IRC log for #koha, 2014-07-01

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00:00 dcook I think my friends are a bit crazy for getting me one, but I've been thinking about buying a tablet for a while if only to catch up on email on transit..
00:00 dcook Also better for webcomic reading :D
00:01 eythian they're great for that
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00:04 dcook Man trying to identify to Nickserv only using your thumbs is not fun..
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00:05 dac Developer meeting tomorrow morning, yeah?
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00:10 dcook Perfect
00:16 eythian dcook: yeah, you might be able to tell the IRC client to auto log you in to nickserv
00:17 dcook Yeah,  I figured it out eventually. Looks like the app might've changed a bit since I used it last.
00:17 dcook Or I just haven't used it in so long that I forget how to do it :p
00:18 dcook All good now though :D
00:18 dcook Alarm in the phone, so one way or another I should be there tomorrow morning
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00:57 dcook This is kind of cool:
00:57 dcook
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00:57 dcook Couldn't get this one to work as it kept timing out:
00:59 eythian dcook: one of the folks here made that.
00:59 eythian the moose rdeps one works for me
01:00 dcook Hmm weird
01:00 dcook Cool that Grant is one of you folks
01:03 eythian I should find some lunch
01:03 eythian but I don't know what I want.
01:04 eythian Maybe a quesidea.
01:04 dcook Yeah, I forgot my lunch at home. Sick though so don't feel like finding it.
01:04 * dcook needs a lunch henchman
01:05 eythian <-- this is useful for that
01:05 eythian ooh
01:06 eythian I might have Vietnamise.
01:06 eythian only, spelt right.
01:06 dcook hehe
01:07 dcook lol
01:07 dcook Alas, too much walking
01:07 dcook Badde Manors is pretty tasty though
01:13 eythian I have Vietnamese chicken curry now
01:14 dcook Mmm
01:14 dcook I think I might have to run out and get some laksa soon
02:10 eythian wahanui: are you a bot?
02:10 wahanui eythian: no idea
02:11 eythian wahanui: bots is <reply>
02:11 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:14 dcook
03:14 dcook Yeah, really helpful, guys...
03:14 dcook Because no one would ever want to analyze the query that they've transformed before sending it to the server...
03:15 dcook Err, more specifically...
03:17 dcook For anyone who is a bit masochistic and wants to see how Net::Z3950::ZOOM calls the ZOOM-C API...;a=tree
03:18 eythian nooooooope.
03:19 dcook hehe
03:19 dcook It's not too interesting
03:21 dcook Indexdata Git is
03:21 dcook indexdata git?
03:21 wahanui indexdata git is, like,
03:29 dcook On the plus side, I have a better idea of what C looks like now..
03:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11357 - biblioitems.size value not correctly displayed in list emails sent from... <[…]19e1453a7e6ec8aaa>
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04:06 rangi aleisha:[…]_bug.cgi?id=12386
04:06 huginn Bug 12386: trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , 'Days in advance' pull down in bootstrap OPAC is huge
04:08 rangi also[…]_bug.cgi?id=12429
04:08 huginn Bug 12429: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , patron seeing fines codes
04:10 rangi[…]_bug.cgi?id=12494 too
04:10 huginn Bug 12494: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Remove yuipath system preference
04:43 dcook Is it just me or is QueryParser royally borked in the intranet?
04:43 dcook I thought I had it working recently...
04:44 dcook Borked for the "Search the catalog" at the top. Not the advanced search.
04:50 aleisha rangi: managed to sign off on 12386 (once I worked out how to test it) so I'll do 12429 now!
04:50 rangi sweet!
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05:00 eythian hi cait
05:00 eythian go etc.
05:02 cait morning
05:03 cait wish etc.
05:03 eythian heh
05:13 rangi
05:22 rangi cait: how do you add baskets to a basketgroup?
05:22 cait there are different ways
05:22 cait one thing you can do is check the little check box in the yellow alert htat appeart when closing a basket
05:22 cait that will create a basket group with the name ofyour basket automatically and shuld take you there
05:23 rangi cool
05:23 cait anothe option is going to he vendor of your basket
05:23 cait and then new basket group - and drag and drop the closed baskets into it
05:24 aleisha cait: how do you close a basket?
05:25 cait there is a button on top of he basket
05:25 cait but beware
05:25 cait it will only appear when you don't have uncertain prices
05:26 cait you will have to dealwith those first in case and then you can close it
05:27 cait so basically you create you choose a vendor... create a basket... order something and don't check the uncertain checkbox
05:27 cait and then it should have close basket in the top toolbar
05:28 cait hope what I said is understandable :) i am still waking up :)
05:30 eythian[…]d-once-aga,14181/
05:33 cait lol
05:36 aleisha thanks cait that helps heaps but i'm not able to change the quantity when im adding an order to the basket?
05:36 cait oh yes
05:36 cait you have to click the little add item button a bit above
05:36 cait then the counter will go up as the item is added
05:36 cait ... every of our libraries asks that at least once
05:36 aleisha ohhh i see thank you!
05:37 cait but i have no idea how to improve it :(
05:38 dcook I so do not get bitwise string operators...
05:38 dcook Oh wait...maybe I'm just missing the last step..
05:40 aleisha well I can sign off on that patch now so thanks for your help!
05:40 cait :)
05:40 cait thx for your help!
05:40 cait aleisha++
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05:42 dcook Oh...I think I might actually understand now..
05:47 cait dcook: hm?
05:48 dcook Koha's relies upon the following logic to set the base permissions for users: "( $flags & ( 2**$bit ) )"
05:48 dcook 2**$bit will calculate 2 raised to the power of $bit
05:49 dcook The bitwise operand & does a bitwise 'AND' operation
05:49 eythian it's not a string there, it's a number
05:49 dcook Hmm?
05:50 dcook The quotation marks are just to denote the code bit
05:50 dcook code *
05:50 dcook So & does the operation on the numbers in binary
05:50 eythian <dcook> I so do not get bitwise string operators...
05:50 eythian they're number operators
05:50 dcook[…]-String-Operators
05:51 dcook Ahh, I think I see what you're saying
05:51 dcook "If an operand is a number, that will imply a numeric bitwise operation"
05:51 eythian yeah :)
05:51 dcook :)
05:51 dcook So this helped visualize it for me:[…]ise_operation#AND
05:52 eythian though, I didn't actually know about the string versions of the operators. That seems to be too much like magic for my tastes.
05:52 eythian Probably useful in some obscure cases.
05:52 dcook Gotta love their helpful examples, eh?
05:53 eythian I guess so long as you think of them as bitstrings rather than strings, it's clearer.
06:05 dcook The numbers are pretty neat...
06:11 dcook So 131124 & 32 in binary would be : 100000000000110100 AND 100000. Since the longer number gets truncated down to the same length it would end up being 110100 AND 100000, and since only "1" get 100000 which is 32
06:11 dcook Wild.
06:12 eythian well for an &, it's not necessary to say that anything is truncated.
06:13 eythian 100 == 00100 == 0000000000100
06:13 dcook Hmm, I guess not
06:13 dcook Yeah
06:13 dcook Totes
06:15 * dcook claps
06:15 dcook binary fun
06:18 dcook eythian && others:
06:19 cait @seen khall
06:19 huginn cait: khall was last seen in #koha 3 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <khall> I've never seen those codes. odd
06:20 eythian dcook: heh
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06:59 reiveune hello
07:05 dcook Ah, QueryParser was just borked when there were nulls in the defaultSortOrder and defaultSortField preferences...which should never be empty anyway...
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07:27 gaetan_B hello
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07:28 dcook Huh...I think I have some ideas about how to improve the QueryParser...
07:28 dcook To the point where I might not even need to fix our broken homegrown stuff...
07:29 dcook Still not a great solution though..
07:29 * dcook will have to play tomorrow
07:29 dcook hi French folks!
07:29 * dcook heads off for the night
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07:54 cait Joubu around?
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07:56 Joubu cait: yep
07:56 nlegrand Hey #koha!
07:56 cait i am on sandbox 7
07:56 cait and the ajax circ hangs :(
07:57 cait not sure if it's the sandbox, as it seems very slow right now
07:58 cait hm yep, looks like the sanbox hangs
08:01 Joubu cait: I don't see the patches on the sandbox 7
08:03 cait hm weird
08:03 cait my problem is, the whole installations seems to hang
08:03 cait i can't get to any page right now
08:07 cait Joubu++
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09:14 Racoo Hi, I have biblio and holding duplication problem. How can I solve the problem with the duplication, plase help.
09:46 cait IE--
10:01 Joubu IE--
10:13 cait Joubu: it's really terrible :(
10:14 cait I see totally unreliable behaviour
10:14 cait it's totally confusing and most of the time the display is just wrong
10:15 sophie_m cait : opac or admin ?
10:15 cait admin - but circ doesn't work at all with the new patches
10:16 cait i am torn here, i kow we don't officially support it, but I think totally breaking THE main feature of an ils...
10:16 cait is kind of a big deal
10:16 cait sophie_m: it's about bug 11703
10:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
10:19 cait gmcharlt: ping
10:20 cait hm might be too early and still travelling - bbiab
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11:06 bgkriegel @wunder cordoba, argentina
11:06 huginn bgkriegel: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 7.5°C (8:05 AM ART on July 01, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
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12:02 Racoo Hi, I have biblio and holding duplication problem. How can I solve the problem with the duplication, plase help.
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12:18 oleonard Hi #koha
12:18 cait hi oleonard
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12:43 tcohen morning #koha
12:44 oleonard Hi tcohen
12:45 tcohen hi oleonard
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14:06 oleonard I wonder how libraries use hold notes which have been left by the patron
14:07 cait not sure really
14:07 cait but i think some might use them only internally if the user can't see them right now... so not sure what might be in there
14:08 oleonard I never really tested them before, but yeah: notes can be left by patron or staff but are only seen by staff
14:08 oleonard It might be problematic to suddenly show them to the patron (Bug 12358)
14:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12358 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , patrons can't see hold notes in the opac
14:09 cait oleonard: yeah my thoughts too :(
14:09 cait i had seen the bug earlier
14:09 cait maybe it shoudl be an internal and a patron note... but lots more work
14:10 jcamins oleonard: what, you don't want patrons to see things like "patron very obnoxious, avoid engaging at all costs"?
14:10 cait lol
14:10 cait not sure that woudl go into a hold note
14:11 oleonard jcamins: That's why librarians here have to add to internal notes, "Please don't read this aloud to the patron"
14:11 cait lol
14:12 jcamins lol
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14:23 oleonard I think if a bug has multiple patches then each patch should have a separate test plan. If one can't test the patches separately then they should be squashed.
14:23 cait i think the problem is when the first patches already have sign offs
14:23 Joubu oleonard: not sure
14:24 cait also for the tester easier to see what changed to the previous version he/she tested
14:24 Joubu oleonard: when I develop a feature, I split into small patches for readability
14:24 jcamins oleonard: as an RM, I preferred multiple patches.
14:24 cait i think ther are probably reasons for both approaches
14:25 oleonard Okay, I'm glad to hear the counter-argument. From my perspective as a tester multiple patches don't make things easier.
14:25 cait i think if you start fresh on a patch, that is probably true
14:26 jcamins For a system like Koha, where all the code is spread across many files, multiple patches made it easier to see what was going on with change 1 and change 2.
14:26 cait btw... someone should test a really nice patch from a library!
14:27 cait bug 11577
14:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11577 new feature, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Needs Signoff , [ENH] Automatic renewal feature
14:27 jcamins Even if change 1 is useless without change 2.
14:27 cait no worries... i will not say that all the time now :) i just felt like it because i amgoing through my inbox here
14:32 cait and it's a cool feature ... :)
14:33 cait jcamins: how hard do you think would it be to use part of the analytics feature (showing an item on another record) but make it use a db table for storing the linking instead of something in the MARC record?
14:33 cait I am thinking about a table that has the itemnumber and the biblionumber of the record it should appear on
14:33 cait to be used for bound withs
14:34 jcamins cait: it would be a bit of a nuisance.
14:34 jcamins Well... a ton of a nuisance.
14:34 jcamins But I think it's a good idea.
14:35 cait define nuisanceß
14:35 cait ?
14:35 jcamins cait: oh god, oh god, where's the schnapps?
14:36 jcamins It would be a lot of work, because basically you'd have to add an additional layer in between item and bib.
14:36 cait so hard eh?
14:36 jcamins Yeah.
14:36 cait i was wondering if one coudl modify the bit that cheks for the marc field to show the item
14:37 cait to just... also look in my shiny table
14:37 cait but i gues... that was too optimistic
14:37 cait way too optimistic
14:37 jcamins You mean the EasyAnalytics?
14:37 cait yeah
14:37 jcamins That was never much more than a band-aid.
14:37 cait well...
14:37 jcamins A much-needed band-aid, but a band-aid.
14:38 cait I think for analytics it makes kind of sense to (mis)use the 773
14:38 cait but bound withs are really item specific
14:38 jcamins Oh, 773 is definitely the correct field.
14:38 cait so it shouldn't be in the record
14:39 jcamins It's just the rest of the functionality that was a workaround.
14:39 cait because you can have 1 item that is bound in with another and still have real items for both records where that has not been done
14:39 jcamins Right.
14:39 cait so i think even if easyanalytics worked in combination with usecontrolnumber, which it doesn't... and we wouldn#t overwrite the records .... it wouldn't work
14:40 jcamins Right.
14:40 jcamins We are agreed in that.
14:41 jcamins But I don't think you could just modify EasyAnalytics to handle bound-withs without a lot of work. :(
14:48 cait ok
14:48 cait so start from scratch it would be
14:48 cait ... *sigh*
14:49 cait hm i typoed unusable
14:52 Joubu oleonard: do you plan to submit a patch to remove prog and ccsr themes?
14:53 jcamins cait: as long as you didn't spell it "usable."
14:54 oleonard I am certainly willing to Joubu. I was waiting to hear the discussion at the meeting tomorrow.
14:54 cait unusuable < not much better
14:55 Joubu oleonard: I completely agree with bug 12494, but I cannot pass qa on it without a patch for the dependent bug. It will break ccsr and prog.
14:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12494 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove yuipath system preference
14:56 oleonard Joubu: Of course.
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15:02 oleonard I'm confused about why we have one bug to deprecate prog/ccsr and one to remove them.
15:07 oleonard anyone? :)
15:07 cait no idea
15:07 cait i think deprecate is done :)
15:07 cait we added to the coding guidelines
15:09 oleonard tcohen: Do you have an opinion?
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15:16 Joubu oleonard: yep, not sure to understand. If we remove prog and ccsr theme, there are deprecated...
15:17 tcohen oleonard: deprecating it involves several other tasks
15:17 tcohen it is an omnibus bug
15:17 tcohen don't worry, we will close them all :-D
15:18 cait wb tcohen :)
15:18 tcohen hi
15:20 oleonard tcohen: When is a bug dependent on the deprecate process and when is a bug dependent on the remove process?
15:21 tcohen oleonard: first, I marked one of them as duplicate and it was reverted (so I had the same concern you have)
15:22 tcohen as long as we have all involved tasks covered, I agree with either
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17:16 cait khall++ :)
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18:03 bag good morning
18:08 jburds_ Greetings!
18:08 wahanui and beatings!
18:10 oleonard wahanui: ?
18:10 wahanui wish i knew, oleonard
18:10 oleonard Hi bag
18:10 jburds_ Can someone tell me their average time to check in a book from a barcode scan until they can scan the next barcode?  We are averaging from 2 to 3 seconds normally.
18:11 bag currently somewhere in that range is pretty average for koha
18:13 jburds_ Thanks, we are pretty new to the system and trying to speed it up as much as possible
18:13 bag jburds_: there is development working on getting the staff side ready for plack (we are actually working on bringing a live site up on that within the next week or so)
18:13 jburds_ Nice
18:14 bag also this will help with patrons that have a large number of previous checkouts, fines, holds etc.[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703
18:14 huginn Bug 11703: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
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19:38 cait khall++
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20:50 cait so quiet
21:04 rhcl really
21:07 cait @quote get random
21:07 huginn cait: Error: 'random' is not a valid id.
21:07 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
21:07 rhcl @wunder 64507
21:07 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 29.8°C (4:07 PM CDT on July 01, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
21:07 cait @quote random
21:07 huginn cait: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
21:36 WNickC anyone have a hint at what to poke if zebra rebuild doesn't throw error but no records are returned in search?
21:38 cait did you start your zebra server?
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21:38 cait did you activate opacsuppression but have not one suppressed record?
21:40 WNickC hmm...start zebra, I don't think I did that
21:43 cait it depends on how you installed koha if it's needed
21:43 cait but it can be a reason if it's not running for search not giving results
21:44 WNickC it's a git clone, but didn't seem to fix it
21:45 cait so did you turn on opacsuppression?
21:45 WNickC nope. it is off
21:45 rangi permissions
21:45 wahanui i heard permissions was most likely the problem
21:46 rangi the user you rebuilt as, has to be the same user you run the zebrasrv as
21:46 rangi (and neither of them should be root)
21:47 WNickC yes, avoid root
21:47 WNickC I have learned that one
21:49 WNickC but still no dice, I think I have made other errors though
21:53 WNickC it's a VM, and it's just for testing and playing, isn't be the first and won't be last time I break it
21:53 cait it happens
21:53 cait you tried a rebuild? with -v -v?
21:56 WNickC with -v, just tried -v -v, over my head
21:57 cait you can paste it
21:58 cait maybe thereis something to spot
21:58 cait paste?
21:58 wahanui paste is, like, found at
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22:04 tcohen @later tell cait[…]seKey#Compose_key
22:04 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
22:04 cait i am here
22:04 cait hm?
22:05 pastebot "WNickC" at pasted "Zebra return" (506 lines) at
22:13 cait thx :)
22:13 cait looks like only 4 records were indexed
22:13 cait shoul dit be more or is that ok?
22:14 WNickC nope, just 4
22:14 WNickC not loading more until it works :)
22:15 cait hm not sure sorry
22:15 cait which command did you runẞ
22:16 WNickC -b -a -r -v
22:17 cait hm
22:17 cait and you are sure zebrasrv is running?
22:18 tcohen zebrasrv -f /home/nick/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
22:18 WNickC I am sure of very little :)
22:19 WNickC ah
22:20 WNickC now errors I can understand
22:25 WNickC thanks tcohen
22:25 tcohen np
22:26 tcohen WNickC: you're on a testing environment, right?
22:27 WNickC Yes, learning linux and koha all at once
22:28 tcohen going to develop?
22:28 WNickC yes?, that is the hope
22:28 tcohen awesome
22:28 tcohen good luck
22:29 eythian hi
22:29 WNickC thanks, I think I'll need it
22:31 tcohen hi eythian
22:32 tcohen so, Argentina-Belgium
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22:43 tcohen does anyone know this?
22:43 wahanui rumour has it this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
22:43 tcohen
22:43 tcohen we should add that to our source tree
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22:57 eythian tcohen: that's probably a good idea.
22:57 rangi tcohen: can't hurt
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23:31 dcook Hmm sounds cool, tcohen
23:31 dcook Also Argentina-Belgium :p
23:31 * dcook really needs to watch a game at some point...
23:34 * dcook is taking a look at eythian's ES query builder
23:34 eythian oh good
23:38 dcook Mmm, I was wondering what you were doing with stemming and truncation
23:38 dcook Does ES stem on its own?
23:41 dcook I've been pondering a bit basic search versus advanced search...
23:42 dcook Off the top of my head, advanced search queries should be pretty easy to create if folks just plunk text into the advanced search form fields
23:42 dcook I suppose it's not basic search...but free form...
23:42 dcook versus structured
23:44 eythian dcook: it can, I haven't dealt with it yet though
23:47 dcook eythian: And the right-truncate is for that one advanced search index, yeah?
23:48 dcook Which I can't find now..
23:48 eythian dcook: I don't know what you mean.
23:49 dcook In  "_convert_index_fields",  you change rtrn to 'right-truncate', but that appears to never show up
23:49 dcook Although I thoguht there was one instance where it did in the advanced search..
23:50 eythian dcook: that's used by _modify_string_by_type
23:51 eythian or do you mean about it getting set?
23:51 dcook Right, but I'm saying it should never make it's way into _modify_string_by_type
23:51 eythian I think I saw it somewhere.
23:51 dcook Me too, but now I can't see it :/
23:51 * dcook checks between 3.14 and master
23:52 eythian koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en​/modules/catalogue/
23:52 eythian 144:<option value="ln,rtrn:[% search_languages_loo.iso639_2_code %]" selected="selected">[% search_languages_loo.language_description %]</option>
23:52 eythian 146:<option value="ln,rtrn:[% search_languages_loo.iso639_2_code %]">[% search_languages_loo.language_description %]</option>
23:52 eythian language codes use it
23:52 dcook I'm looking at the OPAC. Maybe it's in the in tranet
23:52 dcook Ah yeah, that's the one
23:52 eythian also the opac
23:53 dcook In the limits
23:53 dcook Righto
23:54 dcook And wrdl gets dropped for default...probably makes sense. Cool.
23:54 * dcook has been wondering about the necessity of "rtrn"
23:54 dcook Versus *
23:54 eythian I end up converting it to *
23:55 dcook Yeah, I saw that
23:55 dcook I'm thinking of testing ZOOM to see if it needs rtrn
23:55 dcook Or if it adds truncation when it detects * or ? during ZOOM::Query::CCL2RPN
23:55 dcook I'm guessing it doesn't need rtrn...
23:56 dcook But going to try it out
23:57 dcook Actually, I'm thinking of doing an audit of search...trying to figure out all the places it gets called
23:57 dcook Because I think most of the time it's just a search box where you can stick anything into it
23:58 dcook We might only use the CCL/Zebra indexes in advanced searches
23:58 dcook Mmm facets too I guess
23:58 eythian yeah, there are probably a lot of places where C4::Search is used directly. These will be an issue.
23:58 dcook If we could use something more universal, that might save everyone some hacking
23:58 eythian But, they can be fixed one by one.
23:59 dcook How do you mean?
23:59 eythian Calling C4::Search directly won't work so well with ES
23:59 dcook What do you mean by calling C4::Search directly?

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