IRC log for #koha, 2013-09-05

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00:04 dcook We can hope so :)
00:04 dcook I hope that you manage to get some clients to take a look as well
00:04 dcook The more eyes the better, me thinks
00:05 pianohacker yup :) Code is at if you want to take a look
00:06 pianohacker modifications to the pazpar2 setup are needed to get it working, but it is doable :)
00:08 dcook Ah, I'm not much of a coding whiz myself. I've just worked in libraries for a while and get feedback here and there from clients using Koha.
00:08 dcook Although...
00:08 wahanui i heard although was mine 2.3.2 or 2.3.3
00:09 dcook I suppose a person could clone your git and run it through the Koha dev install?
00:09 pianohacker dcook: Yup
00:10 pianohacker mucking with pazpar2 is required to get the search working, but everything else should work
00:10 dcook Ah, I think I follow you now
00:11 dcook Perhaps a bit outside my reach for the moment then :p
00:11 dcook Although I do have that one VM...perhaps I'll focus on the OAI-PMH harvester for now
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00:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
00:13 dcook hey mtompset
00:13 wahanui rumour has it mtompset is disliking finding bugs while testing
00:13 mtompset jcamins: It seems you were right. No need for the plug in settings.
00:13 mtompset I'll going to reboot and check to make sure.
00:13 mtompset ^ll^m^
00:14 mtompset Greetings, dcook.
00:44 tcohen bye #koha
01:32 mtompset Yep. No need for the plugins settings. Interesting.
01:32 jcamins Why would you have thought that they were required?
01:32 mtompset The word plugins.
01:33 jcamins Ah.
01:35 mtompset Well, off to fortify myself with caffeine and then actually create a test plan for this.
01:41 jcamins Wow. The early Doctor Who is extraordinarily cheesy, isn't it?
01:42 pianohacker yup
01:42 dcook I've never watched it myself, but I've heard of this cheesy reputation, yep.
01:46 mtompset which Doctor?
01:46 eythian jcamins: it's quite funny how the moment anything happens, the female characters immediately go into hysterics.
01:46 jcamins The first, I think.
01:47 eythian Old crotchety man? That'd be Hartnell.
01:47 mtompset old guy, black and white, william hartnell?
01:47 jcamins Maybe.
01:47 mtompset jon pertwee was three...
01:47 mtompset who was two again?
01:48 mtompset[…]/features/doctors (which one, jcamins?)
01:49 jcamins Yep. First Doctor.
01:49 wizzyrea omg, I was watching some 7th doctor... his first companion was the shriekiest thing I'd ever heard.
01:50 wizzyrea I almost stopped watching it.
01:50 wizzyrea Mel I think
01:51 wizzyrea it's all pretty cheesy up until 2005 ;)
01:51 wizzyrea don't get me started on the 8th doctor.
01:51 mtompset peri?!
01:51 mtompset I had a serious crush on her when I was a teenager.
01:52 jcamins Ian is currently dressed up as a the Ja'fa from Stargate.
01:53 mtompset Mel?
01:53 mtompset I didn't like Mel.
01:53 eythian wizzyrea: the 8th one doesn't count I think
01:53 mtompset Ace... now there's a companion... she liked to blow things up.
01:54 wizzyrea ace was cool.
01:54 gmcharlt who else could manage to take out a Dalek with a baseball bat? :)
01:55 wizzyrea ^ so much this
01:58 jcamins The next episode is the Warriors of DEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTHHHHHHHHH.
01:58 jcamins We decided it's too cheesy.
01:59 wizzyrea starting at series 1 episode 1 might be a bit extreme for the modern viewer.
01:59 jcamins Yeah.
02:00 wizzyrea but starting with 9th doctor will get you into it... then you can go back and appreciate the cheesiness.
02:00 dcook hehe
02:00 * wizzyrea was exposed to the cheese at a relatively early age, so is less bothered by it
02:03 dcook mmm cheese
02:18 pianohacker okay, I should probably knock off for the day, but I need to know
02:18 pianohacker Is the configuration of the fields in the 008 field determined by the material type field in the leader?
02:18 jcamins Yes.
02:18 jcamins Wasn't that just on the list?
02:19 pianohacker I think so. Wanted to confirm before I did the work to make that happen, though :)
02:19 pianohacker Thanks
02:19 dcook pianohacker++
02:20 pianohacker Whoever thought it would be a good idea to mix encoding and semantic information in the leader, make the 008 have 7 different layouts depending on a completely different field...
02:20 pianohacker that person should be shot. repeatedly.
02:20 pianohacker but then we'd just go on to shooting everyone responsible for MARC
02:21 pianohacker and as SATISFYING as that would be
02:21 pianohacker it would be much harder to hide that many bodies
02:26 jcamins pianohacker: yeah, it's a problem.
02:26 pianohacker jcamins: but then I preach to the choir ;)
02:28 pianohacker jcamins: [off] ahahahahaha, well, only as many as were necessary at the time, I'm sure
02:29 * eythian notes that that is not how [off] works.
02:30 eythian[…]3-09-05#i_1378451
02:30 pianohacker dammit
02:30 pianohacker but thanks, eythian :)
02:34 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]we-need-more-marc < pianohacker
02:34 pianohacker yes...
02:34 pianohacker I know someone will probably want to extend this editor to support RDA
02:34 pianohacker and that frightens me
02:35 jcamins pianohacker: RDA is supported by virtue of RDA being just MARC.
02:35 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]the-marc-standard
02:35 wizzyrea also this
02:36 pianohacker jcamins: True, though there would likely need to be some additions and work to support the new coded fields, from what I can tell
02:36 wizzyrea and probably this, for good measure http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]to-implementing-a
02:36 dcook pianohhacker: That seems odd
02:36 wizzyrea if people would tell us what to do with the newly coded fields, we would do that.
02:36 dcook As far as I can tell, there have just been modifications to existing fields and added fields
02:37 dcook What do you refer to when you say "new coded field"?
02:37 wizzyrea probably the 3xx ones? the medium/carrier/otheroneican'tremember
02:37 * wizzyrea might be wrong on the number
02:39 jcamins There are no new fixed fields.
02:39 dcook ^^
02:40 * dcook is wondering why he didn't use "BatchStageMarcRecords" in this harvesting script...
02:41 pianohacker this was the main thing that looked like it would add complication:[…]t/rdacontent.html
02:45 jcamins I don't see why you wouldn't just make it an authorized value.
02:46 wizzyrea yes it seems to me that having that as a human enterable value is counter to the purpose of the field.
02:47 wizzyrea and you're right, it's not a fixed field.
02:47 wizzyrea but it's a field with decently fixed values, if you're doing it properly.
02:47 wizzyrea so I think we were just coming up against the same words with different interpretations.
02:48 jcamins I don't think so.
02:48 jcamins Fixed fields are a problem for a cataloging editor.
02:48 jcamins Variable fields with a defined set of values are not.
02:49 dcook ^^
02:49 wizzyrea whatever, I think we can agree that "tactile notated movement" sounds like a veiled description for poop.
02:49 wizzyrea poop with annotations.
02:49 jcamins We already have complete support for 336.
02:50 jcamins Define an RDACONTENT authorized value category. Link to 336$b. Done.
02:50 wizzyrea yes I know.
02:50 wizzyrea should we ship that by default?
02:50 dcook Probably wouldn't hurt
02:50 wizzyrea considering we don't want to ship a default RDA framework, I guess not.
02:51 dcook Ah, but we are shipping a default RDA framework
02:51 wizzyrea no we're not?
02:51 jcamins Yeah, but our default frameworks are so out-of-date I'm not sure it matters.
02:51 dcook RDA itself is not MARC
02:51 wizzyrea there's no RDA framework in koha by default.
02:51 dcook jcamins: Not the newest ones
02:51 wizzyrea as evidenced by people still needing to get it from the wiki.
02:51 dcook 3.14 should have up-to-date MARC frameworks by default
02:52 dcook I suppose it depends on how we define ship
02:52 jcamins dcook: Oh, yeah. That's right.
02:52 jcamins I forgot about pushing it.
02:52 wizzyrea yea, I mean, when you install koha, there is no RDA framework.
02:52 jcamins It's a year out of date.
02:52 dcook Either mtj or bgkriegel brought it up to the Update 16 from April 2013, I believe
02:52 jcamins bgkriegel.
02:52 wahanui i think bgkriegel is on a signoff spree
02:53 dcook wizzyrea: Sort of
02:53 dcook Like I was saying, RDA isn't MARC
02:53 jcamins You don't actually need an RDA framework. Just a framework that isn't out of date.
02:53 dcook MARC did add fields to accomodate RDA though
02:53 dcook Yeah, what he said :p
02:54 pianohacker Okay, now that I've beat my head against MARC all day
02:55 pianohacker I'm out of here
02:55 wizzyrea yea probably best.
02:55 pianohacker Good night all :)
02:55 dcook night pianohacker
02:55 dcook Looking forward to your continued efforts :)
02:55 pianohacker thanks dcook
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04:06 * dcook will babble in channel then :p
04:10 dcook Better to encase both timestamp and "from" argument in date() functions
04:11 dcook Or...remove the date() function and remove the T and Z characters from the "from" argument...
04:11 dcook Probably the latter...
04:15 dcook Blearghh
04:19 dcook We're not really using UTC datestamps in the OAI-PMH server...
04:19 dcook But changing that now would be problematic for anyone using it currently...
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04:38 dcook On the other hand...if you're only passed a date...
04:38 dcook it might make sense to compare only a date..
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05:06 cait good morning #koha
05:06 dcook morning cait
05:09 cait morning dcook
05:18 mtompset I really need to stop lurking. ;)
05:19 dcook I should eat lunch earlier :P
05:19 mtompset Greetings, cait dcook wizzyrea.
05:19 dcook @wunder toronto, canada
05:19 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is 16.0°C (1:00 AM EDT on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
05:19 mtompset Yes, it's crazy early.
05:19 dcook Nah, crazy early might be...
05:19 dcook @wunder konstanz
05:19 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.1°C (7:15 AM CEST on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
05:19 dcook Actually, that's not too bad
05:20 mtompset Actually, that's ... exactly.
05:22 dcook Sometimes, I want to write commit messages that say "take my word for it" :p
05:22 dcook Oh well. Long (hopefully comprehensive) messages are what I do..
05:22 cait @wunder Lippstadt
05:22 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Geseke, Germany is 16.1°C (7:22 AM CEST on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
05:23 dcook Lippstadt?
05:23 cait doing training today
05:26 dcook Fun fun
05:33 cait i hope it will be :)
05:36 dcook \o/
05:39 * dcook tries to remember what he was originally doing before he found a somewhat unrelated bug
05:39 dcook Lunch perhaps...
05:41 dcook om nom nom
05:41 * dcook suddenly remembers rangi mentioning Casey...Sea Farer II...English channel swimming
05:43 dcook isn't too encouraging
05:45 dcook twitter++
05:45 dcook 9.14 hours
05:46 dcook About 3.6 km/hr
05:48 dcook Maybe swimming from Gibraltar to Morocco is more intimidating than I thought...
06:13 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
06:20 dcook Ahhhhhh
06:21 dcook I finally understand "match_check" vs "match_point"
06:21 dcook Wait, no I don't
06:21 dcook Wait, yes I do
06:22 dcook Match Point compares two fields with identical fields/subfields
06:22 dcook But Match Check can be used to compare two different field/subfield pairs against each other
06:22 dcook So 999$c against 001 or 995$c or something
06:22 dcook Neat
06:22 * dcook wonders if it actually wroks
06:22 dcook works even
06:25 dcook Sweet match_check uses match_points. Less searching for me..
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06:46 * magnuse waves
06:47 magnuse qateam++
06:48 * dcook waves to magnuse
06:49 * magnuse waves to dcook, specifically
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06:51 reiveune hello
06:52 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:54 reiveune salut magnuse rangi dcook
06:56 dcook bonjour reiveune :)
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07:07 dcook Oh snap. Time to hurry home. No staying late today.
07:07 dcook Au revoir and good night :)
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07:21 samueld hi everybody
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08:17 rangi evening
08:21 magnuse morning
08:21 magnuse :-)
08:22 rangi magnuse:
08:22 rangi go right one slide
08:25 rangi done with
08:27 magnuse yay!!
08:27 magnuse rangi: is that a talk you are giving, or are you just practising?
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08:28 rangi brief lightning talk tomorrow
08:28 rangi at
08:28 drojf good morning #koha
08:28 magnuse moin drojf
08:28 rangi[…]chnology_Workshop
08:28 rangi hi drojf
08:29 magnuse rangi++
08:29 mtj hey rangi, lookin' good!
08:30 drojf ho magnuse and rangi
08:30 mtj the site is pretty cool
08:32 magnuse rangi: seen ?
08:32 wahanui I haven't seen '', magnuse
08:32 magnuse well, i wasn't talking to you, wahanui
08:32 wahanui magnuse: sorry...
08:32 rangi yeah i think im using it
08:32 magnuse it's ok wahanui
08:32 magnuse rangi: cool
08:33 rangi yep i am
08:34 magnuse ah yes[…]t/Koha_MARC2RDF.t
08:34 rangi handy
08:37 magnuse looks like it
08:37 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that?
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08:43 Viktor I can now confirm that magnuse is just as nice to meet in person as one might suspect :)
08:44 magnuse yay! and i can confirm exactly the same thing about Viktor, if there was any doubt ;-)
08:44 Viktor :)
08:45 Viktor And magnuse++ for two days of great workshoping
08:46 rangi ive met both of you in person, so i can vouch that it is true
08:46 drojf koha web of niceness trust
08:46 magnuse and Viktor++ for tirelessly working to bring koha to swedish libraries
08:47 magnuse drojf: :-)
08:47 drojf i know rangi is nice, so i can trust him about you two ;)
08:49 rangi drojf: you met Viktor in edinburgh im pretty sure?
08:50 drojf no, i did not. or at least i did not know who he is. i only heard later that he has been there
08:51 rangi ahh
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08:53 Viktor :)
08:53 magnuse where's that group picture again?
08:53 magnuse kohacon12
08:53 wahanui hmmm... kohacon12 is[…]ategory:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June
08:54 Viktor I had to run for the bus so I missed the picture.
08:54 magnuse kohacon12attendees is
08:54 magnuse Viktor: ahh
08:55 Viktor But a quick google of images for "Viktor Sarge" should give a few correct results even if it's hard to tell when different people are served diferent results based on prior searches..
08:57 Viktor But at least I recognize a whole bunch of nice people from the Edinburgh conference :)
09:00 magnuse hm, there are way too many people in that picture i have not met - i *need* to go to reno... ;-)
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09:57 * magnuse is thrilled to see the beginnings of
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12:27 oleonard Hi #koha
12:28 drojf hm. resending your initial question an hour after my reply to the first mail is not really a motivation to answer again.
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12:30 drojf hi oleonard
12:32 tcohen morning #koha
12:32 drojf hi tcohen
12:32 tcohen hi drojf
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12:58 druthb o/
13:16 oleonard tcohen: You asked if I was going to substitute alerts for bootstrap modals, and the answer is that I don't have a plan to do so. I think it would not necessarily be an easy switch, depending on the situation.
13:29 oleonard When importing MARC records, can you match on ISBN but only add items? That is, don't replace the existing MARC record?
13:30 jcamins Yes. Choose to keep existing records and add items.
13:33 oleonard "Replace existing record with incoming record,"  "Add incoming record," or "Ignore incoming record (its items may still be processed)"
13:34 jcamins Ignore incoming record.
13:37 oleonard Hm... that wasn't working for me when I tested it. I'll have to try it again.
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13:50 oleonard I must have done something wrong before. It worked this time. Thanks jcamins
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14:58 druthb @quote random
14:58 huginn` druthb: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011)
15:03 * oleonard remembers that time... We all saved seneca from being crushed by the Daily Planet planet after it toppled from atop the Daily Planet building.
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15:15 oleonard Hi cait
15:16 cait hi oleonard :)
15:16 druthb cait!
15:16 wahanui cait! are you well? still home?
15:16 cait druthb!
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15:25 reiveune bye
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15:28 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10539: Followup for removing KohaTest unit tests <[…]f61160e8ce247aefa> / Bug 10539: Remove unused unit tests in lib/KohaTest <[…]e4146157da3b8aeb5>
15:38 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10737: (follow-up) make the new 'Closed' column sortable <[…]c88033d571ed6d1c6> / Bug 10737: Add "Add to basket" link on vendor search results page <[…]3629b4733955fd3b7>
15:48 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10649 - Upgrade DataTables and move scripts out of theme directory <[…]af8eb0b991b8636a7>
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15:54 tcohen hi oleonard
15:54 tcohen understood
15:56 oleonard Suggested replacement for the author/subject pop-up menus in the new Bootstrap OPAC:
15:56 oleonard jcamins: ^^
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15:57 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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16:13 druthb Hi, mtompset!  :)
16:13 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
16:13 * druthb wriggles happily.
16:14 mtompset Or should I say SkittlesBot?
16:14 * druthb laughs evilly.
16:14 mtompset An evil robot that is in love... What a strange mixture. :P
16:14 druthb :P
16:15 druthb speaking of evil, our Code Monkeys team is having a raucous debate in the nearby conference room.  Rowdy bunch of geeks.
16:16 mtompset (Code Monkey)
16:17 druthb Ah, Johnathan Coulton.
16:19 mtompset But seriously?! Tab? :P
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16:35 mtompset Greetings, nengard. :)
16:35 nengard hiya
16:35 mtompset Enjoy lunch! :)
16:41 oleonard mtompset: Code Monkey likes Tab because when he takes one off the shelf he has the satisfaction of converting a Tab to a space.
16:42 * mtompset grins, "Code monkey like!"
16:43 mtompset oleonard++ # good explanation of code monkey. :)
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17:23 * cait waves
17:24 jcamins oleonard: looks good to me!
17:25 oleonard Well then that's good enough reason to push it for testing.
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17:29 mtompset 698MB?! Wow. Git is growing.
17:30 jcamins mtompset: that's the download size? Yikes!
17:31 mtompset Yep, just cloned a fresh one.
17:32 mtompset Greetings, cait jcamins. :)
17:32 mtompset Greetings, hankbank.
17:33 hankbank greetings earthlings
17:33 * jcamins resists the urge to ask why on earth you just cloned a new repo.
17:35 * jcamins has low resistance, apparently.
17:35 jcamins mtompset: you do know that you can clone a repo with cp -R or rsync, right?
17:36 jcamins Or even git clone /my/old/repo/.git /my/new/repo
17:37 mtompset Just doing it as it is a new install. Don't want anything dangling.
17:39 mtompset So, you are saying a .git dir in any one of my repos could be git cloned into something that would be identical to a git clone from
17:40 jcamins If you use cp -R or rsync, yes.
17:40 jcamins If you use git clone /my/old/repo/.git, you'd need to change the "origin" remote to point to
17:41 mtompset but that's just a config edit.
17:41 jcamins Yes.
17:43 jcamins I have cloned 2-3 times in recent memory. Once to get a repo at home, a few years ago. Once to set up a development repo on my development server. And I may have cloned my release management repo, but I'm not sure of that.
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18:22 tcohen mtompset: the only relevant thing tp copy is the .git dir itself
18:22 tcohen (if you want it quicker heh)
18:22 jcamins tcohen: true.
18:22 mtompset That's what I understood jcamins to say, tcohen.
18:23 * tcohen is just redundant
18:24 mtompset not a problem.
18:25 mtompset Dumb question... looking at the OPAC interface. Why are the news items suddenly not visible if you log in?
18:26 oleonard-away I don't find that to be the case in the prog template mtompset
18:27 mtompset Are you sure, oleonard? Because my screen says otherwise. Let me test on my fresh git install.
18:29 oleonard Logged in, not logged in, I see news either way. prog and ccsr
18:31 tcohen bye #koha
18:31 mtompset okay... here's the problem...
18:31 mtompset
18:31 mtompset It goes to when you log in.
18:32 oleonard Yes it does :)
18:32 mtompset If you click the koha logo, then you see the news again.
18:33 oleonard Yes, because news is displayed on the OPAC home page
18:34 mtompset Okay... but OPACNav is still visible on the page.
18:34 mtompset Where would you put library hours?
18:34 jcamins Footer?
18:35 mtompset opaccredits?
18:35 jcamins I would. Unless you want to put them in the header.
18:37 mtompset Patrons are assigned a branch. It would be nice to know the library hours once you log in.
18:38 mtompset Is there such a functionality in Koha? Or is this a patch idea waiting to happen?
18:39 mtompset well, library hours, or branch specific announcements.
18:49 oleonard There could be if you used the multi-OPAC setup... Not sure if that still works?
18:55 cait @wunder Lippstadt
18:55 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Geseke, Germany is 24.6°C (8:52 PM CEST on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
18:55 druthb @wunder 77098
18:55 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 33.9°C (1:55 PM CDT on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
19:04 oleonard @wunder 45701
19:04 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 26.4°C (3:01 PM EDT on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
19:05 * oleonard wonders what "Whitlind Woods" is...
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19:25 oleonard Huh... I wouldn't have thought it would be valid to omit the "type" attribute of an <input>. I guess it defaults to "text"
19:30 cait html5?
19:30 jcamins @later tell drojf I have a project for you for after the GPG stuff: implement homomorphic encryption for circulation history so that people can choose to save their circ histories but not allowing the library access to that information.
19:30 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
19:34 cait jcamins: interesting :)
19:35 cait jcamins: you know he will never finish writing his thesis that way? ;)
19:35 jcamins cait: new thesis topic!
19:35 jcamins :D
19:35 cait not sure that would work :)
19:47 jcamins cait++ # for good advice on maple-bacon potatoes
19:47 cait lol
19:47 cait yv
19:47 cait yw
19:49 druthb cait++
19:54 oleonard cait has been channeling her inner Canadian?
19:55 jcamins oleonard: I suddenly came over all peckish and in the mood for something maple-y.
19:55 jcamins So I asked cait how to make maple potatoes, and she told me. :)
19:55 mtompset multi-OPAC setup, oleonard?
19:55 * cait is surprised herself
19:57 oleonard mtompset:[…]rfaces_by_URL_RFC
19:57 oleonard mtompset: I'm not sure if there's better information around, or whether that has been tested recently
19:58 mtompset Hmmm... we'd prefer one URL (easy to disseminate), and use branch code to distinguish post log in.
19:59 oleonard mtompset: Sounds like you've got a new development on your list
20:25 drnoe hello #koha.  regarding hard due dates:  How would Koha know from the data in issues that a due date is a hard due date and if it's before, on, or after???  I am missing something here.
20:26 cait it does know from the circulation rules
20:26 cait the hard due dates are calculated from the circulation rules on checkout - then it doesn't have to know later if it's a hard one or not, just a due date
20:27 oleonard Quitting time for me. Bye #koha
20:27 cait before means = it calculates the regular circulation period - but the due_date must be before the hard due date entered in circulation rules, so the loan period might be shortened
20:27 drnoe so a due date is a due date.  so I am not missing anything there
20:28 cait after means the due date minimum is that date, but it will also be after, if you have longer periods
20:28 cait and then it can be super hard.. being exactly the date
20:28 cait i don't think you do - but i might not be understanding correctly what you are looking for
20:30 drnoe overdue items with a hard due date set are not changing upon renewal (apparently)
20:31 drnoe due date is not updating that is
20:35 cait what is the setting?
20:35 cait before, after or hard?
20:36 cait what's the date due for the item and waht does the circulation rule say?
20:36 drnoe yeah, those were edited/deleted.  nice for trouble shooting, eh?
20:36 drnoe this is going to be a wild goose chase
20:37 cait if the circulation rule was deleted
20:37 cait they should renew normally i think
20:37 cait are you sure the problem is related to the hard due date setting?
20:37 cait is there a rnewal period configured in the circulation rules?
20:37 cait is the renewal calculated from today or from the date due (that can lead to see no change, if it's calculated from today)
20:39 drnoe again, hard to know since it was all changed.  gonna push this one back with "need to know what the circulation rule was."  thanks cait
20:39 cait drnoe: it should not matter
20:39 cait only the current circulation rule
20:39 cait koha can't care about something it does no longer know about :)
20:40 cait you want to check the renewal period setting in the circulation rule and the renewal related settings in the system preferences
20:40 drnoe they have changed this stuff patron categories and all the circ rules, so it is no longer happening...
20:41 drnoe again, a bit hard to troubleshoot when it's not longer possible to replicate
20:48 cait ah ok
20:48 cait yeah
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21:57 eythian hi
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23:33 dcook morning #koha
23:33 dcook Loving the #libtechdream tweets from wizzyrea and rangi
23:36 eythian yeah, they're workshopping while I'm holding down the fort
23:37 dcook Teamwork!
23:38 dcook That's neat. They're running the workshop?
23:38 dcook Wait...libtechdream is a conference?
23:38 dcook I just saw them on twitter this morning so I'm totally unaware about the whole thing
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23:46 eythian no, it's a workshop

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