IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-11

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00:07 jcamins DInner time!
00:07 jcamins *Dinner
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00:16 drojf good late evening or early morning #koha ;)
00:17 dcook morning, drojf
00:17 drojf hi dcook
00:24 jcamins_away spiker: I'm not here, and I'm leaving again, but don't change the username/password. Your librarians should never use the database user. You have to login with that user and create real users for them.
00:25 jcamins_away The database user should basically be used only by the system administrator.
00:25 jcamins_away And if the system administrator has to look up the password with sudo, that's a good thing.
00:25 * jcamins_away leaves, after giving eythian a significant look about the packaging patches.
00:26 rangi hes in training all day
00:26 drojf hibye jcamins_away ;)
00:26 rangi with
00:29 drojf hi rangi. that guy made a lot of perl stuff
00:29 drojf DNA-0.03 Encodes your Perl program into an Nucleic Acid sequence <-- sounds like something everybody needs :)
00:30 rangi we use a ton of his stuff
00:30 rangi like Test::Simple
00:31 rangi he also knows a crapton about git
00:31 rangi which is what cjh, wizzyrea_away and eythian_ are at today
00:31 drojf cool
00:31 drojf i wish cool people would come to me to teach me stuff
00:31 rangi tomorrow is modern perl and style
00:31 rangi im going to those 2
00:32 * dcook = jealous
00:32 eythian_ jcamins_away: there's an issue with the repo that needs to be fixed first though. Email has been sent.
00:32 * ibeardslee was going to style, until the 'plan' was mangled at short notice.
00:33 rangi well they had like 2 days to convince him to change his tickets and come to wellington, so im not sure you can do too much planning in that time
00:33 rangi im just stoked they got him here at all
00:34 ibeardslee that is true as well
00:34 eythian_ yeah, that plan was created at short notice, so I'm not sure it can be mangled :)
00:34 rangi the git one ended up being a full day
00:34 rangi so things got pushed
00:35 drojf i'd probably have to learn a lot more before i could thoroughly enjoy such sessions
00:35 eythian_ drojf: you'd know enough for this one
00:35 drojf cool, i'll come by ;)
00:36 rangi drojf: a much shorter version of his git talk is available as a video online
00:37 rangi[…]Ages_4_And_Up.ogv
00:37 ibeardslee it's a pity the git one was miss named .. I would have like to have been able to plan on making it.
00:38 drojf cool, thanks. love the title
00:38 rangi *nod*
00:45 drojf i shouldn't start watching git videos at half past one in the morning. but it is a nice speaker
00:46 drojf s/it/he
00:46 rangi yeah he is
00:46 rangi[…]flight-training-9  <-- looks like fun!
01:09 dcook Hmm, apparently Koha 3.8 and older versions of IE really do not get along...
01:09 rangi i have no issues with that :)
01:09 dcook :p
01:09 rangi using older version of IE on the internet is incredibly dangerous
01:11 dcook Hmm, seems like it
01:12 dcook Why are IT departments the ones who are keeping organizations on old versions of IE then?
01:12 rangi heck even microsoft tell people not to
01:12 drojf koha should hand out an exploit that automatically does format c: and installs linux to older IE versions :P just kidding. maybe
01:13 rangi heh
01:16 dcook While I think everyone hates IE, what are some preferred browsers out there?
01:17 rangi firefox and chrome
01:17 rangi both of them render js a lot faster than IE
01:17 rangi as an added bonus
01:18 rangi so cataloguing is faster
01:18 dcook They must have their opponents as well though
01:18 dcook Besides corporate IT
01:18 rangi hmm not really
01:18 rangi i dont find anyone who likes IE
01:18 rangi just people forced to use it
01:18 drojf ./rant ;)
01:19 dcook ;)
01:19 dcook That's what I've found as well
01:19 dcook People forced to use it
01:19 dcook But I just don't understand why someone or something would force it upon them
01:19 rangi usually it boils down the reasons drojf mentioned
01:19 dcook Mmm
01:19 rangi IT depts have forgotten what they are for
01:20 rangi they are there to serve the users
01:20 rangi a lot of them think their time is more important, and so they do what is easiest for them
01:20 drojf i have heard of organisations that had someone develop $stuff for them, and that only works with IE 6. so they will use it forever. because they paid for $stuff 10+ years ago
01:20 rangi there is that too
01:20 dcook Mmm, I've also heard this
01:20 rangi a lot of south korea is run on activex
01:21 rangi they they locked to IE
01:21 rangi and old IE
01:21 drojf does activex still exist? :)
01:21 rangi nope
01:21 rangi only in old IE
01:21 drojf heh
01:21 mtj ^^ alot of old govt/corperate webapps only run on IE/activex, and its too expensive to fix them
01:21 rangi thats why open standards/languages are so much better
01:22 dcook I certainly would not disagree
01:24 mtj .. ive heard the same stories from IT staff too
01:25 rangi lots of intranets
01:25 mtj yep, stuck on ie/activex/winxp
01:26 drojf there seems to be a strong interest in MS preventing that. we had the city of munich switch to linux for public services and lately there has been a "study" that came to the result that everything would be cheaper if they [i don't remeber: either »would not have switched to linux« or even »would switch back to MS now«]. a study initiated by MS and they also left out the license costs for MS products. that is the point where i stopped reading. there
01:27 rangi yeah
01:27 dcook Ugh
01:27 dcook Reminds me of a few non-IT studies that I've read in recent years.
01:28 dcook Always done by the producers of the product being marketed, of course
01:28 rangi yep
01:31 drojf i mean… it's really easy at least for future employees. make it a rule to only use and teach free(dom) software in schools/ universities. bam, nobody cries if s/he cannot use MS word. but of course MS goes into schools and universities and throws their stuff out for free and for some reasons that i don't understand, people are buying into that
01:32 rangi people look at now, not tomorrow
01:32 rangi </gross generalisation>
01:32 dcook hehe
01:33 drojf true, unfortunately. for most people in charge of something. now and immediate future is what is important to get you re-/elected for $whatever
01:33 rangi yup
01:34 dcook Mmm, very true
01:34 drojf people don't remember what cool stuff you did 5 or 10 years ago
01:34 drojf so why care? :/
01:34 dcook Yet, the trend is to follow the trends :p
01:34 rangi dcook: but in libraryland usually after the trend is no longer relevant
01:34 rangi :)
01:34 dcook Very true
01:34 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
01:34 rangi heh wahanui
01:34 wahanui it has been said that heh i am good
01:35 drojf you are :D
01:43 drojf the longer i think about it… the preference of making people use proprietary software instead of free software and the privatisation of public goods (think water, electricy, public transportation…) seems to be propagated by the same (kind of) people. and no matter how hard i try, i cannot find a valid reason for it, besides bribes and corruption. what positive outcome for the general public to there ever be?
01:44 drojf could there ever be
01:45 rangi there isn't
01:45 rangi but they don't care about that
01:45 dcook I think the argument for proprietary software might include security/reliability (which is bogus as we've already pointed out), and as for privatisation of public goods, I think the idea is that competition allows for cheaper prices and more efficiency (which is also quite bogus)
01:45 rangi yep
01:46 rangi and those are reasons thought up to try to give some legitimacy to what is a fairly thinly disguised money grab
01:46 dcook I'm originally from a conservative region where the privatization of public goods has been a hot topic for years (despite our province also being the birthplace of medicare and the first province to be entirely electrified, as well as filled to the brim with co-ops that we all used for our banks, our grocery stores, our gas stations, etc)
01:46 rangi privatise profit, socialise losses
01:46 rangi its a trend
01:46 rangi cept in iceland
01:46 rangi :)
01:47 dcook Oh?
01:47 rangi they had a referendum
01:47 rangi voted to not bail out the banks
01:47 rangi and jailed the bankers instead
01:48 dcook Whoa!
01:48 rangi[…]-crisis-response/
01:48 dcook What happened after that?
01:48 rangi one of the few growing economies in the world
01:49 rangi the debt is all not real anyway
01:49 drojf dcook: it can never be cheaper than the actual costs. so either your public service used to put a lot of extra stuff on the bill that did not have to do with anything and taking that out makes it look cheaper, or you are being betrayed. or, they screw with the environment and/or people, and for instance throw out waste into the ocean, which might reduce costs. but that is something nobody would want ( i hope)
01:49 rangi only about 1/3 of money in circulation actually exists
01:49 drojf iceland++
01:50 drojf css--
01:50 drojf well, it's probably me, not css
01:51 dcook ie--
01:51 dcook iceland++
01:51 dcook Fair enough, drojf
01:51 dcook Admittedly, as we have mentioned though, there is a lot of waste in public service  when the motto of "business as usual" is followed.
01:52 dcook I'd rather stronger reviews in public service than privatisation though
01:53 dcook As you say, it can never be cheaper than the actual costs
01:53 dcook My reasoning might be full of holes atm. Still no air conditioning. Brain might be melting.
01:54 drojf that is what privatisation / »public-private partnership« is all about. to make you believe it is possible to do it cheaper.
01:54 dcook Well, I suppose that's capitalism in general even
01:58 drojf i think so, yes
02:02 dcook Hmm, anyone have any idea what the "* HTML DIV" type styles are for in staff-global.css?
02:04 drojf given that i completely fail to understand css every time i try to use it (like, now), i would not dare to answer that
02:04 rangi heh
02:04 dcook Hehe. Fair enough.
02:04 rangi yeah me too
02:04 dcook What are you getting up to with CSS?
02:05 dcook I've used the * selector before, but always after the elements, not before. As far as I know, using it in this context is redundant
02:05 dcook But then applying height and overflow attributes to ever div seems odd as well
02:05 dcook Although it doesn't seem to be a problem in any browser except the old ones
02:05 * dcook assumes Owen will have an answer
02:05 rangi he usually does
02:09 dcook Mmm
02:10 * dcook just remembered that putting a * before the elements in CSS is a IE specific hack
02:10 dcook In this case, it seems to be a silly one as it creates a problem rather than fixing one...
02:10 dcook No wonder it doesn't affect modern browsers
02:15 drojf dcook: don't forget that you need a special hack for probably every version of IE
02:15 dcook Mmm, good point
02:15 dcook I'm a bit surprised to find no comments around this one though
02:19 drojf err. whatever i have been doing i could fix by *throwing out all css about that element*. and it only took me 30+min to figure it out. just to reinforce i should not answer any questions regarding css ;)
02:21 dcook Hehe. Understood ;)
02:25 dcook Hmm. Well, I'm going to join you on that one. Seems like that IE hack has been there for years...and somehow isn't the cause of the problem, even though turning it off in my problem situation fixes the problem...
02:32 mtj dcook, curious what browser are you testing on?
02:32 dcook Internet Explorer, of course
02:32 dcook I'm using 9 with the F12 developer tools
02:33 dcook I'm getting the issues when I use the Quirks mode document mode
02:33 dcook Of course
02:33 dcook I think someone is using IE 6 and getting problems, but it looks to me that they must've always had problems with any version of Koha
02:34 dcook I've double-checked the back-up though, and it does look like the IE hack is the one creating the problem, which it probably was meant to solve?
02:48 eythian_
02:52 rangi thats like cil that andy did
02:52 rangi
02:53 eythian_ yeah
02:54 drojf good night
02:54 wahanui I watch you sleep.
02:54 drojf i know :/
02:56 eythian_ wahanui: good night is also <reply>I'll be waiting for you to come back, $who.
02:56 wahanui okay, eythian_.
03:13 mtj andy's cil thing looks well clever
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04:02 mtj schema?
04:02 wahanui i guess schema is tracked in git. or found at
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04:05 Brooke kia ora
04:09 mtj hey Brooke
04:09 Brooke what's up?
04:09 mtj whole lotta shakin'
04:10 Brooke roger that
04:12 mtj sorry i missed seeing-you-off at the airport in wgtn, i got crazy sick the day before… :/
04:12 mtj (not sure if we've chatted since then?)
04:17 Brooke thought we did
04:17 Brooke it's all good
04:18 Brooke you were so sweet when I was there :)
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05:17 govind koha installation
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05:54 paul_p hello #koha
05:54 dcook morning, paul_p
05:55 paul_p dcook morning almost finished where I am now (Delhi, india). I'm here for ICAL2013 (
05:56 dcook I was wondering why your ip was different :p
05:57 dcook Hmm, the link didn't work for me
05:57 dcook How is it?
05:59 paul_p dcook = it starts tomorrow, so for the conference, I don't know how it is. For Delhi & India, my main surprise is that the weather is very very nice. Something like 15° in the morning, and 20-25° during the day. So different compared to Mumbai in oct (KohaCon11)
05:59 paul_p dcook ICAL = International Conference for Academic Libraries. The main topic being "cloud computing" (and of course Koha as ILS on the cloud). 250-300 registrations
06:03 * paul_p still impressed to see what happened in the last 10 years, since the 1st mail I sent to koha mailing list saying "i'll work on Koha" (because my employer just goes bankrupcy & i've a religious library friend of mine that is looking for a free ILS)
06:04 dcook Hehe
06:04 dcook Well, I'm glad to hear that the weather has been nice
06:04 dcook I'm sure ICAL will be very interesting, especially since it seems that Koha is increasingly popular in India
06:05 dcook I would like to hear more about how you got involved in the project actually, but I have to run along to prepare for a dinner party
06:05 dcook I actually just took a look at the number of patches I've had pushed since my first last March. I think it's around 24. Not too bad considering I was out of commission for 4.5 months and incredibly busy.
06:06 dcook Hopefully, I'll find some time soon to actually start signing off more patches than just adding to the pile
06:07 dcook En tout cas, bonne chance demain, paul_p. Bonne journée :)
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06:49 magnuse heh
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06:54 cait morning magnuse :)
06:55 cait lol
07:14 magnuse hiya cait
07:18 cait morning :)
07:18 cait oh repeating myself...
07:18 magnuse in norway we say that a good thing can not be said too often ;-)
07:21 cait :)
07:21 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:21 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -5.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
07:41 magnuse @wunder boo
07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:42 magnuse windchill--
07:42 magnuse @wunder karasjok
07:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Karasjok, Norway is -22.2°C (8:39 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
07:42 magnuse @wunder kautokeino
07:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -24.0°C (7:00 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -27.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Rising).
07:42 magnuse @wunder rrs
07:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -9.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:43 * magnuse wonders if the change from XML::SAX to XML::LibXML in MARC::File::XML affects the koha installation process
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07:47 reiveune hello
07:47 wahanui hola, reiveune
07:47 cait bbl
07:47 magnuse bonjour reiveune
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07:52 marcelr hi koha
07:53 magnuse cait++ for qa'ing
07:54 magnuse hiya marcelr
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07:57 asaurat hi
07:57 wahanui salut, asaurat
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08:00 gaetan_B hello
08:00 ambars hi
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08:02 ambars i got my koha setup working and it's looking great!
08:02 ambars :)
08:02 ambars thank you, koha!
08:02 alex_a bonjour
08:02 wahanui hello, alex_a
08:04 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 6.8°C (9:01 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
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08:06 marcelr hi magnuse asaurat alex_a
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08:14 alex_a hi Manderson
08:14 alex_a hi marcelr
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08:23 marcelr hi kf: thx for qa
08:23 kf marcelr: you are welcome
08:23 kf marcelr: I haven't had much time lately - very sorry for that
08:23 marcelr i know that
08:23 marcelr :)
08:23 kf hope it will be better next week, some deadlines form my distance study will be over then
08:23 kf and either I made them... or not :)
08:23 marcelr ok
08:24 marcelr queue is quite large
08:25 kf yeah :(
08:26 kf I only had about half an hour this morning, so didn't tackle the bigger patches
08:26 kf but there is lots
08:26 kf and lots of good things too
08:27 marcelr yeah, just the number is misleading..
08:27 kf i would love to see bootstrap replacing yui for example
08:27 kf for better accessibility
08:27 marcelr seems a big one
08:28 kf yeah
08:28 kf but probably not as hard to test as some of the circ stuff
08:28 kf we will see.
08:28 marcelr yes
08:28 kf thx for your qa work :)
08:29 marcelr it is not so much as i would like..
08:29 kf i guess it never is...
08:29 kf but as long as we keep moving it will be fine :)
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09:16 Herwig Morning & help my users dissapeared in koha
09:16 Herwig annyone had this ?
09:17 kf Herwig: we need a bit more inforamtion to help you
09:17 kf what do you mean by your users disappeared?
09:18 Herwig i cant see them in the patron list
09:18 Herwig friday they where still there
09:19 Herwig or saterday
09:19 Herwig and i tested 2 they can still login
09:19 Herwig only the patron list is reste to a previous state
09:20 Herwig i put in a lot off patrons last week
09:20 Herwig now they are invissible :OP
09:20 Herwig zebra ?
09:20 wahanui i think zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
09:21 kf Herwig: you can't search them by name?
09:21 kf did you update koha since then?
09:21 kf patron search doesn't use zebra.
09:21 Herwig no i only get me
09:21 kf are they registered at other branches?
09:22 kf did you activate the independentbranches system preference?
09:22 Herwig i have 2 branches but did not do the other yet
09:22 Herwig would reindexing help ?
09:22 kf nope
09:22 kf as I said
09:22 kf patron search does not use zebra.
09:22 Herwig oeps
09:22 kf it's totally unrelated ;)
09:23 kf my guess is, that you are logged in at another branch
09:23 kf whatis your koha version?
09:23 Herwig with branch you are reffering to the library ?
09:24 Herwig
09:25 kf yes
09:25 kf it will show up in the upper corner
09:25 kf the branch you are logged in at
09:25 kf can you go to the system preferences and check your setting for independentbranches?
09:26 Herwig i can search myself but i'm  not under the corresponding letter wait i do what you say
09:28 Herwig dont prevent
09:28 Herwig it is
09:28 kf hm
09:28 kf I am not sure really
09:28 kf I know that the search all functionaltiy does not work in 3.8
09:28 kf so you have to give some search term
09:29 kf or search for patrons at a library
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09:29 Herwig its like there  still in the database but i dont see them
09:29 Herwig wait i try login as admin
09:30 kf if your user don't has borrowers permission that could be another reaso
09:31 Herwig no dont see annything
09:32 Herwig the previous account was super librarian
09:32 Herwig same with this one
09:33 kf hm I am running out of ideas Herwig
09:34 Herwig is it possible that the system restores to a previous state ?
09:35 Herwig my collegue is reporting something diffrent missing
09:35 Herwig i'm looking into it
09:35 kf not the systemno
09:36 kf I mean it can't restore to a previous state, it woudl have to be something an admin did
09:36 kf server side
09:36 Herwig i asked but they said no
09:36 Herwig hmz
09:36 kf yeah. hmpf.
09:37 Herwig i do a database dump daily i try restore the friday one on a test machine and see what that brings
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10:22 Herwig we maybe found the problem ... disk space on the machine is 0 % left
10:23 Herwig admin will make it bigger this afthernoon (its a virtual machine)
11:30 Herwig kf: it's solved it was the diskspace but thx for the information
11:31 Herwig even linux needs diskspace
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11:53 kf Herwig: makes sense - glad you found it
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13:11 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:20 kf hi oleonard
13:20 kf oleonard: sorry for failing the acq navigation :(
13:20 oleonard Sorry to keep making you test it over again :)
13:21 kf no problem :)
13:24 magnuse oleonard++ kf++
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13:24 magnuse namaste paul_p
13:24 kf oleonard: and I always test those first again that I failed before... so it stays on top of my list
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13:28 paul_p namaste magnuse (internet connexion quite randomly working here...)
13:28 kf hi paul_p :)
13:28 kf how is India? :)
13:28 kf an and zeno is coming to the hackfest
13:29 paul_p kf surprisingly cold !!! weather is absolutely perfect. 15°C in the morning, 20-25° maximum. sunny, a tiny wind, really absolutely perfect !
13:29 kf sounds nice :)
13:29 kf not too warm
13:30 kf hope you have a good time! what is this conf about?
13:31 paul_p kf other than this, it can be compared to Mumbaï (lot of ppl, lot of pollution, lot of traffic, ...)
13:32 paul_p kf it's ICAL2013 (International Conference for Academic Libraries). The main topic is "cloud computing, how can it help indian libraries"
13:32 kf ah
13:32 kf interesting
13:32 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
13:32 kf here privacy is a big concern about cloud computing
13:33 kf well... at least about clouds with servers somewhere
13:33 kf oleonard++ #patching the chromium bug :)
13:34 oleonard Should I get karma for patching a bug I caused? :)
13:34 kf hm yes, because you care about it
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14:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #280 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 19 days ago)
14:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #280: STILL FAILING in 1 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/280/
14:21 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add idreambooks images
14:26 kf oleonard: seeing your fix for bug 9545 - I think I reported a bug in that area you might address
14:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
14:27 kf ah
14:27 kf 8558
14:27 kf bug 8558
14:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8558 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Better confirmation message for importing frameworks
14:28 oleonard Oh, I'm sorry I didn't see that before. I did revise that message in my fix for 9545 to make it more readable.
14:28 kf was just checking your code to see if it might fix it :)
14:29 kf I was only wondering if we coudl add the framework to the confirmation message
14:29 kf because I always panic and wonder if I really clicked the right entry
14:29 oleonard My fix doesn't address your bug, but I agree that it's a good idea
14:29 kf thx for always working on the stray templates :)
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14:58 oleonard kf: I resubmitted my patch for Bug 8913 and left it as 'signed off' because the change was minor. If you disagree please feel free to set it to 'needs signoff'
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Improve acquisitions navigation
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15:13 kf oleonard: it's ok for me :)
15:14 kf do you want me to open a separate bug for the invoices page?
15:14 kf it's rather new so I think you didn't cover it in your patch because it was not there back then
15:14 oleonard I would like to handle further changes in follow-ups. If you think a separate bug is best I'm okay with that.
15:15 kf I think jcamins_away likes it better if a bug is not reopened after pushing the initial feature
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15:35 druthb Wahoo!  The Pootle server now has a v3.12 project, and it includes the ccsr theme!  :D
15:37 druthb translators++
15:40 kf wahoo :)
15:41 magnuse druthb++
15:41 druthb I wanna get the ccsr theme on the 3.10 branch, tooooooo.
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15:43 * kf coughs loudly                                                                                              23426 words need attention
15:43 kf omg.
15:43 drojf ouch
15:44 drojf how did that happen?
15:44 kf new features I guess
15:44 kf and rewritten templates
15:44 druthb Most of it on staff, it looks like.
15:44 kf but that's a good thing in general.. I mean fixing things
15:44 kf druthb: most of it is always staff... it will get a lot worse when nicole submits her help files
15:45 drojf if you want to read help files, learn english :P
15:45 * druthb chains drojf to the desk, and locks the browser into Pootle.
15:45 drojf noooooooo
15:45 * druthb cracks the whip.
15:45 kf you know the problem, we can't easily ignore the help files...
15:46 kf lol
15:46 kf druthb++ :P
15:46 druthb For whip-crackin?
15:46 kf for makign drojf do it :P
15:46 druthb I dunno.  23Kwords.  Might need both of ya.
15:46 drojf unfortunately i have to study instead of doing unpaid translation :P
15:47 druthb Norwegian is a hot mess too.
15:47 * druthb cracks the whip on magnuse, too
15:47 drojf @seen mveron
15:47 huginn drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <mveron> BRB
15:47 drojf hm
15:47 druthb   #giggles
15:48 drojf heh, nz english requires a lot of attention
15:49 drojf when is translation time?
15:49 drojf ah, i pout that on the wiki i think
15:50 drojf String freeze - May 1  Starting on May 1, no patch (other than security patches) changing translatable strings will be accepted for Koha 3.12.0.
15:51 * magnuse sighs
15:53 * magnuse will hardly be upgrading to 3.12.0 anyway...
15:55 drojf like, never?
15:56 drojf oh, 3.12.0. that probably never
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15:56 drojf but the words won't go away, you know? ;)
15:56 * drojf applies for the job of a pope
15:57 drojf and then we will do vatikoha
15:58 drojf in latin
15:59 kf bernardo++ :)
16:00 kf drojf: lol
16:00 kf druthb: en-nz is cheating
16:00 kf they just copy over
16:00 kf most of it
16:00 wahanui most of it is alive again afaict
16:00 druthb wahanui: forget most of it
16:00 wahanui druthb: I forgot most of it
16:02 * druthb thinks drojf would make a dandy pope.  Plus, two German popes in a row--that's *never* happened.  We hadda wait a looooong time for this one, and he turned out to be...less awesome than his predecessor.
16:02 kf drojf for pope!
16:02 * kf hides
16:05 drojf oh, and i would inherit the @pontifex twitter account \o/
16:14 reiveune bye
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16:18 druthb no need to hide, kf; looks like drojf is all for it!
16:19 druthb he has my vote, fer sure.
16:19 kf druthb: more worried about everyone else
16:20 druthb psst...hey, drojf...when you're Pope, will you talk to people about funding libraries better?  Oh, and that whole LGBT equality thing?  Yeah, Benedict XVI got it All Wrong, and people like me get killed by their (Catholic) neighbors a lot.
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16:21 druthb :P
16:23 drojf druthb: yeah i'm beginning to wonder where i will find enough LGBT hate to qualify for the job
16:23 drojf also, faith in a god
16:24 druthb That would be a problem, yes.
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16:25 druthb For someone who heads a religion that preaches universal love to all mankind, the incumbent sure seemed to dislike a lot of people.
16:26 drojf true
16:27 drojf but only because they are bad! :/
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16:27 * druthb suggests you ask any of her teammates, or kf, or any one of a dozen other regulars here, if she's a bad person, and then compare that to Benedict's opinion of me, and weigh appropriately.
16:28 alaquerre HI all, - Question : How can we send Html email using notification  ? I do see the "Html Message" checkbox, but I'm not able to make it work ?
16:29 alaquerre It's always plain text whatever I try.
16:31 kf alaquerre: I think there is a wiki article that might be able to help you
16:31 kf let me look for it
16:31 kf I haven't tried myself yet, but I kinda filed away that ther was information ont he wiki if I wanted to :)
16:32 alaquerre Do you know where that wiki is ? Can't find anything in the doc on that subject.
16:32 kf give me a min
16:33 kf[…]Notices_and_Slips
16:33 kf there are some examples that might be useful I think
16:34 alaquerre That's what I was looking for. :-) Thanks for your help!
16:34 kf you are welcome
16:34 kf hope it works
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16:39 bag morning
16:39 wahanui rumour has it morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
16:39 chris_n just when you thought you were safe:[…]acks-online-video
16:42 kf hi chris_n and ba
16:42 kf g
16:43 chris_n heya kf
16:43 alaquerre kf: Just an FYI : I was not able to make it work.  I tested it on "ACQCLAIM" notice and still getting plain text.  In the wiki you provided me, it mention : Only tested out on checkout and checkin.  Look like the process of "send letter" is not completly on this new way to work.
16:43 alaquerre Just to let you know :-)
16:45 kf alaquerre: aah
16:45 kf don't do it with acqclaim
16:45 * drojf tries to continue studying
16:45 kf it probably won't work
16:45 kf try it with checkout/checkin/due/predue or something like that
16:46 kf I think serials/acq might not work I think
16:48 * kf leaves :) bye all
16:48 kf !
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16:50 jcamins_away magnuse: why aren't you going to upgrade to 3.12?
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16:56 jcamins HTML notices are not working.
16:56 jcamins The HTML support broke all notices so I reverted it.
16:57 alaquerre jcamins : okay thanks, I was not sure what I was doing wrong...
16:57 jcamins Nothing. :)
16:58 * jcamins suspects that kf blocked out my rage over the debacle from her memory.
16:58 * oleonard remembers jcamins telling us how he woke up the next morning wearing nothing but a pair of stretched out purple pants
16:59 jcamins lol
17:00 alaquerre I'll ask you another question :-).  We are currently looking to put in place a "Google calendar" like system in Koha.  Mainly do deal with Hold.  What do you think of the idea ?  What we want to be able to easily put "hard hold" on item ( materials like camera, computer and stuff like that.)
17:00 jcamins Ummm...
17:00 jcamins I think I'd have to see a demo.
17:00 alaquerre Where ? :-)
17:00 jcamins However, the calendar _definitely_ needs to be overhauled.
17:00 alaquerre ok sorry...
17:01 alaquerre ok
17:01 jcamins I'm having trouble envisioning the workflow with a working calendar.
17:02 alaquerre What we think : Put a "google like" calendar when user click on "hold" on an item. We need to handle : recuring hold and blocking hold.
17:02 alaquerre user = Staff at first...
17:03 alaquerre We want to give the ability to let say : Hold a specific DVD for friday PM for 4 months.
17:03 jcamins Ooh.
17:03 jcamins That would be really cool!
17:03 jcamins _Really_ cool.
17:03 alaquerre We also want to have a "visual" display of the current DVD.
17:04 jcamins I think it would be a huge undertaking, though.
17:04 alaquerre I know :-) but right now, my user are dealing with a second software... ($$$)
17:05 jcamins And I would remind you that with developments that big if you don't contribute code to the community in small chunks you end up with an expensive dead end.
17:05 jcamins :)
17:05 alaquerre Next question : I know we are into the opensource software, but how can I "make sure" it will be accepted. (you read in my mind)
17:06 jcamins As it happens, I have written a veritable essay on how to make sure your developments go in.
17:06 jcamins I will find it and share it.
17:07 alaquerre Because I wont start this project if I know it's not accepted, and the internationale community will never be able to tell me it will be accepted... until it is :-)
17:07 alaquerre I would luv to read on it.
17:08 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "alaquerre: my screed on good development practices" (12 lines) at
17:08 alaquerre jcamins: Thanks
17:08 jcamins You may need to paste that into a word processor. I had not realized it would end up with absurdly long lines like that.
17:09 oleonard Was that originally an email to the list jcamins?
17:09 jcamins oleonard: it was not.
17:10 oleonard jcamins++ # great summary
17:10 jcamins Thanks.
17:11 jcamins Something else worth mentioning would be "ask for advice early and often."
17:11 oleonard There are so many steps in that list which could, individually, sink a potential feature
17:14 oleonard (if not followed)
17:14 alaquerre All right, thanks for the advices.  If I catch it properly, we should in the first phase only put the "google calendar" system and make sure it's autorized by the community, then extend with reccuring hold, blocking hold and some other feature...
17:15 * slef returns to kebab some more kittens
17:15 slef yes, alaquerre woke the slef by mentioning the evil google
17:15 alaquerre And this first phase would only replace the current calendar feature we have.
17:15 slef if it's google, make sure it's optional
17:16 alaquerre it "google like" and not "google" ;-)
17:17 slef it's a trojan for privacy invasion and advert sales?
17:17 slef ;)
17:18 jcamins alaquerre: yeah, that would make sense. And in order to do that first step, you'll have to figure out exactly where the calendar needs to show up.
17:18 slef chris_n: that doesn't surprise me one bit, sadly.  Do you have a CERT you can report it to?
17:18 alaquerre slef:Do you prefer Microsoft Calendar ? ;-)
17:18 slef alaquerre: I prefer the calendar we sell ;-)
17:18 slef (based on
17:19 alaquerre jcamins : okay,let me do my homework with my community and I'll get back to you guys for questions/answers before we jump in.  THanks again!!!
17:19 jcamins You're welcome. I look forward to seeing what you come up with!
17:19 jcamins :D
17:19 alaquerre ciao! leaving for lunch.
17:19 oleonard slef: based on = customized?
17:19 * oleonard hadn't heard of sogo
17:20 chris_n slef: working on getting the logs together atm
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17:20 chris_n they've worked from about 4 different ip blocks over the past 5 days
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17:21 slef oleonard: integrated with a mailserver and cloud file synchronisation.
17:21 slef oooh mardi gras tomorrow
17:26 oleonard slef: Sounds  like a nice alternative to Google Apps for Business
17:28 bag yeah mardi gras
17:28 bag great contribution to the conversation there bag!
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17:32 oleonard bag: :)
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17:35 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update serial images with new closed status
17:43 oleonard bgkriegel++ # for signoffs!
17:45 bgkriegel :)
17:50 gaetan_B bye!
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17:53 oleonard Do I recall correctly that jenkins fails the manual build because of &eacute; and &egrave; in the French translation?
17:53 jcamins oleonard: something like that, yes.
17:54 oleonard I wonder if there are others too
17:54 * oleonard doesn't know how to run the test himself
17:54 jcamins I don't know either, actually.
17:57 bgkriegel I think is "xmllint --valid fr/manual.xml"
17:57 bgkriegel that gives errors
17:57 cait bgkriegel++
17:57 cait lots of sign-offs!
17:58 bgkriegel It's holiday here :)
17:58 cait even bgkriegel++ then :)
17:58 bgkriegel thanks
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18:04 oleonard xmllint doesn't like the numeric character reference for the euro symbol either, but it doesn't mind &euro; ?
18:04 oleonard I wonder if the unicode is widely acceptable...
18:05 cait I think it should be unicode
18:05 cait else you can't do something like arabic
18:05 cait probably
18:05 cait hm. maybe I shoudl have dinner.
18:06 oleonard maybe I should have lunch
18:06 * cait nods
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18:52 oleonard xmllint gives other errors regarding the document structure...I'm surprised the original editor let them pass
18:53 * jcamins just learned about XForms.
18:54 oleonard nengard: What's the editor you use for the manual again?
18:54 jcamins I have concluded it is not nearly as useful as one might hope.
18:57 nengard oxygen
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19:18 jcamins @marc 541
19:18 huginn jcamins: Information on the immediate source of acquisition of the described materials. The field is used primarily for original or historical items or other archival collections. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,h,n,o,3,5,6,8]
19:18 jcamins @marc 545
19:18 huginn jcamins: Biographical information about an individual or historical information about an institution or an event used as the main entry of the bibliographic record for the described materials. When a distinction between levels of detail is required, a brief summary is given in subfield $a and a fuller annotation is given in subfield $b. (Repeatable) [a,b,u,6,8]
19:18 jcamins That's the one.
19:18 jcamins @marc 561
19:18 huginn jcamins: A copy-specific field that contains information concerning the ownership and custodial history of the described materials from the time of their creation to the time of their accessioning, including the time at which individual items or group of items were first brought together in their current arrangement or collation. (Repeatable) [a,3,5,6,8]
19:18 jcamins @marc 563
19:19 huginn jcamins: Intended primarily for use with antiquarian materials, rare books and other special collections. (Repeatable) [a,u,3,5,6,8]
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19:35 jcamins oleonard: you are quite right.
19:37 * jcamins updates the bug to reflect the larger scope of the problem.
19:42 oleonard jcamins: I'm glad you turned up Bug 3908, because I thought I was crazy for thinking I'd fixed Bug 7608 before
19:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3908 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Edit subscription page shows manual history block by default
19:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7608 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Manual history is always 'enabled'
19:42 oleonard Same fix too...
19:42 jcamins Yeah, I was a little confused.
19:43 jcamins I guess maybe 3908 went into 3.0-stable and not 3.1-devel.
19:47 * oleonard notices step 8 in jcamins' patch's test plan, "Sign off on patch."
19:47 oleonard So that's what I've been leaving out!
19:47 jcamins Hehe.
19:47 jcamins Just making sure all is clear.
19:48 oleonard Actually I'm very lucky. I hardly ever have patches languish.
19:48 cait because we love your patches :)
19:48 cait hm I should look up languish just to make sure
19:49 cait oh good
19:51 oleonard :)
20:01 * wizzyrea_away waves
20:04 oleonard The cascade of ternary operators at line 984+ of makes my head hurt.
20:07 * cait sends aspirin and cookies
20:09 jcamins Wow.
20:09 jcamins Hi wizzyrea!
20:10 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "oleonard: out of curiosity, does reformatting it like this help at all?" (7 lines) at
20:10 jcamins wizzyrea: any chance I could get you to revert commit c0e60a9079c8ffa970676172870eab75ccbcac5d from 3.6.x?
20:11 wizzyrea sure
20:11 jcamins Thanks!
20:11 jcamins wizzyrea++
20:11 wizzyrea also yes about the license - but not right this second
20:11 jcamins License?
20:11 wahanui hmmm... License is GPLv3+.
20:11 jcamins Thanks, wahanui.
20:11 wahanui jcamins: bitte
20:11 wizzyrea you sent me a later
20:12 jcamins I did?
20:12 jcamins Oh, yes!
20:12 oleonard Like three days ago eh?
20:12 jcamins I did!
20:12 * wizzyrea hasn't been around
20:16 jcamins I hope you were doing something fun? :)
20:16 wizzyrea git training :P
20:16 jcamins Nice!
20:18 * wizzyrea would talk more but can't at the moment :(
20:20 * oleonard shushes everyone so that wizzyrea can get back to listening to the tumblers on the safe
20:20 jcamins Hehe.
20:22 cait wizzyrea: git training sounds fun :)
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20:51 oleonard The size of this search form is too damn wide!
20:51 cait yep
20:51 cait I thought that too today
20:52 cait maybe some of it could be part of the + part?
20:52 oleonard I thought it was another HTML5 bug at first. I guess I hadn't noticed the new option yet
20:52 cait I think it was something slef did not too long ago
20:53 oleonard cait: I'm thinking maybe show just the text input and the "search fields" option?
20:53 jcamins Wow, that's really wide!
20:53 slef oh patrons search?
20:53 cait yes
20:53 cait I like the functionality
20:53 oleonard I'm sure that would make someone mad
20:53 cait only it's bit much to take in
20:53 slef (I can't see screencast)
20:53 * jcamins vaguely remembers that the change was necessary to make the search work again.
20:54 slef jcamins: FSVO "work". We'd lost functionality we used to have.
20:54 jcamins Right.
20:54 cait it's stil not finding all patrons when you send an empty serach...
20:54 cait just noting. sigh.
20:54 cait we used to have that too
20:57 cait hm
20:57 cait someone an idea about bug 9579?
20:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9579 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Incorrect display of UNICODE symbols in 'Refine Search Results'
20:57 cait my armenian is a bit rusty...
20:57 jcamins No idea.
20:58 slef cait: search for _ or __ IIRC, but that's a bug.
20:58 cait slef: huh?
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20:58 slef "finding all patrons when you send an empty serach"
20:58 cait you are confusing me :)
20:58 cait but that's easy to do
21:03 oleonard Search for an empty space I think cait. " "
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21:03 cait ah thx!
21:03 oleonard Sorry wahanui, did that disagree with you?
21:04 eythian_ wahanui has fainting spells
21:04 wahanui eythian_: i'm not following you...
21:06 slef huh?
21:06 slef wahanui: huh?
21:06 wahanui i don't know, slef
21:10 oleonard Do people use the "order by" option when searching patrons?
21:10 cait hm not sure
21:15 oleonard talljoy++
21:15 oleonard Thanks for your help with patron deletions talljoy
21:16 talljoy no problem.  thank goodness for backups!
21:16 bag YAY backups!
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21:54 rangi eythian_: puck was telling me tinymce2 isn't in wheezy (it was in squeeze but has been taken out)
21:54 rangi so we might have to look into replacing that
21:54 eythian_ oh, that's unfortunate.
21:55 eythian_ Actually, I can't remember if we use the packaged version or not, I'd have to check.
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22:09 mib_cn8suk hello to everybody
22:09 mib_cn8suk anyone works with SSO, and proxy CAS?
22:12 rangi not me im afraid
22:12 jcamins Not me.
22:12 mib_cn8suk ok
22:12 mib_cn8suk Its driving me mad
22:12 mib_cn8suk :(
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22:16 dcook Morning, #koha
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22:20 bag morning dcook
22:20 bag hopefully good
22:22 dcook The weather outside has cooled off a bit but the office is still a bit of a hot box. Reasonably good nonetheless though :)
22:22 dcook It's afternoon there?
22:24 bag yup about 2:30
22:24 eythian_ @wunder nzwn
22:24 huginn eythian_: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
22:24 bag @wunder 93102
22:24 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 14.9°C (2:22 PM PST on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
22:26 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
22:26 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (9:00 AM EST on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
22:27 dcook Santa Barbara sounds pretty good about now ;)
22:28 bag it always sounds about the same :)
22:28 bag maybe in the summer we get up to 24
22:30 dcook Oh neat
22:30 dcook I went to uni with TheRealArty
22:30 rangi yep, i gave her chocolate at access 2011
22:30 dcook Always a surefire way to win someone over ;)
22:30 rangi cos she submitted a bug report for koha, in shirley lews class
22:30 dcook Hehe. Sweet.
22:31 bag ah shirley lew!
22:31 dcook Alas, I did not end up taking that class, as I was here in Aus
22:31 bag we are hosting her "sandbox"
22:31 rangi yep
22:32 dcook As far as I know, she's not teaching at SLAIS anymore :/
22:37 dcook Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel has been a machine lately. It's great!
22:37 rangi yep
22:38 dcook I guess I need to find some other bugs to test now though :p
22:39 rangi there's plenty ;)
22:40 dcook Actually, that reminds me...
22:40 dcook Off the top of your head, does Zebra require any tweaks to work with a dev install?
22:42 jcamins No.
22:42 dcook I love your brevity, jcamins ;)
22:42 dcook Good to know
22:44 bag tweaks in what sense?
22:44 bag dom or grs1?
22:47 jcamins None.
22:48 jcamins You can use either without modifying any configuration files manually.
22:49 * bag didn't understand the term "tweaks"  I guess I have a different definition than jared (my bad)
22:49 bag :)
22:49 dcook Sorry, bag. I meant in terms of modifying files manually
22:50 bag ahhh than we are all good dcook - that's all the matters :)
22:50 dcook For some reason, I haven't gotten Zebra to work on my dev install yet, and I haven't had the time to really focus on getting it up and running yet. But...when I'll help with testing patches
22:50 dcook I thought that switching between dom and grs1 did require changes outside of the webui though. Mind you, I haven't looked at that since last year either
22:52 bag I've seen that sometimes there are some group/user issues with the daemon before
22:54 dcook Hmm. How do you mean?
22:55 bag looking one sec
22:55 dcook Sure. Thanks, bag :)
22:57 bag[…]
22:57 bag the GROUP and USER statement there
22:57 bag but it has been awhile since I've gone from step one of the install docs - so my knowledge could be a bit "old"
22:58 bag which has been proven before :P
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23:02 dcook Ohhh...I think I might see what you're saying
23:02 dcook Hmm, maybe not
23:03 bag HA see what I mean
23:04 dcook Well, I'm still rather new to Linux and Zebra, so I'm probably just missing something
23:05 bag yeah permissions was what got me BIG time in the beginning
23:05 jcamins dcook: you should be using your user rather than sudo for all Zebra-related commands.
23:05 dcook Permissions definitely gave me quite a headache at first too. I'm sure jcamins could attest to that with my early patches
23:06 jcamins That's what bag was getting at. :)
23:06 dcook Ahh
23:06 dcook Thanks for the clarification :)
23:06 dcook I don't have root access anyway, so I'm always doing everything as a user
23:08 dcook Wait...
23:09 dcook But "a user" and "your user" are different, as the user specified in that file is koha whereas I'm logged in as a different user
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23:15 dcook I've never had to use the Zebra u/n and p/w when using yaz though, so I'm thinking perhaps this isn't the issue.
23:15 dcook I'm trying a re-index now, and I think it might be working
23:16 * dcook thinks the issue might've been that I wasn't exporting my PERL5LIB and Koha_conf before...
23:16 jcamins No, I meant your login user.
23:16 jcamins And, yeah, PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF are very important.
23:17 dcook :P
23:18 dcook In the past, I think I just saw errors when I tried something, and I chocked it up to inexperience, so I put it off for another time.
23:19 dcook One of these days, I'm going to do a standard install and a dev install from scratch, and right up some wiki docs from the "rookie" perspective.
23:19 dcook Hmm..
23:19 dcook Ok, now I'm thinking that it is a permission/user issue
23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]
23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied]
23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109
23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]
23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/.../lock/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied]
23:20 dcook 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109
23:20 eythian_ if you've run it as root, you've probably broken all your permissions.
23:21 dcook I've never run as root, but perhaps someone else has?
23:21 dcook I'm not running as the Zebra user though
23:21 eythian_ you typically run it as the koha user
23:21 eythian_ you don't normally have a zebra user
23:22 dcook Hmm
23:22 dcook And the koha user is which one?
23:22 dcook bag, the one mentioned in
23:22 eythian_ have a look through your users and see if you have one. It's often called koha.
23:23 jcamins dcook: in a dev install, the koha user is the one that you installed Koha as.
23:23 eythian_ oh, dev install
23:23 wahanui dev install is on, some cataloging already goin, so I guess I;m almost there
23:23 dcook Hmm
23:23 jcamins So if the git clone is /home/dcook/kohaclone, it's probably dcook.
23:23 eythian_ yeah, often just your own user.
23:23 dcook I didn't do the dev install though
23:23 eythian_ what did you do then?
23:23 dcook I suggested running a dev install, and my boss is the one who did it
23:24 dcook When you do the dev install, is your user picked up and written into a config somewhere?
23:24 eythian_ no
23:24 eythian_ it's just the owner of the files
23:25 dcook Hmm
23:26 dcook Well, I am the owner, so maybe he did use my user
23:26 dcook Unless he chowned it afterward
23:26 eythian_ why don't you check?
23:26 bgkriegel dcook: do an 'ls -l'
23:26 eythian_ who owns the lock files that you are getting the errors on?
23:26 dcook Just did, and yeah I'm the owner
23:26 dcook Ah
23:26 dcook That...makes more sense, eythian_, lol
23:26 * dcook facepalm
23:28 dcook I'm the owner of the git, but not the dev directory with all the symbolic links
23:28 eythian_ More importantly, who owns the lock file and the zebra database files.
23:29 eythian_ that's what your problem is. You are best looking at your problem to start with.
23:29 dcook Reasonable advice is reasonable
23:31 * dcook is running the re-index now
23:32 dcook It's very interesting going from front-end support to back-end support. Zebra was always made to seem very mystical, but it's all logic...
23:32 eythian_ it'll go back to being mystical soon enough
23:33 dcook Without a doubt
23:33 dcook 10:26:53-12/02 zebraidx(9184) [warn] Unknown register type:
23:33 dcook At least some records seem to have been indexed though
23:37 dcook Or maybe they were all indexed. I see a Zebralist post from Fridolyn regarding unknown register type but those had a type code in the warning...
23:37 dcook In any case, thanks heaps eythian_ and jcamins!
23:38 eythian_ I have no idea what that error means
23:38 dcook I'll investigate :)
23:38 dcook My search is finally working now regardless, although I'd hate to ignore any error message...
23:38 bag :)
23:39 dcook Thanks to you too, bag!
23:39 bag sorry checked out there for a bit - but eythian is great!
23:40 dcook I think I'm going to have to buy quite a few thank you beers in October :p
23:42 jcamins That warning is nothing to worry about.
23:42 dcook No?
23:42 wahanui
23:43 dcook lol
23:43 jcamins Annoying, but not disastrous.
23:43 dcook What's it caused by?
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23:53 dcook Hmm. I'll have to keep it in the back of my mind
23:55 dcook And to have working, you need to set up a cronjob

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