohen oleonard: can u take a look at the last patch for bug 9043? I'm in need for it, and want another pair of eyes
16:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9043 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Adding system preferences to control the visibility of the content on the Advanced Search page
16:41 oleonard Sure tcohen
16:41 tcohen if it's ok, sign it off
16:41 oleonard gerundio: I confirm the problem you describe. I'm curious: Is that subject search feature what you want?
16:41 oleonard gerundio: Or do you want the link to jump directly to a subject search?
16:42 oleonard gerundio: For example:[…]blionumber=201776
16:42 gerundio oleonard, I just deal with the technical point of view of Koha, not the intended features
16:43 gerundio my question here originated from a complaint from our librarians who just said something like "all almost links from OPAC don't work" :)
16:43 oleonard gerundio: I hope that the people in charge of configuring the features understand what the options are
16:43 gerundio most of the time I think they don't
16:44 oleonard gerundio: I wouldn't expect someone to have turned off the xslt view in the OPAC unless they wanted a specific feature which wasn't available with xslt
16:44 gerundio I think that they want to jump directly into the search results for each link
16:47 oleonard gerundio: So it is important to find out why the OPAC xslt view is turned off
16:47 oleonard gerundio: If there's no reason for it, you can turn it on and turn off OPACPopupAuthorsSearch
16:53 reiveune bye
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16:56 gerundio oleonard, thanks for the heads up on that
16:56 oleonard Thanks for helping diagnose the bug. I'll file a report for that if you haven't already.
16:56 gerundio go ahead, I haven't yet
17:04 oleonard tcohen: Does 9043 apply cleanly for you?
17:04 tcohen oleonard: it is just the latest patch
17:04 tcohen and it applies cleanly, yes
17:05 oleonard Oh are all the other patches pushed? I didn't realize.
17:06 tcohen yeap
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17:23 tcohen oleonard: ?
17:25 oleonard ?
17:26 tcohen have you manged to test it?
17:26 tcohen :-D
17:26 * tcohen is anxious :-P
17:28 oleonard Working on it tcohen
17:36 oleonard I find it interesting that libraries can now configure the advanced search "more options" view to have fewer options
17:41 oleonard Looks good to me tcohen
17:46 tcohen oleonard: indeed!
17:46 tcohen I love the dropdown list too ;)
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18:01 tcohen cait:
18:01 tcohen was waiting for you
18:01 cait ohoh
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18:26 tcohen bywater
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18:55 oleonard khall?
18:55 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
18:56 khall wait, what did I just miss? ; )
18:57 oleonard khall: Bug 12971 needs a GPL license fix
18:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Regression: Patron print summary doesn't show checkouts
18:57 khall thanks for the heads up!
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19:01 nengard okay, why the heck isn't this working?
19:01 nengard ("#memberentry_altaddress label[for='altcontactfirstna​me']").html("Organization");
19:01 nengard oleonard ^^
19:01 nengard has to be something small i'm missing
19:01 nengard this is simple stuff
19:09 oleonard nengard: Did you use Firebug to inspect the elements and confirm the attributes you're targeting?
19:10 nengard yup
19:10 nengard hence my confusion
19:11 nengard thought maybe i was missing a quote
19:11 nengard
19:12 oleonard I don't know what to tell you nengard, it works for me.
19:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: DBRev (Koha 3.18 beta) <[…]e63e62ade2995df8d> / Bug 9043: DBRev <[…]8ed54f9647933f939> / Bug 9043: The comma (,) should be kept to separate multi-valuated prefs <[…]tdiff;h=dddde5896
19:13 nengard hmmm - okay then maybe a problem in the jquery above it in the pref
19:13 nengard off to check
19:14 nengard oleonard ....  i was missing the $
19:14 nengard which i guess you put in :)
19:14 nengard knew it was something small and silly
19:20 oleonard Ooh I spy a 3.18 beta
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19:24 tcohen sneaky oleonard
19:25 ashimema :)
19:26 cait heh .9
19:26 cait :)
19:27 * cait made potato wedges! in the new oven!
19:27 nengard YUM
19:28 cait wohoo tcohen++
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19:31 cait koha++
19:31 tcohen koha++
19:33 cait :)
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19:34 tcohen @later tell tcohen have a nice evening, try to relax now
19:34 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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20:03 wizzyrea hi
20:04 * cait waves at wizzyrea
20:05 * cait hopes tcohen listens to himself
20:07 wizzyrea[…]18-beta-released/ I can't get this to misbehave
20:11 nengard hey all, i'm trying to find out how a purchase suggestion is linked to a order in the db
20:13 cait hm an ordered suggestion?
20:13 cait maybe by biblionumber
20:14 cait nengard: suggestions has a biblionumber column ,that would be my guess
20:14 cait aqorders - biblio - suggestions
20:15 nengard hmmm
20:15 nengard that seems kind of sloppy
20:16 cait hm makes sense to me
20:16 nengard okay
20:16 cait maybe a bit sloppy :)
20:17 nengard was thinking the suggestionid would be in the aqorders table
20:18 cait i think it should still work ok... at least i fail to find a problem use case right now
20:19 cait hm multiple suggestions for the same record maybe... but that is a problem currently anyway... we are not dealing well with duplicate wishes
20:23 wizzyrea schema definitely says that the link is biblionumber.
20:23 nengard thanks wizzyrea
20:23 nengard and cait
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20:25 mveron Good evening / daytime #koha
20:25 cait hi mveron :) showing up for the beta release party? :)
20:25 wizzyrea is there a party!?
20:25 cait well... we could have one?
20:25 mveron Oh, partytime? - Coming from a dinner I had with my brother...
20:26 cait mveron: thx for the tip with the celery
20:26 cait it was really nice
20:27 mveron I like it very much. The same with beetroot...
20:27 cait maybe next time - raw beets?
20:27 mveron Yes.
20:28 mveron And sea salt, the one with big cristals
20:28 cait :)
20:28 wizzyrea I may have to read the scrollback
20:29 cait mveron recommended baking celery in the oven like you do potato wedges
20:29 wizzyrea aha
20:29 cait so i had potato wedges and celery stripes for dinner tonight :)
20:29 cait and a salad
20:29 wizzyrea beetroot would be awesome like that.
20:31 mveron I did it a couple of weeks ago for a James Bond dinner for a friend of ours. The wedges for Gold Finger, sea salt for diamonds are forever, mango cream for the mango song of Swiss Ursula Andress. And russian salade...
20:32 wizzyrea lol 1. fun theme 2. good interpretations
20:32 cait impressive :)
20:32 mveron ...and goulash stroganow...  :-)
20:32 wizzyrea haha
20:48 mveron Sometimes 2 pixels can greatly enhance user xerience -
20:48 mveron experience...  Bug 12376
20:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12376 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , blinking cursor not clear in larger resolutions
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21:09 eythian hi
21:09 wahanui hola, eythian
21:14 cait hi eythian
21:14 eythian hi cait
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21:24 nengard anyone around who can help with some jquery?
21:25 eythian wahanui: ask
21:25 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask.
21:27 nengard :)
21:27 nengard I'm trying to hide the suspend column on the opac
21:27 nengard $("#holdst td:contains['Suspend']").hide();
21:27 nengard $("#holdst th:contains['Suspend']").hide();
21:27 nengard doesn't work
21:27 nengard ideas?
21:27 wahanui ideas are good :)
21:27 nengard i agree
21:27 cbrannon isn't there a preference for that feature?
21:28 nengard nope
21:28 nengard just can you suspend or not
21:28 cait hm
21:28 cait i think cbrannon might be right
21:28 nengard they want to be able to suspend all but not individual
21:28 cait ah
21:28 nengard :)
21:28 cait ok, tht complicates :)
21:28 nengard yup
21:28 nengard so i want to hide the column if i can
21:28 cbrannon give me a sec...
21:28 * nengard loves having cbrannon help her :)
21:29 * cait loves having cbrannon to help nengard and with qa soon :)
21:29 nengard :) hehe
21:30 cait cbrannon: did you see my pm?
21:30 cbrannon yes.  Thank you.  I will look at the framework as soon as I find an answer for nengard.  :)
21:31 cait ok :) time fo rme to sleep
21:31 cait bye all
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21:45 * nengard is worrying at how long this is taking cbrannon ...
21:45 nengard is there maybe no answer
21:45 cbrannon working on it
21:46 cbrannon should be easy enough.  Just testing.
21:46 nengard hehe
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22:04 cbrannon nengard, not having any luck yet.  Still working on it.  So far it just breaks the page.
22:05 nengard yuck
22:05 nengard okay - i'll tell them we're trying but it might not be possible
22:17 cbrannon nengard of Vahalla, the magic is $("#holdst th:nth-child(6),#holdst td:nth-child(6)").hide();
22:17 cbrannon Ack, doesn't translate.  I'll e-mail it to you.
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22:19 cbrannon nengard, I e-mailed the answer to you.
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22:21 nengard cbrannon you're awesome
22:31 mveron good night / daytime #koha
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23:00 pastebot "eythian" at pasted "3.18 beta doesn't build" (16 lines) at
23:01 eythian @later tell tcohen can't build 3.18 beta:
23:01 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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23:36 dcook Anyone around who can offer some insight about how database updates are managed these days?
23:37 dcook We still use
23:37 dcook And the release manager handles adding the DBIC resultsets?
23:37 eythian I think that's it, yeah
23:37 dcook Mm, and we still update kohastructure.sql
23:37 rangi yep for the time being yes
23:37 dcook I guess kohastructure.sql can be run on a clean DB then they can make the resultsets from there
23:38 dcook Then we use to update the database for existing installs..
23:38 dcook Thanks for confirming, eythian and rangi :)
23:41 dcook Actually, while you two are around...
23:42 dcook I've been thinking about squashing some commits in Git
23:42 dcook So, I have three in a row
23:42 dcook A, B, and C
23:42 dcook Ideally, I'd like to squash A and C together
23:42 dcook C touches on files changed in A, but B is completely unrelated
23:43 rangi just rebase -i
23:43 dcook I can't imagine there being any problems there
23:43 rangi reorder them
23:43 eythian it might work, it might give you conflicts
23:43 rangi and squash
23:43 eythian the easy way to find out is to try
23:43 rangi it often works just fine
23:43 dcook Mmm, I hadn't thought of reordering them... interesting
23:43 dcook I was going to do rebase -i then just ignore B
23:43 eythian rebase -i makes it very easy to cut/paste things around
23:45 dcook Beautiful!
23:45 wahanui i guess Beautiful! is that a "moving to jquery (ui)" thing?
23:45 dcook Thanks guys :)
23:46 dcook Hmm
23:46 dcook Tried it again and now I think I've broken something..
23:46 dcook Or not... that was weird

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