Time Nick Message 00:37 mib_ygxhlr greetings, is there a simple way to tell what version of Koha I have installed via the staff client or terminal command line? 00:38 rangi go to the about page in the staff client 00:38 mib_ygxhlr excellent, thanks 00:39 rangi what version btw? im guessing 3.10.1 00:39 mib_ygxhlr yup 00:39 jcamins_away rangi: ... what reasoning led you to that correct conclusion? 00:40 mib_ygxhlr I didn't know if I was updating oldstable or sqeeze 00:41 rangi apt-cache policy koha-common 00:41 rangi will tell you too 00:41 rangi if you are using the packages 00:41 rangi jcamins_away: someone new to koha, most likely has new version :) 00:41 rangi jcamins_away: that was my guess anyway 00:42 mib_ygxhlr apt-cache worked too - thanks 00:42 jcamins_away rangi: heh. Seems to have been a good guess. 00:44 mib_ygxhlr ok, here's a better one 00:44 mib_ygxhlr what table contains the holdings/item info for a book barcode and how do I look at that in mysql? 00:45 mib_ygxhlr I can see the tables, but am new to sql 00:46 mib_ygxhlr I should say I can see the tables in my koha library in sql - is it the biblio table? 00:48 rangi no 00:48 mib_ygxhlr gtg, thanks for the help 00:48 rangi items 00:48 rangi ok then 00:59 ibeardslee hmmmm ... the Kiritaki Koha group filled up real quick, but noone has picked Koha (unless people start changing around) :( 01:00 jcamins_away ibeardslee: tell them that the RM is not nearly as scary as he sounds. 01:02 * cjh runs out to buy cookies 01:02 wizzyrea "work on Koha, we have cookies" 01:03 cjh it could work.. 01:03 wizzyrea or chocolate. 01:03 wahanui reiveune ate them all 01:03 jcamins_away lol 01:04 ibeardslee cjh: also use the academy moodle (discussion forum) to help sell it 01:04 cjh the cookies? 01:04 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 01:05 ibeardslee well you could try to sell the cookies, but 'selling' koha would be betterer 01:06 jcamins_away "Work on Koha, we understand the importance of cookies and are always prepared to cheer you up with a plate of fresh cookies." 01:07 jcamins_away Also, "work on Koha, the RM just baked 121 rum chocolate chip cookies, and if you work on Koha he'll probably give you some if you go to the US." 01:07 cjh theres a koha person!!!!! 01:08 jcamins_away \o/ 01:08 cjh and 23 havent answered yet 01:08 cjh to battle!!! 01:08 cjh no, they are the tutors. drats. 01:15 jcamins_away What are the other projects? 01:17 jcamins_away There's an online cooking show called "kamikaze cookery"? Awesome! 01:21 mib_vczt1x jcamins_away: you reviewed the submission i made for the centos? 01:24 jcamins_away mib_vczt1x: yes, it looked good! :D 01:24 jcamins_away Thanks! 01:25 ibeardslee cjh: yeah I've been trying to workout how to configure the setting so only students show 01:25 cjh ibeardslee: dont do that, then it will seem like the koha team is even smaller! 01:26 ibeardslee but that is confusing 02:35 wizzyrea so how are we doing database updates now? did we roll back the big change to that? 02:36 jcamins_away We did, yes. 02:36 jcamins_away updatedatabase works the same way as before. 02:36 wizzyrea ok so do it the old way still? 02:36 wizzyrea ok cool. 02:36 * wizzyrea still may need help but... will do her best/worst 03:35 wizzyrea wait... the documentation states that permission management is no longer in use 03:36 wizzyrea permission "management" 03:36 rangi hmm what? 03:36 wizzyrea I suppose in favor or "parameters" 03:37 wizzyrea favor of 03:49 wizzyrea I think I like this the best http://imgur.com/CZrxQ 03:50 eythian I wouldn't have the ** 03:50 eythian why not <i> or <b>? 03:51 wizzyrea will it show that? I honestly didn't try. 03:51 eythian I dunno, but if not it'd be worth making it do so 03:51 eythian or have it turn '*...*' into italics or something 03:51 wizzyrea hm 03:53 wizzyrea hah it does work. How funny. 03:53 wizzyrea ok yes, that's nicer. 03:53 eythian It's effort to make something like that not work, usually :) 03:53 wizzyrea ^.^ 03:56 wizzyrea http://imgur.com/GZGBV 03:56 wizzyrea I think that gets the point across. 03:57 eythian that does look better 03:59 eythian modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t1"> 03:59 eythian modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t1"> 03:59 eythian modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t7"> 03:59 eythian ^-- on a scale of one to totally wrong... 03:59 * wizzyrea blinks 03:59 eythian Well, I suppose it could be conditional 03:59 eythian I haven't checked that 04:00 wizzyrea that's my cue I think. 04:49 tts while setting koha with multiple branch libraries is it possible to restrict library staff to edit records of their own libraries and how to allow borrowers to borrow book from any branch library what circulation preference needs to be set 06:05 cait morning #koha 06:40 magnuse morning cait and #koha 06:40 cait good morning magnuse :) 06:41 magnuse :-) 06:41 magnuse @wunder boo 06:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 06:41 magnuse w00t! 06:48 cait @wunder Konstnaz 06:48 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 06:48 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:48 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.4°C (7:45 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 06:48 rangi @wunder nzwn 06:48 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 06:49 magnuse rainy day, dream away... 06:52 cait @wunder schaffhausen 06:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Switzerland is -1.2°C (7:47 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 07:14 mveron Good morning #koha 07:14 mveron @wunder Basel 07:14 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 07:16 cait hi mveron :) 07:16 cait did you get snow? 07:16 mveron hi cait :-) 07:16 mveron No snow, snowy rain... 07:17 cait ah 07:17 cait coworker near schaffhausen reports lots of snow 07:17 mveron @wunder schaffhausen 07:17 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Switzerland is -1.2°C (8:02 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 07:23 cait hm 07:23 cait my git says dirty index 07:23 cait oh, I see 07:28 cait soled 07:28 cait solved even 07:30 magnuse cait++ 07:30 cait hm? 07:31 magnuse cait: for solving problems 07:31 cait mveron++ rangi++ early morning/evening sign offs 07:32 mveron Thanks, cait :-) 07:33 mveron BRB 07:33 alex_a bonjour 07:33 wahanui privet, alex_a 07:36 cait hi alex_a :) 07:37 reiveune hello 07:38 cait hi reiveune :) 07:38 reiveune bonjour cait :) 07:45 alex_a hello cait 07:46 cait oh wow 07:46 cait suddenly, we got snow 07:46 cait a lot even 07:47 cait of course... I have to leave for work now... and it starts snowing. 07:49 rangi thanks for the retweet about catalyst clrh 07:49 jajm good morning #koha 07:50 rangi hi jajm 07:50 cait bbiab 07:51 jajm hi rangi 07:51 jajm hi cait 08:13 gaetan_B hello 08:13 wahanui hello, gaetan_B 08:21 kf good morning #koha 08:22 rangi wb kf 08:22 kf thx rangi 08:35 clrh rangi: you're welcome, happy to see catalyst as a drupalcon sponsor ^^ 08:38 rangi we've sponsored a few in the past 08:50 rangi i have no idea what that guy is doing to his cron jobs, but it's all wrong whatever it is 08:53 kf probably 09:37 samuel hi everybody 09:38 kf hi samuel 09:41 samuel i'v solved my problems correctly for item, our base run but there's something trouble: when i enter barcode , i've this message "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 3008, <DATA> line 581." but in circulation history, i find my book. 09:41 samuel something may miss in my configuration but where? 09:48 kf samuel: what do youmean by circulation history? 09:49 kf and where are you entering the barcode when it's not found? 09:52 samuel oups, my translation is not good. I choose a borrower, i have the page "checking out to Mr ....", i enter item barcode and i've this error. 09:55 samuel i think i have to look at my zebra configuration; 09:56 rangi circulation doesnt use zebra 09:56 rangi and with that, i am going to sleep :) 09:57 samuel good night :-) 09:57 kf what rangi said 09:57 kf check the barcode is in your items table 09:58 kf I think there is something wrong with your data 09:58 kf how did you add the items? 09:59 samuel with marc-mir, i've fixed the problem i had last week 09:59 kf so you added the items to your marc records? 09:59 kf and how did you get them imported? using staged marc import? 10:00 samuel bulkmarcimport 10:00 kf ok 10:00 kf so you imported them into an empty datbase? 10:00 kf did you rebuild your zebra index? 10:01 samuel yes, of course and i've rebuild my zebra index but i've doubt, i will check my configuration 10:01 kf did you check the entry in the items table for the barcode you tried? 10:02 samuel the import worked very well (we have many records without barcodes but it's another story) 10:04 samuel link between item and record are ok 10:06 kf hm 10:07 ryzasss hi 10:08 kf samuel: sorry, running out of ideas here, but hard to see what's going wrong from here 10:08 kf hi ryzasss 10:08 ryzasss I have a problem maybe somebody could help 10:08 samuel kf: this link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-zebra-index-issue-td3048066.html give me some ideas 10:11 magnuse samuel: did you check the marc record? to me "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value" sounds like a problem with the record. like koha looking for a field/subfield that is not in the record 10:12 samuel good idea, i'll make a test. 10:13 magnuse samuel: and what does /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 3008 do (in your version)? 10:13 kf magnuseüü 10:13 kf magnuse++ sorry typoed :) 10:14 samuel magnuse: i'll check 10:14 ryzasss I am trying to install Koha on ubuntu. On instalation guide i reached the point. Web installion> here i am stuck ,, lynx http://library-intra.framisdooby.org:80 it redirects me to maitenance and stops working 10:14 ryzasss Pls some advice 10:14 magnuse ryzasss: you need to access the admin interface 10:15 magnuse probably replace :80 with :8080 at the end of the url 10:15 kf ^^ what he said :) 10:16 magnuse hm, library-intra should probably be the intranet? but the maintenance message certainly comes from the opac 10:37 drojf hi #koha 10:38 magnuse hiya drojf and reiveune 10:39 drojf hey magnuse 10:41 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:41 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -4.4°C (11:13 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 11:01 kf @wunder Konstanz 11:01 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.0°C (11:55 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 11:01 kf hi drojf 11:02 drojf hi kf 11:31 tts hw can i set up restriction on not allowing other library staff to edit biblios of other libraries 11:31 tts if there are multiple libraries 12:01 kf tts: independentbranches 12:02 kf ah too late 12:02 magnuse but records are shared no matter what you set independentbranches to, right? 12:05 kf magnuse: yes, only helps for items. 12:05 kf you are right 12:06 magnuse good :-) 12:07 magnuse (in the sense that i recall correctly) 12:35 jwagner quit 13:10 oleonard Hello #koha 13:11 kf good morning oleonard 14:08 H is there a spot in koha where you can change the email adres used when he sends something ? 14:08 H or is that done outside koha 14:08 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 14:08 H hey 14:09 jcamins There's a syspref. 14:09 jcamins KohaAdminEmail or something like that. 14:11 H found it 14:11 oleonard Is that not set by the install process? 14:11 H testing 14:11 jcamins oleonard: no. 14:11 * oleonard doesn't install often enough 14:16 kf morning jcamins 14:17 jcamins Morning. 14:17 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 14:22 oleonard cat, dog, chickens, children, etc. 14:41 oleonard Wow Bug 8661 has turned out to be a huge pain in the ass. 14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8661 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , break out additional authors in opac like in staff 14:43 kf oleonard: I am sorry for that :( 14:43 oleonard Not your fault of course. 14:43 jcamins Hey, has anyone noticed authors not having any spaces in their names? 14:43 kf it had to wait for some time 14:44 kf I tried looking at the conflict, but was not sure how to fixit and the entities were really irritating me 14:44 kf jcamins: huh? :) 14:44 jcamins I don't have an example, but a few times I've seen screenshots of Koha installations where all the words in authors' names are run together without spaces. 14:45 magnuse kf: i think the entities are part of the xslt logic? because you cant say x>1 in xslt 14:45 jcamins Yeah, the entities are correct. 14:45 kf ah 14:45 magnuse ...without making it invalid xslt 14:45 kf I didn't know that 14:46 oleonard jcamins: Eliminating spaces saves catalogers valuable time otherwise spent hitting the space bar? 14:46 kf all good then, only a conflict to fix.... hope a not too hard one 14:46 jcamins oleonard: heh. 14:47 kf jcamins: can't remember seeing it - but I think we have some inconsistencies in the xslt files 14:47 kf regardng spaces 14:48 oleonard jcamins: When my library first started adding records to an electronic catalog the data-entry people were told to use all caps to save time 14:48 jcamins That's horrible! 14:48 kf ouch. 14:48 jcamins Funny, but horrible. 14:48 oleonard Luckily those were real MARC records back then 14:48 oleonard were *not* 14:50 magnuse no worries, you can just run ucfirst on it ;-) 14:51 jcamins magnuse: no! Bad magnuse! :P 14:51 magnuse moahaha 14:53 kf does someone know if newer koha versions log categorytype ni statistics? 14:53 jcamins I do not know. 14:54 lms Hello! 14:55 kf hi lms 14:57 lms Does anyone know how to put a new field in "Koha to MARC mapping"? I'm using UNIMARC and koha uses 995 but I want to use 966 14:57 jcamins manual? 14:57 wahanui i heard manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 14:58 jcamins ^^ the manual should have a section on Koha to MARC mappings. 14:58 jcamins However, I'd strongly recommend against changing the item mapping. 14:58 * kf seconds that 14:58 * magnuse too 14:59 kf lms: you will end up getting very disappointed with yourself if you do that. 14:59 kf lms: the search will not be working. 14:59 kf lms: well the search for item relevant data like barcode, you will have to edit files to make that work and it going to explode at every update you ever make 15:00 lms hmm, ok. thank you all 15:08 alefas hi i would like to ask how can i set koha interface to greek language? 15:08 alefas are there info about this anywhere in the web? 15:10 jcamins translations? 15:10 wahanui translations is probably http://translate.koha-community.org/ 15:10 jcamins installing translations? 15:10 jcamins i18n? 15:11 alefas yes 15:11 jcamins alefas: our bot doesn't seem to have a link. 15:11 alefas for koha 3.10 15:11 jcamins It will take me a few minutes to find it. 15:11 jcamins Those questions were for the bot, not you. :) 15:11 jcamins installing translations is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 15:12 jcamins installing translations? 15:12 wahanui installing translations is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 15:12 jcamins Now our bot knows. :) 15:12 jcamins That page has instructions. 15:12 kf jcamins++ :) 15:14 magnuse jcamins++ 15:14 jcamins You know, when answering people on mibbit I should tell them not to just click links. 15:15 rambutan @wunder 64507 15:15 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.9°C (9:13 AM CST on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Rising). 15:17 rambutan 500 people on #reprap. Think it has downed xchat. Need restart 15:20 oleonard #reprap? 15:20 rambutan 3D printing http://www.reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page 15:21 rambutan one of the most active "productivity" channels I've seen. There is a lot of low-level dev work there 15:21 magnuse "RepRap is humanity's first general-purpose self-replicating manufacturing machine. " 15:21 rambutan #reprap is on freenode 15:22 oleonard I wasn't much interested in 3D printing until I found a site offering the pattern to a tiny part I need for my graphics tablet stylus which would otherwise require a $70 replacement 15:23 jcamins oleonard: so you're buying a thousand dollar printer? 15:23 rambutan yep, one of the big selling points for 3D printing. 15:23 oleonard jcamins: Better yet, making friends with someone with access to one? 15:23 oleonard Still haven't done that though ;) 15:23 rambutan I predict it will become quite valuable in the future for printing (older?) car parts 15:24 jcamins Someone should print a Raspberry Pi case. 15:29 rambutan there are several Pi case patterns out there 15:31 rambutan http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:16104 15:31 jcamins Hehe. Thingiverse. 15:31 jcamins Someone was not feeling very creative when they came up with that. 15:32 jcamins Cool! 15:32 oleonard http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:26685 15:33 kf jcamins: you could ask dpavlin 15:33 kf the only problem might be shipping :) 15:33 kf drojf biult his out of a plasctic box with lid I think 15:34 jcamins kf: I can make one myself, I just think that a printed one would be cooler. 15:35 rambutan http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:30563 especially the image with 4 mounted Pi's. Looks like a poor implementation of a good idea (Pi cluster case) 15:55 vfernandes hello :) 15:57 jcamins Hello. 16:02 jcamins I just learned that there are some counties in the US that are in more than one state. 16:03 jcamins Oh, I see. 16:03 jcamins They're not anymore. 16:08 rambutan Yea, they tend to wander around like that sometimes. 16:36 reiveune bye 16:54 rambutan I need some help--I normally don't do any admin within Koha, but my TS supervisor is gone and I need to give a staff member, currently with just regular patron privileges, access to the staff interface. 16:55 rambutan where do I do that? 16:57 jcamins View the patron record, then click on the More button and "Set permissions." 16:57 rambutan tnx 17:18 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Setting My Privacy in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/oVxt7yRL" 17:27 gerundio hi, how can I disable ISBD view in OPAC? 17:27 jatara Hi, all. Does anyone know why the reports page prints out in teeny tiny font on some computers but not on others? 17:27 gerundio I only found one preference "viewISBD" but that's just for the staff client 17:28 gerundio jatara, can you give an example? 17:28 gerundio do people use the same browser across the different computers? 17:29 jcamins gerundio: you could hide the button with CSS/Javascript. 17:29 jatara It's hard to explain, but my librarians are running a customized report that I created. Some people are reporting that it prints out in teeny tiny font and others (like me) find the size is perfectly adequate. I do have a copy of the teeny tiny font report and it's indeed printing that way, but not on my computer 17:30 jcamins I don't see any syspref for changing it. 17:30 jatara We are a school district. All our settings are the same, including browsers. 17:30 jcamins jatara: that's going to be a local configuration problem. 17:30 jatara where? 17:30 jcamins Something to do with your printer settings. 17:30 cait jatara: maybe they set some print setting to reduce it to one page or 80% or something? 17:30 cait jatara: it often happens to me when I do that on purpose that it sticks for later printouts 17:31 jcamins Those seem like good guesses. 17:31 jatara Nope. Another person and I printed to the same printer -- got two completely different sizes. 17:31 cait browser settings for printers 17:31 cait not settings from the printer 17:31 jcamins Printer settings on your computer. 17:32 cait if you go to print and then... settings... I only know how it's called in german 17:32 jcamins I can't give you any more specific advice than that because the last time I used Windows for printing something, XP was new enough that companies weren't upgrading. 17:32 cait 'seite einrichten' 17:32 jatara That's not possible. I have one person reports she gets both regular size and teeny tiny size on same report, same computer, same printer. 17:32 gerundio jcamins++ 17:33 cait jatara: I think we can be pretty sure it's not koha... so it must be something done locally. 17:33 jcamins jatara: in that case it has nothing to do with Koha. 17:33 jcamins Koha just uses the browser's print functionality. 17:34 jatara All right. Thanks so much! 17:34 jcamins I'd try and watch the librarian, see if she does anything different between when it works and when it doesn't. 17:34 jcamins With print preview/without print preview or something like that. 17:35 jcamins (does Windows have print preview?) 17:35 jcamins (it must) 17:38 jatara Firefox has print preview so that's something to look at 17:57 gerundio jcamins, it does :p 18:14 jcamins There are two major open source discovery interfaces. 18:15 jcamins Vufind and... 18:15 jcamins help? 18:15 wahanui rumour has it help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help 18:15 jcamins Thanks, wahanui. 18:15 wahanui sure thing jcamins 18:15 jcamins Blacklight! 18:21 * drojf turns on the blacklight and hangs up a disco ball for jcamins 18:22 jcamins What is it they shout at discos? "Relevance ranking, baby"? 18:22 drojf lol 18:23 drojf how is the raspberry pi business going? 18:23 jcamins drojf: I have Koha running on it using nginx and Starman. 18:23 drojf sweet 18:24 jcamins And the Koha catalog is automatically advertised using Zeroconf. 18:25 gaetan_B bye ! 18:26 jcamins @karma 18:26 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (720), "oleonard" (612), and "jcamins" (485). Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-98), and "-" (-69). You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2348. 18:26 jcamins @karma jcamins_away 18:26 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20. 18:26 drojf cool! so when are you getting the next one? :D 18:26 jcamins lol 18:26 jcamins Not for a while. 18:27 jcamins My next Raspberry Pi is going to be used for building an absurdly over-functional multimeter. 18:27 drojf excellent idea :D 18:27 jcamins I have a caliper with a serial port, so I decided that I should hook it up to a Raspberry Pi. 18:27 jcamins Then I thought "why stop there?" 18:28 drojf lol. never stop ;) 18:28 jcamins So I have decided I need a Raspberry Pi that supports precise distance measurements using the caliper, temperature measurements using a thermocouple, all the functionality one generally expects from an electrical multimeter, a hygrometer... 18:28 jcamins Also very tempting is a laser distance finder. 18:29 jcamins And no, you are not mistaken in thinking that I don't do anything that would require _any_ of these devices. 18:29 drojf perfect! 18:29 drojf everybody should be able to measure a lot of stuff. just in case 18:30 jcamins Also under consideration is my own Pi-controlled amateur radio tranceiver. 18:30 drojf :) 18:30 jcamins Because everyone needs a Pi-controlled amateur radio tranceiver, especially if they don't like talking on radios because they're shy. 18:32 drojf i hope they will put on a faster cpu at some point, it's really no fun enrypting a harddisk at the moment. i wanted to have one serving files and torrenting, but it takes ages to check the files :( 18:32 jcamins Heh. 18:32 jcamins You should just build your own! 18:32 drojf decrypting even 18:34 jcamins drojf: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1672220.pdf 18:37 drojf 4x1ghz? that sounds capable 18:37 jcamins 4x1.2ghz 18:38 jcamins Runs Squeeze, Wheezy, or Ubuntu 12.10. 18:39 jcamins Now you just have to get dpavlin to print you up a case and you're good to go! 18:39 drojf heh 18:40 jcamins Or, of course, you could just write your own OS. 18:42 drojf of course, who wouldn't? 18:44 * jcamins worked with a custom real-time OS once. 18:44 jcamins It was kind of weird. 18:45 jcamins I prefer regular OSes. 18:47 drojf how conservative ;) 18:48 * cait waves 19:06 rangi morning 19:07 jcamins Morning. 19:07 wahanui hmmm... morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:07 jcamins Question for you (anyone): does "synchronous index updates" make sense? 19:07 libsysguy does that mean indexes that happen instantly? 19:07 jcamins Yes. 19:08 libsysguy then yes 19:08 libsysguy it does :) 19:08 jcamins Yay! 19:08 libsysguy BUT I think you should have to raise a pinky while saying it 19:08 jcamins What I had written was "and indexing happens immediately when a record is updated," but that sounds dumb. 19:08 jcamins lol 19:09 rangi how about 19:09 rangi indexing happens immediately 19:10 rangi or updated records are indexed immediately 19:10 libsysguy if it is synchronous I would expect it would block all other indexes 19:10 jcamins Ooh, that last one fits the sentence perfectly, thanks! 19:10 * libsysguy is having a debate with himself about synchronous vs asynchronous 19:27 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:27 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling). 19:29 cait I like the sentence that doesn't use the unspellable word :) 19:35 rangi new irc stats 19:35 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 19:36 * cait fears the worst 19:36 cait oh, it's not as bad as last time :) 19:36 oleonard Bad? 19:37 libsysguy rangi sure is a chatty Cathy :p 19:38 jcamins Ooh, I'm catching up to kados! 19:39 oleonard rangi: You'll need to merge rambutan and rhcl 19:39 rangi hmm true 19:41 oleonard "reiveune wrote the shortest lines, averaging 8.7 characters per line." Because he mostly only says "Bye" :) 19:41 jcamins Hehe. 19:42 oleonard rangi++ # For collecting stats! 19:42 cait rangi++ :) 19:43 rangi ill rerun combining rambutan and rhcl 19:47 rangi done 19:48 rangi ok, time to take atarau to kindergarten cyas 20:01 cait hm 20:01 cait question for native speakers 20:02 jcamins No. 20:02 jcamins Yes. 20:02 cait are we using Copyright date or publication date in koha? 20:02 jcamins Maybe. 20:02 cait ssh 20:02 jcamins Both. 20:02 cait ok 20:02 cait what is appropriate for the suggestions form 20:02 jcamins Copyright date = 260$c and publication date = 008/whatever 20:02 jcamins It's silly. 20:02 jcamins Hm. 20:02 jcamins Publication date. 20:04 cait *sigh* 20:04 cait the patch uses copyright all over 20:04 cait well at least it resolves the mix we have now 20:04 jcamins Heh. 20:05 cait only I was tending omre in direction of publication date too 20:48 eythian hi 20:48 wahanui que tal, eythian 20:52 cait morning eythian :) 20:53 eythian howdy 20:53 wahanui hi, eythian 21:00 rambutan wahanui: Bug 7241 21:00 wahanui rambutan: sorry... 21:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Failed QA , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number 21:02 eythian wahanui: why did \you do it is <reply>to impress Jodie Foster 21:02 wahanui OK, eythian. 21:02 eythian wahanui: why did you do it? 21:02 wahanui eythian: i haven't a clue 21:02 eythian wahanui: why did you do it 21:02 wahanui eythian: huh? 21:03 eythian oh well 21:09 oleonard See ya #koha 21:18 cjh MrAgent075: welcome! 21:18 MrAgent075 Hi 21:19 cait hi cjh 21:19 cait hi wizzyrea 21:19 cait academy students today? 21:19 wizzyrea everybody say hi to MrAgent075 - we hope he'll be #200 21:19 wizzyrea ah yep 21:19 cjh cait: MrAgent075 is our academy student :) 21:19 MrAgent075 Guilty as Charged. 21:19 jcamins MrAgent075: welcome! 21:19 cait oh nice :) 21:19 cait hi MrAgent075 21:20 MrAgent075 Hey Everybody! Thanks for the Welcoming Messages, I hope to be here for sometime. :) 21:21 wizzyrea ok fine 199. 21:21 wizzyrea :) 21:22 * wizzyrea was hoping for 200 21:22 cait jcamins: we need cookies for our guest - you should bake some :) 21:23 * cjh already gave MrAgent075 a cookie 21:24 cait heh ok 21:24 jcamins I just baked cookies yesterday! 21:24 jcamins However, after this proposal I think I might have to bake more! 21:24 cjh jcamins: how long does shipping take from <insert where jcamins lives> 21:24 jcamins cjh: you live in NZ. The cookies would be confiscated by customs! 21:25 * MrAgent075 has also recieved a "healthy dose" of muffins. 3 of them in fact. 21:25 cait wow 21:25 wizzyrea yea, that's a bit of a hassle 21:26 cait jcamins: if you packaged them nicely... maybe could get them through customs 21:26 cait I brought in lots of chocolate :) 21:26 jcamins Yeah, but it was pre-packaged. 21:27 * MrAgent075 had problems importing cookies. Shipping broke most cookies in half, or in little crumbs. 21:27 cait MrAgent075: what are they trying to make you do? :P 21:31 jcamins bug 9108 21:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9108 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add uk/euro date sort filter to pages which require it 21:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @CatalystAcademy: "The busy sounds of students working on @kohails, @drupal, @maharaproject, #mezzanine and #KiritakiKoha. #flossac" 21:43 cait :) 21:54 MrAgent075 cait: They are getting me to work on Accessibility. 21:54 cait oh nice :) 21:56 * jcamins hums "but it's not against any religion to dispose of a pigeon" 21:56 jcamins Tom Lehrer. Truly a brilliant artist. 21:57 cait oh? 21:57 dracoling jcamins: I think my sister still has a shrinkwrap machine, we could totally make professional packaging for your cookies. 21:58 jcamins dracoling: I feel like they might notice. 21:58 cait you only need nice labels and packaging :) 21:58 rambutan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer - before my time 21:58 jcamins "A gift from the Camins Cookie Consortium"? 21:58 cait mine wereonly nicely wrapped 21:58 cait not shrink wrapped even 21:58 jcamins rambutan: before mine too. 21:58 eythian jcamins: I think baking tends to be OK 21:58 eythian it's raw that's an issue 21:59 eythian just saying... 21:59 jcamins But I got to thinking about "Fight fiercely Harvard," and that led me into a Tom Lehrer spike. 22:00 rambutan I desperately crave some Caldo de Pollo 22:06 cjh cait: we are looking at accessibility for the intranet side 22:07 cjh cait: particularly regarding visually impaired users 22:07 cait cjh: that's awesome 22:07 wizzyrea cait did you tell me you had a visually impaired librarian at one of your libraris? 22:07 cait yes 22:07 wizzyrea awesome - what areas do they have the most problem in? 22:08 cait [off] one of the libraries we support has a blind staff member 22:08 cait 2 very hard things 22:08 cait sequence of fields in cataloging 22:08 * wizzyrea just knows you are going to say "acquisitions" 22:08 cait the indicators and fields are read in the wrong sequence 22:08 wizzyrea ew yea 22:08 wizzyrea but we are not touching cataloging :/ 22:08 cait and pull down menus with yui :( 22:08 cait she can't use them 22:08 wizzyrea oh yea pulldowns are terribad 22:08 jcamins cait: you make it sound like there might be anything right about cataloging. 22:09 cait jcamins: we don't use it really ;) 22:09 jcamins Heh. 22:09 cait well, actually this library does 22:09 cait they have a lot of locally catalogued materials 22:10 cait wizzyrea: I was hoping the jquery menu would come along and make things better, but it seems even oleonard gave up on it 22:10 cait maybe providing a nicer fallback could be done somehow 22:10 cait not sure 22:11 eythian oh yeah, we've had the menu thing come up. The cart dropdown is not usable on the OPAC either 22:11 cait I think the fallback for the cart is, that it's not even there if you have no javascript 22:12 cait but if you have javascript at some rate.... it's probably a problem 22:12 cait libsysguy: around? 22:12 libsysguy yes? 22:12 cait could you take a look at bug 9126 maybe? 22:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9126 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Receiving orders create too much items 22:13 cait it#s from biblibr and I have signed off.... so that limits our options somehow :) 22:13 cait and it's a critical bug 22:13 libsysguy :'( 22:13 cait why are you giving me the sad smiley? 22:14 libsysguy I'm using my test box for writing selenium test atm 22:14 cait it has a nice test plan!! 22:14 libsysguy hehe 22:14 libsysguy let me save and apply 22:14 cait and it's not big code changes 22:14 cait cool thx 22:15 cjh cait: sorry back, yeah pulldowns from menu in yui are useless with screen readers 22:16 cait terribad. 22:16 cjh they appears as links (ie 'more') and the dropdown isnt near, not sure if we can fix that though. 22:16 cait yeah I thought it was difficult 22:16 cjh what we are looking at first is circ feedback, as many of the messages are ages away from the input field and are not headers (so difficult to find) 22:16 cait those are the 2 main things that were reported to me... and both not easy 22:17 cait cjh: I think every bit of improvement will be great :) 22:18 cait hm only 10 more to catch up to jonathan... 22:18 cjh possibly for the dropdown we could replace yui and write our own js that does it 'right' 22:19 cjh all it would really involve is making the html close and obvious, prob also adding context to the dropdown ie 'more tools (dropdown)' 22:20 cait making some first notes on a bug woudl be good too I think 22:20 cait ok :) sleep time here 22:20 cait bye all :) 22:21 cjh goodnight! 22:21 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:21 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (11:00 PM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Snow Grains. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 22:22 cait snow grains... hm. 22:22 libsysguy cait I have a clean install and for whatever reason i keep getting an error to define a budget even though one is defined 22:22 cait is your budget marked active? 22:22 libsysguy si 22:22 libsysguy err yes 22:22 cait there is a little checkbox 22:22 cait do you have a fund defined for your budget? 22:22 libsysguy yes 22:22 cait that is current (start time - end time) 22:23 cait hm 22:23 jcamins libsysguy: wait a few weeks and it'll magically start working. 22:23 cait try makig the user your own library 22:23 jcamins Yes, I'm serious. 22:23 wizzyrea ^^ 22:23 cait the library you are loggedin with/home library of your user 22:23 libsysguy well i am the admin user 22:23 eythian don't be the admin user 22:23 jcamins Yeah, that won't work. 22:23 cait yep 22:23 libsysguy soab 22:23 cait never be the admin user 22:23 cait soab? 22:24 jcamins Also, you still might need to just wait. 22:24 libsysguy cait its profanity :p 22:24 cait acq is especially picky about that 22:24 cjh cait: son of a b.... 22:24 cait aaaah 22:24 libsysguy yes 22:24 eythian admin user should only be used for admin tasks 22:24 * libsysguy doesn't want to not be the root user :p 22:24 cjh heh 22:24 eythian many things just don't work 22:24 libsysguy i think that is the case with or without being the admin user :p 22:25 cait can you show me a screenshot of your fund? 22:25 cait on your acq start page 22:25 cait do you see a fund in the table? 22:25 libsysguy it has to be because of the admin user thing 22:26 jcamins libsysguy: it's working now? 22:26 libsysguy it may…after I define a patron cateogry, create a patron etc 22:26 libsysguy what a pita 22:26 wahanui a pita is pain in the arse or a kind of bread, usually with pockets 22:27 jcamins lol 22:29 libsysguy ah yup, didn't like root 22:29 wizzyrea version control using git 22:29 wahanui hmmm... version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 22:30 jcamins oh no 22:30 jcamins no 22:30 wizzyrea the first question? 22:30 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 22:30 wizzyrea report library 22:30 wahanui well, report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library 22:30 jcamins I can't remember the cue for the funny picture eythian taught wahanui. 22:30 eythian neither can I 22:30 wizzyrea sighs. slackers. 22:31 jcamins me? 22:31 wahanui you are, like, very, very irascible 22:31 jcamins me? 22:31 wahanui somebody said jcamins was RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. 22:32 cait me? 22:32 wahanui you are qam, not your secretary 22:33 cait libsysguy: that's why I try to avoid resetting my database all that often... 22:34 libsysguy I had to for the nginx code :'( 22:34 * cait sends you a cooki 22:34 cait e 22:34 cait really have to go now :) bye again all :) 22:34 libsysguy aww thanks 22:34 libsysguy later 23:16 wizzyrea me? 23:16 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans 23:16 wizzyrea KEKE 23:55 MrAgent075 Does anyone have an opinion on which size is better? 23:55 MrAgent075 Either http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option1.png OR http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option12png 23:55 MrAgent075 *http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option2.png 23:56 jcamins I don't think I have a strong preference. 23:58 wizzyrea i wish oleonard was around