Time  Nick         Message
00:00 dcook        I think another thing to keep in mind with that one is the manual and training I suppose.
00:00 * dcook      goes back to his XSLTs
00:11 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13122 - Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3d1e527e7cf23c20db8ed35c8de678d8f8a9d92> / Bug 13256 - Typographical error on item search template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=433d9d3d9f6ef429f95f39dbe5811a04fa441f82> / Bug 13233 - Patron search by birth date tooltip broken <http://git.koha-commun
00:23 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13254 - Delete record don't wait for confirmation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=866017e1523ec430d4ec37fc92a02edb86c106e5> / Bug 10878: Correct Display856uAsImage pref description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=474735017379277b5f613b43686049ff955e152f> / Bug 13258 - Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode... <http://git.k
00:31 BobB         hi
00:31 wahanui      what's up, BobB
00:33 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13236 - Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=48db11d68b7f83588903d7c9621a144ca3be8d3a> / Bug 13196 - "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdc60b0d1064d279053d8953c69c5cadb6b07266> / Bug 13168 - "Today's checkouts" sort i
00:33 tcohen       wizzyrea: core functionalities might better belong to ADmin, right?
00:33 wizzyrea     yep
00:33 wizzyrea     imo
00:43 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12992: Fund planning should display actual values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b584f8f71ed2206856b0b1bf42d2972f78fcc4a> / Bug 13195 - Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=13fda8378337388e0bf353eacfb26ac3d3511dc8>
00:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #233: UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/233/
00:57 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 13227: Display856uAsImage displays images in OPAC in original size
00:57 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13233 - Patron search by birth date tooltip broken
00:57 jenkins_koha * Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos: Bug 13256 - Typographical error on item search template
00:57 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13122 - Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit
00:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13227 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Display856uAsImage displays images in OPAC in original size
00:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13233 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Patron search by birth date tooltip broken
00:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13256 trivial, P5 - low, ---, hector.hecaxmmx, Pushed to Master , Typographical error on item search template
00:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13122 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit
01:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #234: NOW UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/234/
01:40 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12778 - Regression: Item lost status doesn't show in list of checkouts
01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13258 - Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode field
01:40 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 10878: Correct Display856uAsImage pref description
01:40 jenkins_koha * Rafal Kopaczka: Bug 13254 - Delete record don't wait for confirmation
01:40 jenkins_koha * Olli-Antti Kivilahti: Bug 13168 - "Today's checkouts" sort improperly because issuedate lacks seconds.
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12778 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Regression: Item lost status doesn't show in list of checkouts
01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13196 - "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions
01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13236 - Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for rewewal
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13258 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode field
01:40 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13195 - Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description
01:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12992: Fund planning should display actual values
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Display856uAsImage works in Results pages, can remove caveat text from system preference.
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13254 major, P3, ---, rkopaczka, Pushed to Master , Delete record don't wait for confirmation
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13168 normal, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Master , "Today's checkouts" sort improperly because issuedate lacks seconds.
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13196 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13236 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for rewewal
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13195 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description
01:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12992 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Fund planning does not display actual values
02:00 larryb       hello #koha
02:03 dcook        hey larry
02:03 larryb       anyone want to help me with an ubunutu problem?
02:05 larryb       I'm testing out koha package install on 14.04, and it won't install. It basically boils down this dependency issue:
02:05 larryb       libnet-z3950-zoom-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 but it is not installable
02:05 larryb       anyone found a good way around that?
02:05 eythian      that shouldn't happen
02:05 larryb       it does. it did
02:06 eythian      is this a fresh install?
02:06 eythian      what repo?
02:06 wahanui      somebody said repo was sitting waiting :)
02:06 larryb       yep
02:06 rangi        do you have the indexdata repos or something
02:06 larryb       I added the repos for indexdata and k-c
02:06 eythian      yeah
02:06 eythian      don't do that
02:06 rangi        yeah
02:06 eythian      that's not in the instructions :)
02:06 larryb       leave out indexdata?
02:06 eythian      (because it's not necessary)
02:06 rangi        yes
02:06 eythian      libnet-z3950-zoom-perl is in Ubuntu's repo
02:07 larryb       but I'm guessing here it's trying to pull from the indexdata one?
02:07 eythian      probably a newer version
02:07 eythian      however, Ubuntu doesn't do the whole perlapi stuff
02:08 eythian      (I think)
02:08 larryb       guess I'm still operating on three-year old instructions. I thought we still needed the indexdata repos.
02:08 eythian      at the least, it doesn't have 5.10
02:08 eythian      nope
02:08 eythian      you should use the current instructions, they worked for me a couple of days ago
02:08 larryb       what about on debian wheezy? same thing?
02:08 eythian      I think you needed them in whatever came before squeeze, but that was a while ago now
02:09 eythian      same thing, the current instructions work
02:09 larryb       well, when I started with Koha, we were on Lenny. Guess old habits die hard.
02:09 eythian      lenny, that was it
02:09 eythian      that's when you last needed them :)
02:10 larryb       HA!
02:11 larryb       bingo!
02:11 larryb       thank you gents
02:14 larryb       Anybody running koha on wheezy yet?
02:15 eythian      we have a site on it
02:15 eythian      I think it's just our demo stuff
02:15 eythian      our newer stuff is tending to be 14.04
02:15 larryb       how's that doing for you? any issues?
02:15 eythian      however I am forming a plan to upgrade some of our stuff over xmas/ny
02:16 eythian      no issues
02:17 larryb       I haven't seen a date yet, but I'm expecting squeeze repos to go away in 2015
02:17 tcohen       larryb: we've been using Ubuntu 12.04 for a while and are now moving to 14.04
02:18 tcohen       they seem to share lots of libs
02:18 eythian      larryb: I'd like to get builds for squeeze removed some time soonish (not immediately though.) I know that the ES stuff won't work on it.
02:19 larryb       so that is that the way we're going, from debian to ubuntu?
02:20 tcohen       nah
02:20 tcohen       just our institution
02:20 eythian      oh, no.
02:20 larryb       cool. I like debian
02:20 eythian      it's just squeeze is going EOL, jessie is nearly out, I don't want to maintain across three debian releases.
02:21 larryb       yeah, that's kind what I'm thinking about, when to start moving to wheezy.
02:22 eythian      Probably now if you're not doing anything else
02:22 larryb       well, I just finished upgrading all our sites to 3.16 . . . sure, why not
02:23 eythian      I haven't done it on real production, but the systems I have done it on haven't had any issues
02:25 larryb       well, as you say, squeeze is going to be EOL soon, so it's probably time we found out if there are issues with wheezy in production
02:28 larryb       well, it's almost dinner time here, and my ubuntu install finished, so thanks again.
02:28 larryb       'night all
02:28 tcohen       night!
02:33 eythian      rangi: can kamal.bhagtani99@gmail.com be set to nomail? I get a bounce from 2003 to every message I send to the koha list.
02:34 rangi        interesting i dont get that, but ill nomail it
02:34 rangi        and that georgew
02:34 rangi        who consistently sends away from my desk mails
02:34 eythian      ah yeah
02:34 eythian      well, I've just had two bounces so far, so maybe it just started
02:34 rangi        hmm nope
02:35 rangi        they arent even on the list
02:35 eythian      odd
02:35 rangi        probably via gmane or something
02:35 eythian      sunita.pujar@dsims.org.in
02:35 eythian      that's the X-Original-To
02:35 rangi        they are
02:35 rangi        no mailed now
02:35 eythian      oh, it's a bounce from something I sent on the 13th
02:36 eythian      their system is screwed in multiple ways I think
02:36 eythian      ah, gmail was retrying
02:36 eythian      and gave up
02:41 tcohen       eythian: you don't run t/Circulation on building, right?
02:41 rangi        everything in t/ is run
02:41 eythian      I think everything in t/ runs
02:41 rangi        just not in directories under that
02:42 rangi        its what is run when you do make test
02:42 rangi        or prove  without -r
02:43 tcohen       t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t seems to depend on the db
02:43 rangi        that wont
02:43 rangi        cos its a directory
02:43 * tcohen     nods
02:43 rangi        should still be in the db_dependent tho, just to make it clear it depends on a db
02:44 tcohen       I think they pretended to make it a mocked one
02:45 jcamins      rangi: do you know of anyone who is using RDA with Koha in a way that makes it seem like something different from using AACR2 with Koha?
02:46 rangi        nope
02:46 rangi        i dont know anyone who is using RDA in that way at all tbh
02:46 rangi        ie not in any way that the users would notice
02:46 jcamins      rangi: neither do I, but a friend thought that if anyone was doing something worthwhile with RDA, they'd probably be using Koha.
02:47 rangi        its a reasonable theory
02:47 rangi        but so far i think RDA is by the cataloguers and for the cataloguers
02:47 rangi        and no one else cares
02:47 rangi        if i could think of something to do with it, id probably have a crack :)
02:48 rangi        but the stumbling block is most people are going to have a mixed catalogue .. for the foreseeable future
02:48 jcamins      I think there can be no question about RDA being by the cataloguers for the cataloguers... except with less actual cataloguer involvement.
02:48 rangi        which is going to make doing anything RDA specific kinda hard
02:50 rangi        we need cascading catalogue rules
02:51 dcook        cascading catalogue rules?
02:51 rangi        to cope with the fact that you have mixed AARC2 and RDA records
02:52 rangi        at which point i file it in the "this is a really bad idea" basket
02:52 rangi        and move on
02:56 tcohen       damn
02:57 tcohen       t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t fails "yesterday" =D
02:57 jcamins      tcohen: oh, that pitcher!
02:58 jcamins      ... this is one of those jokes that isn't funny to anyone but me, isn't it?
02:58 dcook        I think I recall that joke now that I think about it
02:58 tcohen       damn
02:58 tcohen       t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t fails "yesterday" =D
03:00 jcamins      dcook: if you had to think about it, the answer to my question is "yes, you're the only one who hears the word 'yesterday' and thinks of Abbot and Costello."
03:00 dcook        Yes, that.
03:01 dcook        :)
03:03 dcook        Also wondering why XSLT_Handler.t is in t/db_dependent...
03:03 dcook        When it doesn't look like it touches the DB at all
03:03 tcohen       because it needs context
03:03 tcohen       *probably
03:04 dcook        If it does, it must be buried deep in its dependencies..
03:04 dcook        Nope, I don't see it needing context
03:04 tcohen       it doesn't
03:05 tcohen       turn your mysql off
03:05 dcook        O_o
03:11 tcohen       to test if it depends on the db, of course
03:12 dcook        I suppose that's one option. Not an option on this server, but oh well. Doesn't really matter where it is. I shall add a new test to it anyway.
05:02 dcook        eythian: still around?
05:02 eythian      yarp
05:03 dcook        Question for you regarding verbosity, cronjobs, and modules
05:03 eythian      was supposed to be at training, but the rain got worse and I didn't feel up to biking
05:03 dcook        Boo rain
05:03 dcook        You suggested using a verbose flag to turn on output for the cronjob
05:03 dcook        I added that as it seemed like a good idea, but to get it to do anything I have to pass it to my module
05:03 dcook        Which seems sub-optimal :/
05:04 eythian      hmm
05:04 eythian      maybe look into something that lets you see loglevels
05:04 eythian      *set
05:04 eythian      papa: you have dealt with this recently, you may have more ideas
05:04 dcook        Well, I was thinking more along the lines of what gets printed where
05:04 dcook        and by what
05:05 eythian      these are very vague questions, you know.
05:05 dcook        I'm happy to be more specific :)
05:05 dcook        You suggested moving the DBIC stuff into the module, so I did that
05:06 dcook        So I select X number of records
05:06 dcook        If I want to print that out (when my verbose flag is on), I'm currently printing that in the module
05:06 dcook        But I'm thinking it might make more sense to make a sub like "gather_records", use that in the cronjob, print the number if the verbose flag is active, and then act on the data returned by "gather_records" using another object method
05:07 eythian      yeah, so two ways of doing that. Passing "hey, print stuff" into the module (which I think is what I suggested) and the normal way, which I apparently forgot. Which is to use a logging system.
05:07 dcook        The downside of that is that I have about 5 different subs in my cronjob when I'm only doing 1 thing
05:07 dcook        I'm not sure I follow
05:07 dcook        Well, maybe..
05:08 dcook        In this case, logging it would be most useful
05:08 eythian      many small subs isn't the end of the world
05:08 eythian      if you have a logging framework thing, then you can say "Loglevel(DEBUG)" and everything will get logged, etc.
05:08 dcook        Well, there are going to be many small subs. It's just whether they're called by a master sub in the module or individually in the cronjob
05:08 eythian      oh. Up to you.
05:10 dcook        Hmm, I suppose neither way seems particularly perfect
05:11 eythian      on the surface, either seems fine
05:11 dcook        I would think that you'd want to avoid printing stuff in the module as it should just be behind the scenes logic, yeah?
05:11 eythian      mostly, yeah
05:11 eythian      it depends
05:12 eythian      if you're outputting debug stuff, then anywhere is fine
05:12 eythian      if this is output to be informative about someting happening for a regular human, then probably at a higher level
05:12 dcook        Hmm, that's what I was starting to think as well
05:12 dcook        I figure using warnings in the sub is useful for debugging
05:12 eythian      so it has appropriate semantic info, or can make summaries, or whatever
05:12 dcook        And then informative info should be done in the cronjob
05:13 dcook        Or logged from the cronjob
05:14 eythian      yeah, that sounds sensible
05:14 dcook        Cool :)
05:23 dcook        Yeah, I think this makes more sense
05:26 dcook        Actually, one more question, eythian :)
05:26 dcook        Which is more preferable? Using a hash or a hashref for method parameters?
05:26 dcook        It seems like many methods in the wild accept hashes
05:26 eythian      personally, I like hash, but Class::Accessor likes hashref, so I tend to go with that for consistency.
05:27 dcook        Hmm, I thought I'd noticed a fair number of hashrefs in Koha
05:27 dcook        Coolbeans
06:49 Oak          kia ora #koha
06:49 Oak          magnuse
06:50 Oak          hello cait !
07:03 cait         hi Oak - sorry, not really here :)
07:03 Oak          okay. won't tell anyone. i did not see you.
07:03 Oak          cait? cait who?
07:04 cait         heh
07:04 Oak          no worries.
07:17 Oak          Bonjour monsieur paul_p
07:36 * magnuse    waves
07:38 magnuse      dcook: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL16:_Hashrefs_should_be_used_as_arguments
07:42 cait         thx magnuse :)
07:42 cait         i was thinking about that one earlier
07:42 reiveune     hello
07:43 magnuse      eythian too: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL16:_Hashrefs_should_be_used_as_arguments :-)
07:44 cait         bbiab
07:44 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:44 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
07:54 alex_a       Bonjour
07:54 wahanui      privet, alex_a
07:56 marcelr      hi #koha
08:12 Oak          Bonjour monsieur alex_a
08:20 gaetan_B     hello
08:20 wahanui      hey, gaetan_B
08:20 cait         hi Oak, gaetan_B and wahanui :)
08:23 cait         morning akafred
08:24 akafred      good morning, cait :-)
08:24 marcelr      hi cait Oak gaetan_B and akafred
08:26 cait         morning mar
08:26 cait         morning marcelr
08:26 cait         :)
08:57 simabelew    I have come seeking assistance on running koha
08:58 simabelew    any one for help?
08:59 ashimema     morning #koha
09:00 cait         moring ashimema
09:01 cait         simabelew: just ask your question - people will answer if they can haelp
09:01 cait         help...
09:02 magnuse      hiya ashimema
09:14 simabelew    I was running koha on debian linux but When I upgrade debian 6 squeeze to debian 7 wheezy, it has also upgraded mysql 5.1 to mysql 5.5. After that I was not able to access my database. The configuration has been changed I think but I dodnot where the change has taken place. I cannot my library system now. any help please?
09:14 nlegrand     hiya #koha
09:33 cait         simabelew: we'd need an error message or something to help you
09:33 cait         i haven't heard of probles after updating so far
09:34 cait         hi nlegrand :)
09:36 nlegrand     hey cait o/ :)
09:44 lawalebalty  Please, I need help on koha ....I have installed it but the web installation is not coming up
09:44 lawalebalty  when I did localhost:80 it was apache2 index page that was coimng up
09:45 cait         you need to access the staff interface to run the web installer - 80 would usually be the end user catalog (OPAC)
09:45 cait         try 8080 for a start
09:51 lawalebalty  okie
09:52 lawalebalty  this is what came up when I tried localhost:8080  Index of / [ICO]	Name	Last modified	Size	Description [DIR]	html/	2014-11-17 10:42 	- 	  Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 8080
09:53 drojf        hi #koha
09:53 cait         hi drojf
09:53 drojf        hi cait :)
09:57 lawalebalty  hi cait
10:00 cait         lawalebalty: i am not sure, it hink something is wrong with your apache configuration
10:02 lawalebalty  Can you please help me out?.. we can do team viewer please
10:04 cait         no sorry, i am at work
10:05 drojf        lawalebalty: have you disabled the default apache website?
10:05 drojf        (do you get a page that says "it works"?)
10:07 lawalebalty  @drojf, yes i got a page that says it works
10:07 huginn       lawalebalty: I suck
10:08 drojf        lawalebalty: you have to disable this default website. you could try  "sudo a2dissite default"
10:08 lawalebalty  @drojf, okay..I will run the command now...Thanks
10:08 huginn       lawalebalty: downloading the Perl source
10:10 lawalebalty  drojf: ERROR: Site default does not exist!
10:12 drojf        lawalebalty: what instructions did you use to install koha?
10:12 magnuse      it might be called something like 000-default
10:13 magnuse      do "ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/" to check
10:13 lawalebalty  someone sent document to me which I followed....I can forward it to you if you drop me ur email or you can just hi me:              lawalebalty@gmail.com
10:14 lawalebalty  magnuse: I got this when I ran the command you sent ;  000-default.conf  library.conf
10:18 drojf        lawalebalty: there are instructions in the official wiki. if you are using debian have a look here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:20 lawalebalty  drojf: I have installed ubuntu 14.04
10:20 drojf        lawalebalty: it's for ubuntu too, there are some extra notes about 14.04 on the bottom of the page
10:26 lawalebalty  drojf: Thanks
10:26 magnuse      lawalebalty: you'll have to do "sudo a2dissite 000-default" then
10:28 drojf        magnuse is right of course, sorry
10:47 simabelew    Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 102. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 102. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/Output.pm line 31. BEGIN fai
10:47 simabelew    That is the error message.
10:48 simabelew    please help
10:48 nlegrand     sudo apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl
10:55 nlegrand     I think last time I wanted to install all perl deps with a dev install I did something silly like this : sudo apt-get install $(./koha_perl_deps.pl  -a|perl -ne 'if (/(?:No|Yes)/) { s/(^.*?)\s.*/lib\L$1-perl/; s/::/-/g; print }' |tr '\n' ' ')
10:56 nlegrand     :) well, some of them aren't in debian
11:07 simabelew    The following packages have unmet dependencies: libnet-z3950-zoom-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 Unable to correct problems, you have held proken packages
11:08 simabelew    that is the error when I try to install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl
11:13 nlegrand     simabelew: so it's an APT problem :) you may have some hints on the web (eg http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/121149/fix-held-broken-packages-on-debian or http://askubuntu.com/questions/223237/unable-to-correct-problems-you-have-held-broken-packages)
11:13 nlegrand     simabelew: by the way, if it's a new install, I suggest you to run it on wheezy (current stable) instead of squeeze (old stable)
11:19 simabelew    nlegrand: it is not a new install. I have been it for some time. It was running on Debian 6 squeez. But when I run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it has upgraded it to Debian. But then my koha system which was running fine stopped working. what went wrong, i do not know.
11:21 nlegrand     simabelew: you mean it's a Wheezy now ?
11:22 simabelew    yes it is. but koha is not running.
11:25 nlegrand     It looks like something went wrong with your Debian upgrade, you'll need to fix it first. libnet-z3950-zoom-perl depends on perlapi-5.14.2, which is a virtual package.
11:38 * ashimema   is back
11:42 tcohen       morning!
12:02 ashimema     morning tcohen
12:03 * ashimema   is just about getting his head around oauth and Bearer Tokens now.. and is tempted to add oauth to koha if and when a moment arrises..
12:05 cait         ashimema: funny, my coworker asked me about oauth today
12:05 cait         what are your plans for it?
12:05 ashimema     at the minute.. to get it working in the app i'm developing here..
12:06 ashimema     once i've got that fully working I 'might' think koha..
12:06 ashimema     but it kinda depends on whether there much interest in it.. and whether I'll ever get funding to do it ;)
12:06 ashimema     though I'd be happy to test somthing if your co-worker implements it ;)
12:07 ashimema     What is he/she wanting to achieve?
12:08 ashimema     allot of stuff can be acheived using a shibboleth gateway (simplesamlphp for instance can convert oauth claims into shibboleth sessions ;), so by proxy we already support oauth if your happy using such a mash up )
12:08 ashimema     That would be what we did when we tested shib in fact... you logged in with google credentials.. they came into fiede via oauth
12:11 cait         he was looking for a standard way to authenticate other library services
12:11 cait         using Koha as the identity provider(?)
12:12 cait         so the other side of what we have with shib now
12:15 ashimema     interseting..
12:15 ashimema     tell him to take a look at simplesamlphp..
12:16 ashimema     it's a reasonably complete authentication (SSO) solution.. including the ability to be an 'authentication bridge' or 'Identity Provider'
12:17 ashimema     I'm actually digging into the OAuth as provider for my application at the minute and it's not especially straight forward it seems..
12:17 ashimema     it's much easir to consume the tokens than to provide them to the world..
12:18 * ashimema   is working on the multiple issuer paradox at this precise moment ;)
12:22 tcohen       morning!
12:24 tcohen       @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:24 huginn       tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 26.6°C (9:20 AM ART on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
12:51 marcelr      hi tcohen
12:51 tcohen       hi marcelr
12:51 tcohen       thought i was alone here :-P
12:52 marcelr      yes it is quiet
12:56 oleonard     Hi #koha
13:02 tcohen       hi oleonard
13:02 magnuse      @wunder boo
13:02 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (1:50 PM CET on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:03 tcohen       magnuse: can u take a look at bug 12750?
13:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create should be able to configure SRU server for the created instance
13:05 cait         hi paul_p
13:06 nlegrand     hey paul_p :)
13:07 tcohen       hi paul_p
13:08 paul_p       (meeting in ebaf/jerusalem all the week, sorry, i'm not really here)
13:08 magnuse      hei paul_p
13:08 magnuse      and hi nlegrand
13:08 cait         you sure get around this year :)
13:09 nlegrand     hey magnuse !
13:09 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:09 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #235: FIXED in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/235/
13:12 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:12 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #224: FIXED in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/224/
13:13 cait         paul_p: I wrote you an email about the hackfest earlier - would be gread if you could give a quick answer
13:14 paul_p       can it wait for tomorrow morning ?
13:14 paul_p       (seen it, I only don't have impossible dates in mind. there are some/few)
13:15 cait         paul_p: tomorrow morning owuld be great
13:15 cait         we are trying to find a date for our user meeting and the dates look like they might collide :(
13:25 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:25 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #242: FIXED in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12/242/
13:27 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:27 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #168: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB/168/
13:34 oleonard     This morning I'm back to trying to figure out why some renewals are coming up with a different due date than others
13:34 oleonard     anyone else seen anything like that?
13:37 cait         oleonard: i have a library reporting something like that
13:37 cait         they think it might be refreshing the page... but I doubt it
13:38 cait         but they said all checkuts have one due date... and one has another
13:38 oleonard     I've only heard reports of it in 3.16.x and I was able to reproduce in master
13:38 cait         ths is a 3.12 one :(
13:50 * oleonard   would like to upload a .koc to test with but it isn't working
13:51 oleonard     enqueue_koc.pl: Use of uninitialized value $command in hash element at offline_circ/enqueue_koc.pl line 176
13:51 oleonard     enqueue_koc.pl: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at offline_circ/enqueue_koc.pl line 147
13:53 Joubu        Is there a financial expert arround?
13:53 Joubu        The question is: how should be calculated the tax value?
13:54 Joubu        round(quantity * ecost * tax rate) or quantity * round(ecost) * tax rate?
13:54 Joubu        Maybe it depends on the country...
13:57 marcelr      could be
13:59 Joubu        marcelr: do you know how it is in Netherlands?
14:00 marcelr      tax is applied at the end
14:00 oleonard     Built-in offline circulation doesn't respect the date due selected in the "specify due date" field.
14:01 marcelr      so say round(   round(units * amount) * tax  )
14:05 cait         Joubu: no idea :(
14:05 cait         but if the code is all nicely centralized... :P
14:05 cait         we canmake it a pref!
14:05 cait         *hides*
14:05 cait         only joking this time i would set on one for now
14:05 marcelr      heh only one pref?
14:06 cait         i am sure the list would grow :)
14:06 marcelr      will there be a prize for the one adding syspref no. 1000 ?
14:06 cait         we could make people enter their equations themselves
14:07 Joubu        cait: good idea! :p
14:08 Joubu        marcelr: ok, it seems to be the same as in France
14:08 * Joubu      is going to edit the wiki....
14:11 oleonard     Okay so apparently the built-in offline circulation system NEVER respected the due date chosen at the time of checkout
14:14 nengard      oleonard i had this css that was making matched records on the staged marc record management tool show in yellow - is there a way to do this with the new table? I can't seem to find a way
14:14 nengard      i tried a jquery / css combo
14:14 oleonard     What did you use before?
14:14 oleonard     ...and have you tried sorting on that column? That's a good way to find the matches.
14:15 nengard      eek - window closed - one sec will get it for you
14:16 nengard      oleonard i had this
14:16 nengard      #tools_manage-marc-import td.highlight { background-color: yellow; }
14:16 nengard      i'll suggest to the library that they use the sorter
14:26 nengard      hey #koha I'm wondering did renewing an item ever clear the lost status on that item? I don't think it did - but want to check before I report a bug/enh
14:28 oleonard     nengard: Do you think it should or shouldn't?
14:31 oleonard     If the item is long overdue (lost) I would say it should--if you renew it it's not overdue anymore!
14:31 oleonard     ...but it doesn't in master.
14:35 oleonard     ...and didn't in 3.14.x.
14:37 nengard      i don't know really if it should or shouldn't
14:37 nengard      when you check in an item that was lost it makes it not lost
14:37 nengard      so i think renewing should be the same ... right?
14:39 oleonard     I would consider it a bug, but it's a long-standing behavior so I wonder what others think.
14:45 oleonard     In my library the only time someone would have something checked out which was lost would be long overdue (lost), and normally those items would not be eligible for renewal
14:45 oleonard     So maybe it's just never come up for us.
15:15 tcohen       @seen talljoy
15:15 huginn       tcohen: talljoy was last seen in #koha 4 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <talljoy> lot of paperwork, eh?
15:26 tcohen       Joubu: have a minute
15:26 tcohen       ?
15:27 Joubu        tcohen: brain in the mist, but around
16:00 oleonard     Bug 13265
16:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13265 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies
16:00 oleonard     What are the search cookies for? What do they do?
16:01 bag          I am always searching for cookies :P
16:02 Joubu        bag: Aren't they just next to your keyboard? ;)
16:02 gaetan_B     bye!
16:03 khall        oleonard: it's a system to store your previous searches
16:04 oleonard     But not the search history system, correct?
16:05 khall        oleonard: I don't think so, but I'm not entirely sure. The only experience I've had with it is fixing this bug. I'm not even sure where you go to see the previous searches.
16:07 oleonard     How can we be sure we're fixing the bug correctly if we don't even know what the cookies are for?
16:08 khall        based on bug 11639
16:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11639 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Untranslatable strings in 007 builder
16:09 khall        It put the limit to 10 cookies, which is just still too many for some sites
16:09 oleonard     Bug 11369
16:09 wahanui      rumour has it Bug 11369 is hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14
16:09 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Stable , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client.
16:11 oleonard     jcamins: I think the issue could use your input
16:12 khall        oleonard: the cookies are used for the previous/next links on the record details after you search. The cookies are used to remember what the search actually was if I understand correctly. So the data is stored in a cookie, rather than being coded into the previous/next links.
16:13 khall        So, if you have multiple search tabs open using the system, each one needs a cookie, or your next button would give you the next record from the last search, instead of the search you are actually on.
16:13 khall        at least, that's my understanding.
16:14 jcamins      oleonard: why does it need my input?
16:14 jcamins      Looks like a fix was submitted.
16:14 khall        afk, brb
16:14 jcamins      And pushed.
16:14 oleonard     Bug 13265
16:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13265 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies
16:14 gerundio     hi
16:15 gerundio     I'm getting a strange behaviour on some links on OPAC
16:15 gerundio     for instance, https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=47904&query_desc=kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20%22conjugar%20verbos%22
16:15 jcamins      That seems like a reasonable solution.
16:16 drojf        hi #koha
16:16 gerundio     if I click on the links for Subject(s) I get a JS error on the browser developer console: "Uncaught ReferenceError: showSubjects is not defined"
16:17 gerundio     there's an onclick property attached to the link: onclick="showSubjects(this, 1, 1); return false;"
16:17 gerundio     does anybody know where should that showSubjects JS function be defined?
16:25 oleonard     gerundio: It should be defined right on that page, I'm not sure why it's not
16:25 gerundio     I'm currently looking at the template source code
16:25 gerundio     the function only gets defined [% IF OPACPopupAuthorsSearch %]
16:26 gerundio     the onclick is set despite that condition
16:27 gerundio     I've activated the OPACPopupAuthorsSearch setting in the OPAC preferences
16:28 gerundio     and now a bootstrap modal pops up showing some options to search for
16:32 * oleonard   always forgets that feature isn't available when using the xslt view
16:40 tcohen       oleonard: can u take a look at the last patch for bug 9043? I'm in need for it, and want another pair of eyes
16:40 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9043 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Adding system preferences to control the visibility of the content on the Advanced Search page
16:41 oleonard     Sure tcohen
16:41 tcohen       if it's ok, sign it off
16:41 oleonard     gerundio: I confirm the problem you describe. I'm curious: Is that subject search feature what you want?
16:41 oleonard     gerundio: Or do you want the link to jump directly to a subject search?
16:42 oleonard     gerundio: For example: http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=201776
16:42 gerundio     oleonard, I just deal with the technical point of view of Koha, not the intended features
16:43 gerundio     my question here originated from a complaint from our librarians who just said something like "all almost links from OPAC don't work" :)
16:43 oleonard     gerundio: I hope that the people in charge of configuring the features understand what the options are
16:43 gerundio     most of the time I think they don't
16:44 oleonard     gerundio: I wouldn't expect someone to have turned off the xslt view in the OPAC unless they wanted a specific feature which wasn't available with xslt
16:44 gerundio     I think that they want to jump directly into the search results for each link
16:47 oleonard     gerundio: So it is important to find out why the OPAC xslt view is turned off
16:47 oleonard     gerundio: If there's no reason for it, you can turn it on and turn off OPACPopupAuthorsSearch
16:53 reiveune     bye
16:56 gerundio     oleonard, thanks for the heads up on that
16:56 oleonard     Thanks for helping diagnose the bug. I'll file a report for that if you haven't already.
16:56 gerundio     go ahead, I haven't yet
17:04 oleonard     tcohen: Does 9043 apply cleanly for you?
17:04 tcohen       oleonard: it is just the latest patch
17:04 tcohen       and it applies cleanly, yes
17:05 oleonard     Oh are all the other patches pushed? I didn't realize.
17:06 tcohen       yeap
17:23 tcohen       oleonard: ?
17:25 oleonard     ?
17:26 tcohen       have you manged to test it?
17:26 tcohen       :-D
17:26 * tcohen     is anxious :-P
17:28 oleonard     Working on it tcohen
17:36 oleonard     I find it interesting that libraries can now configure the advanced search "more options" view to have fewer options
17:41 oleonard     Looks good to me tcohen
17:46 tcohen       oleonard: indeed!
17:46 tcohen       I love the dropdown list too ;)
18:01 tcohen       cait:
18:01 tcohen       was waiting for you
18:01 cait         ohoh
18:26 tcohen       bywater
18:55 oleonard     khall?
18:55 wahanui      khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
18:56 khall        wait, what did I just miss? ; )
18:57 oleonard     khall: Bug 12971 needs a GPL license fix
18:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Regression: Patron print summary doesn't show checkouts
18:57 khall        thanks for the heads up!
19:01 nengard      okay, why the heck isn't this working?
19:01 nengard      ("#memberentry_altaddress label[for='altcontactfirstname']").html("Organization");
19:01 nengard      oleonard ^^
19:01 nengard      has to be something small i'm missing
19:01 nengard      this is simple stuff
19:09 oleonard     nengard: Did you use Firebug to inspect the elements and confirm the attributes you're targeting?
19:10 nengard      yup
19:10 nengard      hence my confusion
19:11 nengard      thought maybe i was missing a quote
19:11 nengard      http://screencast.com/t/IcmtpoUmpItI
19:12 oleonard     I don't know what to tell you nengard, it works for me.
19:12 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: DBRev (Koha 3.18 beta) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cd7c24c11d46bed02601b0e63e62ade2995df8d> / Bug 9043: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b500b996efca363fac8f908ed54f9647933f939> / Bug 9043: The comma (,) should be kept to separate multi-valuated prefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dddde5896
19:13 nengard      hmmm - okay then maybe a problem in the jquery above it in the pref
19:13 nengard      off to check
19:14 nengard      oleonard ....  i was missing the $
19:14 nengard      which i guess you put in :)
19:14 nengard      knew it was something small and silly
19:20 oleonard     Ooh I spy a 3.18 beta
19:24 tcohen       sneaky oleonard
19:25 ashimema     :)
19:26 cait         heh .9
19:26 cait         :)
19:27 * cait       made potato wedges! in the new oven!
19:27 nengard      YUM
19:28 cait         wohoo tcohen++
19:31 cait         koha++
19:31 tcohen       koha++
19:33 cait         :)
19:34 tcohen       @later tell tcohen have a nice evening, try to relax now
19:34 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
20:03 wizzyrea     hi
20:04 * cait       waves at wizzyrea
20:05 * cait       hopes tcohen listens to himself
20:07 wizzyrea     http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-beta-released/ I can't get this to misbehave
20:11 nengard      hey all, i'm trying to find out how a purchase suggestion is linked to a order in the db
20:13 cait         hm an ordered suggestion?
20:13 cait         maybe by biblionumber
20:14 cait         nengard: suggestions has a biblionumber column ,that would be my guess
20:14 cait         aqorders - biblio - suggestions
20:15 nengard      hmmm
20:15 nengard      that seems kind of sloppy
20:16 cait         hm makes sense to me
20:16 nengard      okay
20:16 cait         maybe a bit sloppy :)
20:17 nengard      was thinking the suggestionid would be in the aqorders table
20:18 cait         i think it should still work ok... at least i fail to find a problem use case right now
20:19 cait         hm multiple suggestions for the same record maybe... but that is a problem currently anyway... we are not dealing well with duplicate wishes
20:23 wizzyrea     schema definitely says that the link is biblionumber.
20:23 nengard      thanks wizzyrea
20:23 nengard      and cait
20:25 mveron       Good evening / daytime #koha
20:25 cait         hi mveron :) showing up for the beta release party? :)
20:25 wizzyrea     is there a party!?
20:25 cait         well... we could have one?
20:25 mveron       Oh, partytime? - Coming from a dinner I had with my brother...
20:26 cait         mveron: thx for the tip with the celery
20:26 cait         it was really nice
20:27 mveron       I like it very much. The same with beetroot...
20:27 cait         maybe next time - raw beets?
20:27 mveron       Yes.
20:28 mveron       And sea salt, the one with big cristals
20:28 cait         :)
20:28 wizzyrea     I may have to read the scrollback
20:29 cait         mveron recommended baking celery in the oven like you do potato wedges
20:29 wizzyrea     aha
20:29 cait         so i had potato wedges and celery stripes for dinner tonight :)
20:29 cait         and a salad
20:29 wizzyrea     beetroot would be awesome like that.
20:31 mveron       I did it a couple of weeks ago for a James Bond dinner for a friend of ours. The wedges for Gold Finger, sea salt for diamonds are forever, mango cream for the mango song of Swiss Ursula Andress. And russian salade...
20:32 wizzyrea     lol 1. fun theme 2. good interpretations
20:32 cait         impressive :)
20:32 mveron       ...and goulash stroganow...  :-)
20:32 wizzyrea     haha
20:48 mveron       Sometimes 2 pixels can greatly enhance user xerience -
20:48 mveron       experience...  Bug 12376
20:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12376 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , blinking cursor not clear in larger resolutions
21:09 eythian      hi
21:09 wahanui      hola, eythian
21:14 cait         hi eythian
21:14 eythian      hi cait
21:24 nengard      anyone around who can help with some jquery?
21:25 eythian      wahanui: ask
21:25 wahanui      Don't ask to ask, just ask.
21:27 nengard      :)
21:27 nengard      I'm trying to hide the suspend column on the opac
21:27 nengard      $("#holdst td:contains['Suspend']").hide();
21:27 nengard      $("#holdst th:contains['Suspend']").hide();
21:27 nengard      doesn't work
21:27 nengard      ideas?
21:27 wahanui      ideas are good :)
21:27 nengard      i agree
21:27 cbrannon     isn't there a preference for that feature?
21:28 nengard      nope
21:28 nengard      just can you suspend or not
21:28 cait         hm
21:28 cait         i think cbrannon might be right
21:28 nengard      they want to be able to suspend all but not individual
21:28 cait         ah
21:28 nengard      :)
21:28 cait         ok, tht complicates :)
21:28 nengard      yup
21:28 nengard      so i want to hide the column if i can
21:28 cbrannon     give me a sec...
21:28 * nengard    loves having cbrannon help her :)
21:29 * cait       loves having cbrannon to help nengard and with qa soon :)
21:29 nengard      :) hehe
21:30 cait         cbrannon: did you see my pm?
21:30 cbrannon     yes.  Thank you.  I will look at the framework as soon as I find an answer for nengard.  :)
21:31 cait         ok :) time fo rme to sleep
21:31 cait         bye all
21:45 * nengard    is worrying at how long this is taking cbrannon ...
21:45 nengard      is there maybe no answer
21:45 cbrannon     working on it
21:46 cbrannon     should be easy enough.  Just testing.
21:46 nengard      hehe
22:04 cbrannon     nengard, not having any luck yet.  Still working on it.  So far it just breaks the page.
22:05 nengard      yuck
22:05 nengard      okay - i'll tell them we're trying but it might not be possible
22:17 cbrannon     nengard of Vahalla, the magic is $("#holdst th:nth-child(6),#holdst td:nth-child(6)").hide();
22:17 cbrannon     Ack, doesn't translate.  I'll e-mail it to you.
22:19 cbrannon     nengard, I e-mailed the answer to you.
22:21 nengard      cbrannon you're awesome
22:31 mveron       good night / daytime #koha
23:00 pastebot     "eythian" at pasted "3.18 beta doesn't build" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/290
23:01 eythian      @later tell tcohen can't build 3.18 beta: http://paste.koha-community.org/290
23:01 huginn       eythian: The operation succeeded.
23:36 dcook        Anyone around who can offer some insight about how database updates are managed these days?
23:37 dcook        We still use updatedatabase.pl?
23:37 dcook        And the release manager handles adding the DBIC resultsets?
23:37 eythian      I think that's it, yeah
23:37 dcook        Mm, and we still update kohastructure.sql
23:37 rangi        yep for the time being yes
23:37 dcook        I guess kohastructure.sql can be run on a clean DB then they can make the resultsets from there
23:38 dcook        Then we use updatedatabase.pl to update the database for existing installs..
23:38 dcook        Thanks for confirming, eythian and rangi :)
23:41 dcook        Actually, while you two are around...
23:42 dcook        I've been thinking about squashing some commits in Git
23:42 dcook        So, I have three in a row
23:42 dcook        A, B, and C
23:42 dcook        Ideally, I'd like to squash A and C together
23:42 dcook        C touches on files changed in A, but B is completely unrelated
23:43 rangi        just rebase -i
23:43 dcook        I can't imagine there being any problems there
23:43 rangi        reorder them
23:43 eythian      it might work, it might give you conflicts
23:43 rangi        and squash
23:43 eythian      the easy way to find out is to try
23:43 rangi        it often works just fine
23:43 dcook        Mmm, I hadn't thought of reordering them... interesting
23:43 dcook        I was going to do rebase -i then just ignore B
23:43 eythian      rebase -i makes it very easy to cut/paste things around
23:45 dcook        Beautiful!
23:45 wahanui      i guess Beautiful! is that a "moving to jquery (ui)" thing?
23:45 dcook        Thanks guys :)
23:46 dcook        Hmm
23:46 dcook        Tried it again and now I think I've broken something..
23:46 dcook        Or not... that was weird