IRC log for #koha, 2013-06-25

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00:50 dcook http://www.cafekoha.com/
00:50 dcook Seems like they have capitalization issues too
00:54 dcook https://www.facebook.com/pages[…]Cafe/323847370751
00:59 dcook http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/koha
01:00 dcook I might be doing a Google search for Koha and filtering out the main Koha ILS sites...:p
01:01 rangi :)
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02:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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05:15 cait good morning #koha
05:17 dac morning cait
05:17 dac @wunder konstanz
05:17 cait morning dac
05:18 huginn dac: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
05:18 cait heh thx
05:18 dac @wunder sydney, australia
05:18 huginn dac: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 14.0°C (3:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
05:18 dac That weather of yours is so bizarre
05:18 cait is it?
05:18 dcook Weren't you having days that were 18 degrees at this same time?
05:19 cait 22 i think
05:19 cait yeah it has cooled down quite a bit
05:20 eythian hello cait
05:20 wahanui hello cait are you here?
05:20 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
05:22 cait hi eythian
05:35 mtompset Greetings, cait eythian druthb.
05:35 cait hi mtompset
05:35 druthb Hi, mtompset! :)
05:35 mtompset I really should get some sleep. :)
05:36 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :)
05:42 * druthb should probably go to bed, but having had a nap earlier, probably would not sleep much
06:07 cait druthb?
06:07 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
06:08 cait hm. she finally went to bed that is :)
06:14 magnuse kia ora #koha!
06:15 magnuse eythian: still around?
06:30 cait kia ora magnuse
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06:44 reiveune hello
06:44 wahanui que tal, reiveune
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07:08 kf Hi again #koha
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07:09 christophe_c hello #koha
07:10 magnuse bonjour!
07:10 magnuse @wunder boo
07:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:10 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:10 magnuse :-)
07:20 kf hi christophe_c :)
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07:21 christophe_c bonjour kf ;-)
07:22 christophe_c hello magnuse, yes not so hot in Marseille, but blue sky ..;-)
07:26 kf blue sky here too and fresh air after the rain
07:27 magnuse beautiful night here last night: sun, absolutely no wind, warm... until some fog drifted in around midnight. today is grey, though
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07:29 gaetan_B hello
07:29 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B
07:40 * dcook thinks his toes migiht be made of ice
07:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
07:40 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (5:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:40 dcook I swear huginn's lying.
07:40 wizzyrea toes made of ice at 14. You are funny.
07:40 dcook Or maybe I secretly work in a freezer...
07:40 dcook I think it's actually warmer outside
07:41 dcook -30 at Christmas felt warmer than this
07:41 kf @wunder Konstanz
07:41 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (9:40 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:41 dcook Well...maybe not quite
07:41 kf hi wizzyrea
07:41 kf dcook: i think the weather is quite nice :)
07:41 kf but my coworkers disagree
07:42 dcook Maybe I should reserve my complaining until my appendages start actually falling off
07:42 dcook Actually, at the moment, I think it's time for cheap food and bad movies
07:42 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
07:42 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
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07:42 * wizzyrea nods
07:42 wizzyrea it's chillyish
07:43 wizzyrea hi kf
07:43 wizzyrea :)
07:43 dcook @wunder david's office
07:43 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Coldwater, Michigan is 19.0°C (3:35 AM EDT on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:43 dcook ...
07:43 dcook I...
07:43 magnuse lol
07:44 dcook I think I might just quit while I'm ahead
07:44 dcook Have a good evening/night/morning/afternoon, everyone :)
07:49 magnuse so when the wmu.se people talk about "live availability and location lookups performed asynchronously through the  koha-restful  api", does that mean they use the rest code from biblibre? ( http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=summary )
07:51 rangi perhaps
07:51 rangi you'd have to ask them
07:51 magnuse yup
07:52 magnuse but is there anything restful in koha today for querying item availability?
07:52 rangi not truly restful no
07:53 rangi you could do it with the ils-di
07:53 rangi but its not really restful
07:53 rangi however people say restful a lot, when they just mean a web based api
07:53 magnuse yup
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07:54 magnuse and yes, there is the GetAvailability call in ILS-DI, nice
08:02 jajm magnuse, if you really need to get availability in a restful way, feel free to add this feature to koha-restful ;) it's also on github https://github.com/clrh/koha-restful (but maybe not up-to-date)
08:05 magnuse jajm: i don't need it at the moment, i'm just curious :-)
08:05 magnuse jajm: does that mean koha-restful does not support availability at the moment?
08:08 jajm magnuse, no it doesn't. you can look at the API in Koha::REST::Dispatch (http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]patch.pm;hb=HEAD)
08:09 magnuse ah, thanks
08:09 magnuse anyway, i sent a couple questions to the wmu.se people on the list, hope they'll answer :-)
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08:39 rangi magnuse:
08:39 rangi self check?
08:39 wahanui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4
08:42 magnuse lol
08:42 kf magnuse: that's what I meant yesterday :)
08:44 magnuse ah
09:06 magnuse wow, books with two barcodes
09:06 magnuse @quote get 123
09:06 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
09:06 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:10 rangi 2 barcodes is pretty special
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09:23 magnuse hm, something weird with the 942$2 field in the cataloguing screen in marc21?
09:23 wizzyrea define weird
09:24 magnuse when i look at the marc view there is no 942 tag at all, but when i go to edit the record it shows "ddc" as selected for 942$2
09:24 magnuse (it's MARC, so it's weird by definition, i know...)
09:25 magnuse s/no 942 tag/no 942 tag in the records i'm looking at/
09:25 magnuse i think it should display the first, empty option when the record has no info in 942
09:26 magnuse the way it seems to work now, 942$2 = ddc will be added to all records i edit, unless i remember to go to the 9 tab and choose the empty option
09:32 gaetan_B anyone knowledgeable with SIP around here ?
09:32 gaetan_B i just learnt you can create a new item through this protocol
09:32 gaetan_B i have no idea how koha would behave in this case or if this is supported at all actually
09:33 kf magnuse: system preference
09:33 wahanui system preference is probably ReservesMaxPickUpDelay
09:33 kf magnuse: look for classification in the system preferences - we just changed that in one of our installations like 5 min ago :)
09:34 kf gaetan_B: i think not supported
09:34 kf gaetan_B: it sounds a bit strange too actually - what's the use case?
09:34 kf gaetan_B: koha has other ways you can add items, via the restful api I think
09:34 wizzyrea I don't know of any koha library adding items that way
09:34 wizzyrea @quote get 123
09:34 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:34 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
09:35 rangi gaetan_B: its an extension, not part of the standard spec
09:35 gaetan_B ok thanks, we won't use it then
09:35 rangi however it is part of standard ncip
09:36 gaetan_B kf: in this case someone would be in charge of putting the tags on the books, they would then be created in the system, after that, the person in charge of the cataloguing would just look up the correct tag, find the item and edit its metadata in the software
09:37 wizzyrea that sounds like extra work
09:37 magnuse kf:  DefaultClassificationSource - thanks!
09:38 kf gaetan_B: hm have never heard of doing it that way
09:38 kf I think here they either convert (have already a barcode that is then written on the tag) or they work with the ILS
09:38 gaetan_B me neither, also you would end up creating a lot of empty bibliographic records for data that you might already have
09:39 kf and how would sip know which record to attach the item to?
09:39 kf doesn't sound like a big win to me
09:39 gaetan_B exactly it doesn't
09:39 gaetan_B to me neither
09:39 rangi the problem with SIP2
09:39 rangi is it isnt a ratified standard
09:39 wizzyrea you'd be better off sequencing your RFID tags, adding multiple copies
09:39 rangi so you can do anything, or nothing
09:39 rangi and still call it sip2
09:39 wizzyrea then handing that off to the cataloguer
09:40 rangi which is why ncip was created
09:40 wizzyrea This sheet of tags was added with numbers 1-10, they are in these books, here you go
09:40 wizzyrea sheet, roll, however they are delivered.
09:41 wizzyrea dunno seems... silly
09:41 magnuse wasn't there some library that was in a hurry to add ncip to koha? or am i confusing things?
09:41 wizzyrea this sounds like a library that was talked into some technology and now has to figure out how to make the investment worthwhile
09:41 rangi masscat
09:49 magnuse rangi: yup "We intend to have this coded and fully tested by the end of July 2013"
09:49 * magnuse wonders how that is going
09:56 * kf kinda doubts that the timeline
10:05 * magnuse keeps his fingers crossed
10:06 * magnuse goes looking for lunch
10:06 gaetan_B anyone ever had an error like "Completely confused parametrizing -- msgid:" when running translate install ?
10:10 kf hm yes
10:10 kf sometiems a tempate problem, or a string weirdly translated maybe
10:13 gaetan_B the incriminated part seems to be this :
10:13 gaetan_B meh
10:13 gaetan_B can't copy and paste from vim
10:17 gaetan_B well i solved it by removing a lonely %, but i get an even more cryptic error now: "Syck parser (line 300, column -1): syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/YAML/Syck.pm line 126, <$fh> line 1."
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10:40 kf gaetan_B: hm maybe the pref file
10:40 kf that is using yam
10:40 kf ö
10:40 kf yaml
10:40 gaetan_B well sophie_m has tried on another instance and has no error
10:40 gaetan_B so i guess the files are ok now actually
10:40 gaetan_B i think i will try installing them on their server now
10:41 gaetan_B maybe that will work better than on my local instance
10:42 gaetan_B ah
10:42 gaetan_B yes that's where the problem is coming from :)
10:43 gaetan_B alle klar now it seems
10:43 gaetan_B +s
10:44 gaetan_B kf:  there's some metadata at the beginning of the po file, how important is that ?
10:45 gaetan_B also, where do you define what will show up in the link at the bottom to choose the language ?
10:45 gaetan_B right now the code we picked for the language shows up, instead of the name of the language
10:45 kf gaetan_B: that's in a database table
10:46 kf language_descriptions or similar
10:46 kf it's installed with the web installer, probably you need to add a frew lines there
10:46 gaetan_B ok i will have a look, thanks :)
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10:50 drojf hi #koha
10:52 kf hi drojf
10:52 drojf hi kf
10:52 drojf how are things in kohaland?
10:53 rangi bibframe mailing list?
10:53 wahanui https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfr[…]03089_animate.gif
10:54 drojf looks like a fun place :D
10:55 rangi that was exactly my reaction when i tried reading some of the messages
10:55 rangi we are all doooomed
10:55 wizzyrea lol
10:55 wizzyrea and ... urgh
10:57 drojf oh, it's a new marc. LOL
10:58 magnuse never mind bibframe, take a look at https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf instead
10:58 drojf so marc could be even better? yay! :P
10:59 drojf rangi: http://listserv.loc.gov/cgi-bi[…]frame&T=0&P=11233 ;)
11:01 magnuse drojf: nope, MARC will never get better (at least not before it is dead and buried). but there are alternatives out there!
11:07 Viktor Hi! Just found out that our "more than one barcode" thing is odd :)
11:09 Viktor But not unique to this library. What's happened is that books have largely been sold with barcodes on the inside of the back cover. The library/libraries have then added one on the back for easy access so I think it's something that future migrations here might experience too.
11:10 magnuse hehe
11:10 magnuse Viktor: *i* didn't say it was you ;-)
11:10 Viktor Question is if we can make barcode a repeatable field in the future while just storing in some junk field of MARC for now :) What say ye?
11:11 Viktor magnuse LOL I appreciate it :)
11:11 drojf won't most of koha implode if we had multiple barcodes?
11:12 khall rangi: any idea if we'll get the ability to attach patches with git-bz back?
11:12 gaetan_B hmm what's with the id column in language_descriptions ? schema.koha-community.org says it's linked to acquisitions somehow ?
11:12 Viktor drojf That's what I wonder. In my view multiple barcodes should be no problem at all, but I don't look in the plumbing of Koha.
11:12 gaetan_B isn't that really wrong ?
11:13 drojf khall: we can't attach patches anymore?
11:13 magnuse gaetan_B: maybe acq is using the language codes?
11:13 gaetan_B http://schema.koha-community.o[…]descriptions.html
11:14 gaetan_B this looks as if there's a confusion between basket group's ids and languages
11:14 khall drojf: I haven't been able to since rangi upgraded bugzilla over the weekend
11:14 khall and at least on other person has reported the same
11:14 gaetan_B or, the tool that generates the schema gets confused because the columns have the same name
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11:16 drojf khall: oh that does not sound good. i was hoping to do a signoff or two later, i guess i will find out if it works for me
11:16 khall yeah, please let us know if it works for you or not!
11:17 drojf khall: will do
11:22 magnuse khall: do you get an error?
11:23 khall magnuse: yes, I get a lot of html from bugzilla, then:
11:23 khall Failed to attach patch to bug 10277, status=200
11:23 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10277 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add C4::Context->IsSuperLibrarian()
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11:24 magnuse khall: ah, not good! does the html look like it has something to do with authentication?
11:25 khall one sec
11:26 khall http://pastebin.com/FWxUJnGQ
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11:29 magnuse heh, the title of the page is "suspicious action" - could this be the nsa interfering? ;-)
11:29 magnuse It looks like you didn't come from the right page (you have no valid token for
11:29 magnuse the <em>create_attachment</em> action while processing the
11:29 magnuse 'attachment.cgi' script)
11:30 khall my guess is the method git bz used for attaching has changed between the previous version and the current version.
11:30 khall so it probably means git bz needs updated before it will work again
11:31 khall either that or the api needs enabled by updating a library
11:31 khall The diff tool was disabled after the upgrade until I asked rangi to update the library it uses, then it came back
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11:35 jcamins khall: did you update git-bz?
11:35 jcamins If you use the fishsoup branch in git.k-c.org, apparently it works.
11:35 khall I'll try that one, thanks!
11:39 khall jcamins: fishsoup confirmed as working!
11:44 nengard i came in at a strange time ... fishsoup? :)
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11:49 magnuse nengard: lol
11:50 magnuse it's a branch in the git-bz repo on git.k-c.org
11:50 magnuse named after the website that originally published git-bz, i think
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11:55 nengard okey dokey
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12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:21 nengard morning oleonard
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13:08 aalex Hello
13:08 wahanui kai ora, aalex
13:08 aalex Where can I find a general diagram that explains the overview of the system components within Koha?
13:08 aalex Like a 1-pager PDF.
13:09 jcamins I don't think there really is one, though I would love to learn that I am wrong.
13:10 drojf what do you mean by system components?
13:10 aalex I am looking up the manual.pdf, but it is rather text-oriented.
13:10 aalex drojf, well, some kind of a high-level UML class diagram.
13:10 aalex drojf, but at this scale, one cannot see all the classes involved.
13:11 aalex drojf, so it's more about packages - in a C++-way.
13:11 aalex (or Java)
13:12 aalex Maybe there is a wiki page that list all the components?
13:13 jcamins You can check the wiki, but I've never seen aything like that.
13:13 jcamins If you produce a diagram like that, please put it on the wiki for others with similar needs.
13:13 aalex sure
13:13 aalex I usually use Dia for this kind of work.
13:14 jcamins Out of curiosity, what is your end goal with this diagram?
13:16 jcamins Perhaps there is something else already available that will help you accomplish it.
13:16 aalex Hmm, maybe this page gives me what I want: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/
13:17 aalex jcamins, oh, I just want to get a clear view of all it can do. I am getting ready for a job interview. :)
13:17 jcamins Ah.
13:17 drojf but that's just the perl part. and not very diagramy
13:17 jcamins The POD is probably not going to help you understand the gestalt of the system.
13:17 aalex drojf, what are the non-perl parts? desktop applications in Java, right?
13:17 jcamins Unfortunately.
13:17 drojf aalex: there is no java
13:17 jcamins Nope, no desktop application, and nothing in Java.
13:18 oleonard Thank goodness.
13:18 drojf and no desktop application. it's webbased
13:18 aalex oh, so what other languages, then?
13:18 jcamins oleonard: amen!
13:18 drojf you will find html, css, javascript, sql
13:18 aalex yeah, Java is kind of too much to type.
13:18 jcamins The interface is all written in Template::Toolkit, and most of the actual pages will not have POD.
13:18 aalex oh that, but that doesn't count ;-)
13:19 oleonard Did anyone figure out what's up with git-bz attachments failing?
13:19 drojf oleonard: something about eat ,ore fishsoup
13:19 drojf more
13:20 oleonard So I can't eat this sandwich for lunch?
13:20 drojf sure you can
13:20 aalex jcamins, what is POD? (sorry)
13:20 drojf just add fishsoup to it
13:20 drojf :)
13:20 jcamins aalex: Plain Old Documentation ( =perldoc)
13:20 jcamins oleonard: you need to use the git-bz from the fishsoup branch on git.k-c.org.
13:20 drojf the git-bz on git.k-c.org has a branch called fishsoup
13:21 jcamins wahanui: git bz problem is <reply> You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
13:21 wahanui OK, jcamins.
13:21 jcamins git bz problem?
13:21 wahanui You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
13:21 oleonard And it's called fishsoup because git + bugs = fish soup.
13:22 druthb >.<
13:22 drojf opacsuppression still only suppresses the zebra part and i can directly access the biblio if i know the number, right?
13:22 jcamins oleonard: the original author is fishsoup.
13:22 jcamins drojf: I think so.
13:22 magnuse aalex: i'd say if you want to know what koha can do, the documentation is your best bet
13:23 drojf jcamins: ok. i think that should be changed…
13:23 magnuse aalex: it's organized by "functional modules", not code modules
13:24 drojf basically koha is just Search.pm with some stuff around it :P
13:24 jcamins drojf: yes, probably.
13:24 * druthb offers drojf a cookie.
13:24 drojf cookie \o/
13:25 magnuse "it's just a database, with crazy rules"
13:25 druthb lol
13:25 drojf i guess our legal department agrees. with the opacsuppression thing, and maybe also with the cookie part
13:25 aalex magnuse, yes, I think you are right. And just checking the screenshots gives me a rather good idea on the scale of the software.
13:26 magnuse mind you, the database is kind of crazy too, at times :-) http://schema.koha-community.org/
13:28 aalex magnuse, does it have a graphical representation of these tables?
13:28 aalex a UML database diagram
13:29 magnuse aalex: no, i don't think so
13:29 magnuse someone tried to create something like that a while back i think, but ran out of space to draw in..
13:30 oleonard Mmm... fish soup. Reminds me of Marseille.
13:31 drojf lol magnuse
13:32 magnuse there is some stuff here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_Schema but apart from the links to http://schema.koha-community.org/ it is partial and outdated
13:38 nengard speaking of the schema ... it was last updated in Sept 2012 ... how do we get a new version pulled out there?
13:38 nengard I know there are new tables and more documentation now
13:39 aalex magnuse, ah! thank you!!
13:39 jcamins nengard: it is a manual process apparently, so it has to wait on when rangi has enough time.
13:39 nengard k
13:39 nengard so never ever again :) hehe
13:39 aalex so, I am going for the interview. :)
13:40 aalex I might hang out on this channel more often in the few years... we'll see.
13:40 magnuse aalex: fingers cossed!
13:41 aalex hehe
13:42 magnuse MARC view in the OPAC seems to display fields in a weird order - anyone else seen that? (where weird = e.g. 000, 001, 081, 250, 100, 245, 886, 942)
13:43 jcamins magnuse: it displays them in the order they are in the record.
13:44 magnuse but when i export marcxml they are in the order i expect
13:45 jcamins I think the export reorders the fields.
13:45 jcamins I seem to recall problems with that at some point.
13:46 magnuse ah
13:47 drojf is the order supposed to be significant (from a marc standard point of view)?
13:47 jcamins Yes.
13:47 jcamins And it is not supposed to be numeric the way Koha insists on making it.
13:48 magnuse but the marcxml import has the fields in the order i expect (rising numbers)
13:49 jcamins Yes, that's why it's a problem.
13:49 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "record before import" (86 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/84
13:49 jcamins Oh, in that case, I don't know.
13:49 jcamins Sounds like that's a different bug than the one that I meant to report but never did.
13:49 magnuse that paste v.s. this: http://hylte.demo.bibkat.se/cg[…]?biblionumber=768
13:50 jcamins There is _also_ a bug where the MARCXML export from Koha has the fields reordered in the wrong order.
13:50 jcamins (i.e. numeric)
13:50 jcamins Is that the entire file?
13:51 jcamins Because that is completely invalid MARCXML.
13:51 magnuse i don't really care about the order (life is too short... :-) but the records where i have seen the order being out of um order seem to have some other problems too, so i wonder if they are related
13:51 magnuse jcamins: nope, that is just the one record
13:51 jcamins I'm surprised the import didn't just die.
13:51 * jcamins would die, if he were a MARCXML parser.
13:52 magnuse hm, did i double paste?
13:52 jcamins Oh... maybe?
13:52 wahanui it has been said that maybe is a momentaneous error
13:52 jcamins I see two leaders, two 001s, and the end of a second record at the bottom.
13:53 magnuse this is part of the file i imported: http://paste.koha-community.org/85
13:53 magnuse yeah, that must have been me mis-pasting
13:53 magnuse jcamins: see paste #85
13:54 jcamins What's that 84?
13:54 jcamins (not paste 84, but the number 84 in the middle)
13:56 drojf jcamins: and you were saying you are no marcxml parser?
13:56 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "imported record, take 3" (43 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86
13:57 magnuse wow, i think it's time i called it a day
13:57 magnuse the 84 is not there in the file i imported
13:57 jcamins OMG! I've been living a lie! I am not a person, I'm a MARCXML parser!
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13:57 magnuse hm, that would explain a lot of things...
13:57 magnuse ;-)
13:58 jcamins lol
13:58 jcamins Odd. I don't see anything wrong with that record.
13:58 drojf i'm less surprised than i should be ;)
14:03 drojf wie lang urlaubt es?
14:03 drojf wrong window
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14:06 * magnuse wanderen auf, um mittagessen zu maceh
14:07 magnuse s/maceh/machen/
14:13 gmcharlt @quote random
14:13 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #110: "chris: im rm, not god" (added by kf at 10:20 AM, December 08, 2010)
14:15 oleonard And now he's neither rm nor god.
14:15 liw rangi's a very nice person anyway
14:15 gmcharlt :)
14:16 magnuse hear hear!
14:16 liw rangi++
14:16 liw in fact
14:16 gmcharlt rangi++
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15:09 reiveune bye
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15:12 kf rangi++ :)
15:13 drojf i put something about the fishsoup branch on the wiki, is it correct like this (haven't used it yet)? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6
15:14 drojf someone remind me to use a small sample of biblios in my dev VM. reindexing 40k files in a virtual machine is no fun.
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15:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:17 slef hi mtompset
15:17 mtompset slef: Long time no chat.
15:17 slef drojf: could do with an explanation why it's needed.
15:17 drojf yay, i waited what felt like hours and now my disk was full
15:18 drojf slef: i have no idea :)
15:18 mtompset Isn't that a bad thing (tm), drojf?
15:18 mtompset (the full disk)
15:18 slef And while I'm asking, can we have openID login back on the wiki, someone (anyone) please?
15:19 drojf mtompset: kind of. also it just restarted indexing after that. i'm not sure that makes sense ;)
15:19 mtompset oooo... filling hard drive during a reindex. sounds really bad.
15:20 mtompset Greetings, drojf kf
15:21 drojf has -z always been default for koha-rebuild-zebra? i can't get around it, i had to comment it out in the script. i think this vm is getting weirder every day
15:21 mtompset So, has anyone had time to look at bug 10454 and tell me how bad (or good) it is? :)
15:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated
15:24 drojf mtompset: do you see a comment?
15:25 mtompset Not since Galen's, no. :(
15:26 drojf then i guess you have the answer to your question :P
15:27 gmcharlt did somethign happen to break git bz?
15:27 pianohacker bz upgrade
15:27 gmcharlt pianohacker: known fix?
15:28 drojf gmcharlt: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6
15:28 pianohacker fishsoup branch
15:28 wahanui i guess fishsoup branch is much nicer anyway.
15:28 pianohacker exactly! When wahanui isn't staring in my window at night, breathing heavily, he agrees with me and is therefore good
15:29 gmcharlt thanks
15:29 oleonard git bz problem?
15:29 wahanui You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
15:33 * gmcharlt sends note to koha-devel
15:33 pianohacker gmcharlt++
15:34 kf gmcharlt++
15:35 drojf so i had 12 rebuild_zebra processes running. lol
15:35 * drojf wants his mummy
15:36 * gmcharlt shivers
15:36 gmcharlt hopefully no gas masks are involved!
15:36 drojf i'm not going to tell you :D
15:39 gmcharlt heh
15:40 oleonard gmcharlt has spoiled our closely-kept git-bz secrets.
15:40 drojf OMG now everybody can become a developer /o\
15:41 gmcharlt ZOMG nothing whatsoever has changed in how we operate here! ;)
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15:45 rural So we have spent a couple of work days setting up and familiarizing ourselves with Koha. It seems to fit our needs nicely. Our complements to everyone involved in the project.
15:45 drojf rural: nice :)
15:45 kf :)
15:45 kf rural: where are you from? :)
15:45 slef rural: you mean you're sending urbans to everyone, or did you mean compliments? ;-)
15:45 drojf i wonder if unstaging 40k records would be less annoying if the progress bar worked
15:45 slef (I'm guessing urban is the complement of rural...)
15:46 rural We're from rural Alberta. A small Catholic school division.
15:46 slef drojf: no. It would show 90% done for all of it.
15:46 kf welcome to the community :)
15:46 kf we are quite international, so always interesting to hear where someone actually is  :)
15:46 rural I actually took a stab at this a couple of years ago. It worked, but politics prevented the project from moving forward.
15:46 rural But we're having a heck of a time changing the logos.
15:46 drojf slef: maybe we could replace the progress bar then. maybe with a choice of movies to watch while waiting ;)
15:48 rural Is it correct that we have to change the settings for opacsmallimage and opacheader?
15:48 rural 'cause we've done that.
15:48 rural But it doesn't go.
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15:50 oleonard rural: opacsmallimage is the setting to change if you want to swap out the Koha logo
15:50 drojf i heard about this guy that does some kind of web stuff that has a blog about these things
15:50 rural At least we're in the right place then.
15:51 rural We've read a couple of blog entries on it.
15:51 rural The settings apply, but the logo doesn't change.
15:51 rural We'll keep hammering on it.
15:51 kf hm
15:51 oleonard rural: Is your OPAC online where we can see it?
15:52 kf koha 3.12 has broken umlauts in the patron search
15:52 kf ok, just a note, will file a bug later :)
15:52 drojf rural: have you cleared the cache?
15:52 rural oleanard: It might be.
15:52 rural drojf: Obvious!
15:53 rural Well... We feel dumb.
15:54 slef rural: dumb will probably like that... ;-)
15:56 rural In other news: We tried Evergreen before Koha. Fought with that for at least a week before someone recommended Koha here on IRC.
15:56 kf I thnk the logo problem is solvable :)
15:56 kf what did you enter into opacsmallimage? a complete url?
15:57 kf does the logo show up when try to access the logo from that url in your browser?
15:57 rural Our problem was that we were expecting the logo to change on the same page that we were changing the OPAC settings.
15:57 kf is the koha logo still showing? or did it vanish?
15:57 rural kf: It's all good. We just weren't looking at the page where the change was applied.
15:58 drojf happens all the time
16:03 kf oleonard: i know it's a very dark place...
16:03 kf but could yo umaybe take a look at the display problem witht he item form in acq?
16:03 oleonard Remind me what the problem is?
16:04 kf trying tor find the bug sec
16:04 kf bug 10475
16:04 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly
16:05 kf it used to work in 3.6.... but something must have changed and now shrinking the form to a usable size is not really working
16:08 kf I linked to a similar problem we had before
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16:22 drojf wow that is ridiculous. it would be faster to setup a new dev VM than undoing the import of 40k records
16:23 drojf and if its not done soon i have to do it all again since i have to leave
16:25 jcamins Out of curiosity, why didn't you just delete all the records from the DB, if the VM is underpowered?
16:25 jcamins If there are only ~40k records in the database it would make more sense to reindex when you're done anyway.
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16:26 drojf because there were other imports that i wanted to keep. and i did not think it would take hours
16:27 jcamins Ah.
16:28 drojf but yes, i think that is an option if it won't suddenly stop within the next ~5 minutes
16:29 jcamins I'd just like to point out this is what happens if you run a VM on your Raspberry Pi. Things take a long time. :P
16:30 drojf lol
16:30 * druthb hands jcamins the "Capt. Obvious" badge.
16:30 drojf it i snot a vm on the pi ;)
16:30 drojf is not
16:31 drojf but it feels like it was
16:32 drojf if i want to do it in sql, do i simply truncate the biblio, biblioitems, items tables?
16:33 jcamins Yeah. Or do a DELETE on biblio that deletes all biblios that were added by the batch in question.
16:34 jcamins I used to do that when I was developing on a VM.
16:34 jcamins Now that I have a server, there's no need.
16:34 drojf raspberry pi server? :P
16:34 slef drojf: you snotted a vm onto the pi? Talented nose!
16:34 jcamins Real server, TYVM.
16:35 jcamins Well, VM on a real server.
16:35 drojf slef: lol no i did not
16:35 pianohacker my goodness, slef. Hi there!
16:35 slef pianohacker: ?
16:35 pianohacker it's been a while. hello
16:35 slef pianohacker: hello. It's summer here, you know. I was out visiting Spain and riding bikes silly distances.
16:36 slef well I say Spain, I mean Catalonia
16:36 pianohacker that sounds amazing
16:36 slef pianohacker: I think it's https://friends.mayfirst.org/profile/mjray if you want to stalk me more
16:37 pianohacker yay stalking! What else have you been up to?
16:38 drojf when i logged into mysql koha got so afraid that suddenly "Success: Import reversed"
16:39 pianohacker oh no here come da feds run away
16:40 * drojf heads home
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17:02 oleonard kf: Bug 10475 ready for signoff
17:03 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly
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17:16 kf oleonard: awesome!
17:16 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, kf
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17:20 kf oleonard++
17:22 kf oleonard: what was the problem?
17:23 oleonard I don't think that particular page ever worked correctly. The template modified for Bug 7116 was a different one.
17:23 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields
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17:27 kf oleonard: hm, yes, but we are using this with 3.6 and it didn't show the gaps there
17:27 kf maybe something else changes
17:27 kf changed
17:29 oleonard Yes, the addition of services/itemrecorddisplay.pl
17:29 kf aah
17:29 kf yeah that would be a big something :)
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18:11 kf bye all
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18:26 pianohacker Does anyone know of a reliable source for whether `date` is an SQL 92 keyword?
18:26 pianohacker It's not an MS-SQL or MySQL keyword, but that's all I've confirmed
18:30 mtompset I think it may be.
18:30 mtompset http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-92.bnf.html
18:31 mtompset Hope that helps, pianohacker. :)
18:31 jcamins pianohacker: according to this page on MSDN, ODBC and SQL-92 have the same reserved keywords, and DATE is one of them: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-u[…]07(v=SQL.80).aspx
18:31 pianohacker mtompset: I found that, and it seemed handy, but thank you. I wish there was a less-thirdhand source though
18:32 pianohacker hrm. Time to find an alternative
18:32 pianohacker SQL has such a huge goddamned reserved word list that latin seems like a reasonable alternative...
18:34 pianohacker Anyone know of a good synonym for `date`, as in, the date when a calendar event occurs?
18:34 pianohacker vague, I know, but that's the context
18:36 jwagner pianohacker --EventDate?
18:37 pianohacker that's probably what I'll go with, yeah
18:37 pianohacker also, hey jwagner :)
18:37 druthb WhatDateDidItHappen?  :P
18:37 jwagner hey there, how are things going?
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18:38 pianohacker Good! Enjoying another summer working on Koha
18:38 mtompset juncture? occasion?
18:38 jwagner Always fun....
18:38 pianohacker at_what_date_does_this_event_occur_​singly_without_repetition_good_chap
18:39 jwagner gotta run, bye
18:39 mtompset happenstance for repeating events? ;)
18:40 pianohacker heh :)
18:40 pianohacker http://www.addedbytes.com/blog[…]php-were-british/
18:55 mtompset Hmmm... the $VERSION in BEGIN blocks in perl code... that sets the version of the code represented by the current file?
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19:00 pianohacker mtompset: yeah, for that module only
19:01 pianohacker according to the coding guidelines, though, it's not something we're worrying about as of 3.12
19:02 mtompset Oh right. I should review those, since my patch for SAML I'm working on is bigger than my usual bug fixes.
19:12 mtompset guidelines?
19:12 mtompset coding guidelines?
19:12 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines
19:14 mtompset oh... it would seem my temporary sample patch fails the guidelines for bug 10454... I just called it UID. I didn't call it cardnumber_sequence_id.
19:14 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated
19:22 mtompset Hmmm... Don't fully like perltidy.
19:23 rangi just as well you dont have to
19:23 mtompset Perl2: use Modern::Perl; is used instead of use strict; use warnings;?
19:23 rangi its there to be consistent not liked :)
19:24 mtompset I like, for example, wasting vertical space on my variable declarations so I can add, remove variables without affecting other lines. :)
19:25 rangi yep, but the point of coding guidelines is consistency, not perfection :)
19:30 rangi http://york23thingsblog.blogsp[…]mmons-images.html
19:30 rangi handy for presentations
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19:50 bag search?
19:50 wahanui i guess search is for the patrons not the librarians
19:51 bag zebra?
19:51 wahanui somebody said zebra was a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
19:52 cait rangi: cool :)
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20:20 * rangi goes to take kids to school
20:23 druthb bag?
20:23 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
20:23 druthb lulz.
20:23 pianohacker bahahahaha
20:23 druthb wahanui:  pianohacker?
20:23 wahanui i heard pianohacker was a brilliant young whooper-snapper.
20:24 * druthb keeps waiting for some grammar-nazi who doesn't speak Southern English to modify that.
20:24 pianohacker here, if we're going for defining characteristics
20:24 pianohacker forget pianohacker
20:24 wahanui pianohacker: I forgot pianohacker
20:24 pianohacker pianohacker is <reply>I HATE XML
20:24 pianohacker pianohacker?
20:24 wahanui I HATE XML
20:24 druthb druthb?
20:24 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
20:24 pianohacker yup, all's well and correct
20:28 mtompset Why do you hate XML, pianohacker?
20:29 pianohacker every technologist needs an irrational, deep-seated hatred
20:31 mtompset I'll grant you that, but why XML?
20:31 mtompset Why not be more fundamental and hate SGML? :P
20:31 pianohacker but more seriously, I see it used in far too many applications where its syntax, conceptual model and programmatic access are not only bad fits but worse fits than many other alternatives
20:32 mtompset Ah, but then you don't really hate XML, but rather the dumb bosses that only know of XML and think that is the solution to everything. :P
20:33 pianohacker XSLT, for example, is an awesome technology hampered by an incredibly clumsy syntax
20:33 pianohacker Well, yeah, but that's like saying I don't hate Ford Pintos except for the people that keep filling them with gas and letting other people crash into them
20:34 mtompset Right, in which case you actually hate the people who crash into the Pintos. :P
20:34 * druthb wonders if she has any irrational deep-seated hatreds, or has simply grown too old and tired to have the energy to hate anything.
20:34 pianohacker heh
20:35 pianohacker nah, hatred's the realm of people too young to have anything better to do
20:35 mtompset True, and hate is a very consuming emotion.
20:35 mtompset I would rather say I love flat text files over an RDBMS. :P
20:36 mtompset Than say that I hate a particular RDBMS. :)
20:37 bag alright I've tried everything I can think of…  I can even search my indexes from yaz-client but I just can't get the staff-client or the opac to search my indexes
20:37 bag I'm open for any ideas at all :)
20:38 cait are there any errors when you try searching?
20:38 cait in the logs?
20:39 bag I will look in the logs again
20:47 bag weird = select * from systempreferences where variable = 'SearchEngine';
20:47 bag Empty set (0.00 sec)
20:47 bag hmmm….  why would that be missing :)
20:49 cait i don't know
20:50 cait but it doesn't sound right
20:50 cait have you checked the syspref?
20:51 bag cait I'm saying the sys pref is not in my database :P
20:53 cait problem solved then? :)
20:55 bag we will see :D
21:13 rangi back
21:16 bag welcome back rangi
21:23 tcohen hi rango
21:23 tcohen rangi
21:24 tcohen heh
21:24 tcohen i took the tiem to watch Rango after wizzy's joke
21:24 trea that movie is crazy
21:26 tcohen rangi: thanks for signing es stuff
21:29 rangi no worries
21:29 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
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21:47 gmcharlt @qutoe random
21:47 huginn gmcharlt: I suck
21:47 gmcharlt @quote random
21:47 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011)
21:53 gml hello, plz anyone could answer: after some months of operation time, what are the tables in Koha whose data size increase more fastly?
21:54 cait action_logs maybe, sessions maybe if you don't purge it using the cronjob
21:55 tcohen zebraqueue
21:55 wahanui hmmm... zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes.
21:56 tcohen and session
22:00 tcohen rangi, could yo ucheck the structure i created for the release maintainance wiki? am i missing smth?
22:01 tcohen release maintainance?
22:01 tcohen release maintenance?
22:01 wahanui i heard release maintenance was http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]lease_maintenance
22:01 gml cait tcohen: I'll take it in account, thx :)
22:01 tcohen was cait around? hi cait
22:01 rangi when i get a chance ill take a look
22:01 rangi gml: statistics
22:01 wahanui it has been said that statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that.
22:03 cait hey tcohen :)
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22:06 cait tcohen++
22:06 cait documentation! :)
22:06 eythian hi
22:06 cait hi eythian
22:08 tcohen hi eythian
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22:55 jcamins This just in! Facebook recording excessive amounts of users' personal information!
22:56 cait left #koha
22:56 jcamins Gosh that is so... unsurprising.
22:56 gmcharlt and in further news, most cats like tuna
22:56 rangi heh, has that come out again?
22:56 eythian wahanui: breaking news
22:56 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
22:57 eythian I feel there needs to be a factoid there, but I don't know what.
22:57 eythian wahanui: status
22:57 wahanui Since Mon May 13 00:02:56 2013, there have been 1465 modifications and 467 questions.  I have been awake for 43 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, 13 seconds this session, and currently reference 29972 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
22:57 rangi oh jcamins and gmcharlt you will appreciate this one
22:57 rangi bibframe mailing list?
22:57 wahanui https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfr[…]03089_animate.gif
22:57 jcamins lol
22:57 gmcharlt rangi++
22:58 tcohen heh
22:58 tcohen question: should I avoid disclosing information on the server layout?
22:58 tcohen writing the uploading and header.html fixing step
22:59 rangi hmm?
22:59 jcamins tcohen: does it include secret e-mail addresses and unlisted phone numbers?
22:59 gmcharlt tcohen: I see no harm in writing it down
22:59 rangi yeah
22:59 tcohen i was asking just in case
22:59 rangi the wiki page looks good to me
23:00 tcohen i almost finished documenting the release maintenance process
23:00 tcohen (itsfar from perfect obviously)
23:01 tcohen i'm missing the gpg send-keys step, but i think is out from the scope of the document
23:02 jcamins gpg send-keys step?
23:02 rangi remind me to sign your key at kohacon
23:02 tcohen ack rangi
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23:44 tcohen it took me two vacuum bottles of mate to write that docs!
23:45 eythian I don't know what that means.
23:46 tcohen how do u call that recipient you'd use to maintain water hot?
23:47 jcamins Kettle?
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23:47 eythian oh. flask I guess. vacuum flask if you are being specific.
23:47 jcamins Oh.
23:47 jcamins I see.
23:47 eythian I also don't know what 'mate' is :)
23:48 jcamins It's a type of tea.
23:48 jcamins I've never had it.
23:48 ibeardslee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) ?
23:48 eythian oh, also "thermos" which I assume was a brand name.
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