Time  Nick         Message
23:58 wizzyrea     i wish oleonard was around
23:56 jcamins      I don't think I have a strong preference.
23:55 MrAgent075   *http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option2.png
23:55 MrAgent075   Either http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option1.png OR http://academy13.catalyst.net.nz/option12png
23:55 MrAgent075   Does anyone have an opinion on which size is better?
23:16 wizzyrea     KEKE
23:16 wahanui      rumour has it wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans
23:16 wizzyrea     me?
22:34 libsysguy    later
22:34 libsysguy    aww thanks
22:34 cait         really have to go now :) bye again all :)
22:34 cait         e
22:34 * cait       sends you a cooki
22:34 libsysguy    I had to for the nginx code :'(
22:33 cait         libsysguy: that's why I try to avoid resetting my database all that often...
22:32 wahanui      you are qam, not your secretary
22:32 cait         me?
22:31 wahanui      somebody said jcamins was RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
22:31 jcamins      me?
22:31 wahanui      you are, like, very, very irascible
22:31 jcamins      me?
22:30 wizzyrea     sighs. slackers.
22:30 eythian      neither can I
22:30 jcamins      I can't remember the cue for the funny picture eythian taught wahanui.
22:30 wahanui      well, report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library
22:30 wizzyrea     report library
22:30 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
22:30 wizzyrea     the first question?
22:30 jcamins      no
22:30 jcamins      oh no
22:29 wahanui      hmmm... version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
22:29 wizzyrea     version control using git
22:29 libsysguy    ah yup, didn't like root
22:27 jcamins      lol
22:26 wahanui      a pita is pain in the arse or a kind of bread, usually with pockets
22:26 libsysguy    what a pita
22:26 libsysguy    it may…after I define a patron cateogry, create a patron etc
22:26 jcamins      libsysguy: it's working now?
22:25 libsysguy    it has to be because of the admin user thing
22:25 cait         do you see a fund in the table?
22:25 cait         on your acq start page
22:25 cait         can you show me a screenshot of your fund?
22:24 libsysguy    i think that is the case with or without being the admin user :p
22:24 eythian      many things just don't work
22:24 cjh          heh
22:24 * libsysguy  doesn't want to not be the root user :p
22:24 eythian      admin user should only be used for admin tasks
22:24 libsysguy    yes
22:24 cait         aaaah
22:24 cjh          cait: son of a b....
22:24 cait         acq is especially picky about that
22:24 libsysguy    cait its profanity :p
22:24 jcamins      Also, you still might need to just wait.
22:23 cait         soab?
22:23 cait         never be the admin user
22:23 libsysguy    soab
22:23 cait         yep
22:23 jcamins      Yeah, that won't work.
22:23 eythian      don't be the admin user
22:23 libsysguy    well i am the admin user
22:23 cait         the library you are loggedin with/home library of your user
22:23 wizzyrea     ^^
22:23 jcamins      Yes, I'm serious.
22:23 cait         try makig the user your own library
22:23 jcamins      libsysguy: wait a few weeks and it'll magically start working.
22:23 cait         hm
22:22 cait         that is current (start time - end time)
22:22 libsysguy    yes
22:22 cait         do you have a fund defined for your budget?
22:22 cait         there is a little checkbox
22:22 libsysguy    err yes
22:22 libsysguy    si
22:22 cait         is your budget marked active?
22:22 libsysguy    cait I have a clean install and for whatever reason i keep getting an error to define a budget even though one is defined
22:22 cait         snow grains... hm.
22:21 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (11:00 PM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Snow Grains. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
22:21 cait         @wunder Konstanz
22:21 cjh          goodnight!
22:20 cait         bye all :)
22:20 cait         ok :) sleep time here
22:20 cait         making some first notes on a bug woudl be good too I think
22:19 cjh          all it would really involve is making the html close and obvious, prob also adding context to the dropdown ie 'more tools (dropdown)'
22:18 cjh          possibly for the dropdown we could replace yui and write our own js that does it 'right'
22:18 cait         hm only 10 more to catch up to jonathan...
22:17 cait         cjh: I think every bit of improvement will be great :)
22:16 cait         those are the 2 main things that were reported to me... and both not easy
22:16 cjh          what we are looking at first is circ feedback, as many of the messages are ages away from the input field and are not headers (so difficult to find)
22:16 cait         yeah I thought it was difficult
22:16 cjh          they appears as links (ie 'more') and the dropdown isnt near, not sure if we can fix that though.
22:16 cait         terribad.
22:15 cjh          cait: sorry back, yeah pulldowns from menu in yui are useless with screen readers
22:14 cait         cool thx
22:14 cait         and it's not big code changes
22:14 libsysguy    let me save and apply
22:14 libsysguy    hehe
22:14 cait         it has a nice test plan!!
22:14 libsysguy    I'm using my test box for writing selenium test atm
22:13 cait         why are you giving me the sad smiley?
22:13 libsysguy    :'(
22:13 cait         and it's a critical bug
22:13 cait         it#s from biblibr and I have signed off.... so  that limits our options somehow :)
22:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9126 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Receiving orders create too much items
22:12 cait         could you take a look at bug 9126 maybe?
22:12 libsysguy    yes?
22:12 cait         libsysguy: around?
22:12 cait         but if you have javascript at some rate.... it's probably a problem
22:11 cait         I think the fallback for the cart is, that it's not even there if you have no javascript
22:11 eythian      oh yeah, we've had the menu thing come up. The cart dropdown is not usable on the OPAC either
22:10 cait         not sure
22:10 cait         maybe providing a nicer fallback could be done somehow
22:10 cait         wizzyrea: I was hoping the jquery menu would come along and make things better, but it seems even oleonard gave up on it
22:09 cait         they have a lot of locally catalogued materials
22:09 cait         well, actually this library does
22:09 jcamins      Heh.
22:09 cait         jcamins: we don't use it really ;)
22:08 jcamins      cait: you make it sound like there might be anything right about cataloging.
22:08 wizzyrea     oh yea pulldowns are terribad
22:08 cait         she can't use them
22:08 cait         and pull down menus with yui :(
22:08 wizzyrea     but we are not touching cataloging :/
22:08 wizzyrea     ew yea
22:08 cait         the indicators and fields are read in the wrong sequence
22:08 * wizzyrea   just knows you are going to say "acquisitions"
22:08 cait         sequence of fields in cataloging
22:08 cait         2 very hard things
22:08 cait         [off] one of the libraries we support has a blind staff member
22:07 wizzyrea     awesome - what areas do they have the most problem in?
22:07 cait         yes
22:07 wizzyrea     cait did you tell me you had a visually impaired librarian at one of your libraris?
22:07 cait         cjh: that's awesome
22:07 cjh          cait: particularly regarding visually impaired users
22:06 cjh          cait: we are looking at accessibility for the intranet side
22:00 rambutan     I desperately crave some Caldo de Pollo
21:59 jcamins      But I got to thinking about "Fight fiercely Harvard," and that led me into a Tom Lehrer spike.
21:59 eythian      just saying...
21:58 eythian      it's raw that's an issue
21:58 eythian      jcamins: I think baking tends to be OK
21:58 jcamins      rambutan: before mine too.
21:58 cait         not shrink wrapped even
21:58 cait         mine wereonly nicely wrapped
21:58 jcamins      "A gift from the Camins Cookie Consortium"?
21:58 rambutan     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer   - before my time
21:58 cait         you only need nice labels and packaging :)
21:58 jcamins      dracoling: I feel like they might notice.
21:57 dracoling    jcamins: I think my sister still has a shrinkwrap machine, we could totally make professional packaging for your cookies.
21:57 cait         oh?
21:56 jcamins      Tom Lehrer. Truly a brilliant artist.
21:56 * jcamins    hums "but it's not against any religion to dispose of a pigeon"
21:54 cait         oh nice :)
21:54 MrAgent075   cait: They are getting me to work on Accessibility.
21:43 cait         :)
21:43 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @CatalystAcademy: "The busy sounds of students working on @kohails, @drupal, @maharaproject, #mezzanine and #KiritakiKoha. #flossac"
21:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9108 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add uk/euro date sort filter to pages which require it
21:31 jcamins      bug 9108
21:27 cait         MrAgent075: what are they trying to make you do? :P
21:27 * MrAgent075 had problems importing cookies. Shipping broke most cookies in half, or in little crumbs.
21:26 jcamins      Yeah, but it was pre-packaged.
21:26 cait         I brought in lots of chocolate :)
21:26 cait         jcamins: if you packaged them nicely... maybe could get them through customs
21:25 wizzyrea     yea, that's a bit of a hassle
21:25 cait         wow
21:25 * MrAgent075 has also recieved a "healthy dose" of muffins. 3 of them in fact.
21:24 jcamins      cjh: you live in NZ. The cookies would be confiscated by customs!
21:24 cjh          jcamins: how long does shipping take from <insert where jcamins lives>
21:24 jcamins      However, after this proposal I think I might have to bake more!
21:24 jcamins      I just baked cookies yesterday!
21:24 cait         heh ok
21:23 * cjh        already gave MrAgent075 a cookie
21:22 cait         jcamins: we need cookies for our guest - you should bake some :)
21:22 * wizzyrea   was hoping for 200
21:21 wizzyrea     :)
21:21 wizzyrea     ok fine 199.
21:20 MrAgent075   Hey Everybody! Thanks for the Welcoming Messages, I hope to be here for sometime. :)
21:19 cait         hi MrAgent075
21:19 cait         oh nice :)
21:19 jcamins      MrAgent075: welcome!
21:19 MrAgent075   Guilty as Charged.
21:19 cjh          cait: MrAgent075 is our academy student :)
21:19 wizzyrea     ah yep
21:19 wizzyrea     everybody say hi to MrAgent075 - we hope he'll be #200
21:19 cait         academy students today?
21:19 cait         hi wizzyrea
21:19 cait         hi cjh
21:18 MrAgent075   Hi
21:18 cjh          MrAgent075: welcome!
21:09 oleonard     See ya #koha
21:03 eythian      oh well
21:02 wahanui      eythian: huh?
21:02 eythian      wahanui: why did you do it
21:02 wahanui      eythian: i haven't a clue
21:02 eythian      wahanui: why did you do it?
21:02 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:02 eythian      wahanui: why did \you do it is <reply>to impress Jodie Foster
21:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Failed QA , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number
21:00 wahanui      rambutan: sorry...
21:00 rambutan     wahanui: Bug 7241
20:53 wahanui      hi, eythian
20:53 eythian      howdy
20:52 cait         morning eythian :)
20:48 wahanui      que tal, eythian
20:48 eythian      hi
20:05 cait         only I was tending omre in direction of publication date too
20:04 jcamins      Heh.
20:04 cait         well at least it resolves the mix we have now
20:04 cait         the patch uses copyright all over
20:04 cait         *sigh*
20:02 jcamins      Publication date.
20:02 jcamins      Hm.
20:02 jcamins      It's silly.
20:02 jcamins      Copyright date = 260$c and publication date = 008/whatever
20:02 cait         what is appropriate for the suggestions form
20:02 cait         ok
20:02 jcamins      Both.
20:02 cait         ssh
20:02 jcamins      Maybe.
20:02 cait         are we using Copyright date or publication date in koha?
20:02 jcamins      Yes.
20:02 jcamins      No.
20:01 cait         question for native speakers
20:01 cait         hm
19:48 rangi        ok, time to take atarau to kindergarten cyas
19:47 rangi        done
19:43 rangi        ill rerun combining rambutan and rhcl
19:42 cait         rangi++ :)
19:42 oleonard     rangi++ # For collecting stats!
19:41 jcamins      Hehe.
19:41 oleonard     "reiveune wrote the shortest lines, averaging 8.7 characters per line." Because he mostly only says "Bye" :)
19:39 rangi        hmm true
19:39 oleonard     rangi: You'll need to merge rambutan and rhcl
19:38 jcamins      Ooh, I'm catching up to kados!
19:37 libsysguy    rangi sure is a chatty Cathy :p
19:36 oleonard     Bad?
19:36 cait         oh, it's not as bad as last time :)
19:36 * cait       fears the worst
19:35 rangi        http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
19:35 rangi        new irc stats
19:29 cait         I like the sentence that doesn't use the unspellable word :)
19:27 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling).
19:27 rangi        @wunder nzwn
19:10 * libsysguy  is having a debate with himself about synchronous vs asynchronous
19:10 jcamins      Ooh, that last one fits the sentence perfectly, thanks!
19:10 libsysguy    if it is synchronous I would expect it would block all other indexes
19:10 rangi        or updated records are indexed immediately
19:09 rangi        indexing happens immediately
19:09 rangi        how about
19:08 jcamins      lol
19:08 jcamins      What I had written was "and indexing happens immediately when a record is updated," but that sounds dumb.
19:08 libsysguy    BUT I think you should have to raise a pinky while saying it
19:08 jcamins      Yay!
19:08 libsysguy    it does :)
19:08 libsysguy    then yes
19:07 jcamins      Yes.
19:07 libsysguy    does that mean indexes that happen instantly?
19:07 jcamins      Question for you (anyone): does "synchronous index updates" make sense?
19:07 wahanui      hmmm... morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:07 jcamins      Morning.
19:06 rangi        morning
18:48 * cait       waves
18:47 drojf        how conservative ;)
18:45 jcamins      I prefer regular OSes.
18:44 jcamins      It was kind of weird.
18:44 * jcamins    worked with a custom real-time OS once.
18:42 drojf        of course, who wouldn't?
18:40 jcamins      Or, of course, you could just write your own OS.
18:39 drojf        heh
18:39 jcamins      Now you just have to get dpavlin to print you up a case and you're good to go!
18:38 jcamins      Runs Squeeze, Wheezy, or Ubuntu 12.10.
18:37 jcamins      4x1.2ghz
18:37 drojf        4x1ghz? that sounds capable
18:34 jcamins      drojf: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1672220.pdf
18:32 drojf        decrypting even
18:32 jcamins      You should just build your own!
18:32 jcamins      Heh.
18:32 drojf        i hope they will put on a faster cpu at some point, it's really no fun enrypting a harddisk at the moment. i wanted to have one serving files and torrenting, but it takes ages to check the files :(
18:30 jcamins      Because everyone needs a Pi-controlled amateur radio tranceiver, especially if they don't like talking on radios because they're shy.
18:30 drojf        :)
18:30 jcamins      Also under consideration is my own Pi-controlled amateur radio tranceiver.
18:29 drojf        everybody should be able to measure a lot of stuff. just in case
18:29 drojf        perfect!
18:29 jcamins      And no, you are not mistaken in thinking that I don't do anything that would require _any_ of these devices.
18:28 jcamins      Also very tempting is a laser distance finder.
18:28 jcamins      So I have decided I need a Raspberry Pi that supports precise distance measurements using the caliper, temperature measurements using a thermocouple, all the functionality one generally expects from an electrical multimeter, a hygrometer...
18:28 drojf        lol. never stop ;)
18:27 jcamins      Then I thought "why stop there?"
18:27 jcamins      I have a caliper with a serial port, so I decided that I should hook it up to a Raspberry Pi.
18:27 drojf        excellent idea :D
18:27 jcamins      My next Raspberry Pi is going to be used for building an absurdly over-functional multimeter.
18:26 jcamins      Not for a while.
18:26 jcamins      lol
18:26 drojf        cool! so when are you getting the next one? :D
18:26 huginn       jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
18:26 jcamins      @karma jcamins_away
18:26 huginn       jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (720), "oleonard" (612), and "jcamins" (485).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-98), and "-" (-69).  You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2348.
18:26 jcamins      @karma
18:25 gaetan_B     bye !
18:24 jcamins      And the Koha catalog is automatically advertised using Zeroconf.
18:23 drojf        sweet
18:23 jcamins      drojf: I have Koha running on it using nginx and Starman.
18:23 drojf        how is the raspberry pi business going?
18:22 drojf        lol
18:22 jcamins      What is it they shout at discos? "Relevance ranking, baby"?
18:21 * drojf      turns on the blacklight and hangs up a disco ball for jcamins
18:15 jcamins      Blacklight!
18:15 wahanui      sure thing jcamins
18:15 jcamins      Thanks, wahanui.
18:15 wahanui      rumour has it help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help
18:15 jcamins      help?
18:15 jcamins      Vufind and...
18:14 jcamins      There are two major open source discovery interfaces.
17:57 gerundio     jcamins, it does :p
17:38 jatara       Firefox has print preview so that's something to look at
17:35 jcamins      (it must)
17:35 jcamins      (does Windows have print preview?)
17:34 jcamins      With print preview/without print preview or something like that.
17:34 jcamins      I'd try and watch the librarian, see if she does anything different between when it works and when it doesn't.
17:34 jatara       All right. Thanks so much!
17:33 jcamins      Koha just uses the browser's print functionality.
17:33 jcamins      jatara: in that case it has nothing to do with Koha.
17:33 cait         jatara: I think we can be pretty sure it's not koha... so it must be something done locally.
17:32 gerundio     jcamins++
17:32 jatara       That's not possible. I have one person reports she gets both regular size and teeny tiny size on same report, same computer, same printer.
17:32 cait         'seite einrichten'
17:32 jcamins      I can't give you any more specific advice than that because the last time I used Windows for printing something, XP was new enough that companies weren't upgrading.
17:32 cait         if you go to print and then... settings... I only know how it's called in german
17:31 jcamins      Printer settings on your computer.
17:31 cait         not settings from the printer
17:31 cait         browser settings for printers
17:31 jatara       Nope. Another person and I printed to the same printer -- got two completely different sizes.
17:31 jcamins      Those seem like good guesses.
17:30 cait         jatara: it often happens to me when I do that on purpose that it sticks for later printouts
17:30 cait         jatara: maybe they set some print setting to reduce it to one page or 80% or something?
17:30 jcamins      Something to do with your printer settings.
17:30 jatara       where?
17:30 jcamins      jatara: that's going to be a local configuration problem.
17:30 jatara       We are a school district. All our settings are the same, including browsers.
17:30 jcamins      I don't see any syspref for changing it.
17:29 jatara       It's hard to explain, but my librarians are running a customized report that I created. Some people are reporting that it prints out in teeny tiny font and others (like me) find the size is perfectly adequate. I do have a copy of the teeny tiny font report and it's indeed printing that way, but not on my computer
17:29 jcamins      gerundio: you could hide the button with CSS/Javascript.
17:28 gerundio     do people use the same browser across the different computers?
17:28 gerundio     jatara, can you give an example?
17:27 gerundio     I only found one preference "viewISBD" but that's just for the staff client
17:27 jatara       Hi, all. Does anyone know why the reports page prints out in teeny tiny font on some computers but not on others?
17:27 gerundio     hi, how can I disable ISBD view in OPAC?
17:18 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Setting My Privacy in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/oVxt7yRL"
16:57 rambutan     tnx
16:57 jcamins      View the patron record, then click on the More button and "Set permissions."
16:55 rambutan     where do I do that?
16:54 rambutan     I need some help--I normally don't do any admin within Koha, but my TS supervisor is gone and I need to give a staff member, currently with just regular patron privileges, access to the staff interface.
16:36 reiveune     bye
16:08 rambutan     Yea, they tend to wander around like that sometimes.
16:03 jcamins      They're not anymore.
16:03 jcamins      Oh, I see.
16:02 jcamins      I just learned that there are some counties in the US that are in more than one state.
15:57 jcamins      Hello.
15:55 vfernandes   hello :)
15:35 rambutan     http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:30563   especially the image with 4 mounted Pi's.  Looks like a poor implementation of a good idea (Pi cluster case)
15:34 jcamins      kf: I can make one myself, I just think that a printed one would be cooler.
15:33 kf           drojf biult his out of a plasctic box with lid I think
15:33 kf           the only problem might be shipping :)
15:33 kf           jcamins: you could ask dpavlin
15:32 oleonard     http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:26685
15:32 jcamins      Cool!
15:31 jcamins      Someone was not feeling very creative when they came up with that.
15:31 jcamins      Hehe. Thingiverse.
15:31 rambutan     http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:16104
15:29 rambutan     there are several Pi case patterns out there
15:24 jcamins      Someone should print a Raspberry Pi case.
15:23 rambutan     I predict it will become quite valuable in the future for printing (older?) car parts
15:23 oleonard     Still haven't done that though ;)
15:23 oleonard     jcamins: Better yet, making friends with someone with access to one?
15:23 rambutan     yep, one of the big selling points for 3D printing.
15:23 jcamins      oleonard: so you're buying a thousand dollar printer?
15:22 oleonard     I wasn't much interested in 3D printing until I found a site offering the pattern to a tiny part I need for my graphics tablet stylus which would otherwise require a $70 replacement
15:21 rambutan     #reprap is on freenode
15:21 magnuse      "RepRap is humanity's first general-purpose self-replicating manufacturing machine. "
15:21 rambutan     one of the most active "productivity" channels I've seen. There is a lot of low-level dev work there
15:20 rambutan     3D printing http://www.reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
15:20 oleonard     #reprap?
15:17 rambutan     500 people on #reprap. Think it has downed xchat. Need restart
15:15 huginn       rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.9°C (9:13 AM CST on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Rising).
15:15 rambutan     @wunder 64507
15:14 jcamins      You know, when answering people on mibbit I should tell them not to just click links.
15:14 magnuse      jcamins++
15:12 kf           jcamins++ :)
15:12 jcamins      That page has instructions.
15:12 jcamins      Now our bot knows. :)
15:12 wahanui      installing translations is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
15:12 jcamins      installing translations?
15:11 jcamins      installing translations is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
15:11 jcamins      Those questions were for the bot, not you. :)
15:11 jcamins      It will take me a few minutes to find it.
15:11 alefas       for koha 3.10
15:11 jcamins      alefas: our bot doesn't seem to have a link.
15:11 alefas       yes
15:10 jcamins      i18n?
15:10 jcamins      installing translations?
15:10 wahanui      translations is probably http://translate.koha-community.org/
15:10 jcamins      translations?
15:08 alefas       are there info about this anywhere in the web?
15:08 alefas       hi i would like to ask how can i set koha interface to greek language?
15:00 lms          hmm, ok. thank you all
14:59 kf           lms: well the search for item relevant data like barcode, you will have to edit files to make that work and it going to explode at every update you ever make
14:59 kf           lms: the search will not be working.
14:59 kf           lms: you will end up getting very disappointed with yourself if you do that.
14:58 * magnuse    too
14:58 * kf         seconds that
14:58 jcamins      However, I'd strongly recommend against changing the item mapping.
14:58 jcamins      ^^ the manual should have a section on Koha to MARC mappings.
14:57 wahanui      i heard manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
14:57 jcamins      manual?
14:57 lms          Does anyone know how to put a new field in "Koha to MARC mapping"? I'm using UNIMARC and koha uses 995 but I want to use 966
14:55 kf           hi lms
14:54 lms          Hello!
14:53 jcamins      I do not know.
14:53 kf           does someone know if newer koha versions log categorytype ni statistics?
14:51 magnuse      moahaha
14:51 jcamins      magnuse: no! Bad magnuse! :P
14:50 magnuse      no worries, you can just run ucfirst on it ;-)
14:48 oleonard     were *not*
14:48 oleonard     Luckily those were real MARC records back then
14:48 jcamins      Funny, but horrible.
14:48 kf           ouch.
14:48 jcamins      That's horrible!
14:48 oleonard     jcamins: When my library first started adding records to an electronic catalog the data-entry people were told to use all caps to save time
14:47 kf           regardng spaces
14:47 kf           jcamins: can't remember seeing it - but I think we have some inconsistencies in the xslt files
14:46 jcamins      oleonard: heh.
14:46 kf           all good then, only a conflict to fix.... hope a not too hard one
14:46 oleonard     jcamins: Eliminating spaces saves catalogers valuable time otherwise spent hitting the space bar?
14:45 kf           I didn't know that
14:45 magnuse      ...without making it invalid xslt
14:45 kf           ah
14:45 jcamins      Yeah, the entities are correct.
14:45 magnuse      kf: i think the entities are part of the xslt logic? because you cant say x>1 in xslt
14:44 jcamins      I don't have an example, but a few times I've seen screenshots of Koha installations where all the words in authors' names are run together without spaces.
14:44 kf           jcamins: huh? :)
14:44 kf           I tried looking at the conflict, but was not sure how to fixit and the entities were really irritating me
14:43 kf           it had to wait for some time
14:43 jcamins      Hey, has anyone noticed authors not having any spaces in their names?
14:43 oleonard     Not your fault of course.
14:43 kf           oleonard: I am sorry for that :(
14:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8661 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , break out additional authors in opac like in staff
14:41 oleonard     Wow Bug 8661 has turned out to be a huge pain in the ass.
14:22 oleonard     cat, dog, chickens, children, etc.
14:17 wahanui      morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
14:17 jcamins      Morning.
14:16 kf           morning jcamins
14:11 * oleonard   doesn't install often enough
14:11 jcamins      oleonard: no.
14:11 H            testing
14:11 oleonard     Is that not set by the install process?
14:11 H            found it
14:09 jcamins      KohaAdminEmail or something like that.
14:09 jcamins      There's a syspref.
14:08 H            hey
14:08 jcamins      Good morning, #koha.
14:08 H            or is that done outside koha
14:08 H            is there a spot in koha where you can change the email adres used when he sends something ?
13:11 kf           good morning oleonard
13:10 oleonard     Hello #koha
12:35 jwagner      quit
12:07 magnuse      (in the sense that i recall correctly)
12:06 magnuse      good :-)
12:05 kf           you are right
12:05 kf           magnuse: yes, only helps for items.
12:02 magnuse      but records are shared no matter what you set independentbranches to, right?
12:02 kf           ah too late
12:01 kf           tts: independentbranches
11:31 tts          if there are multiple libraries
11:31 tts          hw can i set up restriction on not allowing other library staff to edit biblios of other libraries
11:02 drojf        hi kf
11:01 kf           hi drojf
11:01 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.0°C (11:55 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
11:01 kf           @wunder Konstanz
10:41 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -4.4°C (11:13 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
10:41 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
10:39 drojf        hey magnuse
10:38 magnuse      hiya drojf and reiveune
10:37 drojf        hi #koha
10:16 magnuse      hm, library-intra should probably be the intranet? but the maintenance message certainly comes from the opac
10:15 kf           ^^ what he said :)
10:15 magnuse      probably replace :80 with :8080 at the end of the url
10:14 magnuse      ryzasss: you need to access the admin interface
10:14 ryzasss      Pls some advice
10:14 ryzasss      I am trying to install Koha on ubuntu. On instalation guide i reached the point. Web installion> here i am stuck ,, lynx http://library-intra.framisdooby.org:80 it redirects me to maitenance and stops working
10:14 samuel       magnuse: i'll check
10:13 kf           magnuse++ sorry typoed :)
10:13 kf           magnuseüü
10:13 magnuse      samuel: and what does  /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 3008 do (in your version)?
10:12 samuel       good idea, i'll  make a test.
10:11 magnuse      samuel: did you check the marc record? to me "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value" sounds like a problem with the record. like koha looking for a field/subfield that is not in the record
10:08 samuel       kf: this link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-zebra-index-issue-td3048066.html give me some ideas
10:08 ryzasss      I have a problem maybe somebody could help
10:08 kf           hi ryzasss
10:08 kf           samuel: sorry, running out of ideas here, but hard to see what's going wrong from here
10:07 ryzasss      hi
10:06 kf           hm
10:04 samuel       link between item and record are ok
10:02 samuel       the import worked very well (we have many records without barcodes but it's another story)
10:01 kf           did you check the entry in the items table for the barcode you tried?
10:01 samuel       yes, of course  and i've rebuild my zebra index but i've doubt, i will check my configuration
10:00 kf           did you rebuild your zebra index?
10:00 kf           so you imported them into an empty datbase?
10:00 kf           ok
10:00 samuel       bulkmarcimport
09:59 kf           and how did you get them imported? using staged marc import?
09:59 kf           so you added the items to your marc records?
09:59 samuel       with marc-mir, i've fixed the problem i had last week
09:58 kf           how did you add the items?
09:58 kf           I think there is something wrong with your data
09:57 kf           check the barcode is in your items table
09:57 kf           what rangi said
09:57 samuel       good night :-)
09:56 rangi        and with that, i am going to sleep :)
09:56 rangi        circulation doesnt use zebra
09:55 samuel       i think i have to look at my zebra configuration;
09:52 samuel       oups, my translation is not good. I choose a borrower, i have the page "checking out to Mr ....", i enter item barcode and i've this error.
09:49 kf           and where are you entering the barcode when it's not found?
09:48 kf           samuel: what do youmean by circulation history?
09:41 samuel       something may miss in my configuration but where?
09:41 samuel       i'v solved my problems correctly for item, our base run  but there's something trouble: when i enter barcode , i've this message "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 3008, <DATA> line 581." but in circulation history, i find my book.
09:38 kf           hi samuel
09:37 samuel       hi everybody
08:53 kf           probably
08:50 rangi        i have no idea what that guy is doing to his cron jobs, but it's all wrong whatever it is
08:38 rangi        we've sponsored a few in the past
08:35 clrh         rangi: you're welcome, happy to see catalyst as a drupalcon sponsor ^^
08:22 kf           thx rangi
08:22 rangi        wb kf
08:21 kf           good morning #koha
08:13 wahanui      hello, gaetan_B
08:13 gaetan_B     hello
07:51 jajm         hi cait
07:51 jajm         hi rangi
07:50 cait         bbiab
07:50 rangi        hi jajm
07:49 jajm         good morning #koha
07:49 rangi        thanks for the retweet about catalyst clrh
07:47 cait         of course... I have to leave for work now... and it starts snowing.
07:46 cait         a lot even
07:46 cait         suddenly, we got snow
07:46 cait         oh wow
07:45 alex_a       hello cait
07:38 reiveune     bonjour cait :)
07:38 cait         hi reiveune :)
07:37 reiveune     hello
07:36 cait         hi alex_a :)
07:33 wahanui      privet, alex_a
07:33 alex_a       bonjour
07:33 mveron       BRB
07:32 mveron       Thanks, cait :-)
07:31 cait         mveron++ rangi++ early morning/evening sign offs
07:31 magnuse      cait: for solving problems
07:30 cait         hm?
07:30 magnuse      cait++
07:28 cait         solved even
07:28 cait         soled
07:23 cait         oh, I see
07:23 cait         my git says dirty index
07:23 cait         hm
07:17 huginn       mveron: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Switzerland is -1.2°C (8:02 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:17 mveron       @wunder schaffhausen
07:17 cait         coworker near schaffhausen reports lots of snow
07:17 cait         ah
07:16 mveron       No snow, snowy rain...
07:16 mveron       hi cait :-)
07:16 cait         did you get snow?
07:16 cait         hi mveron :)
07:14 huginn       mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:14 mveron       @wunder Basel
07:14 mveron       Good morning #koha
06:52 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Switzerland is -1.2°C (7:47 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:52 cait         @wunder schaffhausen
06:49 magnuse      rainy day, dream away...
06:48 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
06:48 rangi        @wunder nzwn
06:48 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.4°C (7:45 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
06:48 cait         @wunder Konstanz
06:48 huginn       cait: Error: No such location could be found.
06:48 cait         @wunder Konstnaz
06:41 magnuse      w00t!
06:41 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:41 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:41 magnuse      :-)
06:40 cait         good morning magnuse :)
06:40 magnuse      morning cait and #koha
06:05 cait         morning #koha
04:49 tts          while setting koha with multiple branch libraries is it possible to restrict library staff to edit records of their own libraries and how to allow borrowers to borrow book from any branch library what circulation preference needs to be set
04:00 wizzyrea     that's my cue I think.
03:59 eythian      I haven't checked that
03:59 eythian      Well, I suppose it could be conditional
03:59 * wizzyrea   blinks
03:59 eythian      ^-- on a scale of one to totally wrong...
03:59 eythian      modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t7">
03:59 eythian      modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t1">
03:59 eythian      modules/opac-topissues.tt:<div id="doc3" class="yui-t1">
03:57 eythian      that does look better
03:56 wizzyrea     I think that gets the point across.
03:56 wizzyrea     http://imgur.com/GZGBV
03:53 wizzyrea     ^.^
03:53 eythian      It's effort to make something like that not work, usually :)
03:53 wizzyrea     ok yes, that's nicer.
03:53 wizzyrea     hah it does work. How funny.
03:51 wizzyrea     hm
03:51 eythian      or have it turn '*...*' into italics or something
03:51 eythian      I dunno, but if not it'd be worth making it do so
03:51 wizzyrea     will it show that? I honestly didn't try.
03:50 eythian      why not <i> or <b>?
03:50 eythian      I wouldn't have the **
03:49 wizzyrea     I think I like this the best http://imgur.com/CZrxQ
03:37 wizzyrea     favor of
03:36 wizzyrea     I suppose in favor or "parameters"
03:36 rangi        hmm what?
03:36 wizzyrea     permission "management"
03:35 wizzyrea     wait... the documentation states that permission management is no longer in use
02:36 * wizzyrea   still may need help but... will do her best/worst
02:36 wizzyrea     ok cool.
02:36 wizzyrea     ok so do it the old way still?
02:36 jcamins_away updatedatabase works the same way as before.
02:36 jcamins_away We did, yes.
02:35 wizzyrea     so how are we doing database updates now? did we roll back the big change to that?
01:26 ibeardslee   but that is confusing
01:25 cjh          ibeardslee: dont do that, then it will seem like the koha team is even smaller!
01:25 ibeardslee   cjh: yeah I've been trying to workout how to configure the setting so only students show
01:24 jcamins_away Thanks!
01:24 jcamins_away mib_vczt1x: yes, it looked good! :D
01:21 mib_vczt1x   jcamins_away: you reviewed the submission i made for the centos?
01:17 jcamins_away There's an online cooking show called "kamikaze cookery"? Awesome!
01:15 jcamins_away What are the other projects?
01:08 cjh          no, they are the tutors. drats.
01:08 cjh          to battle!!!
01:08 cjh          and 23 havent answered yet
01:08 jcamins_away \o/
01:07 cjh          theres a koha person!!!!!
01:07 jcamins_away Also, "work on Koha, the RM just baked 121 rum chocolate chip cookies, and if you work on Koha he'll probably give you some if you go to the US."
01:06 jcamins_away "Work on Koha, we understand the importance of cookies and are always prepared to cheer you up with a plate of fresh cookies."
01:05 ibeardslee   well you could try to sell the cookies, but 'selling' koha would be betterer
01:04 wahanui      Cookies are delicious delicacies
01:04 cjh          the cookies?
01:04 ibeardslee   cjh: also use the academy moodle (discussion forum) to help sell it
01:03 jcamins_away lol
01:03 wahanui      reiveune ate them all
01:03 wizzyrea     or chocolate.
01:03 cjh          it could work..
01:02 wizzyrea     "work on Koha, we have cookies"
01:02 * cjh        runs out to buy cookies
01:00 jcamins_away ibeardslee: tell them that the RM is not nearly as scary as he sounds.
00:59 ibeardslee   hmmmm ... the Kiritaki Koha group filled up real quick, but noone has picked Koha (unless people start changing around) :(
00:48 rangi        ok then
00:48 rangi        items
00:48 mib_ygxhlr   gtg, thanks for the help
00:48 rangi        no
00:46 mib_ygxhlr   I should say I can see the tables in my koha library in sql - is it the biblio table?
00:45 mib_ygxhlr   I can see the tables, but am new to sql
00:44 mib_ygxhlr   what table contains the holdings/item info for a book barcode and how do I look at that in mysql?
00:44 mib_ygxhlr   ok, here's a better one
00:42 jcamins_away rangi: heh. Seems to have been a good guess.
00:42 mib_ygxhlr   apt-cache worked too - thanks
00:41 rangi        jcamins_away: that was my guess anyway
00:41 rangi        jcamins_away: someone new to koha, most likely has new version :)
00:41 rangi        if you are using the packages
00:41 rangi        will tell you too
00:41 rangi        apt-cache policy koha-common
00:40 mib_ygxhlr   I didn't know if I was updating oldstable or sqeeze
00:39 jcamins_away rangi: ... what reasoning led you to that correct conclusion?
00:39 mib_ygxhlr   yup
00:39 rangi        what version btw? im guessing 3.10.1
00:38 mib_ygxhlr   excellent, thanks
00:38 rangi        go to the about page in the staff client
00:37 mib_ygxhlr   greetings, is there a simple way to tell what version of Koha I have installed via the staff client or terminal command line?