Time  Nick         Message
23:48 eythian      oh, also "thermos" which I assume was a brand name.
23:48 ibeardslee   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) ?
23:48 jcamins      I've never had it.
23:48 jcamins      It's a type of tea.
23:47 eythian      I also don't know what 'mate' is :)
23:47 jcamins      I see.
23:47 jcamins      Oh.
23:47 eythian      oh. flask I guess. vacuum flask if you are being specific.
23:47 jcamins      Kettle?
23:46 tcohen       how do u call that recipient you'd use to maintain water hot?
23:45 eythian      I don't know what that means.
23:44 tcohen       it took me two vacuum bottles of mate to write that docs!
23:02 tcohen       ack rangi
23:02 rangi        remind me to sign your key at kohacon
23:02 jcamins      gpg send-keys step?
23:01 tcohen       i'm missing the gpg send-keys step, but i think is out from the scope of the document
23:00 tcohen       (itsfar from perfect obviously)
23:00 tcohen       i almost finished documenting the release maintenance process
22:59 rangi        the wiki page looks good to me
22:59 tcohen       i was asking just in case
22:59 rangi        yeah
22:59 gmcharlt     tcohen: I see no harm in writing it down
22:59 jcamins      tcohen: does it include secret e-mail addresses and unlisted phone numbers?
22:59 rangi        hmm?
22:58 tcohen       writing the uploading and header.html fixing step
22:58 tcohen       question: should I avoid disclosing information on the server layout?
22:58 tcohen       heh
22:57 gmcharlt     rangi++
22:57 jcamins      lol
22:57 wahanui      https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1372102329503089_animate.gif
22:57 rangi        bibframe mailing list?
22:57 rangi        oh jcamins and gmcharlt you will appreciate this one
22:57 wahanui      Since Mon May 13 00:02:56 2013, there have been 1465 modifications and 467 questions.  I have been awake for 43 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, 13 seconds this session, and currently reference 29972 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
22:57 eythian      wahanui: status
22:57 eythian      I feel there needs to be a factoid there, but I don't know what.
22:56 wahanui      eythian: i'm not following you...
22:56 eythian      wahanui: breaking news
22:56 rangi        heh, has that come out again?
22:56 gmcharlt     and in further news, most cats like tuna
22:56 jcamins      Gosh that is so... unsurprising.
22:55 jcamins      This just in! Facebook recording excessive amounts of users' personal information!
22:08 tcohen       hi eythian
22:06 cait         hi eythian
22:06 eythian      hi
22:06 cait         documentation! :)
22:06 cait         tcohen++
22:03 cait         hey tcohen :)
22:01 wahanui      it has been said that statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that.
22:01 rangi        gml: statistics
22:01 rangi        when i get a chance ill take a look
22:01 tcohen       was cait around? hi cait
22:01 gml          cait tcohen: I'll take it in account, thx :)
22:01 wahanui      i heard release maintenance was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance
22:01 tcohen       release maintenance?
22:01 tcohen       release maintainance?
22:00 tcohen       rangi, could yo ucheck the structure i created for the release maintainance wiki? am i missing smth?
21:56 tcohen       and session
21:55 wahanui      hmmm... zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes.
21:55 tcohen       zebraqueue
21:54 cait         action_logs maybe, sessions maybe if you don't purge it using the cronjob
21:53 gml          hello, plz anyone could answer: after some months of operation time, what are the tables in Koha whose data size increase more fastly?
21:47 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011)
21:47 gmcharlt     @quote random
21:47 huginn       gmcharlt: I suck
21:47 gmcharlt     @qutoe random
21:29 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
21:29 rangi        no worries
21:26 tcohen       rangi: thanks for signing es stuff
21:24 trea         that movie is crazy
21:24 tcohen       i took the tiem to watch Rango after wizzy's joke
21:24 tcohen       heh
21:23 tcohen       rangi
21:23 tcohen       hi rango
21:16 bag          welcome back rangi
21:13 rangi        back
20:55 bag          we will see :D
20:53 cait         problem solved then? :)
20:51 bag          cait I'm saying the sys pref is not in my database :P
20:50 cait         have you checked the syspref?
20:50 cait         but it doesn't sound right
20:49 cait         i don't know
20:47 bag          hmmm….  why would that be missing :)
20:47 bag          Empty set (0.00 sec)
20:47 bag          weird = select * from systempreferences where variable = 'SearchEngine';
20:39 bag          I will look in the logs again
20:38 cait         in the logs?
20:38 cait         are there any errors when you try searching?
20:37 bag          I'm open for any ideas at all :)
20:37 bag          alright I've tried everything I can think of…  I can even search my indexes from yaz-client but I just can't get the staff-client or the opac to search my indexes
20:36 mtompset     Than say that I hate a particular RDBMS. :)
20:35 mtompset     I would rather say I love flat text files over an RDBMS. :P
20:35 mtompset     True, and hate is a very consuming emotion.
20:35 pianohacker  nah, hatred's the realm of people too young to have anything better to do
20:34 pianohacker  heh
20:34 * druthb     wonders if she has any irrational deep-seated hatreds, or has simply grown too old and tired to have the energy to hate anything.
20:34 mtompset     Right, in which case you actually hate the people who crash into the Pintos. :P
20:33 pianohacker  Well, yeah, but that's like saying I don't hate Ford Pintos except for the people that keep filling them with gas and letting other people crash into them
20:33 pianohacker  XSLT, for example, is an awesome technology hampered by an incredibly clumsy syntax
20:32 mtompset     Ah, but then you don't really hate XML, but rather the dumb bosses that only know of XML and think that is the solution to everything. :P
20:31 pianohacker  but more seriously, I see it used in far too many applications where its syntax, conceptual model and programmatic access are not only bad fits but worse fits than many other alternatives
20:31 mtompset     Why not be more fundamental and hate SGML? :P
20:31 mtompset     I'll grant you that, but why XML?
20:29 pianohacker  every technologist needs an irrational, deep-seated hatred
20:28 mtompset     Why do you hate XML, pianohacker?
20:24 pianohacker  yup, all's well and correct
20:24 wahanui      Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
20:24 druthb       druthb?
20:24 wahanui      I HATE XML
20:24 pianohacker  pianohacker?
20:24 pianohacker  pianohacker is <reply>I HATE XML
20:24 wahanui      pianohacker: I forgot pianohacker
20:24 pianohacker  forget pianohacker
20:24 pianohacker  here, if we're going for defining characteristics
20:24 * druthb     keeps waiting for some grammar-nazi who doesn't speak Southern English to modify that.
20:23 wahanui      i heard pianohacker was a brilliant young whooper-snapper.
20:23 druthb       wahanui:  pianohacker?
20:23 pianohacker  bahahahaha
20:23 druthb       lulz.
20:23 wahanui      I LIKE BASEBALL
20:23 druthb       bag?
20:20 * rangi      goes to take kids to school
19:52 cait         rangi: cool :)
19:51 wahanui      somebody said zebra was a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
19:51 bag          zebra?
19:50 wahanui      i guess search is for the patrons not the librarians
19:50 bag          search?
19:30 rangi        handy for presentations
19:30 rangi        http://york23thingsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/thing-17-creative-commons-images.html
19:25 rangi        yep, but the point of coding guidelines is consistency, not perfection :)
19:24 mtompset     I like, for example, wasting vertical space on my variable declarations so I can add, remove variables without affecting other lines. :)
19:23 rangi        its there to be consistent not liked :)
19:23 mtompset     Perl2: use Modern::Perl; is used instead of use strict; use warnings;?
19:23 rangi        just as well you dont have to
19:22 mtompset     Hmmm... Don't fully like perltidy.
19:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated
19:14 mtompset     oh... it would seem my temporary sample patch fails the guidelines for bug 10454... I just called it UID. I didn't call it cardnumber_sequence_id.
19:12 wahanui      coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
19:12 mtompset     coding guidelines?
19:12 mtompset     guidelines?
19:02 mtompset     Oh right. I should review those, since my patch for SAML I'm working on is bigger than my usual bug fixes.
19:01 pianohacker  according to the coding guidelines, though, it's not something we're worrying about as of 3.12
19:00 pianohacker  mtompset: yeah, for that module only
18:55 mtompset     Hmmm... the $VERSION in BEGIN blocks in perl code... that sets the version of the code represented by the current file?
18:40 pianohacker  http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/
18:40 pianohacker  heh :)
18:39 mtompset     happenstance for repeating events? ;)
18:39 jwagner      gotta run, bye
18:38 pianohacker  at_what_date_does_this_event_occur_singly_without_repetition_good_chap
18:38 jwagner      Always fun....
18:38 mtompset     juncture? occasion?
18:38 pianohacker  Good! Enjoying another summer working on Koha
18:37 jwagner      hey there, how are things going?
18:37 druthb       WhatDateDidItHappen?  :P
18:37 pianohacker  also, hey jwagner :)
18:37 pianohacker  that's probably what I'll go with, yeah
18:36 jwagner      pianohacker --EventDate?
18:34 pianohacker  vague, I know, but that's the context
18:34 pianohacker  Anyone know of a good synonym for `date`, as in, the date when a calendar event occurs?
18:32 pianohacker  SQL has such a huge goddamned reserved word list that latin seems like a reasonable alternative...
18:32 pianohacker  hrm. Time to find an alternative
18:31 pianohacker  mtompset: I found that, and it seemed handy, but thank you. I wish there was a less-thirdhand source though
18:31 jcamins      pianohacker: according to this page on MSDN, ODBC and SQL-92 have the same reserved keywords, and DATE is one of them: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(v=SQL.80).aspx
18:31 mtompset     Hope that helps, pianohacker. :)
18:30 mtompset     http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-92.bnf.html
18:30 mtompset     I think it may be.
18:26 pianohacker  It's not an MS-SQL or MySQL keyword, but that's all I've confirmed
18:26 pianohacker  Does anyone know of a reliable source for whether `date` is an SQL 92 keyword?
18:11 kf           bye all
17:29 kf           yeah that would be a big something :)
17:29 kf           aah
17:29 oleonard     Yes, the addition of services/itemrecorddisplay.pl
17:27 kf           changed
17:27 kf           maybe something else changes
17:27 kf           oleonard: hm, yes, but we are using this with 3.6 and it didn't show the gaps there
17:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields
17:23 oleonard     I don't think that particular page ever worked correctly. The template modified for Bug 7116 was a different one.
17:22 kf           oleonard: what was the problem?
17:20 kf           oleonard++
17:16 wahanui      That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, kf
17:16 kf           oleonard: awesome!
17:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly
17:02 oleonard     kf: Bug 10475 ready for signoff
16:40 * drojf      heads home
16:39 pianohacker  oh no here come da feds run away
16:38 drojf        when i logged into mysql koha got so afraid that suddenly "Success: Import reversed"
16:37 pianohacker  yay stalking! What else have you been up to?
16:36 slef         pianohacker: I think it's https://friends.mayfirst.org/profile/mjray if you want to stalk me more
16:36 pianohacker  that sounds amazing
16:36 slef         well I say Spain, I mean Catalonia
16:35 slef         pianohacker: hello. It's summer here, you know. I was out visiting Spain and riding bikes silly distances.
16:35 pianohacker  it's been a while. hello
16:35 slef         pianohacker: ?
16:35 pianohacker  my goodness, slef. Hi there!
16:35 drojf        slef: lol no i did not
16:35 jcamins      Well, VM on a real server.
16:34 jcamins      Real server, TYVM.
16:34 slef         drojf: you snotted a vm onto the pi? Talented nose!
16:34 drojf        raspberry pi server? :P
16:34 jcamins      Now that I have a server, there's no need.
16:34 jcamins      I used to do that when I was developing on a VM.
16:33 jcamins      Yeah. Or do a DELETE on biblio that deletes all biblios that were added by the batch in question.
16:32 drojf        if i want to do it in sql, do i simply truncate the biblio, biblioitems, items tables?
16:31 drojf        but it feels like it was
16:30 drojf        is not
16:30 drojf        it i snot a vm on the pi ;)
16:30 * druthb     hands jcamins the "Capt. Obvious" badge.
16:30 drojf        lol
16:29 jcamins      I'd just like to point out this is what happens if you run a VM on your Raspberry Pi. Things take a long time. :P
16:28 drojf        but yes, i think that is an option if it won't suddenly stop within the next ~5 minutes
16:27 jcamins      Ah.
16:26 drojf        because there were other imports that i wanted to keep. and i did not think it would take hours
16:25 jcamins      If there are only ~40k records in the database it would make more sense to reindex when you're done anyway.
16:25 jcamins      Out of curiosity, why didn't you just delete all the records from the DB, if the VM is underpowered?
16:23 drojf        and if its not done soon i have to do it all again since i have to leave
16:22 drojf        wow that is ridiculous. it would be faster to setup a new dev VM than undoing the import of 40k records
16:08 kf           I linked to a similar problem we had before
16:05 kf           it used to work in 3.6.... but something must have changed and now shrinking the form to a usable size is not really working
16:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly
16:04 kf           bug 10475
16:04 kf           trying tor find the bug sec
16:03 oleonard     Remind me what the problem is?
16:03 kf           but could yo umaybe take a look at the display problem witht he item form in acq?
16:03 kf           oleonard: i know it's a very dark place...
15:58 drojf        happens all the time
15:57 rural        kf: It's all good. We just weren't looking at the page where the change was applied.
15:57 kf           is the koha logo still showing? or did it vanish?
15:57 rural        Our problem was that we were expecting the logo to change on the same page that we were changing the OPAC settings.
15:57 kf           does the logo show up when try to access the logo from that url in your browser?
15:56 kf           what did you enter into opacsmallimage? a complete url?
15:56 kf           I thnk the logo problem is solvable :)
15:56 rural        In other news: We tried Evergreen before Koha. Fought with that for at least a week before someone recommended Koha here on IRC.
15:54 slef         rural: dumb will probably like that... ;-)
15:53 rural        Well... We feel dumb.
15:52 rural        drojf: Obvious!
15:52 rural        oleanard: It might be.
15:52 drojf        rural: have you cleared the cache?
15:52 kf           ok, just a note, will file a bug later :)
15:52 kf           koha 3.12 has broken umlauts in the patron search
15:51 oleonard     rural: Is your OPAC online where we can see it?
15:51 kf           hm
15:51 rural        We'll keep hammering on it.
15:51 rural        The settings apply, but the logo doesn't change.
15:51 rural        We've read a couple of blog entries on it.
15:50 rural        At least we're in the right place then.
15:50 drojf        i heard about this guy that does some kind of web stuff that has a blog about these things
15:50 oleonard     rural: opacsmallimage is the setting to change if you want to swap out the Koha logo
15:48 rural        But it doesn't go.
15:48 rural        'cause we've done that.
15:48 rural        Is it correct that we have to change the settings for opacsmallimage and opacheader?
15:46 drojf        slef: maybe we could replace the progress bar then. maybe with a choice of movies to watch while waiting ;)
15:46 rural        But we're having a heck of a time changing the logos.
15:46 rural        I actually took a stab at this a couple of years ago. It worked, but politics prevented the project from moving forward.
15:46 kf           we are quite international, so always interesting to hear where someone actually is  :)
15:46 kf           welcome to the community :)
15:46 slef         drojf: no. It would show 90% done for all of it.
15:46 rural        We're from rural Alberta. A small Catholic school division.
15:45 slef         (I'm guessing urban is the complement of rural...)
15:45 drojf        i wonder if unstaging 40k records would be less annoying if the progress bar worked
15:45 slef         rural: you mean you're sending urbans to everyone, or did you mean compliments? ;-)
15:45 kf           rural: where are you from? :)
15:45 kf           :)
15:45 drojf        rural: nice :)
15:45 rural        So we have spent a couple of work days setting up and familiarizing ourselves with Koha. It seems to fit our needs nicely. Our complements to everyone involved in the project.
15:41 gmcharlt     ZOMG nothing whatsoever has changed in how we operate here! ;)
15:40 drojf        OMG now everybody can become a developer /o\
15:40 oleonard     gmcharlt has spoiled our closely-kept git-bz secrets.
15:39 gmcharlt     heh
15:36 drojf        i'm not going to tell you :D
15:36 gmcharlt     hopefully no gas masks are involved!
15:36 * gmcharlt   shivers
15:35 * drojf      wants his mummy
15:35 drojf        so i had 12 rebuild_zebra processes running. lol
15:34 kf           gmcharlt++
15:33 pianohacker  gmcharlt++
15:33 * gmcharlt   sends note to koha-devel
15:29 wahanui      You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
15:29 oleonard     git bz problem?
15:29 gmcharlt     thanks
15:28 pianohacker  exactly! When wahanui isn't staring in my window at night, breathing heavily, he agrees with me and is therefore good
15:28 wahanui      i guess fishsoup branch is much nicer anyway.
15:28 pianohacker  fishsoup branch
15:28 drojf        gmcharlt: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6
15:27 gmcharlt     pianohacker: known fix?
15:27 pianohacker  bz upgrade
15:27 gmcharlt     did somethign happen to break git bz?
15:26 drojf        then i guess you have the answer to your question :P
15:25 mtompset     Not since Galen's, no. :(
15:24 drojf        mtompset: do you see a comment?
15:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated
15:21 mtompset     So, has anyone had time to look at bug 10454 and tell me how bad (or good) it is? :)
15:21 drojf        has -z always been default for koha-rebuild-zebra? i can't get around it, i had to comment it out in the script. i think this vm is getting weirder every day
15:20 mtompset     Greetings, drojf kf
15:19 mtompset     oooo... filling hard drive during a reindex. sounds really bad.
15:19 drojf        mtompset: kind of. also it just restarted indexing after that. i'm not sure that makes sense ;)
15:18 kf           [off] unsensible scholle?
15:18 slef         And while I'm asking, can we have openID login back on the wiki, someone (anyone) please?
15:18 mtompset     (the full disk)
15:18 mtompset     Isn't that a bad thing (tm), drojf?
15:18 drojf        slef: i have no idea :)
15:17 drojf        yay, i waited what felt like hours and now my disk was full
15:17 slef         drojf: could do with an explanation why it's needed.
15:17 mtompset     slef: Long time no chat.
15:17 slef         hi mtompset
15:17 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
15:14 drojf        someone remind me to use a small sample of biblios in my dev VM. reindexing 40k files in a virtual machine is no fun.
15:13 drojf        i put something about the fishsoup branch on the wiki, is it correct like this (haven't used it yet)? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6
15:12 kf           rangi++ :)
15:09 reiveune     bye
14:16 gmcharlt     rangi++
14:16 liw          in fact
14:16 liw          rangi++
14:16 magnuse      hear hear!
14:15 gmcharlt     :)
14:15 liw          rangi's a very nice person anyway
14:15 oleonard     And now he's neither rm nor god.
14:13 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #110: "chris: im rm, not god" (added by kf at 10:20 AM, December 08, 2010)
14:13 gmcharlt     @quote random
14:07 jcamins      [off] It's a slashdot meme... maybe?
14:07 magnuse      s/maceh/machen/
14:06 * magnuse    wanderen auf, um mittagessen zu maceh
14:05 drojf        [off] unempfindliche scholle? lol
14:04 jcamins      [off] Just in case that translation wasn't accurate and was offensive.
14:04 jcamins      [off] Ich habe nicht einen Urlaub, Sie unempfindlich Scholle!
14:03 drojf        wrong window
14:03 drojf        wie lang urlaubt es?
13:58 drojf        i'm less surprised than i should be ;)
13:58 jcamins      Odd. I don't see anything wrong with that record.
13:58 jcamins      lol
13:57 magnuse      ;-)
13:57 magnuse      hm, that would explain a lot of things...
13:57 jcamins      OMG! I've been living a lie! I am not a person, I'm a MARCXML parser!
13:57 magnuse      the 84 is not there in the file i imported
13:57 magnuse      wow, i think it's time i called it a day
13:56 pastebot     "magnuse" at pasted "imported record, take 3" (43 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86
13:56 drojf        jcamins: and you were saying you are no marcxml parser?
13:54 jcamins      (not paste 84, but the number 84 in the middle)
13:54 jcamins      What's that 84?
13:53 magnuse      jcamins: see paste #85
13:53 magnuse      yeah, that must have been me mis-pasting
13:53 magnuse      this is part of the file i imported: http://paste.koha-community.org/85
13:52 jcamins      I see two leaders, two 001s, and the end of a second record at the bottom.
13:52 wahanui      it has been said that maybe is a momentaneous error
13:52 jcamins      Oh... maybe?
13:52 magnuse      hm, did i double paste?
13:51 * jcamins    would die, if he were a MARCXML parser.
13:51 jcamins      I'm surprised the import didn't just die.
13:51 magnuse      jcamins: nope, that is just the one record
13:51 magnuse      i don't really care about the order (life is too short... :-) but the records where i have seen the order being out of um order seem to have some other problems too, so i wonder if they are related
13:51 jcamins      Because that is completely invalid MARCXML.
13:50 jcamins      Is that the entire file?
13:50 jcamins      (i.e. numeric)
13:50 jcamins      There is _also_ a bug where the MARCXML export from Koha has the fields reordered in the wrong order.
13:49 magnuse      that paste v.s. this: http://hylte.demo.bibkat.se/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=768
13:49 jcamins      Sounds like that's a different bug than the one that I meant to report but never did.
13:49 jcamins      Oh, in that case, I don't know.
13:49 pastebot     "magnuse" at pasted "record before import" (86 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/84
13:49 jcamins      Yes, that's why it's a problem.
13:48 magnuse      but the marcxml import has the fields in the order i expect (rising numbers)
13:47 jcamins      And it is not supposed to be numeric the way Koha insists on making it.
13:47 jcamins      Yes.
13:47 drojf        is the order supposed to be significant (from a marc standard point of view)?
13:46 magnuse      ah
13:45 jcamins      I seem to recall problems with that at some point.
13:45 jcamins      I think the export reorders the fields.
13:44 magnuse      but when i export marcxml they are in the order i expect
13:43 jcamins      magnuse: it displays them in the order they are in the record.
13:42 magnuse      MARC view in the OPAC seems to display fields in a weird order - anyone else seen that? (where weird = e.g. 000, 001, 081, 250, 100, 245, 886, 942)
13:41 aalex        hehe
13:40 magnuse      aalex: fingers cossed!
13:40 aalex        I might hang out on this channel more often in the few years... we'll see.
13:39 aalex        so, I am going for the interview. :)
13:39 nengard      so never ever again :) hehe
13:39 nengard      k
13:39 jcamins      nengard: it is a manual process apparently, so it has to wait on when rangi has enough time.
13:39 aalex        magnuse, ah! thank you!!
13:38 nengard      I know there are new tables and more documentation now
13:38 nengard      speaking of the schema ... it was last updated in Sept 2012 ... how do we get a new version pulled out there?
13:32 magnuse      there is some stuff here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_Schema but apart from the links to http://schema.koha-community.org/ it is partial and outdated
13:31 drojf        lol magnuse
13:30 oleonard     Mmm... fish soup. Reminds me of Marseille.
13:29 magnuse      someone tried to create something like that a while back i think, but ran out of space to draw in..
13:29 magnuse      aalex: no, i don't think so
13:28 aalex        a UML database diagram
13:28 aalex        magnuse, does it have a graphical representation of these tables?
13:26 magnuse      mind you, the database is kind of crazy too, at times :-) http://schema.koha-community.org/
13:25 aalex        magnuse, yes, I think you are right. And just checking the screenshots gives me a rather good idea on the scale of the software.
13:25 drojf        i guess our legal department agrees. with the opacsuppression thing, and maybe also with the cookie part
13:25 druthb       lol
13:25 magnuse      "it's just a database, with crazy rules"
13:24 drojf        cookie \o/
13:24 * druthb     offers drojf a cookie.
13:24 jcamins      drojf: yes, probably.
13:24 drojf        basically koha is just Search.pm with some stuff around it :P
13:23 magnuse      aalex: it's organized by "functional modules", not code modules
13:23 drojf        jcamins: ok. i think that should be changed…
13:22 magnuse      aalex: i'd say if you want to know what koha can do, the documentation is your best bet
13:22 jcamins      drojf: I think so.
13:22 jcamins      oleonard: the original author is fishsoup.
13:22 drojf        opacsuppression still only suppresses the zebra part and i can directly access the biblio if i know the number, right?
13:22 druthb       >.<
13:21 oleonard     And it's called fishsoup because git + bugs = fish soup.
13:21 wahanui      You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
13:21 jcamins      git bz problem?
13:21 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
13:21 jcamins      wahanui: git bz problem is <reply> You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla.
13:20 drojf        the git-bz on git.k-c.org has a branch called fishsoup
13:20 jcamins      oleonard: you need to use the git-bz from the fishsoup branch on git.k-c.org.
13:20 jcamins      aalex: Plain Old Documentation ( =perldoc)
13:20 drojf        :)
13:20 drojf        just add fishsoup to it
13:20 aalex        jcamins, what is POD? (sorry)
13:20 drojf        sure you can
13:20 oleonard     So I can't eat this sandwich for lunch?
13:19 drojf        more
13:19 drojf        oleonard: something about eat ,ore fishsoup
13:19 oleonard     Did anyone figure out what's up with git-bz attachments failing?
13:18 aalex        oh that, but that doesn't count ;-)
13:18 jcamins      The interface is all written in Template::Toolkit, and most of the actual pages will not have POD.
13:18 aalex        yeah, Java is kind of too much to type.
13:18 drojf        you will find html, css, javascript, sql…
13:18 jcamins      oleonard: amen!
13:18 aalex        oh, so what other languages, then?
13:18 drojf        and no desktop application. it's webbased
13:18 oleonard     Thank goodness.
13:17 jcamins      Nope, no desktop application, and nothing in Java.
13:17 drojf        aalex: there is no java
13:17 jcamins      Unfortunately.
13:17 aalex        drojf, what are the non-perl parts? desktop applications in Java, right?
13:17 jcamins      The POD is probably not going to help you understand the gestalt of the system.
13:17 drojf        but that's just the perl part. and not very diagramy
13:17 jcamins      Ah.
13:17 aalex        jcamins, oh, I just want to get a clear view of all it can do. I am getting ready for a job interview. :)
13:16 aalex        Hmm, maybe this page gives me what I want: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/
13:16 jcamins      Perhaps there is something else already available that will help you accomplish it.
13:14 jcamins      Out of curiosity, what is your end goal with this diagram?
13:13 aalex        I usually use Dia for this kind of work.
13:13 aalex        sure
13:13 jcamins      If you produce a diagram like that, please put it on the wiki for others with similar needs.
13:13 jcamins      You can check the wiki, but I've never seen aything like that.
13:12 aalex        Maybe there is a wiki page that list all the components?
13:11 aalex        (or Java)
13:11 aalex        drojf, so it's more about packages - in a C++-way.
13:10 aalex        drojf, but at this scale, one cannot see all the classes involved.
13:10 aalex        drojf, well, some kind of a high-level UML class diagram.
13:10 aalex        I am looking up the manual.pdf, but it is rather text-oriented.
13:10 drojf        what do you mean by system components?
13:09 jcamins      I don't think there really is one, though I would love to learn that I am wrong.
13:08 aalex        Like a 1-pager PDF.
13:08 aalex        Where can I find a general diagram that explains the overview of the system components within Koha?
13:08 wahanui      kai ora, aalex
13:08 aalex        Hello
12:21 nengard      morning oleonard
12:21 oleonard     Hi #koha
11:55 nengard      okey dokey
11:50 magnuse      named after the website that originally published git-bz, i think
11:50 magnuse      it's a branch in the git-bz repo on git.k-c.org
11:49 magnuse      nengard: lol
11:44 nengard      i came in at a strange time ... fishsoup? :)
11:39 khall        jcamins: fishsoup confirmed as working!
11:35 khall        I'll try that one, thanks!
11:35 jcamins      If you use the fishsoup branch in git.k-c.org, apparently it works.
11:35 jcamins      khall: did you update git-bz?
11:31 khall        The diff tool was disabled after the upgrade until I asked rangi to update the library it uses, then it came back
11:31 khall        either that or the api needs enabled by updating a library
11:30 khall        so it probably means git bz needs updated before it will work again
11:30 khall        my guess is the method git bz used for attaching has changed between the previous version and the current version.
11:29 magnuse      'attachment.cgi' script)
11:29 magnuse      the <em>create_attachment</em> action while processing the
11:29 magnuse      It looks like you didn't come from the right page (you have no valid token for
11:29 magnuse      heh, the title of the page is "suspicious action" - could this be the nsa interfering? ;-)
11:26 khall        http://pastebin.com/FWxUJnGQ
11:25 khall        one sec
11:24 magnuse      khall: ah, not good! does the html look like it has something to do with authentication?
11:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10277 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add C4::Context->IsSuperLibrarian()
11:23 khall        Failed to attach patch to bug 10277, status=200
11:23 khall        magnuse: yes, I get a lot of html from bugzilla, then:
11:22 magnuse      khall: do you get an error?
11:17 drojf        khall: will do
11:16 khall        yeah, please let us know if it works for you or not!
11:16 drojf        khall: oh that does not sound good. i was hoping to do a signoff or two later, i guess i will find out if it works for me
11:14 gaetan_B     or, the tool that generates the schema gets confused because the columns have the same name
11:14 khall        and at least on other person has reported the same
11:14 khall        drojf: I haven't been able to since rangi upgraded bugzilla over the weekend
11:14 gaetan_B     this looks as if there's a confusion between basket group's ids and languages
11:13 gaetan_B     http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/language_descriptions.html
11:13 magnuse      gaetan_B: maybe acq is using the language codes?
11:13 drojf        khall: we can't attach patches anymore?
11:12 gaetan_B     isn't that really wrong ?
11:12 Viktor       drojf That's what I wonder. In my view multiple barcodes should be no problem at all, but I don't look in the plumbing of Koha.
11:12 gaetan_B     hmm what's with the id column in language_descriptions ? schema.koha-community.org says it's linked to acquisitions somehow ?
11:12 khall        rangi: any idea if we'll get the ability to attach patches with git-bz back?
11:11 drojf        won't most of koha implode if we had multiple barcodes?
11:11 Viktor       magnuse LOL I appreciate it :)
11:10 Viktor       Question is if we can make barcode a repeatable field in the future while just storing in some junk field of MARC for now :) What say ye?
11:10 magnuse      Viktor: *i* didn't say it was you ;-)
11:10 magnuse      hehe
11:09 Viktor       But not unique to this library. What's happened is that books have largely been sold with barcodes on the inside of the back cover. The library/libraries have then added one on the back for easy access so I think it's something that future migrations here might experience too.
11:07 Viktor       Hi! Just found out that our "more than one barcode" thing is odd :)
11:01 magnuse      drojf: nope, MARC will never get better (at least not before it is dead and buried). but there are alternatives out there!
10:59 drojf        rangi: http://listserv.loc.gov/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1306&L=bibframe&T=0&P=11233 ;)
10:58 drojf        so marc could be even better? yay! :P
10:58 magnuse      never mind bibframe, take a look at https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf instead
10:57 drojf        oh, it's a new marc. LOL
10:55 wizzyrea     and ... urgh
10:55 wizzyrea     lol
10:55 rangi        we are all doooomed
10:55 rangi        that was exactly my reaction when i tried reading some of the messages
10:54 drojf        looks like a fun place :D
10:53 wahanui      https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1372102329503089_animate.gif
10:53 rangi        bibframe mailing list?
10:52 drojf        how are things in kohaland?
10:52 drojf        hi kf
10:52 kf           hi drojf
10:50 drojf        hi #koha
10:46 gaetan_B     ok i will have a look, thanks :)
10:46 kf           it's installed with the web installer, probably you need to add a frew lines there
10:46 kf           language_descriptions or similar
10:45 kf           gaetan_B: that's in a database table
10:45 gaetan_B     right now the code we picked for the language shows up, instead of the name of the language
10:45 gaetan_B     also, where do you define what will show up in the link at the bottom to choose the language ?
10:44 gaetan_B     kf:  there's some metadata at the beginning of the po file, how important is that ?
10:43 gaetan_B     +s
10:43 gaetan_B     alle klar now it seems
10:42 gaetan_B     yes that's where the problem is coming from :)
10:42 gaetan_B     ah
10:41 gaetan_B     maybe that will work better than on my local instance
10:40 gaetan_B     i think i will try installing them on their server now
10:40 gaetan_B     so i guess the files are ok now actually
10:40 gaetan_B     well sophie_m has tried on another instance and has no error
10:40 kf           yaml
10:40 kf           ö
10:40 kf           that is using yam
10:40 kf           gaetan_B: hm maybe the pref file
10:17 gaetan_B     well i solved it by removing a lonely %, but i get an even more cryptic error now: "Syck parser (line 300, column -1): syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/YAML/Syck.pm line 126, <$fh> line 1."
10:13 gaetan_B     can't copy and paste from vim
10:13 gaetan_B     meh
10:13 gaetan_B     the incriminated part seems to be this :
10:10 kf           sometiems a tempate problem, or a string weirdly translated maybe
10:10 kf           hm yes
10:06 gaetan_B     anyone ever had an error like "Completely confused parametrizing -- msgid:" when running translate install ?
10:06 * magnuse    goes looking for lunch
10:05 * magnuse    keeps his fingers crossed
09:56 * kf         kinda doubts that the timeline
09:49 * magnuse    wonders how that is going
09:49 magnuse      rangi: yup "We intend to have this coded and fully tested by the end of July 2013"
09:41 rangi        masscat
09:41 wizzyrea     this sounds like a library that was talked into some technology and now has to figure out how to make the investment worthwhile
09:41 magnuse      wasn't there some library that was in a hurry to add ncip to koha? or am i confusing things?
09:41 wizzyrea     dunno seems... silly
09:40 wizzyrea     sheet, roll, however they are delivered.
09:40 wizzyrea     This sheet of tags was added with numbers 1-10, they are in these books, here you go
09:40 rangi        which is why ncip was created
09:39 wizzyrea     then handing that off to the cataloguer
09:39 rangi        and still call it sip2
09:39 rangi        so you can do anything, or nothing
09:39 wizzyrea     you'd be better off sequencing your RFID tags, adding multiple copies
09:39 rangi        is it isnt a ratified standard
09:39 rangi        the problem with SIP2
09:39 gaetan_B     to me neither
09:39 gaetan_B     exactly it doesn't
09:39 kf           doesn't sound like a big win to me
09:39 kf           and how would sip know which record to attach the item to?
09:38 gaetan_B     me neither, also you would end up creating a lot of empty bibliographic records for data that you might already have
09:38 kf           I think here they either convert (have already a barcode that is then written on the tag) or they work with the ILS
09:38 kf           gaetan_B: hm have never heard of doing it that way
09:37 magnuse      kf:  DefaultClassificationSource - thanks!
09:37 wizzyrea     that sounds like extra work
09:36 gaetan_B     kf: in this case someone would be in charge of putting the tags on the books, they would then be created in the system, after that, the person in charge of the cataloguing would just look up the correct tag, find the item and edit its metadata in the software
09:35 rangi        however it is part of standard ncip
09:35 gaetan_B     ok thanks, we won't use it then
09:35 rangi        gaetan_B: its an extension, not part of the standard spec
09:34 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
09:34 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:34 wizzyrea     @quote get 123
09:34 wizzyrea     I don't know of any koha library adding items that way
09:34 kf           gaetan_B: koha has other ways you can add items, via the restful api I think
09:34 kf           gaetan_B: it sounds a bit strange too actually - what's the use case?
09:34 kf           gaetan_B: i think not supported
09:33 kf           magnuse: look for classification in the system preferences - we just changed that in one of our installations like 5 min ago :)
09:33 wahanui      system preference is probably ReservesMaxPickUpDelay
09:33 kf           magnuse: system preference
09:32 gaetan_B     i have no idea how koha would behave in this case or if this is supported at all actually
09:32 gaetan_B     i just learnt you can create a new item through this protocol
09:32 gaetan_B     anyone knowledgeable with SIP around here ?
09:26 magnuse      the way it seems to work now, 942$2 = ddc will be added to all records i edit, unless i remember to go to the 9 tab and choose the empty option
09:25 magnuse      i think it should display the first, empty option when the record has no info in 942
09:25 magnuse      s/no 942 tag/no 942 tag in the records i'm looking at/
09:24 magnuse      (it's MARC, so it's weird by definition, i know...)
09:24 magnuse      when i look at the marc view there is no 942 tag at all, but when i go to edit the record it shows "ddc" as selected for 942$2
09:23 wizzyrea     define weird
09:23 magnuse      hm, something weird with the 942$2 field in the cataloguing screen in marc21?
09:10 rangi        2 barcodes is pretty special
09:06 huginn       magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:06 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
09:06 magnuse      @quote get 123
09:06 magnuse      wow, books with two barcodes
08:44 magnuse      ah
08:42 kf           magnuse: that's what I meant yesterday :)
08:42 magnuse      lol
08:39 wahanui      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4
08:39 rangi        self check?
08:39 rangi        magnuse:
08:09 magnuse      anyway, i sent a couple questions to the wmu.se people on the list, hope they'll answer :-)
08:09 magnuse      ah, thanks
08:08 jajm         magnuse, no it doesn't. you can look at the API in Koha::REST::Dispatch (http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=blob;f=Koha/REST/Dispatch.pm;hb=HEAD)
08:05 magnuse      jajm: does that mean koha-restful does not support availability at the moment?
08:05 magnuse      jajm: i don't need it at the moment, i'm just curious :-)
08:02 jajm         magnuse, if you really need to get availability in a restful way, feel free to add this feature to koha-restful ;) it's also on github https://github.com/clrh/koha-restful (but maybe not up-to-date)
07:54 magnuse      and yes, there is the GetAvailability call in ILS-DI, nice
07:53 magnuse      yup
07:53 rangi        however people say restful a lot, when they just mean a web based api
07:53 rangi        but its not really restful
07:53 rangi        you could do it with the ils-di
07:52 rangi        not truly restful no
07:52 magnuse      but is there anything restful in koha today for querying item availability?
07:51 magnuse      yup
07:51 rangi        you'd have to ask them
07:51 rangi        perhaps
07:49 magnuse      so when the wmu.se people talk about "live availability and location lookups performed asynchronously through the  koha-restful  api", does that mean they use the rest code from biblibre? ( http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=summary )
07:44 dcook        Have a good evening/night/morning/afternoon, everyone :)
07:44 dcook        I think I might just quit while I'm ahead
07:43 magnuse      lol
07:43 dcook        I...
07:43 dcook        ...
07:43 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Coldwater, Michigan is 19.0°C (3:35 AM EDT on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:43 dcook        @wunder david's office
07:43 wizzyrea     :)
07:43 wizzyrea     hi kf
07:42 wizzyrea     it's chillyish
07:42 * wizzyrea   nods
07:42 huginn       wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
07:42 wizzyrea     @wunder nzwn
07:42 dcook        Actually, at the moment, I think it's time for cheap food and bad movies
07:42 dcook        Maybe I should reserve my complaining until my appendages start actually falling off
07:41 kf           but my coworkers disagree
07:41 kf           dcook: i think the weather is quite nice :)
07:41 kf           hi wizzyrea
07:41 dcook        Well...maybe not quite
07:41 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (9:40 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:41 kf           @wunder Konstanz
07:41 dcook        -30 at Christmas felt warmer than this
07:40 dcook        I think it's actually warmer outside
07:40 dcook        Or maybe I secretly work in a freezer...
07:40 wizzyrea     toes made of ice at 14. You are funny.
07:40 dcook        I swear huginn's lying.
07:40 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (5:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:40 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
07:40 * dcook      thinks his toes migiht be made of ice
07:29 wahanui      bidet, gaetan_B
07:29 gaetan_B     hello
07:27 magnuse      beautiful night here last night: sun, absolutely no wind, warm... until some fog drifted in around midnight. today is grey, though
07:26 kf           blue sky here too and fresh air after the rain
07:22 christophe_c hello magnuse, yes not so hot in Marseille, but blue sky ..;-)
07:21 christophe_c bonjour kf ;-)
07:20 kf           hi christophe_c :)
07:10 magnuse      :-)
07:10 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:10 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:10 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:10 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:10 magnuse      bonjour!
07:09 christophe_c hello #koha
07:08 kf           Hi again #koha
06:44 wahanui      que tal, reiveune
06:44 reiveune     hello
06:30 cait         kia ora magnuse
06:15 magnuse      eythian: still around?
06:14 magnuse      kia ora #koha!
06:08 cait         hm. she finally went to bed that is :)
06:07 wahanui      Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
06:07 cait         druthb?
05:42 * druthb     should probably go to bed, but having had a nap earlier, probably would not sleep much
05:36 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :)
05:35 mtompset     I really should get some sleep. :)
05:35 druthb       Hi, mtompset! :)
05:35 cait         hi mtompset
05:35 mtompset     Greetings, cait eythian druthb.
05:22 cait         hi eythian
05:21 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
05:20 eythian      @wunder nzwn
05:20 wahanui      hello cait are you here?
05:20 eythian      hello cait
05:19 cait         yeah it has cooled down quite a bit
05:19 cait         22 i think
05:18 dcook        Weren't you having days that were 18 degrees at this same time?
05:18 cait         is it?
05:18 dac          That weather of yours is so bizarre
05:18 huginn       dac: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 14.0°C (3:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
05:18 dac          @wunder sydney, australia
05:18 cait         heh thx
05:18 huginn       dac: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
05:17 cait         morning dac
05:17 dac          @wunder konstanz
05:17 dac          morning cait
05:15 cait         good morning #koha
02:36 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
01:01 rangi        :)
01:00 dcook        I might be doing a Google search for Koha and filtering out the main Koha ILS sites...:p
00:59 dcook        http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/koha
00:54 dcook        https://www.facebook.com/pages/Koha-Community-Cafe/323847370751
00:50 dcook        Seems like they have capitalization issues too
00:50 dcook        http://www.cafekoha.com/