Time Nick Message 00:04 dcook We can hope so :) 00:04 dcook I hope that you manage to get some clients to take a look as well 00:04 dcook The more eyes the better, me thinks 00:05 pianohacker yup :) Code is at https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/tree/pci if you want to take a look 00:06 pianohacker modifications to the pazpar2 setup are needed to get it working, but it is doable :) 00:08 dcook Ah, I'm not much of a coding whiz myself. I've just worked in libraries for a while and get feedback here and there from clients using Koha. 00:08 dcook Although... 00:08 wahanui i heard although was mine 2.3.2 or 2.3.3 00:09 dcook I suppose a person could clone your git and run it through the Koha dev install? 00:09 pianohacker dcook: Yup 00:10 pianohacker mucking with pazpar2 is required to get the search working, but everything else should work 00:10 dcook Ah, I think I follow you now 00:11 dcook Perhaps a bit outside my reach for the moment then :p 00:11 dcook Although I do have that one VM...perhaps I'll focus on the OAI-PMH harvester for now 00:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 00:13 dcook hey mtompset 00:13 wahanui rumour has it mtompset is disliking finding bugs while testing 00:13 mtompset jcamins: It seems you were right. No need for the plug in settings. 00:13 mtompset I'll going to reboot and check to make sure. 00:13 mtompset ^ll^m^ 00:14 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 00:44 tcohen bye #koha 01:32 mtompset Yep. No need for the plugins settings. Interesting. 01:32 jcamins Why would you have thought that they were required? 01:32 mtompset The word plugins. 01:33 jcamins Ah. 01:35 mtompset Well, off to fortify myself with caffeine and then actually create a test plan for this. 01:41 jcamins Wow. The early Doctor Who is extraordinarily cheesy, isn't it? 01:42 pianohacker yup 01:42 dcook I've never watched it myself, but I've heard of this cheesy reputation, yep. 01:46 mtompset which Doctor? 01:46 eythian jcamins: it's quite funny how the moment anything happens, the female characters immediately go into hysterics. 01:46 jcamins The first, I think. 01:47 eythian Old crotchety man? That'd be Hartnell. 01:47 mtompset old guy, black and white, william hartnell? 01:47 jcamins Maybe. 01:47 mtompset jon pertwee was three... 01:47 mtompset who was two again? 01:48 mtompset http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0/features/doctors (which one, jcamins?) 01:49 jcamins Yep. First Doctor. 01:49 wizzyrea omg, I was watching some 7th doctor... his first companion was the shriekiest thing I'd ever heard. 01:50 wizzyrea I almost stopped watching it. 01:50 wizzyrea Mel I think 01:51 wizzyrea it's all pretty cheesy up until 2005 ;) 01:51 wizzyrea don't get me started on the 8th doctor. 01:51 mtompset peri?! 01:51 mtompset I had a serious crush on her when I was a teenager. 01:52 jcamins Ian is currently dressed up as a the Ja'fa from Stargate. 01:53 mtompset Mel? 01:53 mtompset I didn't like Mel. 01:53 eythian wizzyrea: the 8th one doesn't count I think 01:53 mtompset Ace... now there's a companion... she liked to blow things up. 01:54 wizzyrea ace was cool. 01:54 gmcharlt who else could manage to take out a Dalek with a baseball bat? :) 01:55 wizzyrea ^ so much this 01:58 jcamins The next episode is the Warriors of DEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTHHHHHHHHH. 01:58 jcamins We decided it's too cheesy. 01:59 wizzyrea starting at series 1 episode 1 might be a bit extreme for the modern viewer. 01:59 jcamins Yeah. 02:00 wizzyrea but starting with 9th doctor will get you into it... then you can go back and appreciate the cheesiness. 02:00 dcook hehe 02:00 * wizzyrea was exposed to the cheese at a relatively early age, so is less bothered by it 02:03 dcook mmm cheese 02:18 pianohacker okay, I should probably knock off for the day, but I need to know 02:18 pianohacker Is the configuration of the fields in the 008 field determined by the material type field in the leader? 02:18 jcamins Yes. 02:18 jcamins Wasn't that just on the list? 02:19 pianohacker I think so. Wanted to confirm before I did the work to make that happen, though :) 02:19 pianohacker Thanks 02:19 dcook pianohacker++ 02:20 pianohacker Whoever thought it would be a good idea to mix encoding and semantic information in the leader, make the 008 have 7 different layouts depending on a completely different field... 02:20 pianohacker that person should be shot. repeatedly. 02:20 pianohacker but then we'd just go on to shooting everyone responsible for MARC 02:21 pianohacker and as SATISFYING as that would be 02:21 pianohacker it would be much harder to hide that many bodies 02:26 jcamins pianohacker: yeah, it's a problem. 02:26 pianohacker jcamins: but then I preach to the choir ;) 02:27 jcamins [off] pianohacker: just how many catalogers do you think I've buried?!? 02:28 pianohacker jcamins: [off] ahahahahaha, well, only as many as were necessary at the time, I'm sure 02:29 * eythian notes that that is not how [off] works. 02:30 eythian http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2013-09-05#i_1378451 02:30 pianohacker dammit 02:30 pianohacker [off] [on] what now, logbot?! 02:30 pianohacker but thanks, eythian :) 02:34 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/56321310727/we-need-more-marc < pianohacker 02:34 pianohacker yes... 02:34 pianohacker I know someone will probably want to extend this editor to support RDA 02:34 pianohacker and that frightens me 02:35 jcamins pianohacker: RDA is supported by virtue of RDA being just MARC. 02:35 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/56322456691/all-flavours-of-the-marc-standard 02:35 wizzyrea also this 02:36 pianohacker jcamins: True, though there would likely need to be some additions and work to support the new coded fields, from what I can tell 02:36 wizzyrea and probably this, for good measure http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/58777830792/youre-totally-looking-forward-to-implementing-a 02:36 dcook pianohhacker: That seems odd 02:36 wizzyrea if people would tell us what to do with the newly coded fields, we would do that. 02:36 dcook As far as I can tell, there have just been modifications to existing fields and added fields 02:37 dcook What do you refer to when you say "new coded field"? 02:37 wizzyrea probably the 3xx ones? the medium/carrier/otheroneican'tremember 02:37 * wizzyrea might be wrong on the number 02:39 jcamins There are no new fixed fields. 02:39 dcook ^^ 02:40 * dcook is wondering why he didn't use "BatchStageMarcRecords" in this harvesting script... 02:41 pianohacker this was the main thing that looked like it would add complication: http://www.loc.gov/standards/valuelist/rdacontent.html 02:45 jcamins I don't see why you wouldn't just make it an authorized value. 02:46 wizzyrea yes it seems to me that having that as a human enterable value is counter to the purpose of the field. 02:47 wizzyrea and you're right, it's not a fixed field. 02:47 wizzyrea but it's a field with decently fixed values, if you're doing it properly. 02:47 wizzyrea so I think we were just coming up against the same words with different interpretations. 02:48 jcamins I don't think so. 02:48 jcamins Fixed fields are a problem for a cataloging editor. 02:48 jcamins Variable fields with a defined set of values are not. 02:49 dcook ^^ 02:49 wizzyrea whatever, I think we can agree that "tactile notated movement" sounds like a veiled description for poop. 02:49 wizzyrea poop with annotations. 02:49 jcamins We already have complete support for 336. 02:50 jcamins Define an RDACONTENT authorized value category. Link to 336$b. Done. 02:50 wizzyrea yes I know. 02:50 wizzyrea should we ship that by default? 02:50 dcook Probably wouldn't hurt 02:50 wizzyrea considering we don't want to ship a default RDA framework, I guess not. 02:51 dcook Ah, but we are shipping a default RDA framework 02:51 wizzyrea no we're not? 02:51 jcamins Yeah, but our default frameworks are so out-of-date I'm not sure it matters. 02:51 dcook RDA itself is not MARC 02:51 wizzyrea there's no RDA framework in koha by default. 02:51 dcook jcamins: Not the newest ones 02:51 wizzyrea as evidenced by people still needing to get it from the wiki. 02:51 dcook 3.14 should have up-to-date MARC frameworks by default 02:52 dcook I suppose it depends on how we define ship 02:52 jcamins dcook: Oh, yeah. That's right. 02:52 jcamins I forgot about pushing it. 02:52 wizzyrea yea, I mean, when you install koha, there is no RDA framework. 02:52 jcamins It's a year out of date. 02:52 dcook Either mtj or bgkriegel brought it up to the Update 16 from April 2013, I believe 02:52 jcamins bgkriegel. 02:52 wahanui i think bgkriegel is on a signoff spree 02:53 dcook wizzyrea: Sort of 02:53 dcook Like I was saying, RDA isn't MARC 02:53 jcamins You don't actually need an RDA framework. Just a framework that isn't out of date. 02:53 dcook MARC did add fields to accomodate RDA though 02:53 dcook Yeah, what he said :p 02:54 pianohacker Okay, now that I've beat my head against MARC all day 02:55 pianohacker I'm out of here 02:55 wizzyrea yea probably best. 02:55 pianohacker Good night all :) 02:55 dcook night pianohacker 02:55 dcook Looking forward to your continued efforts :) 02:55 pianohacker thanks dcook 04:06 * dcook will babble in channel then :p 04:10 dcook Better to encase both timestamp and "from" argument in date() functions 04:11 dcook Or...remove the date() function and remove the T and Z characters from the "from" argument... 04:11 dcook Probably the latter... 04:15 dcook Blearghh 04:19 dcook We're not really using UTC datestamps in the OAI-PMH server... 04:19 dcook But changing that now would be problematic for anyone using it currently... 04:38 dcook On the other hand...if you're only passed a date... 04:38 dcook it might make sense to compare only a date.. 05:06 cait good morning #koha 05:06 dcook morning cait 05:09 cait morning dcook 05:18 mtompset I really need to stop lurking. ;) 05:19 dcook I should eat lunch earlier :P 05:19 mtompset Greetings, cait dcook wizzyrea. 05:19 dcook @wunder toronto, canada 05:19 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is 16.0°C (1:00 AM EDT on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 05:19 mtompset Yes, it's crazy early. 05:19 dcook Nah, crazy early might be... 05:19 dcook @wunder konstanz 05:19 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.1°C (7:15 AM CEST on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 05:19 dcook Actually, that's not too bad 05:20 mtompset Actually, that's ... exactly. 05:22 dcook Sometimes, I want to write commit messages that say "take my word for it" :p 05:22 dcook Oh well. Long (hopefully comprehensive) messages are what I do.. 05:22 cait @wunder Lippstadt 05:22 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Geseke, Germany is 16.1°C (7:22 AM CEST on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 05:23 dcook Lippstadt? 05:23 cait doing training today 05:26 dcook Fun fun 05:33 cait i hope it will be :) 05:36 dcook \o/ 05:39 * dcook tries to remember what he was originally doing before he found a somewhat unrelated bug 05:39 dcook Lunch perhaps... 05:41 dcook om nom nom 05:41 * dcook suddenly remembers rangi mentioning Casey...Sea Farer II...English channel swimming 05:43 dcook http://www.dover.uk.com/channelswimming/swims/ isn't too encouraging 05:45 dcook twitter++ 05:45 dcook 9.14 hours 05:46 dcook About 3.6 km/hr 05:48 dcook Maybe swimming from Gibraltar to Morocco is more intimidating than I thought... 06:13 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:20 dcook Ahhhhhh 06:21 dcook I finally understand "match_check" vs "match_point" 06:21 dcook Wait, no I don't 06:21 dcook Wait, yes I do 06:22 dcook Match Point compares two fields with identical fields/subfields 06:22 dcook But Match Check can be used to compare two different field/subfield pairs against each other 06:22 dcook So 999$c against 001 or 995$c or something 06:22 dcook Neat 06:22 * dcook wonders if it actually wroks 06:22 dcook works even 06:25 dcook Sweet match_check uses match_points. Less searching for me.. 06:46 * magnuse waves 06:47 magnuse qateam++ 06:48 * dcook waves to magnuse 06:49 * magnuse waves to dcook, specifically 06:51 reiveune hello 06:52 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:54 reiveune salut magnuse rangi dcook 06:56 dcook bonjour reiveune :) 07:07 dcook Oh snap. Time to hurry home. No staying late today. 07:07 dcook Au revoir and good night :) 07:21 samueld hi everybody 08:17 rangi evening 08:21 magnuse morning 08:21 magnuse :-) 08:22 rangi magnuse: http://slid.es/ranginui/oyster 08:22 rangi go right one slide 08:25 rangi done with https://github.com/hakimel/reveal.js 08:27 magnuse yay!! 08:27 magnuse rangi: is that a talk you are giving, or are you just practising? 08:28 rangi brief lightning talk tomorrow 08:28 rangi at 08:28 drojf good morning #koha 08:28 magnuse moin drojf 08:28 rangi http://catalyst.net.nz/Library_Technology_Workshop 08:28 rangi hi drojf 08:29 magnuse rangi++ 08:29 mtj hey rangi, lookin' good! 08:30 drojf ho magnuse and rangi 08:30 mtj the slid.es site is pretty cool 08:32 magnuse rangi: seen https://metacpan.org/module/Test::RDF ? 08:32 wahanui I haven't seen 'https://metacpan.org/module/Test::RDF', magnuse 08:32 magnuse well, i wasn't talking to you, wahanui 08:32 wahanui magnuse: sorry... 08:32 rangi yeah i think im using it 08:32 magnuse it's ok wahanui 08:32 magnuse rangi: cool 08:33 rangi yep i am 08:34 magnuse ah yes https://gitorious.org/koha-marc2rdf/koha-marc2rdf/source/7c863b4ef1289b987f1303a7996eef95512fed4a:t/Koha_MARC2RDF.t 08:34 rangi handy 08:37 magnuse looks like it 08:37 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that? 08:43 Viktor I can now confirm that magnuse is just as nice to meet in person as one might suspect :) 08:44 magnuse yay! and i can confirm exactly the same thing about Viktor, if there was any doubt ;-) 08:44 Viktor :) 08:45 Viktor And magnuse++ for two days of great workshoping 08:46 rangi ive met both of you in person, so i can vouch that it is true 08:46 drojf koha web of niceness trust 08:46 magnuse and Viktor++ for tirelessly working to bring koha to swedish libraries 08:47 magnuse drojf: :-) 08:47 drojf i know rangi is nice, so i can trust him about you two ;) 08:49 rangi drojf: you met Viktor in edinburgh im pretty sure? 08:50 drojf no, i did not. or at least i did not know who he is. i only heard later that he has been there 08:51 rangi ahh 08:53 Viktor :) 08:53 magnuse where's that group picture again? 08:53 magnuse kohacon12 08:53 wahanui hmmm... kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June 08:54 Viktor I had to run for the bus so I missed the picture. 08:54 magnuse kohacon12attendees is http://koha-community.org/kohacon12-attendees/ 08:54 magnuse Viktor: ahh 08:55 Viktor But a quick google of images for "Viktor Sarge" should give a few correct results even if it's hard to tell when different people are served diferent results based on prior searches.. 08:57 Viktor But at least I recognize a whole bunch of nice people from the Edinburgh conference :) 09:00 magnuse hm, there are way too many people in that picture i have not met - i *need* to go to reno... ;-) 09:57 * magnuse is thrilled to see the beginnings of https://github.com/nichtich/Catmandu-RDF 12:27 oleonard Hi #koha 12:28 drojf hm. resending your initial question an hour after my reply to the first mail is not really a motivation to answer again. 12:30 drojf hi oleonard 12:32 tcohen morning #koha 12:32 drojf hi tcohen 12:32 tcohen hi drojf 12:58 druthb o/ 13:16 oleonard tcohen: You asked if I was going to substitute alerts for bootstrap modals, and the answer is that I don't have a plan to do so. I think it would not necessarily be an easy switch, depending on the situation. 13:29 oleonard When importing MARC records, can you match on ISBN but only add items? That is, don't replace the existing MARC record? 13:30 jcamins Yes. Choose to keep existing records and add items. 13:33 oleonard "Replace existing record with incoming record," "Add incoming record," or "Ignore incoming record (its items may still be processed)" 13:34 jcamins Ignore incoming record. 13:37 oleonard Hm... that wasn't working for me when I tested it. I'll have to try it again. 13:50 oleonard I must have done something wrong before. It worked this time. Thanks jcamins 14:58 druthb @quote random 14:58 huginn` druthb: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011) 15:03 * oleonard remembers that time... We all saved seneca from being crushed by the Daily Planet planet after it toppled from atop the Daily Planet building. 15:15 oleonard Hi cait 15:16 cait hi oleonard :) 15:16 druthb cait! 15:16 wahanui cait! are you well? still home? 15:16 cait druthb! 15:25 reiveune bye 15:28 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10539: Followup for removing KohaTest unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5c364e172f957826cccac4f61160e8ce247aefa> / Bug 10539: Remove unused unit tests in lib/KohaTest <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e3e4a7f9a1decf99025d83e4146157da3b8aeb5> 15:38 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10737: (follow-up) make the new 'Closed' column sortable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba39ef9d6703a3af60cc61ec88033d571ed6d1c6> / Bug 10737: Add "Add to basket" link on vendor search results page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=baab2a2cb4b37dbda8a813e3629b4733955fd3b7> 15:48 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10649 - Upgrade DataTables and move scripts out of theme directory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e86a9516177045a77285c8baf8eb0b991b8636a7> 15:54 tcohen hi oleonard 15:54 tcohen understood 15:56 oleonard Suggested replacement for the author/subject pop-up menus in the new Bootstrap OPAC: http://screencast.com/t/Gviv7lxr 15:56 oleonard jcamins: ^^ 15:57 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:13 druthb Hi, mtompset! :) 16:13 mtompset Greetings, druthb. 16:13 * druthb wriggles happily. 16:14 mtompset Or should I say SkittlesBot? 16:14 * druthb laughs evilly. 16:14 mtompset An evil robot that is in love... What a strange mixture. :P 16:14 druthb :P 16:15 druthb speaking of evil, our Code Monkeys team is having a raucous debate in the nearby conference room. Rowdy bunch of geeks. 16:16 mtompset http://youtu.be/v4Wy7gRGgeA (Code Monkey) 16:17 druthb Ah, Johnathan Coulton. 16:19 mtompset But seriously?! Tab? :P 16:35 mtompset Greetings, nengard. :) 16:35 nengard hiya 16:35 mtompset Enjoy lunch! :) 16:41 oleonard mtompset: Code Monkey likes Tab because when he takes one off the shelf he has the satisfaction of converting a Tab to a space. 16:42 * mtompset grins, "Code monkey like!" 16:43 mtompset oleonard++ # good explanation of code monkey. :) 17:23 * cait waves 17:24 jcamins oleonard: looks good to me! 17:25 oleonard Well then that's good enough reason to push it for testing. 17:29 mtompset 698MB?! Wow. Git is growing. 17:30 jcamins mtompset: that's the download size? Yikes! 17:31 mtompset Yep, just cloned a fresh one. 17:32 mtompset Greetings, cait jcamins. :) 17:32 mtompset Greetings, hankbank. 17:33 hankbank greetings earthlings 17:33 * jcamins resists the urge to ask why on earth you just cloned a new repo. 17:35 * jcamins has low resistance, apparently. 17:35 jcamins mtompset: you do know that you can clone a repo with cp -R or rsync, right? 17:36 jcamins Or even git clone /my/old/repo/.git /my/new/repo 17:37 mtompset Just doing it as it is a new install. Don't want anything dangling. 17:39 mtompset So, you are saying a .git dir in any one of my repos could be git cloned into something that would be identical to a git clone from koha-community.org? 17:40 jcamins If you use cp -R or rsync, yes. 17:40 jcamins If you use git clone /my/old/repo/.git, you'd need to change the "origin" remote to point to git.k-c.org. 17:41 mtompset but that's just a config edit. 17:41 jcamins Yes. 17:43 jcamins I have cloned git.k-c.org 2-3 times in recent memory. Once to get a repo at home, a few years ago. Once to set up a development repo on my development server. And I may have cloned my release management repo, but I'm not sure of that. 18:22 tcohen mtompset: the only relevant thing tp copy is the .git dir itself 18:22 tcohen (if you want it quicker heh) 18:22 jcamins tcohen: true. 18:22 mtompset That's what I understood jcamins to say, tcohen. 18:23 * tcohen is just redundant 18:24 mtompset not a problem. 18:25 mtompset Dumb question... looking at the OPAC interface. Why are the news items suddenly not visible if you log in? 18:26 oleonard-away I don't find that to be the case in the prog template mtompset 18:27 mtompset Are you sure, oleonard? Because my screen says otherwise. Let me test on my fresh git install. 18:29 oleonard Logged in, not logged in, I see news either way. prog and ccsr 18:31 tcohen bye #koha 18:31 mtompset okay... here's the problem... 18:31 mtompset opac-user.pl 18:31 mtompset It goes to opac-user.pl when you log in. 18:32 oleonard Yes it does :) 18:32 mtompset If you click the koha logo, then you see the news again. 18:33 oleonard Yes, because news is displayed on the OPAC home page 18:34 mtompset Okay... but OPACNav is still visible on the opac-user.pl page. 18:34 mtompset Where would you put library hours? 18:34 jcamins Footer? 18:35 mtompset opaccredits? 18:35 jcamins I would. Unless you want to put them in the header. 18:37 mtompset Patrons are assigned a branch. It would be nice to know the library hours once you log in. 18:38 mtompset Is there such a functionality in Koha? Or is this a patch idea waiting to happen? 18:39 mtompset well, library hours, or branch specific announcements. 18:49 oleonard There could be if you used the multi-OPAC setup... Not sure if that still works? 18:55 cait @wunder Lippstadt 18:55 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Geseke, Germany is 24.6°C (8:52 PM CEST on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 18:55 druthb @wunder 77098 18:55 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 33.9°C (1:55 PM CDT on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 19:04 oleonard @wunder 45701 19:04 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 26.4°C (3:01 PM EDT on September 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 19:05 * oleonard wonders what "Whitlind Woods" is... 19:25 oleonard Huh... I wouldn't have thought it would be valid to omit the "type" attribute of an <input>. I guess it defaults to "text" 19:30 cait html5? 19:30 jcamins @later tell drojf I have a project for you for after the GPG stuff: implement homomorphic encryption for circulation history so that people can choose to save their circ histories but not allowing the library access to that information. 19:30 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 19:34 cait jcamins: interesting :) 19:35 cait jcamins: you know he will never finish writing his thesis that way? ;) 19:35 jcamins cait: new thesis topic! 19:35 jcamins :D 19:35 cait not sure that would work :) 19:47 jcamins cait++ # for good advice on maple-bacon potatoes 19:47 cait lol 19:47 cait yv 19:47 cait yw 19:49 druthb cait++ 19:54 oleonard cait has been channeling her inner Canadian? 19:55 jcamins oleonard: I suddenly came over all peckish and in the mood for something maple-y. 19:55 jcamins So I asked cait how to make maple potatoes, and she told me. :) 19:55 mtompset multi-OPAC setup, oleonard? 19:55 * cait is surprised herself 19:57 oleonard mtompset: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Support_for_multiple_PAC_interfaces_by_URL_RFC 19:57 oleonard mtompset: I'm not sure if there's better information around, or whether that has been tested recently 19:58 mtompset Hmmm... we'd prefer one URL (easy to disseminate), and use branch code to distinguish post log in. 19:59 oleonard mtompset: Sounds like you've got a new development on your list 20:25 drnoe hello #koha. regarding hard due dates: How would Koha know from the data in issues that a due date is a hard due date and if it's before, on, or after??? I am missing something here. 20:26 cait it does know from the circulation rules 20:26 cait the hard due dates are calculated from the circulation rules on checkout - then it doesn't have to know later if it's a hard one or not, just a due date 20:27 oleonard Quitting time for me. Bye #koha 20:27 cait before means = it calculates the regular circulation period - but the due_date must be before the hard due date entered in circulation rules, so the loan period might be shortened 20:27 drnoe so a due date is a due date. so I am not missing anything there 20:28 cait after means the due date minimum is that date, but it will also be after, if you have longer periods 20:28 cait and then it can be super hard.. being exactly the date 20:28 cait i don't think you do - but i might not be understanding correctly what you are looking for 20:30 drnoe overdue items with a hard due date set are not changing upon renewal (apparently) 20:31 drnoe due date is not updating that is 20:35 cait what is the setting? 20:35 cait before, after or hard? 20:36 cait what's the date due for the item and waht does the circulation rule say? 20:36 drnoe yeah, those were edited/deleted. nice for trouble shooting, eh? 20:36 drnoe this is going to be a wild goose chase 20:37 cait if the circulation rule was deleted 20:37 cait they should renew normally i think 20:37 cait are you sure the problem is related to the hard due date setting? 20:37 cait is there a rnewal period configured in the circulation rules? 20:37 cait is the renewal calculated from today or from the date due (that can lead to see no change, if it's calculated from today) 20:39 drnoe again, hard to know since it was all changed. gonna push this one back with "need to know what the circulation rule was." thanks cait 20:39 cait drnoe: it should not matter 20:39 cait only the current circulation rule 20:39 cait koha can't care about something it does no longer know about :) 20:40 cait you want to check the renewal period setting in the circulation rule and the renewal related settings in the system preferences 20:40 drnoe they have changed this stuff patron categories and all the circ rules, so it is no longer happening... 20:41 drnoe again, a bit hard to troubleshoot when it's not longer possible to replicate 20:48 cait ah ok 20:48 cait yeah 21:57 eythian hi 23:33 dcook morning #koha 23:33 dcook Loving the #libtechdream tweets from wizzyrea and rangi 23:36 eythian yeah, they're workshopping while I'm holding down the fort 23:37 dcook Teamwork! 23:38 dcook That's neat. They're running the workshop? 23:38 dcook Wait...libtechdream is a conference? 23:38 dcook I just saw them on twitter this morning so I'm totally unaware about the whole thing 23:46 eythian no, it's a workshop