IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-14

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00:37 mib_ygxhlr greetings, is there a simple way to tell what version of Koha I have installed via the staff client or terminal command line?
00:38 rangi go to the about page in the staff client
00:38 mib_ygxhlr excellent, thanks
00:39 rangi what version btw? im guessing 3.10.1
00:39 mib_ygxhlr yup
00:39 jcamins_away rangi: ... what reasoning led you to that correct conclusion?
00:40 mib_ygxhlr I didn't know if I was updating oldstable or sqeeze
00:41 rangi apt-cache policy koha-common
00:41 rangi will tell you too
00:41 rangi if you are using the packages
00:41 rangi jcamins_away: someone new to koha, most likely has new version :)
00:41 rangi jcamins_away: that was my guess anyway
00:42 mib_ygxhlr apt-cache worked too - thanks
00:42 jcamins_away rangi: heh. Seems to have been a good guess.
00:44 mib_ygxhlr ok, here's a better one
00:44 mib_ygxhlr what table contains the holdings/item info for a book barcode and how do I look at that in mysql?
00:45 mib_ygxhlr I can see the tables, but am new to sql
00:46 mib_ygxhlr I should say I can see the tables in my koha library in sql - is it the biblio table?
00:48 rangi no
00:48 mib_ygxhlr gtg, thanks for the help
00:48 rangi items
00:48 rangi ok then
00:59 ibeardslee hmmmm ... the Kiritaki Koha group filled up real quick, but noone has picked Koha (unless people start changing around) :(
01:00 jcamins_away ibeardslee: tell them that the RM is not nearly as scary as he sounds.
01:02 * cjh runs out to buy cookies
01:02 wizzyrea "work on Koha, we have cookies"
01:03 cjh it could work..
01:03 wizzyrea or chocolate.
01:03 wahanui reiveune ate them all
01:03 jcamins_away lol
01:04 ibeardslee cjh: also use the academy moodle (discussion forum) to help sell it
01:04 cjh the cookies?
01:04 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
01:05 ibeardslee well you could try to sell the cookies, but 'selling' koha would be betterer
01:06 jcamins_away "Work on Koha, we understand the importance of cookies and are always prepared to cheer you up with a plate of fresh cookies."
01:07 jcamins_away Also, "work on Koha, the RM just baked 121 rum chocolate chip cookies, and if you work on Koha he'll probably give you some if you go to the US."
01:07 cjh theres a koha person!!!!!
01:08 jcamins_away \o/
01:08 cjh and 23 havent answered yet
01:08 cjh to battle!!!
01:08 cjh no, they are the tutors. drats.
01:15 jcamins_away What are the other projects?
01:17 jcamins_away There's an online cooking show called "kamikaze cookery"? Awesome!
01:21 mib_vczt1x jcamins_away: you reviewed the submission i made for the centos?
01:24 jcamins_away mib_vczt1x: yes, it looked good! :D
01:24 jcamins_away Thanks!
01:25 ibeardslee cjh: yeah I've been trying to workout how to configure the setting so only students show
01:25 cjh ibeardslee: dont do that, then it will seem like the koha team is even smaller!
01:26 ibeardslee but that is confusing
02:35 wizzyrea so how are we doing database updates now? did we roll back the big change to that?
02:36 jcamins_away We did, yes.
02:36 jcamins_away updatedatabase works the same way as before.
02:36 wizzyrea ok so do it the old way still?
02:36 wizzyrea ok cool.
02:36 * wizzyrea still may need help but... will do her best/worst
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03:35 wizzyrea wait... the documentation states that permission management is no longer in use
03:36 wizzyrea permission "management"
03:36 rangi hmm what?
03:36 wizzyrea I suppose in favor or "parameters"
03:37 wizzyrea favor of
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03:49 wizzyrea I think I like this the best
03:50 eythian I wouldn't have the **
03:50 eythian why not <i> or <b>?
03:51 wizzyrea will it show that? I honestly didn't try.
03:51 eythian I dunno, but if not it'd be worth making it do so
03:51 eythian or have it turn '*...*' into italics or something
03:51 wizzyrea hm
03:53 wizzyrea hah it does work. How funny.
03:53 wizzyrea ok yes, that's nicer.
03:53 eythian It's effort to make something like that not work, usually :)
03:53 wizzyrea ^.^
03:56 wizzyrea
03:56 wizzyrea I think that gets the point across.
03:57 eythian that does look better
03:59 eythian modules/<div id="doc3" class="yui-t1">
03:59 eythian modules/<div id="doc3" class="yui-t1">
03:59 eythian modules/<div id="doc3" class="yui-t7">
03:59 eythian ^-- on a scale of one to totally wrong...
03:59 * wizzyrea blinks
03:59 eythian Well, I suppose it could be conditional
03:59 eythian I haven't checked that
04:00 wizzyrea that's my cue I think.
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04:49 tts while setting koha with multiple branch libraries is it possible to restrict library staff to edit records of their own libraries and how to allow borrowers to borrow book from any branch library what circulation preference needs to be set
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06:05 cait morning #koha
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06:40 magnuse morning cait and #koha
06:40 cait good morning magnuse :)
06:41 magnuse :-)
06:41 magnuse @wunder boo
06:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:41 magnuse w00t!
06:48 cait @wunder Konstnaz
06:48 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
06:48 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:48 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.4°C (7:45 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
06:48 rangi @wunder nzwn
06:48 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
06:49 magnuse rainy day, dream away...
06:52 cait @wunder schaffhausen
06:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Switzerland is -1.2°C (7:47 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
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07:14 mveron Good morning #koha
07:14 mveron @wunder Basel
07:14 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:16 cait hi mveron :)
07:16 cait did you get snow?
07:16 mveron hi cait :-)
07:16 mveron No snow, snowy rain...
07:17 cait ah
07:17 cait coworker near schaffhausen reports lots of snow
07:17 mveron @wunder schaffhausen
07:17 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Switzerland is -1.2°C (8:02 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:23 cait hm
07:23 cait my git says dirty index
07:23 cait oh, I see
07:28 cait soled
07:28 cait solved even
07:30 magnuse cait++
07:30 cait hm?
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07:31 magnuse cait: for solving problems
07:31 cait mveron++ rangi++ early morning/evening sign offs
07:32 mveron Thanks, cait :-)
07:33 mveron BRB
07:33 alex_a bonjour
07:33 wahanui privet, alex_a
07:36 cait hi alex_a :)
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07:37 reiveune hello
07:38 cait hi reiveune :)
07:38 reiveune bonjour cait :)
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07:45 alex_a hello cait
07:46 cait oh wow
07:46 cait suddenly, we got snow
07:46 cait a lot even
07:47 cait of course... I have to leave for work now... and it starts snowing.
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07:49 rangi thanks for the retweet about catalyst clrh
07:49 jajm good morning #koha
07:50 rangi hi jajm
07:50 cait bbiab
07:51 jajm hi rangi
07:51 jajm hi cait
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08:13 gaetan_B hello
08:13 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
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08:21 kf good morning #koha
08:22 rangi wb kf
08:22 kf thx rangi
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08:35 clrh rangi: you're welcome, happy to see catalyst as a drupalcon sponsor ^^
08:38 rangi we've sponsored a few in the past
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08:50 rangi i have no idea what that guy is doing to his cron jobs, but it's all wrong whatever it is
08:53 kf probably
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09:37 samuel hi everybody
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09:38 kf hi samuel
09:41 samuel i'v solved my problems correctly for item, our base run  but there's something trouble: when i enter barcode , i've this message "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 3008, <DATA> line 581." but in circulation history, i find my book.
09:41 samuel something may miss in my configuration but where?
09:48 kf samuel: what do youmean by circulation history?
09:49 kf and where are you entering the barcode when it's not found?
09:52 samuel oups, my translation is not good. I choose a borrower, i have the page "checking out to Mr ....", i enter item barcode and i've this error.
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09:55 samuel i think i have to look at my zebra configuration;
09:56 rangi circulation doesnt use zebra
09:56 rangi and with that, i am going to sleep :)
09:57 samuel good night :-)
09:57 kf what rangi said
09:57 kf check the barcode is in your items table
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09:58 kf I think there is something wrong with your data
09:58 kf how did you add the items?
09:59 samuel with marc-mir, i've fixed the problem i had last week
09:59 kf so you added the items to your marc records?
09:59 kf and how did you get them imported? using staged marc import?
10:00 samuel bulkmarcimport
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10:00 kf ok
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10:00 kf so you imported them into an empty datbase?
10:00 kf did you rebuild your zebra index?
10:01 samuel yes, of course  and i've rebuild my zebra index but i've doubt, i will check my configuration
10:01 kf did you check the entry in the items table for the barcode you tried?
10:02 samuel the import worked very well (we have many records without barcodes but it's another story)
10:04 samuel link between item and record are ok
10:06 kf hm
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10:07 ryzasss hi
10:08 kf samuel: sorry, running out of ideas here, but hard to see what's going wrong from here
10:08 kf hi ryzasss
10:08 ryzasss I have a problem maybe somebody could help
10:08 samuel kf: this link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ue-td3048066.html give me some ideas
10:11 magnuse samuel: did you check the marc record? to me "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value" sounds like a problem with the record. like koha looking for a field/subfield that is not in the record
10:12 samuel good idea, i'll  make a test.
10:13 magnuse samuel: and what does  /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 3008 do (in your version)?
10:13 kf magnuseüü
10:13 kf magnuse++ sorry typoed :)
10:14 samuel magnuse: i'll check
10:14 ryzasss I am trying to install Koha on ubuntu. On instalation guide i reached the point. Web installion> here i am stuck ,, lynx it redirects me to maitenance and stops working
10:14 ryzasss Pls some advice
10:14 magnuse ryzasss: you need to access the admin interface
10:15 magnuse probably replace :80 with :8080 at the end of the url
10:15 kf ^^ what he said :)
10:16 magnuse hm, library-intra should probably be the intranet? but the maintenance message certainly comes from the opac
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10:37 drojf hi #koha
10:38 magnuse hiya drojf and reiveune
10:39 drojf hey magnuse
10:41 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:41 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -4.4°C (11:13 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:01 kf @wunder Konstanz
11:01 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.0°C (11:55 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
11:01 kf hi drojf
11:02 drojf hi kf
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11:31 tts hw can i set up restriction on not allowing other library staff to edit biblios of other libraries
11:31 tts if there are multiple libraries
12:01 kf tts: independentbranches
12:02 kf ah too late
12:02 magnuse but records are shared no matter what you set independentbranches to, right?
12:05 kf magnuse: yes, only helps for items.
12:05 kf you are right
12:06 magnuse good :-)
12:07 magnuse (in the sense that i recall correctly)
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13:10 oleonard Hello #koha
13:11 kf good morning oleonard
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14:08 H is there a spot in koha where you can change the email adres used when he sends something ?
14:08 H or is that done outside koha
14:08 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
14:08 H hey
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14:09 jcamins There's a syspref.
14:09 jcamins KohaAdminEmail or something like that.
14:11 H found it
14:11 oleonard Is that not set by the install process?
14:11 H testing
14:11 jcamins oleonard: no.
14:11 * oleonard doesn't install often enough
14:16 kf morning jcamins
14:17 jcamins Morning.
14:17 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
14:22 oleonard cat, dog, chickens, children, etc.
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14:39 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 7 February 2013, at 2:00 UTC
14:41 oleonard Wow Bug 8661 has turned out to be a huge pain in the ass.
14:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8661 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , break out additional authors in opac like in staff
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14:43 kf oleonard: I am sorry for that :(
14:43 oleonard Not your fault of course.
14:43 jcamins Hey, has anyone noticed authors not having any spaces in their names?
14:43 kf it had to wait for some time
14:44 kf I tried looking at the conflict, but was not sure how to fixit and the entities were really irritating me
14:44 kf jcamins: huh? :)
14:44 jcamins I don't have an example, but a few times I've seen screenshots of Koha installations where all the words in authors' names are run together without spaces.
14:45 magnuse kf: i think the entities are part of the xslt logic? because you cant say x>1 in xslt
14:45 jcamins Yeah, the entities are correct.
14:45 kf ah
14:45 magnuse ...without making it invalid xslt
14:45 kf I didn't know that
14:46 oleonard jcamins: Eliminating spaces saves catalogers valuable time otherwise spent hitting the space bar?
14:46 kf all good then, only a conflict to fix.... hope a not too hard one
14:46 jcamins oleonard: heh.
14:47 kf jcamins: can't remember seeing it - but I think we have some inconsistencies in the xslt files
14:47 kf regardng spaces
14:48 oleonard jcamins: When my library first started adding records to an electronic catalog the data-entry people were told to use all caps to save time
14:48 jcamins That's horrible!
14:48 kf ouch.
14:48 jcamins Funny, but horrible.
14:48 oleonard Luckily those were real MARC records back then
14:48 oleonard were *not*
14:50 magnuse no worries, you can just run ucfirst on it ;-)
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14:51 jcamins magnuse: no! Bad magnuse! :P
14:51 magnuse moahaha
14:53 kf does someone know if newer koha versions log categorytype ni statistics?
14:53 jcamins I do not know.
14:54 lms Hello!
14:55 kf hi lms
14:57 lms Does anyone know how to put a new field in "Koha to MARC mapping"? I'm using UNIMARC and koha uses 995 but I want to use 966
14:57 jcamins manual?
14:57 wahanui i heard manual was at
14:58 jcamins ^^ the manual should have a section on Koha to MARC mappings.
14:58 jcamins However, I'd strongly recommend against changing the item mapping.
14:58 * kf seconds that
14:58 * magnuse too
14:59 kf lms: you will end up getting very disappointed with yourself if you do that.
14:59 kf lms: the search will not be working.
14:59 kf lms: well the search for item relevant data like barcode, you will have to edit files to make that work and it going to explode at every update you ever make
15:00 lms hmm, ok. thank you all
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15:08 alefas hi i would like to ask how can i set koha interface to greek language?
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15:08 alefas are there info about this anywhere in the web?
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15:10 jcamins translations?
15:10 wahanui translations is probably
15:10 jcamins installing translations?
15:10 jcamins i18n?
15:11 alefas yes
15:11 jcamins alefas: our bot doesn't seem to have a link.
15:11 alefas for koha 3.10
15:11 jcamins It will take me a few minutes to find it.
15:11 jcamins Those questions were for the bot, not you. :)
15:11 jcamins installing translations is[…]ANET_staff_client
15:12 jcamins installing translations?
15:12 wahanui installing translations is[…]ANET_staff_client
15:12 jcamins Now our bot knows. :)
15:12 jcamins That page has instructions.
15:12 kf jcamins++ :)
15:14 magnuse jcamins++
15:14 jcamins You know, when answering people on mibbit I should tell them not to just click links.
15:15 rambutan @wunder 64507
15:15 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.9°C (9:13 AM CST on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Rising).
15:17 rambutan 500 people on #reprap. Think it has downed xchat. Need restart
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15:20 oleonard #reprap?
15:20 rambutan 3D printing
15:21 rambutan one of the most active "productivity" channels I've seen. There is a lot of low-level dev work there
15:21 magnuse "RepRap is humanity's first general-purpose self-replicating manufacturing machine. "
15:21 rambutan #reprap is on freenode
15:22 oleonard I wasn't much interested in 3D printing until I found a site offering the pattern to a tiny part I need for my graphics tablet stylus which would otherwise require a $70 replacement
15:23 jcamins oleonard: so you're buying a thousand dollar printer?
15:23 rambutan yep, one of the big selling points for 3D printing.
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15:23 oleonard jcamins: Better yet, making friends with someone with access to one?
15:23 oleonard Still haven't done that though ;)
15:23 rambutan I predict it will become quite valuable in the future for printing (older?) car parts
15:24 jcamins Someone should print a Raspberry Pi case.
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15:29 rambutan there are several Pi case patterns out there
15:31 rambutan
15:31 jcamins Hehe. Thingiverse.
15:31 jcamins Someone was not feeling very creative when they came up with that.
15:32 jcamins Cool!
15:32 oleonard
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15:33 kf jcamins: you could ask dpavlin
15:33 kf the only problem might be shipping :)
15:33 kf drojf biult his out of a plasctic box with lid I think
15:34 jcamins kf: I can make one myself, I just think that a printed one would be cooler.
15:35 rambutan   especially the image with 4 mounted Pi's.  Looks like a poor implementation of a good idea (Pi cluster case)
15:55 vfernandes hello :)
15:57 jcamins Hello.
16:02 jcamins I just learned that there are some counties in the US that are in more than one state.
16:03 jcamins Oh, I see.
16:03 jcamins They're not anymore.
16:08 rambutan Yea, they tend to wander around like that sometimes.
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16:54 rambutan I need some help--I normally don't do any admin within Koha, but my TS supervisor is gone and I need to give a staff member, currently with just regular patron privileges, access to the staff interface.
16:55 rambutan where do I do that?
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16:57 jcamins View the patron record, then click on the More button and "Set permissions."
16:57 rambutan tnx
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17:27 gerundio hi, how can I disable ISBD view in OPAC?
17:27 jatara Hi, all. Does anyone know why the reports page prints out in teeny tiny font on some computers but not on others?
17:27 gerundio I only found one preference "viewISBD" but that's just for the staff client
17:28 gerundio jatara, can you give an example?
17:28 gerundio do people use the same browser across the different computers?
17:29 jcamins gerundio: you could hide the button with CSS/Javascript.
17:29 jatara It's hard to explain, but my librarians are running a customized report that I created. Some people are reporting that it prints out in teeny tiny font and others (like me) find the size is perfectly adequate. I do have a copy of the teeny tiny font report and it's indeed printing that way, but not on my computer
17:30 jcamins I don't see any syspref for changing it.
17:30 jatara We are a school district. All our settings are the same, including browsers.
17:30 jcamins jatara: that's going to be a local configuration problem.
17:30 jatara where?
17:30 jcamins Something to do with your printer settings.
17:30 cait jatara: maybe they set some print setting to reduce it to one page or 80% or something?
17:30 cait jatara: it often happens to me when I do that on purpose that it sticks for later printouts
17:31 jcamins Those seem like good guesses.
17:31 jatara Nope. Another person and I printed to the same printer -- got two completely different sizes.
17:31 cait browser settings for printers
17:31 cait not settings from the printer
17:31 jcamins Printer settings on your computer.
17:32 cait if you go to print and then... settings... I only know how it's called in german
17:32 jcamins I can't give you any more specific advice than that because the last time I used Windows for printing something, XP was new enough that companies weren't upgrading.
17:32 cait 'seite einrichten'
17:32 jatara That's not possible. I have one person reports she gets both regular size and teeny tiny size on same report, same computer, same printer.
17:32 gerundio jcamins++
17:33 cait jatara: I think we can be pretty sure it's not koha... so it must be something done locally.
17:33 jcamins jatara: in that case it has nothing to do with Koha.
17:33 jcamins Koha just uses the browser's print functionality.
17:34 jatara All right. Thanks so much!
17:34 jcamins I'd try and watch the librarian, see if she does anything different between when it works and when it doesn't.
17:34 jcamins With print preview/without print preview or something like that.
17:35 jcamins (does Windows have print preview?)
17:35 jcamins (it must)
17:38 jatara Firefox has print preview so that's something to look at
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17:57 gerundio jcamins, it does :p
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18:14 jcamins There are two major open source discovery interfaces.
18:15 jcamins Vufind and...
18:15 jcamins help?
18:15 wahanui rumour has it help is at if no-one here can help
18:15 jcamins Thanks, wahanui.
18:15 wahanui sure thing jcamins
18:15 jcamins Blacklight!
18:21 * drojf turns on the blacklight and hangs up a disco ball for jcamins
18:22 jcamins What is it they shout at discos? "Relevance ranking, baby"?
18:22 drojf lol
18:23 drojf how is the raspberry pi business going?
18:23 jcamins drojf: I have Koha running on it using nginx and Starman.
18:23 drojf sweet
18:24 jcamins And the Koha catalog is automatically advertised using Zeroconf.
18:25 gaetan_B bye !
18:26 jcamins @karma
18:26 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (720), "oleonard" (612), and "jcamins" (485).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-98), and "-" (-69).  You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2348.
18:26 jcamins @karma jcamins_away
18:26 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
18:26 drojf cool! so when are you getting the next one? :D
18:26 jcamins lol
18:26 jcamins Not for a while.
18:27 jcamins My next Raspberry Pi is going to be used for building an absurdly over-functional multimeter.
18:27 drojf excellent idea :D
18:27 jcamins I have a caliper with a serial port, so I decided that I should hook it up to a Raspberry Pi.
18:27 jcamins Then I thought "why stop there?"
18:28 drojf lol. never stop ;)
18:28 jcamins So I have decided I need a Raspberry Pi that supports precise distance measurements using the caliper, temperature measurements using a thermocouple, all the functionality one generally expects from an electrical multimeter, a hygrometer...
18:28 jcamins Also very tempting is a laser distance finder.
18:29 jcamins And no, you are not mistaken in thinking that I don't do anything that would require _any_ of these devices.
18:29 drojf perfect!
18:29 drojf everybody should be able to measure a lot of stuff. just in case
18:30 jcamins Also under consideration is my own Pi-controlled amateur radio tranceiver.
18:30 drojf :)
18:30 jcamins Because everyone needs a Pi-controlled amateur radio tranceiver, especially if they don't like talking on radios because they're shy.
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18:32 drojf i hope they will put on a faster cpu at some point, it's really no fun enrypting a harddisk at the moment. i wanted to have one serving files and torrenting, but it takes ages to check the files :(
18:32 jcamins Heh.
18:32 jcamins You should just build your own!
18:32 drojf decrypting even
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18:34 jcamins drojf:
18:37 drojf 4x1ghz? that sounds capable
18:37 jcamins 4x1.2ghz
18:38 jcamins Runs Squeeze, Wheezy, or Ubuntu 12.10.
18:39 jcamins Now you just have to get dpavlin to print you up a case and you're good to go!
18:39 drojf heh
18:40 jcamins Or, of course, you could just write your own OS.
18:42 drojf of course, who wouldn't?
18:44 * jcamins worked with a custom real-time OS once.
18:44 jcamins It was kind of weird.
18:45 jcamins I prefer regular OSes.
18:47 drojf how conservative ;)
18:48 * cait waves
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19:06 rangi morning
19:07 jcamins Morning.
19:07 wahanui hmmm... morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:07 jcamins Question for you (anyone): does "synchronous index updates" make sense?
19:07 libsysguy does that mean indexes that happen instantly?
19:07 jcamins Yes.
19:08 libsysguy then yes
19:08 libsysguy it does :)
19:08 jcamins Yay!
19:08 libsysguy BUT I think you should have to raise a pinky while saying it
19:08 jcamins What I had written was "and indexing happens immediately when a record is updated," but that sounds dumb.
19:08 jcamins lol
19:09 rangi how about
19:09 rangi indexing happens immediately
19:10 rangi or updated records are indexed immediately
19:10 libsysguy if it is synchronous I would expect it would block all other indexes
19:10 jcamins Ooh, that last one fits the sentence perfectly, thanks!
19:10 * libsysguy is having a debate with himself about synchronous vs asynchronous
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19:27 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:27 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling).
19:29 cait I like the sentence that doesn't use the unspellable word :)
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19:35 rangi new irc stats
19:35 rangi
19:36 * cait fears the worst
19:36 cait oh, it's not as bad as last time :)
19:36 oleonard Bad?
19:37 libsysguy rangi sure is a chatty Cathy :p
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19:38 jcamins Ooh, I'm catching up to kados!
19:39 oleonard rangi: You'll need to merge rambutan and rhcl
19:39 rangi hmm true
19:41 oleonard "reiveune wrote the shortest lines, averaging 8.7 characters per line." Because he mostly only says "Bye" :)
19:41 jcamins Hehe.
19:42 oleonard rangi++ # For collecting stats!
19:42 cait rangi++ :)
19:43 rangi ill rerun combining rambutan and rhcl
19:47 rangi done
19:48 rangi ok, time to take atarau to kindergarten cyas
20:01 cait hm
20:01 cait question for native speakers
20:02 jcamins No.
20:02 jcamins Yes.
20:02 cait are we using Copyright date or publication date in koha?
20:02 jcamins Maybe.
20:02 cait ssh
20:02 jcamins Both.
20:02 cait ok
20:02 cait what is appropriate for the suggestions form
20:02 jcamins Copyright date = 260$c and publication date = 008/whatever
20:02 jcamins It's silly.
20:02 jcamins Hm.
20:02 jcamins Publication date.
20:04 cait *sigh*
20:04 cait the patch uses copyright all over
20:04 cait well at least it resolves the mix we have now
20:04 jcamins Heh.
20:05 cait only I was tending omre in direction of publication date too
20:48 eythian hi
20:48 wahanui que tal, eythian
20:52 cait morning eythian :)
20:53 eythian howdy
20:53 wahanui hi, eythian
21:00 rambutan wahanui: Bug 7241
21:00 wahanui rambutan: sorry...
21:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Failed QA , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number
21:02 eythian wahanui: why did \you do it is <reply>to impress Jodie Foster
21:02 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:02 eythian wahanui: why did you do it?
21:02 wahanui eythian: i haven't a clue
21:02 eythian wahanui: why did you do it
21:02 wahanui eythian: huh?
21:03 eythian oh well
21:09 oleonard See ya #koha
21:17 MrAgent075 joined #koha
21:18 cjh MrAgent075: welcome!
21:18 MrAgent075 Hi
21:18 wizzyrea1 joined #koha
21:19 cait hi cjh
21:19 cait hi wizzyrea
21:19 cait academy students today?
21:19 wizzyrea everybody say hi to MrAgent075 - we hope he'll be #200
21:19 wizzyrea ah yep
21:19 cjh cait: MrAgent075 is our academy student :)
21:19 MrAgent075 Guilty as Charged.
21:19 jcamins MrAgent075: welcome!
21:19 cait oh nice :)
21:19 cait hi MrAgent075
21:20 MrAgent075 Hey Everybody! Thanks for the Welcoming Messages, I hope to be here for sometime. :)
21:21 wizzyrea ok fine 199.
21:21 wizzyrea :)
21:22 * wizzyrea was hoping for 200
21:22 cait jcamins: we need cookies for our guest - you should bake some :)
21:23 * cjh already gave MrAgent075 a cookie
21:24 cait heh ok
21:24 jcamins I just baked cookies yesterday!
21:24 jcamins However, after this proposal I think I might have to bake more!
21:24 cjh jcamins: how long does shipping take from <insert where jcamins lives>
21:24 jcamins cjh: you live in NZ. The cookies would be confiscated by customs!
21:25 * MrAgent075 has also recieved a "healthy dose" of muffins. 3 of them in fact.
21:25 cait wow
21:25 wizzyrea yea, that's a bit of a hassle
21:26 cait jcamins: if you packaged them nicely... maybe could get them through customs
21:26 cait I brought in lots of chocolate :)
21:26 jcamins Yeah, but it was pre-packaged.
21:27 * MrAgent075 had problems importing cookies. Shipping broke most cookies in half, or in little crumbs.
21:27 cait MrAgent075: what are they trying to make you do? :P
21:31 jcamins bug 9108
21:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9108 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add uk/euro date sort filter to pages which require it
21:43 cait :)
21:51 wizzyrea joined #koha
21:54 MrAgent075 cait: They are getting me to work on Accessibility.
21:54 cait oh nice :)
21:56 * jcamins hums "but it's not against any religion to dispose of a pigeon"
21:56 jcamins Tom Lehrer. Truly a brilliant artist.
21:57 cait oh?
21:57 dracoling jcamins: I think my sister still has a shrinkwrap machine, we could totally make professional packaging for your cookies.
21:58 jcamins dracoling: I feel like they might notice.
21:58 cait you only need nice labels and packaging :)
21:58 rambutan   - before my time
21:58 jcamins "A gift from the Camins Cookie Consortium"?
21:58 cait mine wereonly nicely wrapped
21:58 cait not shrink wrapped even
21:58 jcamins rambutan: before mine too.
21:58 eythian jcamins: I think baking tends to be OK
21:58 eythian it's raw that's an issue
21:59 eythian just saying...
21:59 jcamins But I got to thinking about "Fight fiercely Harvard," and that led me into a Tom Lehrer spike.
22:00 rambutan I desperately crave some Caldo de Pollo
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22:06 cjh cait: we are looking at accessibility for the intranet side
22:07 cjh cait: particularly regarding visually impaired users
22:07 cait cjh: that's awesome
22:07 wizzyrea cait did you tell me you had a visually impaired librarian at one of your libraris?
22:07 cait yes
22:07 wizzyrea awesome - what areas do they have the most problem in?
22:08 cait 2 very hard things
22:08 cait sequence of fields in cataloging
22:08 * wizzyrea just knows you are going to say "acquisitions"
22:08 cait the indicators and fields are read in the wrong sequence
22:08 wizzyrea ew yea
22:08 wizzyrea but we are not touching cataloging :/
22:08 cait and pull down menus with yui :(
22:08 cait she can't use them
22:08 wizzyrea oh yea pulldowns are terribad
22:08 jcamins cait: you make it sound like there might be anything right about cataloging.
22:09 cait jcamins: we don't use it really ;)
22:09 jcamins Heh.
22:09 cait well, actually this library does
22:09 cait they have a lot of locally catalogued materials
22:10 cait wizzyrea: I was hoping the jquery menu would come along and make things better, but it seems even oleonard gave up on it
22:10 cait maybe providing a nicer fallback could be done somehow
22:10 cait not sure
22:11 eythian oh yeah, we've had the menu thing come up. The cart dropdown is not usable on the OPAC either
22:11 cait I think the fallback for the cart is, that it's not even there if you have no javascript
22:12 cait but if you have javascript at some rate.... it's probably a problem
22:12 cait libsysguy: around?
22:12 libsysguy yes?
22:12 cait could you take a look at bug 9126 maybe?
22:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9126 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Receiving orders create too much items
22:13 cait it#s from biblibr and I have signed off.... so  that limits our options somehow :)
22:13 cait and it's a critical bug
22:13 libsysguy :'(
22:13 cait why are you giving me the sad smiley?
22:14 libsysguy I'm using my test box for writing selenium test atm
22:14 cait it has a nice test plan!!
22:14 libsysguy hehe
22:14 libsysguy let me save and apply
22:14 cait and it's not big code changes
22:14 cait cool thx
22:15 cjh cait: sorry back, yeah pulldowns from menu in yui are useless with screen readers
22:16 cait terribad.
22:16 cjh they appears as links (ie 'more') and the dropdown isnt near, not sure if we can fix that though.
22:16 cait yeah I thought it was difficult
22:16 cjh what we are looking at first is circ feedback, as many of the messages are ages away from the input field and are not headers (so difficult to find)
22:16 cait those are the 2 main things that were reported to me... and both not easy
22:17 cait cjh: I think every bit of improvement will be great :)
22:18 cait hm only 10 more to catch up to jonathan...
22:18 cjh possibly for the dropdown we could replace yui and write our own js that does it 'right'
22:19 cjh all it would really involve is making the html close and obvious, prob also adding context to the dropdown ie 'more tools (dropdown)'
22:20 cait making some first notes on a bug woudl be good too I think
22:20 cait ok :) sleep time here
22:20 cait bye all :)
22:21 cjh goodnight!
22:21 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:21 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (11:00 PM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Snow Grains. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
22:22 cait snow grains... hm.
22:22 libsysguy cait I have a clean install and for whatever reason i keep getting an error to define a budget even though one is defined
22:22 cait is your budget marked active?
22:22 libsysguy si
22:22 libsysguy err yes
22:22 cait there is a little checkbox
22:22 cait do you have a fund defined for your budget?
22:22 libsysguy yes
22:22 cait that is current (start time - end time)
22:23 cait hm
22:23 jcamins libsysguy: wait a few weeks and it'll magically start working.
22:23 cait try makig the user your own library
22:23 jcamins Yes, I'm serious.
22:23 wizzyrea ^^
22:23 cait the library you are loggedin with/home library of your user
22:23 libsysguy well i am the admin user
22:23 eythian don't be the admin user
22:23 jcamins Yeah, that won't work.
22:23 cait yep
22:23 libsysguy soab
22:23 cait never be the admin user
22:23 cait soab?
22:24 jcamins Also, you still might need to just wait.
22:24 libsysguy cait its profanity :p
22:24 cait acq is especially picky about that
22:24 cjh cait: son of a b....
22:24 cait aaaah
22:24 libsysguy yes
22:24 eythian admin user should only be used for admin tasks
22:24 * libsysguy doesn't want to not be the root user :p
22:24 cjh heh
22:24 eythian many things just don't work
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22:24 libsysguy i think that is the case with or without being the admin user :p
22:25 cait can you show me a screenshot of your fund?
22:25 cait on your acq start page
22:25 cait do you see a fund in the table?
22:25 libsysguy it has to be because of the admin user thing
22:26 jcamins libsysguy: it's working now?
22:26 libsysguy it may…after I define a patron cateogry, create a patron etc
22:26 libsysguy what a pita
22:26 wahanui a pita is pain in the arse or a kind of bread, usually with pockets
22:27 jcamins lol
22:29 libsysguy ah yup, didn't like root
22:29 wizzyrea version control using git
22:29 wahanui hmmm... version control using git is at[…]Control_Using_Git
22:30 jcamins oh no
22:30 jcamins no
22:30 wizzyrea the first question?
22:30 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
22:30 wizzyrea report library
22:30 wahanui well, report library is at[…]L_Reports_Library
22:30 jcamins I can't remember the cue for the funny picture eythian taught wahanui.
22:30 eythian neither can I
22:30 wizzyrea sighs. slackers.
22:31 jcamins me?
22:31 wahanui you are, like, very, very irascible
22:31 jcamins me?
22:31 wahanui somebody said jcamins was RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
22:32 cait me?
22:32 wahanui you are qam, not your secretary
22:33 cait libsysguy: that's why I try to avoid resetting my database all that often...
22:34 libsysguy I had to for the nginx code :'(
22:34 * cait sends you a cooki
22:34 cait e
22:34 cait really have to go now :) bye again all :)
22:34 libsysguy aww thanks
22:34 libsysguy later
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23:16 wizzyrea me?
23:16 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans
23:16 wizzyrea KEKE
23:55 MrAgent075 Does anyone have an opinion on which size is better?
23:55 MrAgent075 Either OR
23:55 MrAgent075 *
23:56 jcamins I don't think I have a strong preference.
23:58 wizzyrea i wish oleonard was around

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