IRC log for #koha, 2011-07-13

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00:25 Brooke see ya
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00:45 jcamins_away @later tell larryb If you're still having trouble with packages, it looks like running apt-get update and deleting your kohabuild directory may solve the problems.
00:45 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
00:49 jcamins_away @later tell larryb Also, sudo pbuilder update.
00:49 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
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01:56 glernil good day!
01:57 glernil my mail server is always sending me a message with the following content
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01:57 glernil Can't locate C4/ in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ line 6. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild
01:57 glernil what should I do?
01:58 glernil Is this a major problem?
01:58 jcamins_away glernil: you'll need to set PERL5LIB correctly.
01:59 glernil how should i do that?
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01:59 jcamins_away Read the documentation.
01:59 jcamins_away INSTALL.debian.
01:59 jcamins_away (in the tar.gz file.
02:00 jcamins_away I am on a saturated connection. Sorry about the terseness.
02:00 glernil ok i'll check it then
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02:29 jcamins_away Isn't there a way to have the packages use a pre-populated database?
03:00 eythian jcamins_away: yes, there is
03:01 jcamins_away eythian! How are you?
03:02 eythian Not too bad. A bit sleepy :)
03:02 jcamins_away Isn't it mid-day or so?
03:02 eythian 3pm
03:02 jcamins_away Ah, time for a post-prandial snooze.
03:03 eythian also still feeling the flight home a little bit.
03:05 jcamins_away How would I use a pre-existing database?
03:06 jcamins_away The database is called koha_${NAME}, because I liked that idea from the Debian packages.
03:06 eythian are you running the packages? Because if you are, you can do koha-dump-defaults
03:06 jcamins_away No, I had a git install from way back.
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03:07 eythian ah OK. In that case, have a look at what koha-dump-defaults does, and do that by hand :)
03:07 eythian it's pretty much just mysqldump with a few other bits.
03:08 jcamins_away Okay, that looks pretty straightforward.
03:09 jcamins_away I guess it's unfortunate that I called my database koha_${NAME}.
03:09 eythian it shouldn't matter really
03:09 jcamins_away I'll have to reload it into a different database so that I have a backup in case something goes wrong.
03:10 eythian just make an sql dump and put that somewhere safe
03:14 * eythian makes summoning motions
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03:15 eythian wahanui: welcome back
03:15 wahanui eythian: huh?
03:16 jcamins_away Hooray!
03:16 jcamins_away eythian++
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03:28 jcamins_away ]]]]]]]
03:28 jcamins_away Myshkin says "hi, eythian and wahanui! We missed you!"
03:31 jcamins_away wahanui: Myshkin?
03:31 wahanui i heard Myshkin was more than articulate enough without me performing his interior monologue.
03:31 jcamins_away :D
03:41 eythian[…]ce+Engine/5225045 <-- music for you all. Can't remember if I've posted this here before. If I have, you should listen to it again.
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03:45 rangi hi pauln
03:46 pauln Hi Chris
03:46 pauln Do you know if im on the right track with the z39 thing for fed searching?
03:47 pauln or oaipmh like lori suggested?
03:47 rangi yep i reckon so
03:47 rangi it depends what you are going to search it from
03:48 pauln from waihi college catalogue
03:49 rangi smart new things, can do sru/sw or ils-di (oai-pmh isnt for searching, but harvesting, a bit different)
03:49 rangi old things can talk z3950
03:49 rangi i suspect whatever they are running would be more happy with Z3950
03:50 pauln yep they're on access it i think
03:50 pauln and use z39 for cataloguing
03:50 rangi assuming access it can do federated searching, then that oughta work just fine :)
03:50 rangi oh hey
03:50 wahanui hello, rangi
03:50 rangi are you coming to the user group meeting?
03:51 pauln yep, 3 of us
03:51 rangi sweet
03:52 rangi stdc are, and rangitikei and waitaki
03:52 rangi so a good number of public librarians
03:52 rangi plus opus, plant and food and a few others .. should be a good day
03:53 pauln sounds good - levin is a bit of a pain to get to but
03:53 rangi *nod*
03:53 pauln but worth it when you get there;)
03:54 rangi nice to have the innagrual meeting at the first koha library
03:54 rangi we can move it around from then on ;-)
03:54 pauln too true - yep Don suggested up our way next time
03:54 rangi yeah, good idea
03:55 rangi in summer :)
03:55 pauln agreed its no winter wonderland here
03:57 pauln so will i do a Wr for you to turn on the z39?
03:57 rangi sounds good, it will need it help again, to forward a port through the firewall
03:57 rangi IT even
04:00 pauln it is more like it
04:00 rangi heh
04:00 pauln they refuse to look at the config file -s aid it would be easier and faster for you to do it
04:01 rangi ahh
04:01 pauln which is true, but we paying them a lot in overheads
04:02 rangi it should take less than an hour, just need to know what port they want it to listen on (or i can just pick one and they can forward to that)
04:05 pauln wr done. manual says port 9999 or is that  just a space holder?
04:05 rangi yeah, it can be anything
04:05 rangi 9999 works
04:06 pauln 9999 it is
04:06 pauln was looking at our web stats yesterday and a reasonable flow of traffic coming from onl and catalyst sites
04:07 rangi oh interesting
04:07 wahanui hmmm... interesting is good
04:08 pauln 50 visitors in 6 months
04:08 rangi cool
04:08 rangi mostly .nz ?
04:15 pauln think so - still learning google analytics speak
04:22 pauln righto - see ya
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05:06 francharb hello #koha
05:06 cait morning francharb :)
05:06 francharb hi cait
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06:38 kf morning #koha
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06:46 reiveune hello
06:49 julian hi!
06:49 kf hi reiveune and julian
06:50 reiveune hi kf
06:50 sophie_m hello
06:50 wahanui niihau, sophie_m
06:50 kf hi sophie_m
06:51 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf :-)
06:51 kf :)
06:52 sophie_m Gewitter heute in Süd Frankreich
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07:04 kf sophie_m: hier gab es heute Nacht viel Gewitter
07:04 lizardking337 hi
07:04 lizardking337 i have a problem with koha installition
07:05 lizardking337 i use version of 3.4.1
07:05 lizardking337 when i start web installition
07:05 lizardking337 koha wait on step 1
07:06 lizardking337 koha-error log is;
07:06 lizardking337 Use of uninitialized value in string eq
07:06 lizardking337 etc.
07:07 lizardking337 i search it on google but didnt find any solution
07:07 lizardking337 any ideas?
07:09 lizardking337
07:10 lizardking337 i create database as manually with kohastructure.sql
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07:34 kf hm
07:34 kf lizardking337: current stable version is 3.4.2
07:35 kf not sure if there was a problem with the installer for 3.4.1
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07:48 lizardking337 i 'll try 3.4.2 as soon as
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08:25 lizardking337 in 3.4.2 errors still continue
08:25 lizardking337 any idea?
08:28 kf sorry no, never seen that
08:28 kf and until then your installation went smoothly?
08:28 kf all dependencies installed?
08:29 kf and you created the database manually after the errors occured? or before that?
08:29 kf the web installer is supposed to create all tables and install sample files for you
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08:53 lizardking337 when i try without creating database manually
08:53 lizardking337 i tried web install
08:53 kf you have to create the database - but not create any tables
08:53 lizardking337 but it didnt create any table on database
08:53 lizardking337 yes
08:54 kf just an empty database the web installer can acces
08:54 kf s
08:54 kf so which error message did you get?
08:54 kf if it didn't create the tables perhaps your data to access mysql is wrong
08:54 lizardking337 one minute i'll take errors
08:58 lizardking337
08:58 lizardking337 that is error log
09:03 lizardking337 i create database with defaul kohaadmin user
09:03 lizardking337 and password is correct
09:04 kf hm
09:04 kf I think something went wrong there on one step
09:04 kf I think I would start over
09:05 kf running the make process again, checking all my settings are correct, recreating the database
09:05 kf looking out for missing modules
09:06 lizardking337 checked all my setting
09:07 lizardking337 i doubt a missin modules
09:07 lizardking337 where is the all list of perl modules requirenments
09:12 lizardking337 i create a database as "koha"
09:12 lizardking337 add a user as "kohaadmin"
09:12 lizardking337 and add all privileges to kohaadmin for koha database
09:16 lizardking337 but when start web install i get that errors
09:17 kf when you run make it ormally tells you about missingmodules at the end
09:17 kf after answering the questions
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10:33 druthb o/
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12:09 oleonard Hi #koha
12:09 JesseM Mornin oleonard
12:15 oleonard Anyone up to any Koha fun today?
12:16 kf hm?
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12:31 * kf has fun with issuingrules
12:32 talljoy morning kf
12:37 kf hi talljoy :)
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13:24 * oleonard doesn't understand what Bug 6584 is about
13:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6584 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED , Enable searching on Zebra's Bib-level index
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13:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6584] Enable searching on Zebra's Bib-level index <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6584>
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13:55 oleonard Hi LBA. Here to see if any LDAP questions appear? ;)
13:56 slef hi LBA: what do you make of sip3?
13:58 LBA Hi oleonard, that and it reminded me I hadn't checked in on everyone in fah-evah!
13:58 LBA slef, just read the envisionware response....they convinced me to vote no.  If only I could.
13:59 LBA I cannot tell I lie, I didn't read the technical details enough to have an opinion on that part.
13:59 slef LBA: why can't you? And did you have an attachment in that response? Something seemed to have removed it before it got to me. I hope they post it on the jive site.
14:00 * slef looks at that email again
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14:11 gmcharlt slef: if you're looking for a copy of the attachment, I've put it up for you here:[…]entsOnSIP_3_0.pdf
14:12 LBA slef, just posted a vote.  I didn't pay close enough attention.  Just sending an email response registers a vote.
14:12 slef gmcharlt: ta. got it
14:13 gmcharlt slef: I think the bottom half of page four really gets to the core of EnvisionWare's concerns
14:14 gmcharlt although they clearly also think that editorially the current draft is very sloppy
14:14 LBA gmcharlt and slef - did you get my response on the sip3 mailing list?  it bounced.
14:14 gmcharlt LBA: yes, I did
14:14 slef gmcharlt: ok, as the first two pages really just could be sent as a patch to the document.
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14:14 slef LBA: what address bounced? sip3@3m?
14:15 slef gmcharlt: roflmao. That's nice.
14:15 gmcharlt slef: indeed.  talk about burying the lead
14:16 LBA slef - many recipients bounce including
14:16 SJeffery Where are the itemtype icons defined/mapped within 3.4?
14:18 slef SJeffery: aren't they still in Administration: Item types?
14:18 gmcharlt SJeffery: the association of icon to type is set in the same place as in 3.0/3.2 - Administration | Item Types
14:18 kf wizzyrea: patron card creator is fixed too :)
14:18 slef SJeffery: Home › Administration › Item Types › Modify Item Type 'BK' > Choose an icon
14:19 SJeffery Blah, figures. I keep forgetting that the preferences search doesn't actually search all preferences:)
14:20 oleonard It searches all preferences, but not all administrative functions ;)
14:20 slef LBA: have you got Sue B's email address? That might work better
14:24 SJeffery Apparently I was looking at the wrong item type...I am trying to locate where the types are mapped, such as book, which are mapped from the marc record, not the item level data.
14:24 wizzyrea kf: super!
14:24 kf SJeffery: you mean the small icons in result and detail pages?
14:25 SJeffery Yes.
14:25 kf SJeffery: they are created using some of the controlled marc fields and leader
14:25 kf you can turn them off
14:25 kf but not configure them from the interface
14:28 SJeffery It seems as though there is no icon mapped for theses/dissertations and that they map to books instead...
14:29 kf hm yes
14:29 kf not sure I can imagine an icon for those :)
14:30 SJeffery A steaming pile of ...
14:30 SJeffery That is what I came up with after spending the last week looking at them:D
14:30 * wizzyrea whispers "the channel is logged..."
14:31 LBA thanks, slef.  I don't have Sue B that I can tell but there are plenty of email addresses on the recipient list so I assume they got it.
14:33 oleonard SJeffery: theses/dissertations map to "books" because they are "Language material" if I understand it correctly.
14:34 oleonard 06 - Type of record:[…]hic/bdleader.html
14:34 slef LBA: I'll check for your vote when I vote, probably tomorrow or Friday.
14:36 SJeffery oleonard: There must be some other field that also designates it as a thesis/dissertation. has separated them out for as long as I can remember.
14:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6570] Unlabeled box on funds form <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6570>
14:37 oleonard SJeffery: It's a separate designation, but I don't know where it's set.
14:39 kf I think 007 perhaps
14:39 kf or 008
14:39 kf always confuse them
14:39 kf there is also a search option for it on the advanced search page
14:39 kf @marc 008
14:39 huginn kf: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. []
14:40 kf @marc 007
14:40 huginn kf: This field contains special information about the physical characteristics in a coded form. The information may represent the whole item or parts of an item such as accompanying material. (Repeatable) []
14:40 wizzyrea hmm, did we remove the previous borrower thing from the items page?
14:40 wizzyrea did I miss that?
14:40 kf not that I am aware of
14:40 kf perhaps tt?
14:40 wizzyrea well, it's in my production system
14:40 kf or is it perhaps linked to the reading history?
14:40 wizzyrea but not in current master?
14:41 * wizzyrea is bewildered
14:41 kf my koha isntallation here is way out of date
14:41 kf have to spend some time on it later this week
14:41 oleonard wizzyrea: You mean under "History" ?
14:41 wizzyrea no
14:41 kf the items view?
14:41 kf items tab?
14:41 wizzyrea isec
14:41 wizzyrea cap
14:42 wizzyrea production:
14:43 wizzyrea dev:
14:43 wizzyrea is hiding that a preference?
14:43 wizzyrea that I perhaps don't have set?
14:44 oleonard So, on under "History." :P
14:44 * wizzyrea is dumb
14:44 wizzyrea >.<
14:44 wizzyrea yes
14:44 SJeffery Still can't find where it is mapping, perhaps they simply map based on the presence of a 502.
14:44 kf no
14:44 kf I have seen it somewhere, let me check :)
14:45 oleonard wizzyrea: patron anonymization?
14:46 kf SJeffery:
14:46 wizzyrea hmm no it's keeping the history
14:46 kf 008, position 24-27 - Nature of contents (006/07-10) = m
14:46 SJeffery Bingo!
14:47 SJeffery Has anyone ever looked into mapping the item types (item level) to the types at the bib level?
14:47 oleonard wizzyrea: The only thing the template does there is check for 'card0' and 'card1' in the data. It would not display anything if those variables were absent.
14:48 wizzyrea it's not even showing the label for it (and no, it's not JS here, I checked :))
14:49 oleonard The label wouldn't show if 'card0' and 'card1' were not present
14:49 wizzyrea Oooooo
14:49 wizzyrea 1mo
14:49 oleonard (which is perhaps incorrect)
14:49 wizzyrea gonna make sure that it's not the *other* thing I suspect about that
14:50 wizzyrea (that it only shows "previous borrower" that's two back
14:50 wizzyrea )
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14:51 wizzyrea no, it's not that
14:51 wizzyrea so it must be the incoming data
14:51 wizzyrea ok, off to file a bug about that I guess.
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15:35 reiveune bye
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15:41 hristost Greetings!
15:41 hristost anybody in the room have experience with using Koha in an LDAP+Active Directory environment?
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15:47 cma hello!
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15:51 cma I have a question about the overdues circulation report on 3.4--it seems to be ignoring the Sort By option.  No matter what I choose the results look the same.  Has anyone else experienced this?
15:52 oleonard cma: Are you talking about circ/ ?
15:53 cma yep.
15:53 oleonard I see the same thing: I tried to sort the results using the "filter on" form in the sidebar, and it didn't seem to have any effect.
15:53 cma it seems like it's always defaulting to the default search order.  I manually changed that to borrower,due_date, and that resorted.
15:55 cma should i file a bug, then?
15:55 oleonard Yes please
15:56 cma will do.  thanks.  :)
15:56 rhcl_away Anybody using RedBox w/ Koha?   http://www.communitynewspapers[…]oskBig-767868.jpg
15:57 oleonard In what way rhcl_away ?
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15:58 rhcl_away To check out DVD's.   Apparently they can connect to an ILS for library circ
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16:12 * oleonard wasn't aware that library/redbox partnerships involved circulation
16:12 * oleonard thought it was straight rentals
16:13 rhcl I'm working on shakey info here, but apparently 3M makes both the RedBox machines and the "Library Media Box" which is actually pictured in their promo material as green.
16:13 rhcl This is late-breaking info...
16:14 rhcl And now that our ALA delegate has found the info it does indeed indicate that it uses SIP2, which was the intent of my original question.
16:17 rhcl $30,000
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16:28 SirDekar any working website from a library please
16:28 wizzyrea SirDekar: what are you wanting to look at?
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16:37 SirDekar I am trying to use Koha to manage a library at a university
16:39 SirDekar and I want to look some websites with this system to guide myself
16:39 wizzyrea ah you want a library OPAC
16:40 wizzyrea
16:40 wizzyrea that's not a very creative one
16:40 SirDekar yes
16:40 wizzyrea or
16:41 SirDekar thank you so much this is that I was looking for
16:46 slef there's a page of koha users on I think
16:47 slef hristost: lots of people use it with LDAP and AD is just LDAP with fussy settings IIRC (I'm not our MS-certified worker, does it show?)
16:50 davi 14:36 < kf> perhaps tt?
16:51 slef davi: copy-paste error?
17:02 davi hi all
17:02 davi I have took some time to read the logs
17:03 davi I hope to be logged in this channel 24x7 but not too much active
17:03 davi at least by now
17:03 davi Also, I hope to attend next meeting, 2 August
17:04 wizzyrea cool :)
17:04 davi The last ones I attended were being part of slef coop
17:04 davi ack, later
17:07 slef to be clear, davi was a subcontractor of our co-op, not a member.
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17:10 * wizzyrea remembers her rule of thumb on most everything: there's no need to be defensive -- if you're right you don't need a defense and if you're wrong you don't have one. If it's somewhere in between, polite discussion is probably the way to go.
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17:30 talljoy wizzyrea++
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17:54 slef yeah, trouble is that mud sticks if you don't wash it off, as I've learned to my cost.
17:57 hristost Thanks slef, I definitely hear you :-)
17:58 hristost I've followed a lot of guides that are out there and I am sure I am doing something wrong
17:58 hristost part of me wonders if it's been used on a Server 2008 r2 setup, or if that is a factor
18:00 slef hristost: I don't know it well enough to opine. If I were you, I'd make something more verbose (ldap* command line tools) work with it from your koha server first, then try to configure koha to match what works.
18:03 hristost that is something i havent tried yet actually - thanks for the tip!
18:04 hristost right now the opac error log shows nothing relevant, so that is probably my best bet
18:05 hristost i believe i have logging as verbose as it can get
18:07 hristost I am more of a *nix guy so this is mostly a trial and error venture for me
18:15 jcamins_away edamame+cranberries+blue cheese+bacon+anything=awesome
18:15 jcamins_away Just thought I'd share that thought. :)
18:15 sekjal hristost:  sorry, just catching up.  what's the trouble you've got with Koha LDAP against AD?
18:16 wizzyrea hmm
18:16 hristost sekjal thanks
18:16 hristost basically I can't authenticate, and the "koha-opac-error_log" gives me no clues as to what is wrong
18:16 hristost i found this:[…]e-directory-ldap/
18:17 hristost and am following that, going through everything again
18:17 hristost this seems to be the most complete working config that I hav efound
18:17 sekjal what Koha version are you running, specifically?  full version number as found in About Koha, if it'd do ya fine
18:18 hristost sure let me grab that!
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18:19 hristost Koha version:
18:21 sekjal hristost:  so, git install?
18:22 hristost apt-get, via the Debian Squeeze repositories that are set up
18:24 sekjal ah
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18:25 sekjal you may be encountering bug 5094, which is very recently patched
18:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5094 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , auth_by_bind authentication can fail even if given a correct password and userid
18:27 hristost I see
18:29 hristost Thanks for the heads up, I will give this patch a try.
18:30 sekjal hristost:  was that your post to the listserv?
18:31 hristost Yeah :-)
18:31 hristost from 6/28
18:32 sekjal replying to that with what's been said here, so it's recorded in more places.
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18:37 hristost Many thanks, doesn't look like has hit the repos yet
18:39 cait hi #koha
18:39 sekjal dang.  well, it shall soon, I'm sure
18:39 cait 3.05?
18:39 wizzyrea it's the development version for 3.06
18:39 wizzyrea the 0 messes people up sometimes
18:40 hristost yeah
18:40 wizzyrea not 3.0.5
18:40 hristost oh?
18:40 wizzyrea 3.05
18:40 wizzyrea (I was talking to cait)
18:40 cait now I am confused
18:40 sekjal just imaging if we get to versions. 3.10 and 3.12...
18:41 sekjal s/imaging/imagining/;
18:41 cait i still don't get it actually
18:41 wizzyrea 3.05 is the same as 3.5
18:41 hristost okay that explains why dpkg says i have 3.5 installed
18:41 cait yes
18:42 cait ah
18:42 cait not koha?
18:42 SirDekar could be 3.0005.0 and keeps being 3.5
18:42 wizzyrea ^^
18:43 wizzyrea the placeholders are important, but not universally used
18:43 wizzyrea (god help us if we get into the thousands of 3.x releases)
18:45 SirDekar :D
18:47 * sekjal is still looking forward to Koha 4.0
18:59 * wizzyrea too
18:59 cait :)
19:00 hristost sekaj: do you know how picky koha-conf.xml is about case usage?
19:00 hristost e.g. CN= versus cn= and so forth
19:00 sekjal hristost: only in the <mapping> I believe
19:00 sekjal and there's a bug report against that, so it may be fixed by now
19:01 sekjal[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4994
19:01 huginn Bug 4994: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ldap mapping inconsistancy: Net::LDAP returns lowercase names
19:01 sekjal aaaaannnnd, getting it pushed up on me right now
19:01 sekjal :/
19:02 sekjal ~getting it pushed past QA is on me
19:03 hristost I believe I saw this one whilst searching the tubes
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19:28 sekjal 4994 is now pushed past QA
19:51 wizzyrea sekjal++
19:52 wizzyrea nengard: about?
19:53 wizzyrea actually nm
19:55 hristost sekjal: mapping question - are all fields required to be used?
19:55 hristost as in, our AD schema has nothing that seems to relate to say, categorycode so i am not sure what to use there
19:55 hristost as of now it is commented
19:56 sekjal hristost:  mapping is only required if you try to use replicate or update, neither of which work with AD right now
19:56 hristost noted, thanks!
19:57 sekjal once it is fixed, only the fields that are required by the database to be non-NULL will need to be filled in; others will be optional
19:57 sekjal this includes categorycode and branchcode
19:57 sekjal you'll need to specify defaults for those
20:00 hristost this may be a very general question, but if our schema has nothing like "branchcode" can I simply specify something that we actually have?
20:00 sekjal yes, you can specify one of the branchcodes you've defined in Koha as the default
20:04 hristost I've just commented out the whole <mapping> block (also disabled replicate and update) and tried to authenticate and I am back to the Software Error I defined in my first post.
20:04 hristost line 61 of /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ seems to directly call "mapping"
20:05 hristost my perl is no good though
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20:22 library_systems_guy Hi #Koha :)
20:22 cait hi library_systems_guy
20:22 rangi morning
20:23 cait morning rangi
20:23 library_systems_guy morning rangi and cait
20:23 library_systems_guy rangi are you the one testing the hourly loans stuff?
20:23 rangi nope
20:23 library_systems_guy oop
20:24 library_systems_guy s
20:27 library_systems_guy does anybody know if there is a way to disable patron history and still have current checkouts in the circulation history tab
20:28 rangi library_systems_guy: there is a branch that colin has put up for testing, its on the bug, if you wanted to test hourly loans
20:29 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
20:29 library_systems_guy I saw that...i may apply it...we really need something before we launch in august
20:29 library_systems_guy apparently reserves are super important for academic libraries
20:30 rangi or at least they think they are ;-)
20:30 rangi yeah, id be pleased if someone did test that branch
20:32 library_systems_guy heh yeah...apparently there is some beef between academic and public libraries
20:33 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
20:35 library_systems_guy and ill see what i can do to pull it down and get our circ staff testing it :)
20:36 rangi awesome
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20:46 rangi hmm busy day again today i think
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20:50 library_systems_guy oh so it really is the morning for you rangi
20:50 library_systems_guy well i feel retarded assuming all programmers are in the us
20:50 * library_systems_guy blushes
20:51 rangi hehe more arent than are
20:51 rangi we have a pretty decent spread over the world :)
20:52 library_systems_guy I've noticed...i always hop on when the french guys are leaving
20:52 slef rangi: what's the pub by the harbour facing the convention centre, across the roads from it?
20:53 library_systems_guy do you know of a clean way to merge the hourly loans branch to an existing branch?
20:53 rangi the one where you can sit on the grass slef?
20:53 slef yeah
20:53 rangi st johns
20:53 slef ta
20:55 rangi meet ya there for lunch? :)
20:56 * sekjal wishes he could stick around, but it's time for beers with librarians
20:56 sekjal night, #koha
20:56 rangi cya slef
20:57 rangi hmm sekjal
20:57 slef I'm not mentioning that here :)
20:57 rangi i never quite understand how the tab completion decides which it is gonna use
20:57 slef else w'd meet you there for lunch tomoz, way things are going here
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20:57 slef rangi: badly?
20:57 rangi slef: it appears so
20:58 rangi maybe the last one you typed
20:58 slef nah, last one to speak?
20:58 rangi shoulda have been sekjal before then, when i said cya to you by mistake
20:59 slef yeah, rereading... too much kir to read straight :)
21:01 slef bbl
21:01 rangi cya later
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21:02 wizzyrea that whole conversation was practically greek to me.
21:02 wizzyrea this must mean it's almost time to go home.
21:02 wizzyrea :)
21:02 rangi heh
21:09 hristost bye sekjal and thank you!!
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21:28 library_systems_guy hey rangi do you think you could point a git newb in the right direction
21:29 library_systems_guy I want to check out the hourly branch without having to check out a fresh would i check it out to another branch and then merge the two?
21:29 wizzyrea oh oh there's a wiki page for this sec
21:29 library_systems_guy dang it really
21:29 wizzyrea[…]n_a_pushed_branch
21:30 library_systems_guy wizzyrea the maser of all that is wiki
21:30 wizzyrea nah, I just keep the git pages handy ;)
21:30 library_systems_guy haha i need to as well apparently
21:30 wizzyrea sign off on a branch?
21:30 wizzyrea sign off on a branch is at[…]n_a_pushed_branch
21:30 wizzyrea sign off on a branch?
21:30 wahanui somebody said sign off on a branch was at[…]n_a_pushed_branch
21:30 wizzyrea there we go :)
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21:31 wizzyrea hi brooke :)
21:31 Brooke morena :)
21:32 rangi hey Brooke
21:32 Brooke 0/
21:35 Brooke how's everyone doing?
21:35 Brooke and more importantly, has anyone heard from the Indians near Mumbai to see if folks are okay?
21:36 rangi not today
21:38 Brooke harrrumph.
21:38 wizzyrea terrible thing, that
21:38 * Brooke nods.
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21:38 Brooke 0/
21:38 jati Hi koha¡¡
21:38 jati I got a question about hyphens on isbn
21:39 Brooke uh oh
21:39 jati do I have to remove hyphens from isbn, in biblioitems -> marcxml 020$a to index isbn without it, and then I would search with our without them
21:39 * Brooke always manually ridded the records of that scourge.
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21:40 jati or there is a rule into zebra to remove them...
21:40 Brooke I should think that you could clean em with MarcEdit and then import em into Koha
21:40 Brooke or get yerself a script that seeks and destroys em
21:40 jati the question is about biblios in koha, not to import
21:41 jati in my installation, when i save a biblio, it saves the isbn with hyphens
21:41 jati it does not remove them
21:42 rangi we normalize them when searching
21:43 jati I dont know if koha must remove them, before it saves the marcxml, or is zebra who removes those "-"
21:43 jati when searching? zebra indexes the isbn with hiphens, and then you can search without it?
21:43 rangi yes
21:44 jati but my zebra does not do it
21:44 rangi so you cant search on them without?
21:44 jati do I have to add a rule in some file?
21:44 jati no
21:44 rangi what version of koha?
21:44 jati if I search the isbn with hyphen it founds, but without them, not
21:44 jati 3.2
21:44 rangi 3.2.whata?
21:45 jati 3.0.2
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21:45 rangi ahh thats not 3.2  :-) that is very very old
21:45 jati jaja no... :)
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21:46 rangi jun 2009 in fact
21:46 jati so I installed the version of liblime and does the same
21:46 jati the last
21:46 rangi liblime is not koha
21:46 jati and I think the community does to...
21:46 jati yes I know...
21:46 jati I said "the version of liblime"...
21:46 rangi well this is #koha ;-) so no point talking about liblime
21:46 jati ok ok
21:47 wizzyrea so you're running 3.0.2 or 3.2.x
21:47 wizzyrea ?
21:47 jati so, I test koha of biblibre, and does the same
21:47 rangi easiest solution for you then is to enter it without the - then .. then people can search with or without them
21:48 jati 3.02.00
21:48 wizzyrea perfect thanks :)
21:49 jati so, 2 years ago, I installed 3.0 to some libraries, and I dont remember, but I think I could search with and without hyphens
21:49 rangi id just enter them without the - .. thats how a barcode scanner would enter them
21:49 jati and I saw the - in the isbn data in marcxml...
21:49 rangi and if you enter them with the - .. then you can search for both, we normalise on searching
21:49 jati rangi: I think is the better way...
21:50 jati when searching, normalize the query string...
21:50 rangi yup
21:50 rangi 09:42 <@rangi> we normalize them when searching
21:50 rangi :)
21:51 wizzyrea did you mean "enter them without the -" rangi?
21:51 jati so, here I got 23:50,
21:51 rangi sorry without
21:51 jati I think tomorrow will investigate it...
21:52 wizzyrea k thx for clarifying
21:53 Brooke fresh eyes are good eyes :)
21:58 jati definitely, version 3.05, koha-community does the same
21:58 jati it indexes the hyphens of an isbn
21:58 jati and I cant search it without them
21:59 jati I think it could be and system preference to decide if a user wants or not to index hyphens in isbn or issn
21:59 rangi i think its just easier to enter without them
21:59 jati I have to remove it on AddBiblio
22:00 rangi but id accept a patch implementing the syspref is you wanted to send one
22:00 jati yes, of course
22:00 jati tomorrow I'll do it
22:00 jati but on 3.02, with template pro
22:00 jati but to this, template pro or template toolkit does not take care
22:00 rangi 3.2.x is deprecated, so that wont be much use
22:01 rangi so if you base it off master, it can go into 3.4.x and into 3.6.0 when its released
22:02 rangi so you can test it on your 3.2.0 install, then cherry-pick it to a master branch and fix any conflicts and send the patch based on that
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22:06 jati yes, now I have lots of work, because of a installation of koha in 5 libraries
22:06 jati but, I planned to migrated all those changes to koha-community master
22:06 jati I got some of them, but not all
22:06 jati rangi, what is your email? to send you the patch
22:06 jati ok
22:06 jati bye¡¡
22:06 rangi[…]rest_of_the_world
22:07 jati tomorrow I'll put the patch into bugzilla
22:07 rangi[…]Control_Using_Git  <-- the whole page is worth a read
22:07 Brooke it is so simple, even I can do it.
22:07 Brooke takes a few reads
22:07 Brooke but I *could* do it, were my mail programme cooperative.
22:08 rangi[…]nt-patch_Workflow  <-- explains what happens to a patch after it is sent
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22:09 Brooke
22:11 rangi have i shown you the 2cellos playing guns and roses yet?
22:12 Brooke omg no
22:12 Brooke I used to jam with this dude that played bass
22:13 Brooke because viola and base almost always got the crap part
22:13 rangi
22:13 Brooke bass even
22:13 rangi they are darn talented
22:13 Brooke dude carbon fibre!
22:13 Space_Librarian awesome
22:13 Space_Librarian rock the cellos
22:15 Brooke wow they are super far down the neck to get that high
22:15 rangi yeah
22:16 ibeardslee fark
22:16 Brooke clearly they need a groupy to hand em new bows.
22:16 rangi heh
22:17 * Brooke should get the stones to go busk with the saxophonist or the wee harpist.
22:17 rangi[…]s&feature=related  <-- how it started
22:17 Brooke Ellen is the bomb.
22:18 slef You set us up the Ellen.
22:18 Space_Librarian almost tangent:
22:19 rangi heh yeah
22:19 Space_Librarian its a good arrangement.
22:19 rhcl a bit surprised she would have them on her show.
22:19 * ibeardslee has the musical talent of a peanut butter sandwich
22:20 Brooke aedunno, could use some Maorification ;)
22:21 Brooke k dinnah prep time
22:21 Brooke might make a repeat appearance after fencing
22:21 rangi   <-- maorification
22:22 Brooke that's it!
22:22 Brooke that's the thing that Emma was listening to!
22:22 * Brooke hugs rangi for iding the band that's been in her head for the last damn 9 months.
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22:22 Brooke ello Irma and bye bye
22:22 rhcl is now known as rhcl_away
22:23 rangi i have the cd Brooke
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22:23 rangi i have all 4 of theirs actually
22:23 Brooke saweet
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22:48 jenkins_koha Starting build 321 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6577 - columns misaligned on serials search results <[…]cbe2157673d44c0ec> / Bug 4994 - Net::LDAP returns lowercase names <[…]333a492effcf075eb>
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23:17 rangi hi BobB
23:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #321: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/321/
23:31 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 4994 - Net::LDAP returns lowercase names
23:31 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6577 - columns misaligned on serials search results
23:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4994 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ldap mapping inconsistancy: Net::LDAP returns lowercase names
23:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6577 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Columns misaligned on serials search results
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23:41 phlunk3 Hi guys, I have just taken over a system which is running koha 3.0 and have no experience with koha at all, can anyone point me to instructions which will help me when I want to upgrade the system to the latest release?
23:41 phlunk3 is now known as Phlunk3
23:43 rangi what version of 3.0 ?
23:44 rangi the tarballs contain upgrade instructions, but heres a quick link
23:44 Phlunk3
23:44 rangi on what distro?
23:44 Phlunk3 good question, still haven't been able to log into the box ;) but I believe debian.
23:45 rangi[…]57673d44c0ec#l320
23:45 rangi (that file will be in all the tarballs, but you can look in git for a sneak peek)
23:46 Phlunk3 can I always update to newest, or do I need to do incremental updates over each version released?
23:56 rangi you can go from 3.0.x to any 3.2.x or 3.4.x
23:57 rangi as long as you follow the upgrade instructions
23:57 hristost make a backup first :-)

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