Time Nick Message 23:59 dcook What do you mean by calling C4::Search directly? 23:59 eythian Calling C4::Search directly won't work so well with ES 23:59 dcook How do you mean? 23:58 eythian But, they can be fixed one by one. 23:58 dcook If we could use something more universal, that might save everyone some hacking 23:58 eythian yeah, there are probably a lot of places where C4::Search is used directly. These will be an issue. 23:58 dcook Mmm facets too I guess 23:58 dcook We might only use the CCL/Zebra indexes in advanced searches 23:57 dcook Because I think most of the time it's just a search box where you can stick anything into it 23:57 dcook Actually, I'm thinking of doing an audit of search...trying to figure out all the places it gets called 23:56 dcook But going to try it out 23:55 dcook I'm guessing it doesn't need rtrn... 23:55 dcook Or if it adds truncation when it detects * or ? during ZOOM::Query::CCL2RPN 23:55 dcook I'm thinking of testing ZOOM to see if it needs rtrn 23:55 dcook Yeah, I saw that 23:54 eythian I end up converting it to * 23:54 dcook Versus * 23:54 * dcook has been wondering about the necessity of "rtrn" 23:54 dcook And wrdl gets dropped for default...probably makes sense. Cool. 23:53 dcook Righto 23:53 dcook In the limits 23:52 eythian also the opac 23:52 dcook Ah yeah, that's the one 23:52 dcook I'm looking at the OPAC. Maybe it's in the in tranet 23:52 eythian language codes use it 23:52 eythian 146: <option value="ln,rtrn:[% search_languages_loo.iso639_2_code %]">[% search_languages_loo.language_description %]</option> 23:52 eythian 144: <option value="ln,rtrn:[% search_languages_loo.iso639_2_code %]" selected="selected">[% search_languages_loo.language_description %]</option> 23:52 eythian koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/catalogue/advsearch.tt 23:51 * dcook checks between 3.14 and master 23:51 dcook Me too, but now I can't see it :/ 23:51 eythian I think I saw it somewhere. 23:51 dcook Right, but I'm saying it should never make it's way into _modify_string_by_type 23:51 eythian or do you mean about it getting set? 23:50 eythian dcook: that's used by _modify_string_by_type 23:49 dcook Although I thoguht there was one instance where it did in the advanced search.. 23:49 dcook In "_convert_index_fields", you change rtrn to 'right-truncate', but that appears to never show up 23:48 eythian dcook: I don't know what you mean. 23:48 dcook Which I can't find now.. 23:47 dcook eythian: And the right-truncate is for that one advanced search index, yeah? 23:44 eythian dcook: it can, I haven't dealt with it yet though 23:42 dcook versus structured 23:42 dcook I suppose it's not basic search...but free form... 23:42 dcook Off the top of my head, advanced search queries should be pretty easy to create if folks just plunk text into the advanced search form fields 23:41 dcook I've been pondering a bit basic search versus advanced search... 23:38 dcook Does ES stem on its own? 23:38 dcook Mmm, I was wondering what you were doing with stemming and truncation 23:34 eythian oh good 23:34 * dcook is taking a look at eythian's ES query builder 23:31 * dcook really needs to watch a game at some point... 23:31 dcook Also Argentina-Belgium :p 23:31 dcook Hmm sounds cool, tcohen 22:57 rangi tcohen: can't hurt 22:57 eythian tcohen: that's probably a good idea. 22:43 tcohen we should add that to our source tree 22:43 tcohen http://editorconfig.org/ 22:43 wahanui rumour has it this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius 22:43 tcohen does anyone know this? 22:32 tcohen so, Argentina-Belgium 22:31 tcohen hi eythian 22:29 WNickC thanks, I think I'll need it 22:29 eythian hi 22:28 tcohen good luck 22:28 tcohen awesome 22:28 WNickC yes?, that is the hope 22:28 tcohen going to develop? 22:27 WNickC Yes, learning linux and koha all at once 22:26 tcohen WNickC: you're on a testing environment, right? 22:25 tcohen np 22:25 WNickC thanks tcohen 22:25 cait [off] hopefully gone soon 22:23 tcohen [off] /me thinks SQLHelper looks dangerous inside 22:20 WNickC now errors I can understand 22:19 WNickC ah 22:18 WNickC I am sure of very little :) 22:18 tcohen zebrasrv -f /home/nick/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 22:17 cait and you are sure zebrasrv is running? 22:17 cait hm 22:16 WNickC rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v 22:15 cait which command did you runẞ 22:15 cait hm not sure sorry 22:14 WNickC not loading more until it works :) 22:14 WNickC nope, just 4 22:13 cait shoul dit be more or is that ok? 22:13 cait looks like only 4 records were indexed 22:13 cait thx :) 22:05 pastebot "WNickC" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Zebra return" (506 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/72 22:04 cait hm? 22:04 cait i am here 22:04 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 22:04 tcohen @later tell cait https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey#Compose_key 21:58 wahanui paste is, like, found at http://paste.koha-community.org 21:58 cait paste? 21:58 cait maybe thereis something to spot 21:57 cait you can paste it 21:56 WNickC with -v, just tried -v -v, over my head 21:53 cait you tried a rebuild? with -v -v? 21:53 cait it happens 21:53 WNickC it's a VM, and it's just for testing and playing, isn't be the first and won't be last time I break it 21:49 WNickC but still no dice, I think I have made other errors though 21:47 WNickC I have learned that one 21:47 WNickC yes, avoid root 21:46 rangi (and neither of them should be root) 21:46 rangi the user you rebuilt as, has to be the same user you run the zebrasrv as 21:45 wahanui i heard permissions was most likely the problem 21:45 rangi permissions 21:45 WNickC nope. it is off 21:45 cait so did you turn on opacsuppression? 21:44 WNickC it's a git clone, but didn't seem to fix it 21:43 cait but it can be a reason if it's not running for search not giving results 21:43 cait it depends on how you installed koha if it's needed 21:40 WNickC hmm...start zebra server..no, I don't think I did that 21:38 cait did you activate opacsuppression but have not one suppressed record? 21:38 cait did you start your zebra server? 21:36 WNickC anyone have a hint at what to poke if zebra rebuild doesn't throw error but no records are returned in search? 21:07 huginn cait: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010) 21:07 cait @quote random 21:07 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 29.8°C (4:07 PM CDT on July 01, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 21:07 rhcl @wunder 64507 21:07 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 21:07 huginn cait: Error: 'random' is not a valid id. 21:07 cait @quote get random 21:04 rhcl really 20:50 cait so quiet 19:38 cait khall++ 18:14 huginn 04Bug 11703: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 18:14 bag also this will help with patrons that have a large number of previous checkouts, fines, holds etc. http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 18:13 jburds_ Nice 18:13 bag jburds_: there is development working on getting the staff side ready for plack (we are actually working on bringing a live site up on that within the next week or so) 18:13 jburds_ Thanks, we are pretty new to the system and trying to speed it up as much as possible 18:11 bag currently somewhere in that range is pretty average for koha 18:10 jburds_ Can someone tell me their average time to check in a book from a barcode scan until they can scan the next barcode? We are averaging from 2 to 3 seconds normally. 18:10 oleonard Hi bag 18:10 wahanui wish i knew, oleonard 18:10 oleonard wahanui: ? 18:08 wahanui and beatings! 18:08 jburds_ Greetings! 18:03 bag good morning 17:16 cait khall++ :) 15:40 reiveune bye 15:22 tcohen as long as we have all involved tasks covered, I agree with either 15:21 tcohen oleonard: first, I marked one of them as duplicate and it was reverted (so I had the same concern you have) 15:20 oleonard tcohen: When is a bug dependent on the deprecate process and when is a bug dependent on the remove process? 15:18 tcohen hi 15:18 cait wb tcohen :) 15:17 tcohen don't worry, we will close them all :-D 15:17 tcohen it is an omnibus bug 15:17 tcohen oleonard: deprecating it involves several other tasks 15:16 Joubu oleonard: yep, not sure to understand. If we remove prog and ccsr theme, there are deprecated... 15:09 oleonard tcohen: Do you have an opinion? 15:07 cait we added to the coding guidelines 15:07 cait i think deprecate is done :) 15:07 cait no idea 15:07 oleonard anyone? :) 15:02 oleonard I'm confused about why we have one bug to deprecate prog/ccsr and one to remove them. 14:56 oleonard Joubu: Of course. 14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12494 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove yuipath system preference 14:55 Joubu oleonard: I completely agree with bug 12494, but I cannot pass qa on it without a patch for the dependent bug. It will break ccsr and prog. 14:54 cait unusuable < not much better 14:54 oleonard I am certainly willing to Joubu. I was waiting to hear the discussion at the meeting tomorrow. 14:53 jcamins cait: as long as you didn't spell it "usable." 14:52 Joubu oleonard: do you plan to submit a patch to remove prog and ccsr themes? 14:49 cait hm i typoed unusable 14:48 cait ... *sigh* 14:48 cait so start from scratch it would be 14:48 cait ok 14:41 jcamins But I don't think you could just modify EasyAnalytics to handle bound-withs without a lot of work. :( 14:40 jcamins We are agreed in that. 14:40 jcamins Right. 14:39 cait so i think even if easyanalytics worked in combination with usecontrolnumber, which it doesn't... and we wouldn#t overwrite the records .... it wouldn't work 14:39 jcamins Right. 14:39 cait because you can have 1 item that is bound in with another and still have real items for both records where that has not been done 14:39 jcamins It's just the rest of the functionality that was a workaround. 14:38 cait so it shouldn't be in the record 14:38 jcamins Oh, 773 is definitely the correct field. 14:38 cait but bound withs are really item specific 14:38 cait I think for analytics it makes kind of sense to (mis)use the 773 14:37 jcamins A much-needed band-aid, but a band-aid. 14:37 cait well... 14:37 jcamins That was never much more than a band-aid. 14:37 cait yeah 14:37 jcamins You mean the EasyAnalytics? 14:37 cait way too optimistic 14:37 cait but i gues... that was too optimistic 14:37 cait to just... also look in my shiny table 14:36 cait i was wondering if one coudl modify the bit that cheks for the marc field to show the item 14:36 jcamins Yeah. 14:36 cait so hard eh? 14:36 jcamins It would be a lot of work, because basically you'd have to add an additional layer in between item and bib. 14:35 jcamins cait: oh god, oh god, where's the schnapps? 14:35 cait ? 14:35 cait define nuisanceß 14:34 jcamins But I think it's a good idea. 14:34 jcamins Well... a ton of a nuisance. 14:34 jcamins cait: it would be a bit of a nuisance. 14:33 cait to be used for bound withs 14:33 cait I am thinking about a table that has the itemnumber and the biblionumber of the record it should appear on 14:33 cait jcamins: how hard do you think would it be to use part of the analytics feature (showing an item on another record) but make it use a db table for storing the linking instead of something in the MARC record? 14:32 cait and it's a cool feature ... :) 14:27 cait no worries... i will not say that all the time now :) i just felt like it because i amgoing through my inbox here 14:27 jcamins Even if change 1 is useless without change 2. 14:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11577 new feature, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Needs Signoff , [ENH] Automatic renewal feature 14:27 cait bug 11577 14:26 cait btw... someone should test a really nice patch from a library! 14:26 jcamins For a system like Koha, where all the code is spread across many files, multiple patches made it easier to see what was going on with change 1 and change 2. 14:25 cait i think if you start fresh on a patch, that is probably true 14:25 oleonard Okay, I'm glad to hear the counter-argument. From my perspective as a tester multiple patches don't make things easier. 14:24 cait i think ther are probably reasons for both approaches 14:24 jcamins oleonard: as an RM, I preferred multiple patches. 14:24 Joubu oleonard: when I develop a feature, I split into small patches for readability 14:24 cait also for the tester easier to see what changed to the previous version he/she tested 14:23 Joubu oleonard: not sure 14:23 cait i think the problem is when the first patches already have sign offs 14:23 oleonard I think if a bug has multiple patches then each patch should have a separate test plan. If one can't test the patches separately then they should be squashed. 14:12 jcamins lol 14:11 cait lol 14:11 oleonard jcamins: That's why librarians here have to add to internal notes, "Please don't read this aloud to the patron" 14:10 cait not sure that woudl go into a hold note 14:10 cait lol 14:10 jcamins oleonard: what, you don't want patrons to see things like "patron very obnoxious, avoid engaging at all costs"? 14:09 cait maybe it shoudl be an internal and a patron note... but lots more work 14:09 cait i had seen the bug earlier 14:09 cait oleonard: yeah my thoughts too :( 14:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12358 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , patrons can't see hold notes in the opac 14:08 oleonard It might be problematic to suddenly show them to the patron (Bug 12358) 14:08 oleonard I never really tested them before, but yeah: notes can be left by patron or staff but are only seen by staff 14:07 cait but i think some might use them only internally if the user can't see them right now... so not sure what might be in there 14:07 cait not sure really 14:06 oleonard I wonder how libraries use hold notes which have been left by the patron 12:45 tcohen hi oleonard 12:44 oleonard Hi tcohen 12:43 tcohen morning #koha 12:18 cait hi oleonard 12:18 oleonard Hi #koha 12:02 Racoo Hi, I have biblio and holding duplication problem. How can I solve the problem with the duplication, plase help. 11:06 huginn bgkriegel: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 7.5°C (8:05 AM ART on July 01, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 11:06 bgkriegel @wunder cordoba, argentina 10:20 cait hm might be too early and still travelling - bbiab 10:19 cait gmcharlt: ping 10:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 10:16 cait sophie_m: it's about bug 11703 10:16 cait is kind of a big deal 10:16 cait i am torn here, i kow we don't officially support it, but I think totally breaking THE main feature of an ils... 10:15 cait admin - but circ doesn't work at all with the new patches 10:15 sophie_m cait : opac or admin ? 10:14 cait it's totally confusing and most of the time the display is just wrong 10:14 cait I see totally unreliable behaviour 10:13 cait Joubu: it's really terrible :( 10:01 Joubu IE-- 09:46 cait IE-- 09:14 Racoo Hi, I have biblio and holding duplication problem. How can I solve the problem with the duplication, plase help. 08:07 cait Joubu++ 08:03 cait i can't get to any page right now 08:03 cait my problem is, the whole installations seems to hang 08:03 cait hm weird 08:01 Joubu cait: I don't see the patches on the sandbox 7 07:58 cait hm yep, looks like the sanbox hangs 07:57 cait not sure if it's the sandbox, as it seems very slow right now 07:56 cait and the ajax circ hangs :( 07:56 cait i am on sandbox 7 07:56 nlegrand Hey #koha! 07:56 Joubu cait: yep 07:54 cait Joubu around? 07:29 * dcook heads off for the night 07:29 dcook hi French folks! 07:29 * dcook will have to play tomorrow 07:29 dcook Still not a great solution though.. 07:28 dcook To the point where I might not even need to fix our broken homegrown stuff... 07:28 dcook Huh...I think I have some ideas about how to improve the QueryParser... 07:27 gaetan_B hello 07:05 dcook Ah, QueryParser was just borked when there were nulls in the defaultSortOrder and defaultSortField preferences...which should never be empty anyway... 06:59 reiveune hello 06:20 eythian dcook: heh 06:19 huginn cait: khall was last seen in #koha 3 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <khall> I've never seen those codes. odd 06:19 cait @seen khall 06:18 dcook eythian && others: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/35 06:15 dcook binary fun 06:15 * dcook claps 06:13 dcook Totes 06:13 dcook Yeah 06:13 dcook Hmm, I guess not 06:13 eythian 100 == 00100 == 0000000000100 06:12 eythian well for an &, it's not necessary to say that anything is truncated. 06:11 dcook Wild. 06:11 dcook So 131124 & 32 in binary would be : 100000000000110100 AND 100000. Since the longer number gets truncated down to the same length it would end up being 110100 AND 100000, and since only "1" matches...you get 100000 which is 32 06:05 dcook The numbers are pretty neat... 05:53 eythian I guess so long as you think of them as bitstrings rather than strings, it's clearer. 05:52 dcook Gotta love their helpful examples, eh? 05:52 eythian Probably useful in some obscure cases. 05:52 eythian though, I didn't actually know about the string versions of the operators. That seems to be too much like magic for my tastes. 05:51 dcook So this helped visualize it for me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwise_operation#AND 05:51 dcook :) 05:51 eythian yeah :) 05:51 dcook "If an operand is a number, that will imply a numeric bitwise operation" 05:51 dcook Ahh, I think I see what you're saying 05:50 dcook http://perldoc.perl.org/perlop.html#Bitwise-String-Operators 05:50 eythian they're number operators 05:50 eythian <dcook> I so do not get bitwise string operators... 05:50 dcook So & does the operation on the numbers in binary 05:50 dcook code * 05:50 dcook The quotation marks are just to denote the code bit 05:49 dcook Hmm? 05:49 eythian it's not a string there, it's a number 05:49 dcook The bitwise operand & does a bitwise 'AND' operation 05:48 dcook 2**$bit will calculate 2 raised to the power of $bit 05:48 dcook Koha's Auth.pm relies upon the following logic to set the base permissions for users: "( $flags & ( 2**$bit ) )" 05:47 cait dcook: hm? 05:42 dcook Oh...I think I might actually understand now.. 05:40 cait aleisha++ 05:40 cait thx for your help! 05:40 cait :) 05:40 aleisha well I can sign off on that patch now so thanks for your help! 05:38 dcook Oh wait...maybe I'm just missing the last step.. 05:38 dcook I so do not get bitwise string operators... 05:37 cait but i have no idea how to improve it :( 05:36 aleisha ohhh i see thank you! 05:36 cait ... every of our libraries asks that at least once 05:36 cait then the counter will go up as the item is added 05:36 cait you have to click the little add item button a bit above 05:36 cait oh yes 05:36 aleisha thanks cait that helps heaps but i'm not able to change the quantity when im adding an order to the basket? 05:33 cait lol 05:30 eythian http://www.theonion.com/video/ninja-parade-slips-through-town-unnoticed-once-aga,14181/ 05:28 cait hope what I said is understandable :) i am still waking up :) 05:27 cait and then it should have close basket in the top toolbar 05:27 cait so basically you create you choose a vendor... create a basket... order something and don't check the uncertain checkbox 05:26 cait you will have to dealwith those first in case and then you can close it 05:25 cait it will only appear when you don't have uncertain prices 05:25 cait but beware 05:25 cait there is a button on top of he basket 05:24 aleisha cait: how do you close a basket? 05:23 cait and then new basket group - and drag and drop the closed baskets into it 05:23 cait anothe option is going to he vendor of your basket 05:23 rangi cool 05:22 cait that will create a basket group with the name ofyour basket automatically and shuld take you there 05:22 cait one thing you can do is check the little check box in the yellow alert htat appeart when closing a basket 05:22 cait there are different ways 05:22 rangi cait: how do you add baskets to a basketgroup? 05:13 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggGLFCi1R64 05:03 eythian heh 05:03 cait wish etc. 05:02 cait morning 05:00 eythian go etc. 05:00 eythian hi cait 04:50 rangi sweet! 04:50 aleisha rangi: managed to sign off on 12386 (once I worked out how to test it) so I'll do 12429 now! 04:44 dcook Borked for the "Search the catalog" at the top. Not the advanced search. 04:43 dcook I thought I had it working recently... 04:43 dcook Is it just me or is QueryParser royally borked in the intranet? 04:10 huginn 04Bug 12494: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Remove yuipath system preference 04:10 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12494 too 04:08 huginn 04Bug 12429: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , patron seeing fines codes 04:08 rangi also http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12429 04:06 huginn 04Bug 12386: trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , 'Days in advance' pull down in bootstrap OPAC is huge 04:06 rangi aleisha: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12386 03:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11357 - biblioitems.size value not correctly displayed in list emails sent from... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d77304c98e9b4c839b3bcf19e1453a7e6ec8aaa> 03:29 dcook On the plus side, I have a better idea of what C looks like now.. 03:21 wahanui indexdata git is, like, http://git.indexdata.com/ 03:21 dcook indexdata git? 03:21 dcook Indexdata Git is http://git.indexdata.com/ 03:19 dcook It's not too interesting 03:19 dcook hehe 03:18 eythian nooooooope. 03:17 dcook For anyone who is a bit masochistic and wants to see how Net::Z3950::ZOOM calls the ZOOM-C API... http://git.indexdata.com/?p=ZOOM-Perl.git;a=tree 03:15 dcook Err, http://zoom.z3950.org/api/zoom-current.html#3.3.1 more specifically... 03:14 dcook Because no one would ever want to analyze the query that they've transformed before sending it to the server... 03:14 dcook Yeah, really helpful, guys... 03:14 dcook http://zoom.z3950.org/api/zoom-current.html#3.3 02:11 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:11 eythian wahanui: bots is <reply>http://youtu.be/B1BdQcJ2ZYY 02:10 wahanui eythian: no idea 02:10 eythian wahanui: are you a bot? 01:14 dcook I think I might have to run out and get some laksa soon 01:14 dcook Mmm 01:13 eythian I have Vietnamese chicken curry now 01:07 dcook Badde Manors is pretty tasty though 01:07 dcook Alas, too much walking 01:07 dcook lol 01:06 dcook hehe 01:06 eythian only, spelt right. 01:06 eythian I might have Vietnamise. 01:05 eythian ooh 01:05 eythian http://www.wherethefuckshouldigotoeat.com/ <-- this is useful for that 01:04 * dcook needs a lunch henchman 01:04 dcook Yeah, I forgot my lunch at home. Sick though so don't feel like finding it. 01:04 eythian Maybe a quesidea. 01:03 eythian but I don't know what I want. 01:03 eythian I should find some lunch 01:00 dcook Cool that Grant is one of you folks 01:00 dcook Hmm weird 00:59 eythian the moose rdeps one works for me 00:59 eythian dcook: one of the folks here made that. 00:57 dcook Couldn't get this one to work as it kept timing out: http://mapofcpan.org/#/distro/Moose/rdeps 00:57 dcook http://mapofcpan.org/#/distro/Moose/deps 00:57 dcook This is kind of cool: http://mapofcpan.org/#/ 00:18 dcook Alarm in the phone, so one way or another I should be there tomorrow morning 00:18 dcook All good now though :D 00:17 dcook Or I just haven't used it in so long that I forget how to do it :p 00:17 dcook Yeah, I figured it out eventually. Looks like the app might've changed a bit since I used it last. 00:16 eythian dcook: yeah, you might be able to tell the IRC client to auto log you in to nickserv 00:10 dcook Perfect 00:05 dac Developer meeting tomorrow morning, yeah? 00:04 dcook Man trying to identify to Nickserv only using your thumbs is not fun.. 00:01 eythian they're great for that 00:00 dcook Also better for webcomic reading :D 00:00 dcook I think my friends are a bit crazy for getting me one, but I've been thinking about buying a tablet for a while if only to catch up on email on transit..