Time  Nick         Message
00:50 dcook        http://www.cafekoha.com/
00:50 dcook        Seems like they have capitalization issues too
00:54 dcook        https://www.facebook.com/pages/Koha-Community-Cafe/323847370751
00:59 dcook        http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/koha
01:00 dcook        I might be doing a Google search for Koha and filtering out the main Koha ILS sites...:p
01:01 rangi        :)
02:36 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
05:15 cait         good morning #koha
05:17 dac          morning cait
05:17 dac          @wunder konstanz
05:17 cait         morning dac
05:18 huginn       dac: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
05:18 cait         heh thx
05:18 dac          @wunder sydney, australia
05:18 huginn       dac: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 14.0°C (3:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
05:18 dac          That weather of yours is so bizarre
05:18 cait         is it?
05:18 dcook        Weren't you having days that were 18 degrees at this same time?
05:19 cait         22 i think
05:19 cait         yeah it has cooled down quite a bit
05:20 eythian      hello cait
05:20 wahanui      hello cait are you here?
05:20 eythian      @wunder nzwn
05:21 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
05:22 cait         hi eythian
05:35 mtompset     Greetings, cait eythian druthb.
05:35 cait         hi mtompset
05:35 druthb       Hi, mtompset! :)
05:35 mtompset     I really should get some sleep. :)
05:36 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :)
05:42 * druthb     should probably go to bed, but having had a nap earlier, probably would not sleep much
06:07 cait         druthb?
06:07 wahanui      Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
06:08 cait         hm. she finally went to bed that is :)
06:14 magnuse      kia ora #koha!
06:15 magnuse      eythian: still around?
06:30 cait         kia ora magnuse
06:44 reiveune     hello
06:44 wahanui      que tal, reiveune
07:08 kf           Hi again #koha
07:09 christophe_c hello #koha
07:10 magnuse      bonjour!
07:10 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:10 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:10 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:10 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:10 magnuse      :-)
07:20 kf           hi christophe_c :)
07:21 christophe_c bonjour kf ;-)
07:22 christophe_c hello magnuse, yes not so hot in Marseille, but blue sky ..;-)
07:26 kf           blue sky here too and fresh air after the rain
07:27 magnuse      beautiful night here last night: sun, absolutely no wind, warm... until some fog drifted in around midnight. today is grey, though
07:29 gaetan_B     hello
07:29 wahanui      bidet, gaetan_B
07:40 * dcook      thinks his toes migiht be made of ice
07:40 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
07:40 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (5:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:40 dcook        I swear huginn's lying.
07:40 wizzyrea     toes made of ice at 14. You are funny.
07:40 dcook        Or maybe I secretly work in a freezer...
07:40 dcook        I think it's actually warmer outside
07:41 dcook        -30 at Christmas felt warmer than this
07:41 kf           @wunder Konstanz
07:41 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (9:40 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:41 dcook        Well...maybe not quite
07:41 kf           hi wizzyrea
07:41 kf           dcook: i think the weather is quite nice :)
07:41 kf           but my coworkers disagree
07:42 dcook        Maybe I should reserve my complaining until my appendages start actually falling off
07:42 dcook        Actually, at the moment, I think it's time for cheap food and bad movies
07:42 wizzyrea     @wunder nzwn
07:42 huginn       wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
07:42 * wizzyrea   nods
07:42 wizzyrea     it's chillyish
07:43 wizzyrea     hi kf
07:43 wizzyrea     :)
07:43 dcook        @wunder david's office
07:43 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Coldwater, Michigan is 19.0°C (3:35 AM EDT on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:43 dcook        ...
07:43 dcook        I...
07:43 magnuse      lol
07:44 dcook        I think I might just quit while I'm ahead
07:44 dcook        Have a good evening/night/morning/afternoon, everyone :)
07:49 magnuse      so when the wmu.se people talk about "live availability and location lookups performed asynchronously through the  koha-restful  api", does that mean they use the rest code from biblibre? ( http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=summary )
07:51 rangi        perhaps
07:51 rangi        you'd have to ask them
07:51 magnuse      yup
07:52 magnuse      but is there anything restful in koha today for querying item availability?
07:52 rangi        not truly restful no
07:53 rangi        you could do it with the ils-di
07:53 rangi        but its not really restful
07:53 rangi        however people say restful a lot, when they just mean a web based api
07:53 magnuse      yup
07:54 magnuse      and yes, there is the GetAvailability call in ILS-DI, nice
08:02 jajm         magnuse, if you really need to get availability in a restful way, feel free to add this feature to koha-restful ;) it's also on github https://github.com/clrh/koha-restful (but maybe not up-to-date)
08:05 magnuse      jajm: i don't need it at the moment, i'm just curious :-)
08:05 magnuse      jajm: does that mean koha-restful does not support availability at the moment?
08:08 jajm         magnuse, no it doesn't. you can look at the API in Koha::REST::Dispatch (http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=blob;f=Koha/REST/Dispatch.pm;hb=HEAD)
08:09 magnuse      ah, thanks
08:09 magnuse      anyway, i sent a couple questions to the wmu.se people on the list, hope they'll answer :-)
08:39 rangi        magnuse:
08:39 rangi        self check?
08:39 wahanui      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4
08:42 magnuse      lol
08:42 kf           magnuse: that's what I meant yesterday :)
08:44 magnuse      ah
09:06 magnuse      wow, books with two barcodes
09:06 magnuse      @quote get 123
09:06 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
09:06 huginn       magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:10 rangi        2 barcodes is pretty special
09:23 magnuse      hm, something weird with the 942$2 field in the cataloguing screen in marc21?
09:23 wizzyrea     define weird
09:24 magnuse      when i look at the marc view there is no 942 tag at all, but when i go to edit the record it shows "ddc" as selected for 942$2
09:24 magnuse      (it's MARC, so it's weird by definition, i know...)
09:25 magnuse      s/no 942 tag/no 942 tag in the records i'm looking at/
09:25 magnuse      i think it should display the first, empty option when the record has no info in 942
09:26 magnuse      the way it seems to work now, 942$2 = ddc will be added to all records i edit, unless i remember to go to the 9 tab and choose the empty option
09:32 gaetan_B     anyone knowledgeable with SIP around here ?
09:32 gaetan_B     i just learnt you can create a new item through this protocol
09:32 gaetan_B     i have no idea how koha would behave in this case or if this is supported at all actually
09:33 kf           magnuse: system preference
09:33 wahanui      system preference is probably ReservesMaxPickUpDelay
09:33 kf           magnuse: look for classification in the system preferences - we just changed that in one of our installations like 5 min ago :)
09:34 kf           gaetan_B: i think not supported
09:34 kf           gaetan_B: it sounds a bit strange too actually - what's the use case?
09:34 kf           gaetan_B: koha has other ways you can add items, via the restful api I think
09:34 wizzyrea     I don't know of any koha library adding items that way
09:34 wizzyrea     @quote get 123
09:34 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:34 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
09:35 rangi        gaetan_B: its an extension, not part of the standard spec
09:35 gaetan_B     ok thanks, we won't use it then
09:35 rangi        however it is part of standard ncip
09:36 gaetan_B     kf: in this case someone would be in charge of putting the tags on the books, they would then be created in the system, after that, the person in charge of the cataloguing would just look up the correct tag, find the item and edit its metadata in the software
09:37 wizzyrea     that sounds like extra work
09:37 magnuse      kf:  DefaultClassificationSource - thanks!
09:38 kf           gaetan_B: hm have never heard of doing it that way
09:38 kf           I think here they either convert (have already a barcode that is then written on the tag) or they work with the ILS
09:38 gaetan_B     me neither, also you would end up creating a lot of empty bibliographic records for data that you might already have
09:39 kf           and how would sip know which record to attach the item to?
09:39 kf           doesn't sound like a big win to me
09:39 gaetan_B     exactly it doesn't
09:39 gaetan_B     to me neither
09:39 rangi        the problem with SIP2
09:39 rangi        is it isnt a ratified standard
09:39 wizzyrea     you'd be better off sequencing your RFID tags, adding multiple copies
09:39 rangi        so you can do anything, or nothing
09:39 rangi        and still call it sip2
09:39 wizzyrea     then handing that off to the cataloguer
09:40 rangi        which is why ncip was created
09:40 wizzyrea     This sheet of tags was added with numbers 1-10, they are in these books, here you go
09:40 wizzyrea     sheet, roll, however they are delivered.
09:41 wizzyrea     dunno seems... silly
09:41 magnuse      wasn't there some library that was in a hurry to add ncip to koha? or am i confusing things?
09:41 wizzyrea     this sounds like a library that was talked into some technology and now has to figure out how to make the investment worthwhile
09:41 rangi        masscat
09:49 magnuse      rangi: yup "We intend to have this coded and fully tested by the end of July 2013"
09:49 * magnuse    wonders how that is going
09:56 * kf         kinda doubts that the timeline
10:05 * magnuse    keeps his fingers crossed
10:06 * magnuse    goes looking for lunch
10:06 gaetan_B     anyone ever had an error like "Completely confused parametrizing -- msgid:" when running translate install ?
10:10 kf           hm yes
10:10 kf           sometiems a tempate problem, or a string weirdly translated maybe
10:13 gaetan_B     the incriminated part seems to be this :
10:13 gaetan_B     meh
10:13 gaetan_B     can't copy and paste from vim
10:17 gaetan_B     well i solved it by removing a lonely %, but i get an even more cryptic error now: "Syck parser (line 300, column -1): syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/YAML/Syck.pm line 126, <$fh> line 1."
10:40 kf           gaetan_B: hm maybe the pref file
10:40 kf           that is using yam
10:40 kf           ö
10:40 kf           yaml
10:40 gaetan_B     well sophie_m has tried on another instance and has no error
10:40 gaetan_B     so i guess the files are ok now actually
10:40 gaetan_B     i think i will try installing them on their server now
10:41 gaetan_B     maybe that will work better than on my local instance
10:42 gaetan_B     ah
10:42 gaetan_B     yes that's where the problem is coming from :)
10:43 gaetan_B     alle klar now it seems
10:43 gaetan_B     +s
10:44 gaetan_B     kf:  there's some metadata at the beginning of the po file, how important is that ?
10:45 gaetan_B     also, where do you define what will show up in the link at the bottom to choose the language ?
10:45 gaetan_B     right now the code we picked for the language shows up, instead of the name of the language
10:45 kf           gaetan_B: that's in a database table
10:46 kf           language_descriptions or similar
10:46 kf           it's installed with the web installer, probably you need to add a frew lines there
10:46 gaetan_B     ok i will have a look, thanks :)
10:50 drojf        hi #koha
10:52 kf           hi drojf
10:52 drojf        hi kf
10:52 drojf        how are things in kohaland?
10:53 rangi        bibframe mailing list?
10:53 wahanui      https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1372102329503089_animate.gif
10:54 drojf        looks like a fun place :D
10:55 rangi        that was exactly my reaction when i tried reading some of the messages
10:55 rangi        we are all doooomed
10:55 wizzyrea     lol
10:55 wizzyrea     and ... urgh
10:57 drojf        oh, it's a new marc. LOL
10:58 magnuse      never mind bibframe, take a look at https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf instead
10:58 drojf        so marc could be even better? yay! :P
10:59 drojf        rangi: http://listserv.loc.gov/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1306&L=bibframe&T=0&P=11233 ;)
11:01 magnuse      drojf: nope, MARC will never get better (at least not before it is dead and buried). but there are alternatives out there!
11:07 Viktor       Hi! Just found out that our "more than one barcode" thing is odd :)
11:09 Viktor       But not unique to this library. What's happened is that books have largely been sold with barcodes on the inside of the back cover. The library/libraries have then added one on the back for easy access so I think it's something that future migrations here might experience too.
11:10 magnuse      hehe
11:10 magnuse      Viktor: *i* didn't say it was you ;-)
11:10 Viktor       Question is if we can make barcode a repeatable field in the future while just storing in some junk field of MARC for now :) What say ye?
11:11 Viktor       magnuse LOL I appreciate it :)
11:11 drojf        won't most of koha implode if we had multiple barcodes?
11:12 khall        rangi: any idea if we'll get the ability to attach patches with git-bz back?
11:12 gaetan_B     hmm what's with the id column in language_descriptions ? schema.koha-community.org says it's linked to acquisitions somehow ?
11:12 Viktor       drojf That's what I wonder. In my view multiple barcodes should be no problem at all, but I don't look in the plumbing of Koha.
11:12 gaetan_B     isn't that really wrong ?
11:13 drojf        khall: we can't attach patches anymore?
11:13 magnuse      gaetan_B: maybe acq is using the language codes?
11:13 gaetan_B     http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/language_descriptions.html
11:14 gaetan_B     this looks as if there's a confusion between basket group's ids and languages
11:14 khall        drojf: I haven't been able to since rangi upgraded bugzilla over the weekend
11:14 khall        and at least on other person has reported the same
11:14 gaetan_B     or, the tool that generates the schema gets confused because the columns have the same name
11:16 drojf        khall: oh that does not sound good. i was hoping to do a signoff or two later, i guess i will find out if it works for me
11:16 khall        yeah, please let us know if it works for you or not!
11:17 drojf        khall: will do
11:22 magnuse      khall: do you get an error?
11:23 khall        magnuse: yes, I get a lot of html from bugzilla, then:
11:23 khall        Failed to attach patch to bug 10277, status=200
11:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10277 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add C4::Context->IsSuperLibrarian()
11:24 magnuse      khall: ah, not good! does the html look like it has something to do with authentication?
11:25 khall        one sec
11:26 khall        http://pastebin.com/FWxUJnGQ
11:29 magnuse      heh, the title of the page is "suspicious action" - could this be the nsa interfering? ;-)
11:29 magnuse      It looks like you didn't come from the right page (you have no valid token for
11:29 magnuse      the <em>create_attachment</em> action while processing the
11:29 magnuse      'attachment.cgi' script)
11:30 khall        my guess is the method git bz used for attaching has changed between the previous version and the current version.
11:30 khall        so it probably means git bz needs updated before it will work again
11:31 khall        either that or the api needs enabled by updating a library
11:31 khall        The diff tool was disabled after the upgrade until I asked rangi to update the library it uses, then it came back
11:35 jcamins      khall: did you update git-bz?
11:35 jcamins      If you use the fishsoup branch in git.k-c.org, apparently it works.
11:35 khall        I'll try that one, thanks!
11:39 khall        jcamins: fishsoup confirmed as working!
11:44 nengard      i came in at a strange time ... fishsoup? :)
11:49 magnuse      nengard: lol
11:50 magnuse      it's a branch in the git-bz repo on git.k-c.org
11:50 magnuse      named after the website that originally published git-bz, i think
11:55 nengard      okey dokey
12:21 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:21 nengard      morning oleonard
13:08 aalex        Hello
13:08 wahanui      kai ora, aalex
13:08 aalex        Where can I find a general diagram that explains the overview of the system components within Koha?
13:08 aalex        Like a 1-pager PDF.
13:09 jcamins      I don't think there really is one, though I would love to learn that I am wrong.
13:10 drojf        what do you mean by system components?
13:10 aalex        I am looking up the manual.pdf, but it is rather text-oriented.
13:10 aalex        drojf, well, some kind of a high-level UML class diagram.
13:10 aalex        drojf, but at this scale, one cannot see all the classes involved.
13:11 aalex        drojf, so it's more about packages - in a C++-way.
13:11 aalex        (or Java)
13:12 aalex        Maybe there is a wiki page that list all the components?
13:13 jcamins      You can check the wiki, but I've never seen aything like that.
13:13 jcamins      If you produce a diagram like that, please put it on the wiki for others with similar needs.
13:13 aalex        sure
13:13 aalex        I usually use Dia for this kind of work.
13:14 jcamins      Out of curiosity, what is your end goal with this diagram?
13:16 jcamins      Perhaps there is something else already available that will help you accomplish it.
13:16 aalex        Hmm, maybe this page gives me what I want: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/
13:17 aalex        jcamins, oh, I just want to get a clear view of all it can do. I am getting ready for a job interview. :)
13:17 jcamins      Ah.
13:17 drojf        but that's just the perl part. and not very diagramy
13:17 jcamins      The POD is probably not going to help you understand the gestalt of the system.
13:17 aalex        drojf, what are the non-perl parts? desktop applications in Java, right?
13:17 jcamins      Unfortunately.
13:17 drojf        aalex: there is no java
13:17 jcamins      Nope, no desktop application, and nothing in Java.
13:18 oleonard     Thank goodness.
13:18 drojf        and no desktop application. it's webbased
13:18 aalex        oh, so what other languages, then?
13:18 jcamins      oleonard: amen!
13:18 drojf        you will find html, css, javascript, sql…
13:18 aalex        yeah, Java is kind of too much to type.
13:18 jcamins      The interface is all written in Template::Toolkit, and most of the actual pages will not have POD.
13:18 aalex        oh that, but that doesn't count ;-)
13:19 oleonard     Did anyone figure out what's up with git-bz attachments failing?
13:19 drojf        oleonard: something about eat ,ore fishsoup
13:19 drojf        more
13:20 oleonard     So I can't eat this sandwich for lunch?
13:20 drojf        sure you can
13:20 aalex        jcamins, what is POD? (sorry)
13:20 drojf        just add fishsoup to it
13:20 drojf        :)
13:20 jcamins      aalex: Plain Old Documentation ( =perldoc)
13:20 jcamins      oleonard: you need to use the git-bz from the fishsoup branch on git.k-c.org.
13:20 drojf        the git-bz on git.k-c.org has a branch called fishsoup
13:21 jcamins      wahanui: git bz problem is <reply> You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
13:21 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
13:21 jcamins      git bz problem?
13:21 wahanui      You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
13:21 oleonard     And it's called fishsoup because git + bugs = fish soup.
13:22 druthb       >.<
13:22 drojf        opacsuppression still only suppresses the zebra part and i can directly access the biblio if i know the number, right?
13:22 jcamins      oleonard: the original author is fishsoup.
13:22 jcamins      drojf: I think so.
13:22 magnuse      aalex: i'd say if you want to know what koha can do, the documentation is your best bet
13:23 drojf        jcamins: ok. i think that should be changed…
13:23 magnuse      aalex: it's organized by "functional modules", not code modules
13:24 drojf        basically koha is just Search.pm with some stuff around it :P
13:24 jcamins      drojf: yes, probably.
13:24 * druthb     offers drojf a cookie.
13:24 drojf        cookie \o/
13:25 magnuse      "it's just a database, with crazy rules"
13:25 druthb       lol
13:25 drojf        i guess our legal department agrees. with the opacsuppression thing, and maybe also with the cookie part
13:25 aalex        magnuse, yes, I think you are right. And just checking the screenshots gives me a rather good idea on the scale of the software.
13:26 magnuse      mind you, the database is kind of crazy too, at times :-) http://schema.koha-community.org/
13:28 aalex        magnuse, does it have a graphical representation of these tables?
13:28 aalex        a UML database diagram
13:29 magnuse      aalex: no, i don't think so
13:29 magnuse      someone tried to create something like that a while back i think, but ran out of space to draw in..
13:30 oleonard     Mmm... fish soup. Reminds me of Marseille.
13:31 drojf        lol magnuse
13:32 magnuse      there is some stuff here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_Schema but apart from the links to http://schema.koha-community.org/ it is partial and outdated
13:38 nengard      speaking of the schema ... it was last updated in Sept 2012 ... how do we get a new version pulled out there?
13:38 nengard      I know there are new tables and more documentation now
13:39 aalex        magnuse, ah! thank you!!
13:39 jcamins      nengard: it is a manual process apparently, so it has to wait on when rangi has enough time.
13:39 nengard      k
13:39 nengard      so never ever again :) hehe
13:39 aalex        so, I am going for the interview. :)
13:40 aalex        I might hang out on this channel more often in the few years... we'll see.
13:40 magnuse      aalex: fingers cossed!
13:41 aalex        hehe
13:42 magnuse      MARC view in the OPAC seems to display fields in a weird order - anyone else seen that? (where weird = e.g. 000, 001, 081, 250, 100, 245, 886, 942)
13:43 jcamins      magnuse: it displays them in the order they are in the record.
13:44 magnuse      but when i export marcxml they are in the order i expect
13:45 jcamins      I think the export reorders the fields.
13:45 jcamins      I seem to recall problems with that at some point.
13:46 magnuse      ah
13:47 drojf        is the order supposed to be significant (from a marc standard point of view)?
13:47 jcamins      Yes.
13:47 jcamins      And it is not supposed to be numeric the way Koha insists on making it.
13:48 magnuse      but the marcxml import has the fields in the order i expect (rising numbers)
13:49 jcamins      Yes, that's why it's a problem.
13:49 pastebot     "magnuse" at pasted "record before import" (86 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/84
13:49 jcamins      Oh, in that case, I don't know.
13:49 jcamins      Sounds like that's a different bug than the one that I meant to report but never did.
13:49 magnuse      that paste v.s. this: http://hylte.demo.bibkat.se/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=768
13:50 jcamins      There is _also_ a bug where the MARCXML export from Koha has the fields reordered in the wrong order.
13:50 jcamins      (i.e. numeric)
13:50 jcamins      Is that the entire file?
13:51 jcamins      Because that is completely invalid MARCXML.
13:51 magnuse      i don't really care about the order (life is too short... :-) but the records where i have seen the order being out of um order seem to have some other problems too, so i wonder if they are related
13:51 magnuse      jcamins: nope, that is just the one record
13:51 jcamins      I'm surprised the import didn't just die.
13:51 * jcamins    would die, if he were a MARCXML parser.
13:52 magnuse      hm, did i double paste?
13:52 jcamins      Oh... maybe?
13:52 wahanui      it has been said that maybe is a momentaneous error
13:52 jcamins      I see two leaders, two 001s, and the end of a second record at the bottom.
13:53 magnuse      this is part of the file i imported: http://paste.koha-community.org/85
13:53 magnuse      yeah, that must have been me mis-pasting
13:53 magnuse      jcamins: see paste #85
13:54 jcamins      What's that 84?
13:54 jcamins      (not paste 84, but the number 84 in the middle)
13:56 drojf        jcamins: and you were saying you are no marcxml parser?
13:56 pastebot     "magnuse" at pasted "imported record, take 3" (43 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86
13:57 magnuse      wow, i think it's time i called it a day
13:57 magnuse      the 84 is not there in the file i imported
13:57 jcamins      OMG! I've been living a lie! I am not a person, I'm a MARCXML parser!
13:57 magnuse      hm, that would explain a lot of things...
13:57 magnuse      ;-)
13:58 jcamins      lol
13:58 jcamins      Odd. I don't see anything wrong with that record.
13:58 drojf        i'm less surprised than i should be ;)
14:03 drojf        wie lang urlaubt es?
14:03 drojf        wrong window
14:04 jcamins      [off] Ich habe nicht einen Urlaub, Sie unempfindlich Scholle!
14:04 jcamins      [off] Just in case that translation wasn't accurate and was offensive.
14:05 drojf        [off] unempfindliche scholle? lol
14:06 * magnuse    wanderen auf, um mittagessen zu maceh
14:07 magnuse      s/maceh/machen/
14:07 jcamins      [off] It's a slashdot meme... maybe?
14:13 gmcharlt     @quote random
14:13 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #110: "chris: im rm, not god" (added by kf at 10:20 AM, December 08, 2010)
14:15 oleonard     And now he's neither rm nor god.
14:15 liw          rangi's a very nice person anyway
14:15 gmcharlt     :)
14:16 magnuse      hear hear!
14:16 liw          rangi++
14:16 liw          in fact
14:16 gmcharlt     rangi++
15:09 reiveune     bye
15:12 kf           rangi++ :)
15:13 drojf        i put something about the fishsoup branch on the wiki, is it correct like this (haven't used it yet)? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6
15:14 drojf        someone remind me to use a small sample of biblios in my dev VM. reindexing 40k files in a virtual machine is no fun.
15:17 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
15:17 slef         hi mtompset
15:17 mtompset     slef: Long time no chat.
15:17 slef         drojf: could do with an explanation why it's needed.
15:17 drojf        yay, i waited what felt like hours and now my disk was full
15:18 drojf        slef: i have no idea :)
15:18 mtompset     Isn't that a bad thing (tm), drojf?
15:18 mtompset     (the full disk)
15:18 slef         And while I'm asking, can we have openID login back on the wiki, someone (anyone) please?
15:18 kf           [off] unsensible scholle?
15:19 drojf        mtompset: kind of. also it just restarted indexing after that. i'm not sure that makes sense ;)
15:19 mtompset     oooo... filling hard drive during a reindex. sounds really bad.
15:20 mtompset     Greetings, drojf kf
15:21 drojf        has -z always been default for koha-rebuild-zebra? i can't get around it, i had to comment it out in the script. i think this vm is getting weirder every day
15:21 mtompset     So, has anyone had time to look at bug 10454 and tell me how bad (or good) it is? :)
15:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated
15:24 drojf        mtompset: do you see a comment?
15:25 mtompset     Not since Galen's, no. :(
15:26 drojf        then i guess you have the answer to your question :P
15:27 gmcharlt     did somethign happen to break git bz?
15:27 pianohacker  bz upgrade
15:27 gmcharlt     pianohacker: known fix?
15:28 drojf        gmcharlt: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6
15:28 pianohacker  fishsoup branch
15:28 wahanui      i guess fishsoup branch is much nicer anyway.
15:28 pianohacker  exactly! When wahanui isn't staring in my window at night, breathing heavily, he agrees with me and is therefore good
15:29 gmcharlt     thanks
15:29 oleonard     git bz problem?
15:29 wahanui      You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
15:33 * gmcharlt   sends note to koha-devel
15:33 pianohacker  gmcharlt++
15:34 kf           gmcharlt++
15:35 drojf        so i had 12 rebuild_zebra processes running. lol
15:35 * drojf      wants his mummy
15:36 * gmcharlt   shivers
15:36 gmcharlt     hopefully no gas masks are involved!
15:36 drojf        i'm not going to tell you :D
15:39 gmcharlt     heh
15:40 oleonard     gmcharlt has spoiled our closely-kept git-bz secrets.
15:40 drojf        OMG now everybody can become a developer /o\
15:41 gmcharlt     ZOMG nothing whatsoever has changed in how we operate here! ;)
15:45 rural        So we have spent a couple of work days setting up and familiarizing ourselves with Koha. It seems to fit our needs nicely. Our complements to everyone involved in the project.
15:45 drojf        rural: nice :)
15:45 kf           :)
15:45 kf           rural: where are you from? :)
15:45 slef         rural: you mean you're sending urbans to everyone, or did you mean compliments? ;-)
15:45 drojf        i wonder if unstaging 40k records would be less annoying if the progress bar worked
15:45 slef         (I'm guessing urban is the complement of rural...)
15:46 rural        We're from rural Alberta. A small Catholic school division.
15:46 slef         drojf: no. It would show 90% done for all of it.
15:46 kf           welcome to the community :)
15:46 kf           we are quite international, so always interesting to hear where someone actually is  :)
15:46 rural        I actually took a stab at this a couple of years ago. It worked, but politics prevented the project from moving forward.
15:46 rural        But we're having a heck of a time changing the logos.
15:46 drojf        slef: maybe we could replace the progress bar then. maybe with a choice of movies to watch while waiting ;)
15:48 rural        Is it correct that we have to change the settings for opacsmallimage and opacheader?
15:48 rural        'cause we've done that.
15:48 rural        But it doesn't go.
15:50 oleonard     rural: opacsmallimage is the setting to change if you want to swap out the Koha logo
15:50 drojf        i heard about this guy that does some kind of web stuff that has a blog about these things
15:50 rural        At least we're in the right place then.
15:51 rural        We've read a couple of blog entries on it.
15:51 rural        The settings apply, but the logo doesn't change.
15:51 rural        We'll keep hammering on it.
15:51 kf           hm
15:51 oleonard     rural: Is your OPAC online where we can see it?
15:52 kf           koha 3.12 has broken umlauts in the patron search
15:52 kf           ok, just a note, will file a bug later :)
15:52 drojf        rural: have you cleared the cache?
15:52 rural        oleanard: It might be.
15:52 rural        drojf: Obvious!
15:53 rural        Well... We feel dumb.
15:54 slef         rural: dumb will probably like that... ;-)
15:56 rural        In other news: We tried Evergreen before Koha. Fought with that for at least a week before someone recommended Koha here on IRC.
15:56 kf           I thnk the logo problem is solvable :)
15:56 kf           what did you enter into opacsmallimage? a complete url?
15:57 kf           does the logo show up when try to access the logo from that url in your browser?
15:57 rural        Our problem was that we were expecting the logo to change on the same page that we were changing the OPAC settings.
15:57 kf           is the koha logo still showing? or did it vanish?
15:57 rural        kf: It's all good. We just weren't looking at the page where the change was applied.
15:58 drojf        happens all the time
16:03 kf           oleonard: i know it's a very dark place...
16:03 kf           but could yo umaybe take a look at the display problem witht he item form in acq?
16:03 oleonard     Remind me what the problem is?
16:04 kf           trying tor find the bug sec
16:04 kf           bug 10475
16:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly
16:05 kf           it used to work in 3.6.... but something must have changed and now shrinking the form to a usable size is not really working
16:08 kf           I linked to a similar problem we had before
16:22 drojf        wow that is ridiculous. it would be faster to setup a new dev VM than undoing the import of 40k records
16:23 drojf        and if its not done soon i have to do it all again since i have to leave
16:25 jcamins      Out of curiosity, why didn't you just delete all the records from the DB, if the VM is underpowered?
16:25 jcamins      If there are only ~40k records in the database it would make more sense to reindex when you're done anyway.
16:26 drojf        because there were other imports that i wanted to keep. and i did not think it would take hours
16:27 jcamins      Ah.
16:28 drojf        but yes, i think that is an option if it won't suddenly stop within the next ~5 minutes
16:29 jcamins      I'd just like to point out this is what happens if you run a VM on your Raspberry Pi. Things take a long time. :P
16:30 drojf        lol
16:30 * druthb     hands jcamins the "Capt. Obvious" badge.
16:30 drojf        it i snot a vm on the pi ;)
16:30 drojf        is not
16:31 drojf        but it feels like it was
16:32 drojf        if i want to do it in sql, do i simply truncate the biblio, biblioitems, items tables?
16:33 jcamins      Yeah. Or do a DELETE on biblio that deletes all biblios that were added by the batch in question.
16:34 jcamins      I used to do that when I was developing on a VM.
16:34 jcamins      Now that I have a server, there's no need.
16:34 drojf        raspberry pi server? :P
16:34 slef         drojf: you snotted a vm onto the pi? Talented nose!
16:34 jcamins      Real server, TYVM.
16:35 jcamins      Well, VM on a real server.
16:35 drojf        slef: lol no i did not
16:35 pianohacker  my goodness, slef. Hi there!
16:35 slef         pianohacker: ?
16:35 pianohacker  it's been a while. hello
16:35 slef         pianohacker: hello. It's summer here, you know. I was out visiting Spain and riding bikes silly distances.
16:36 slef         well I say Spain, I mean Catalonia
16:36 pianohacker  that sounds amazing
16:36 slef         pianohacker: I think it's https://friends.mayfirst.org/profile/mjray if you want to stalk me more
16:37 pianohacker  yay stalking! What else have you been up to?
16:38 drojf        when i logged into mysql koha got so afraid that suddenly "Success: Import reversed"
16:39 pianohacker  oh no here come da feds run away
16:40 * drojf      heads home
17:02 oleonard     kf: Bug 10475 ready for signoff
17:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly
17:16 kf           oleonard: awesome!
17:16 wahanui      That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, kf
17:20 kf           oleonard++
17:22 kf           oleonard: what was the problem?
17:23 oleonard     I don't think that particular page ever worked correctly. The template modified for Bug 7116 was a different one.
17:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields
17:27 kf           oleonard: hm, yes, but we are using this with 3.6 and it didn't show the gaps there
17:27 kf           maybe something else changes
17:27 kf           changed
17:29 oleonard     Yes, the addition of services/itemrecorddisplay.pl
17:29 kf           aah
17:29 kf           yeah that would be a big something :)
18:11 kf           bye all
18:26 pianohacker  Does anyone know of a reliable source for whether `date` is an SQL 92 keyword?
18:26 pianohacker  It's not an MS-SQL or MySQL keyword, but that's all I've confirmed
18:30 mtompset     I think it may be.
18:30 mtompset     http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-92.bnf.html
18:31 mtompset     Hope that helps, pianohacker. :)
18:31 jcamins      pianohacker: according to this page on MSDN, ODBC and SQL-92 have the same reserved keywords, and DATE is one of them: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(v=SQL.80).aspx
18:31 pianohacker  mtompset: I found that, and it seemed handy, but thank you. I wish there was a less-thirdhand source though
18:32 pianohacker  hrm. Time to find an alternative
18:32 pianohacker  SQL has such a huge goddamned reserved word list that latin seems like a reasonable alternative...
18:34 pianohacker  Anyone know of a good synonym for `date`, as in, the date when a calendar event occurs?
18:34 pianohacker  vague, I know, but that's the context
18:36 jwagner      pianohacker --EventDate?
18:37 pianohacker  that's probably what I'll go with, yeah
18:37 pianohacker  also, hey jwagner :)
18:37 druthb       WhatDateDidItHappen?  :P
18:37 jwagner      hey there, how are things going?
18:38 pianohacker  Good! Enjoying another summer working on Koha
18:38 mtompset     juncture? occasion?
18:38 jwagner      Always fun....
18:38 pianohacker  at_what_date_does_this_event_occur_singly_without_repetition_good_chap
18:39 jwagner      gotta run, bye
18:39 mtompset     happenstance for repeating events? ;)
18:40 pianohacker  heh :)
18:40 pianohacker  http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/
18:55 mtompset     Hmmm... the $VERSION in BEGIN blocks in perl code... that sets the version of the code represented by the current file?
19:00 pianohacker  mtompset: yeah, for that module only
19:01 pianohacker  according to the coding guidelines, though, it's not something we're worrying about as of 3.12
19:02 mtompset     Oh right. I should review those, since my patch for SAML I'm working on is bigger than my usual bug fixes.
19:12 mtompset     guidelines?
19:12 mtompset     coding guidelines?
19:12 wahanui      coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
19:14 mtompset     oh... it would seem my temporary sample patch fails the guidelines for bug 10454... I just called it UID. I didn't call it cardnumber_sequence_id.
19:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated
19:22 mtompset     Hmmm... Don't fully like perltidy.
19:23 rangi        just as well you dont have to
19:23 mtompset     Perl2: use Modern::Perl; is used instead of use strict; use warnings;?
19:23 rangi        its there to be consistent not liked :)
19:24 mtompset     I like, for example, wasting vertical space on my variable declarations so I can add, remove variables without affecting other lines. :)
19:25 rangi        yep, but the point of coding guidelines is consistency, not perfection :)
19:30 rangi        http://york23thingsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/thing-17-creative-commons-images.html
19:30 rangi        handy for presentations
19:50 bag          search?
19:50 wahanui      i guess search is for the patrons not the librarians
19:51 bag          zebra?
19:51 wahanui      somebody said zebra was a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
19:52 cait         rangi: cool :)
20:20 * rangi      goes to take kids to school
20:23 druthb       bag?
20:23 wahanui      I LIKE BASEBALL
20:23 druthb       lulz.
20:23 pianohacker  bahahahaha
20:23 druthb       wahanui:  pianohacker?
20:23 wahanui      i heard pianohacker was a brilliant young whooper-snapper.
20:24 * druthb     keeps waiting for some grammar-nazi who doesn't speak Southern English to modify that.
20:24 pianohacker  here, if we're going for defining characteristics
20:24 pianohacker  forget pianohacker
20:24 wahanui      pianohacker: I forgot pianohacker
20:24 pianohacker  pianohacker is <reply>I HATE XML
20:24 pianohacker  pianohacker?
20:24 wahanui      I HATE XML
20:24 druthb       druthb?
20:24 wahanui      Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
20:24 pianohacker  yup, all's well and correct
20:28 mtompset     Why do you hate XML, pianohacker?
20:29 pianohacker  every technologist needs an irrational, deep-seated hatred
20:31 mtompset     I'll grant you that, but why XML?
20:31 mtompset     Why not be more fundamental and hate SGML? :P
20:31 pianohacker  but more seriously, I see it used in far too many applications where its syntax, conceptual model and programmatic access are not only bad fits but worse fits than many other alternatives
20:32 mtompset     Ah, but then you don't really hate XML, but rather the dumb bosses that only know of XML and think that is the solution to everything. :P
20:33 pianohacker  XSLT, for example, is an awesome technology hampered by an incredibly clumsy syntax
20:33 pianohacker  Well, yeah, but that's like saying I don't hate Ford Pintos except for the people that keep filling them with gas and letting other people crash into them
20:34 mtompset     Right, in which case you actually hate the people who crash into the Pintos. :P
20:34 * druthb     wonders if she has any irrational deep-seated hatreds, or has simply grown too old and tired to have the energy to hate anything.
20:34 pianohacker  heh
20:35 pianohacker  nah, hatred's the realm of people too young to have anything better to do
20:35 mtompset     True, and hate is a very consuming emotion.
20:35 mtompset     I would rather say I love flat text files over an RDBMS. :P
20:36 mtompset     Than say that I hate a particular RDBMS. :)
20:37 bag          alright I've tried everything I can think of…  I can even search my indexes from yaz-client but I just can't get the staff-client or the opac to search my indexes
20:37 bag          I'm open for any ideas at all :)
20:38 cait         are there any errors when you try searching?
20:38 cait         in the logs?
20:39 bag          I will look in the logs again
20:47 bag          weird = select * from systempreferences where variable = 'SearchEngine';
20:47 bag          Empty set (0.00 sec)
20:47 bag          hmmm….  why would that be missing :)
20:49 cait         i don't know
20:50 cait         but it doesn't sound right
20:50 cait         have you checked the syspref?
20:51 bag          cait I'm saying the sys pref is not in my database :P
20:53 cait         problem solved then? :)
20:55 bag          we will see :D
21:13 rangi        back
21:16 bag          welcome back rangi
21:23 tcohen       hi rango
21:23 tcohen       rangi
21:24 tcohen       heh
21:24 tcohen       i took the tiem to watch Rango after wizzy's joke
21:24 trea         that movie is crazy
21:26 tcohen       rangi: thanks for signing es stuff
21:29 rangi        no worries
21:29 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
21:47 gmcharlt     @qutoe random
21:47 huginn       gmcharlt: I suck
21:47 gmcharlt     @quote random
21:47 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011)
21:53 gml          hello, plz anyone could answer: after some months of operation time, what are the tables in Koha whose data size increase more fastly?
21:54 cait         action_logs maybe, sessions maybe if you don't purge it using the cronjob
21:55 tcohen       zebraqueue
21:55 wahanui      hmmm... zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes.
21:56 tcohen       and session
22:00 tcohen       rangi, could yo ucheck the structure i created for the release maintainance wiki? am i missing smth?
22:01 tcohen       release maintainance?
22:01 tcohen       release maintenance?
22:01 wahanui      i heard release maintenance was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance
22:01 gml          cait tcohen: I'll take it in account, thx :)
22:01 tcohen       was cait around? hi cait
22:01 rangi        when i get a chance ill take a look
22:01 rangi        gml: statistics
22:01 wahanui      it has been said that statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that.
22:03 cait         hey tcohen :)
22:06 cait         tcohen++
22:06 cait         documentation! :)
22:06 eythian      hi
22:06 cait         hi eythian
22:08 tcohen       hi eythian
22:55 jcamins      This just in! Facebook recording excessive amounts of users' personal information!
22:56 jcamins      Gosh that is so... unsurprising.
22:56 gmcharlt     and in further news, most cats like tuna
22:56 rangi        heh, has that come out again?
22:56 eythian      wahanui: breaking news
22:56 wahanui      eythian: i'm not following you...
22:57 eythian      I feel there needs to be a factoid there, but I don't know what.
22:57 eythian      wahanui: status
22:57 wahanui      Since Mon May 13 00:02:56 2013, there have been 1465 modifications and 467 questions.  I have been awake for 43 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, 13 seconds this session, and currently reference 29972 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
22:57 rangi        oh jcamins and gmcharlt you will appreciate this one
22:57 rangi        bibframe mailing list?
22:57 wahanui      https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1372102329503089_animate.gif
22:57 jcamins      lol
22:57 gmcharlt     rangi++
22:58 tcohen       heh
22:58 tcohen       question: should I avoid disclosing information on the server layout?
22:58 tcohen       writing the uploading and header.html fixing step
22:59 rangi        hmm?
22:59 jcamins      tcohen: does it include secret e-mail addresses and unlisted phone numbers?
22:59 gmcharlt     tcohen: I see no harm in writing it down
22:59 rangi        yeah
22:59 tcohen       i was asking just in case
22:59 rangi        the wiki page looks good to me
23:00 tcohen       i almost finished documenting the release maintenance process
23:00 tcohen       (itsfar from perfect obviously)
23:01 tcohen       i'm missing the gpg send-keys step, but i think is out from the scope of the document
23:02 jcamins      gpg send-keys step?
23:02 rangi        remind me to sign your key at kohacon
23:02 tcohen       ack rangi
23:44 tcohen       it took me two vacuum bottles of mate to write that docs!
23:45 eythian      I don't know what that means.
23:46 tcohen       how do u call that recipient you'd use to maintain water hot?
23:47 jcamins      Kettle?
23:47 eythian      oh. flask I guess. vacuum flask if you are being specific.
23:47 jcamins      Oh.
23:47 jcamins      I see.
23:47 eythian      I also don't know what 'mate' is :)
23:48 jcamins      It's a type of tea.
23:48 jcamins      I've never had it.
23:48 ibeardslee   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) ?
23:48 eythian      oh, also "thermos" which I assume was a brand name.