Time Nick Message 00:25 Brooke see ya 00:45 jcamins_away @later tell larryb If you're still having trouble with packages, it looks like running apt-get update and deleting your kohabuild directory may solve the problems. 00:45 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 00:49 jcamins_away @later tell larryb Also, sudo pbuilder update. 00:49 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 01:56 glernil good day! 01:57 glernil my mail server is always sending me a message with the following content 01:57 glernil Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 6. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild 01:57 glernil what should I do? 01:58 glernil Is this a major problem? 01:58 jcamins_away glernil: you'll need to set PERL5LIB correctly. 01:59 glernil how should i do that? 01:59 jcamins_away Read the documentation. 01:59 jcamins_away INSTALL.debian. 01:59 jcamins_away (in the tar.gz file. 02:00 jcamins_away I am on a saturated connection. Sorry about the terseness. 02:00 glernil ok i'll check it then 02:29 jcamins_away Isn't there a way to have the packages use a pre-populated database? 03:00 eythian jcamins_away: yes, there is 03:01 jcamins_away eythian! How are you? 03:02 eythian Not too bad. A bit sleepy :) 03:02 jcamins_away Isn't it mid-day or so? 03:02 eythian 3pm 03:02 jcamins_away Ah, time for a post-prandial snooze. 03:03 eythian also still feeling the flight home a little bit. 03:05 jcamins_away How would I use a pre-existing database? 03:06 jcamins_away The database is called koha_${NAME}, because I liked that idea from the Debian packages. 03:06 eythian are you running the packages? Because if you are, you can do koha-dump-defaults 03:06 jcamins_away No, I had a git install from way back. 03:07 eythian ah OK. In that case, have a look at what koha-dump-defaults does, and do that by hand :) 03:07 eythian it's pretty much just mysqldump with a few other bits. 03:08 jcamins_away Okay, that looks pretty straightforward. 03:09 jcamins_away I guess it's unfortunate that I called my database koha_${NAME}. 03:09 eythian it shouldn't matter really 03:09 jcamins_away I'll have to reload it into a different database so that I have a backup in case something goes wrong. 03:10 eythian just make an sql dump and put that somewhere safe 03:14 * eythian makes summoning motions 03:15 * eythian stops waving his arms 03:15 eythian wahanui: welcome back 03:15 wahanui eythian: huh? 03:16 jcamins_away Hooray! 03:16 jcamins_away eythian++ 03:28 jcamins_away ]]]]]]] 03:28 jcamins_away Myshkin says "hi, eythian and wahanui! We missed you!" 03:31 jcamins_away wahanui: Myshkin? 03:31 wahanui i heard Myshkin was more than articulate enough without me performing his interior monologue. 03:31 jcamins_away :D 03:41 eythian http://grooveshark.com/album/The+Indifference+Engine/5225045 <-- music for you all. Can't remember if I've posted this here before. If I have, you should listen to it again. 03:45 rangi hi pauln 03:46 pauln Hi Chris 03:46 pauln Do you know if im on the right track with the z39 thing for fed searching? 03:47 pauln or oaipmh like lori suggested? 03:47 rangi yep i reckon so 03:47 rangi it depends what you are going to search it from 03:48 pauln from waihi college catalogue 03:49 rangi smart new things, can do sru/sw or ils-di (oai-pmh isnt for searching, but harvesting, a bit different) 03:49 rangi old things can talk z3950 03:49 rangi i suspect whatever they are running would be more happy with Z3950 03:50 pauln yep they're on access it i think 03:50 pauln and use z39 for cataloguing 03:50 rangi assuming access it can do federated searching, then that oughta work just fine :) 03:50 rangi oh hey 03:50 wahanui hello, rangi 03:50 rangi are you coming to the user group meeting? 03:51 pauln yep, 3 of us 03:51 rangi sweet 03:52 rangi stdc are, and rangitikei and waitaki 03:52 rangi so a good number of public librarians 03:52 rangi plus opus, plant and food and a few others .. should be a good day 03:53 pauln sounds good - levin is a bit of a pain to get to but 03:53 rangi *nod* 03:53 pauln but worth it when you get there;) 03:54 rangi nice to have the innagrual meeting at the first koha library 03:54 rangi we can move it around from then on ;-) 03:54 pauln too true - yep Don suggested up our way next time 03:54 rangi yeah, good idea 03:55 rangi in summer :) 03:55 pauln agreed its no winter wonderland here 03:57 pauln so will i do a Wr for you to turn on the z39? 03:57 rangi sounds good, it will need it help again, to forward a port through the firewall 03:57 rangi IT even 04:00 pauln it is more like it 04:00 rangi heh 04:00 pauln they refuse to look at the config file -s aid it would be easier and faster for you to do it 04:01 rangi ahh 04:01 pauln which is true, but we paying them a lot in overheads 04:02 rangi it should take less than an hour, just need to know what port they want it to listen on (or i can just pick one and they can forward to that) 04:05 pauln wr done. manual says port 9999 or is that just a space holder? 04:05 rangi yeah, it can be anything 04:05 rangi 9999 works 04:06 pauln 9999 it is 04:06 pauln was looking at our web stats yesterday and a reasonable flow of traffic coming from onl and catalyst sites 04:07 rangi oh interesting 04:07 wahanui hmmm... interesting is good 04:08 pauln 50 visitors in 6 months 04:08 rangi cool 04:08 rangi mostly .nz ? 04:15 pauln think so - still learning google analytics speak 04:22 pauln righto - see ya 05:06 francharb hello #koha 05:06 cait morning francharb :) 05:06 francharb hi cait 06:38 kf morning #koha 06:46 reiveune hello 06:49 julian hi! 06:49 kf hi reiveune and julian 06:50 reiveune hi kf 06:50 sophie_m hello 06:50 wahanui niihau, sophie_m 06:50 kf hi sophie_m 06:51 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf :-) 06:51 kf :) 06:52 sophie_m Gewitter heute in Süd Frankreich 07:04 kf sophie_m: hier gab es heute Nacht viel Gewitter 07:04 lizardking337 hi 07:04 lizardking337 i have a problem with koha installition 07:05 lizardking337 i use version of 3.4.1 07:05 lizardking337 when i start web installition 07:05 lizardking337 koha wait on step 1 07:06 lizardking337 koha-error log is; 07:06 lizardking337 Use of uninitialized value in string eq 07:06 lizardking337 etc. 07:07 lizardking337 i search it on google but didnt find any solution 07:07 lizardking337 any ideas? 07:09 lizardking337 http://paste.koha-community.org/92 07:10 lizardking337 i create database as manually with kohastructure.sql 07:34 kf hm 07:34 kf lizardking337: current stable version is 3.4.2 07:35 kf not sure if there was a problem with the installer for 3.4.1 07:48 lizardking337 i 'll try 3.4.2 as soon as 08:25 lizardking337 in 3.4.2 errors still continue 08:25 lizardking337 any idea? 08:28 kf sorry no, never seen that 08:28 kf and until then your installation went smoothly? 08:28 kf all dependencies installed? 08:29 kf and you created the database manually after the errors occured? or before that? 08:29 kf the web installer is supposed to create all tables and install sample files for you 08:53 lizardking337 when i try without creating database manually 08:53 lizardking337 i tried web install 08:53 kf you have to create the database - but not create any tables 08:53 lizardking337 but it didnt create any table on database 08:53 lizardking337 yes 08:54 kf just an empty database the web installer can acces 08:54 kf s 08:54 kf so which error message did you get? 08:54 kf if it didn't create the tables perhaps your data to access mysql is wrong 08:54 lizardking337 one minute i'll take errors 08:58 lizardking337 http://paste.koha-community.org/93 08:58 lizardking337 that is error log 09:03 lizardking337 i create database with defaul kohaadmin user 09:03 lizardking337 and password is correct 09:04 kf hm 09:04 kf I think something went wrong there on one step 09:04 kf I think I would start over 09:05 kf running the make process again, checking all my settings are correct, recreating the database 09:05 kf looking out for missing modules 09:06 lizardking337 checked all my setting 09:07 lizardking337 i doubt a missin modules 09:07 lizardking337 where is the all list of perl modules requirenments 09:12 lizardking337 i create a database as "koha" 09:12 lizardking337 add a user as "kohaadmin" 09:12 lizardking337 and add all privileges to kohaadmin for koha database 09:16 lizardking337 but when start web install i get that errors 09:17 kf when you run make it ormally tells you about missingmodules at the end 09:17 kf after answering the questions 10:33 druthb o/ 12:09 oleonard Hi #koha 12:09 JesseM Mornin oleonard 12:15 oleonard Anyone up to any Koha fun today? 12:16 kf hm? 12:31 * kf has fun with issuingrules 12:32 talljoy morning kf 12:37 kf hi talljoy :) 13:24 * oleonard doesn't understand what Bug 6584 is about 13:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Enable searching on Zebra's Bib-level index 13:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6584] Enable searching on Zebra's Bib-level index <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6584> 13:55 oleonard Hi LBA. Here to see if any LDAP questions appear? ;) 13:56 slef hi LBA: what do you make of sip3? 13:58 LBA Hi oleonard, that and it reminded me I hadn't checked in on everyone in fah-evah! 13:58 LBA slef, just read the envisionware response....they convinced me to vote no. If only I could. 13:59 LBA I cannot tell I lie, I didn't read the technical details enough to have an opinion on that part. 13:59 slef LBA: why can't you? And did you have an attachment in that response? Something seemed to have removed it before it got to me. I hope they post it on the jive site. 14:00 * slef looks at that email again 14:11 gmcharlt slef: if you're looking for a copy of the attachment, I've put it up for you here: http://nox.esilibrary.com/~gmc/EnvisionWareVoteAndCommentsOnSIP_3_0.pdf 14:12 LBA slef, just posted a vote. I didn't pay close enough attention. Just sending an email response registers a vote. 14:12 slef gmcharlt: ta. got it 14:13 gmcharlt slef: I think the bottom half of page four really gets to the core of EnvisionWare's concerns 14:14 gmcharlt although they clearly also think that editorially the current draft is very sloppy 14:14 LBA gmcharlt and slef - did you get my response on the sip3 mailing list? it bounced. 14:14 gmcharlt LBA: yes, I did 14:14 slef gmcharlt: ok, as the first two pages really just could be sent as a patch to the document. 14:14 slef LBA: what address bounced? sip3@3m? 14:15 slef gmcharlt: roflmao. That's nice. 14:15 gmcharlt slef: indeed. talk about burying the lead 14:16 LBA slef - many recipients bounce including sip3@mmm.com 14:16 SJeffery Where are the itemtype icons defined/mapped within 3.4? 14:18 slef SJeffery: aren't they still in Administration: Item types? 14:18 gmcharlt SJeffery: the association of icon to type is set in the same place as in 3.0/3.2 - Administration | Item Types 14:18 kf wizzyrea: patron card creator is fixed too :) 14:18 slef SJeffery: Home › Administration › Item Types › Modify Item Type 'BK' > Choose an icon 14:19 SJeffery Blah, figures. I keep forgetting that the preferences search doesn't actually search all preferences:) 14:20 oleonard It searches all preferences, but not all administrative functions ;) 14:20 slef LBA: have you got Sue B's email address? That might work better 14:24 SJeffery Apparently I was looking at the wrong item type...I am trying to locate where the types are mapped, such as book, which are mapped from the marc record, not the item level data. 14:24 wizzyrea kf: super! 14:24 kf SJeffery: you mean the small icons in result and detail pages? 14:25 SJeffery Yes. 14:25 kf SJeffery: they are created using some of the controlled marc fields and leader 14:25 kf you can turn them off 14:25 kf but not configure them from the interface 14:28 SJeffery It seems as though there is no icon mapped for theses/dissertations and that they map to books instead... 14:29 kf hm yes 14:29 kf not sure I can imagine an icon for those :) 14:30 SJeffery A steaming pile of ... 14:30 SJeffery That is what I came up with after spending the last week looking at them:D 14:30 * wizzyrea whispers "the channel is logged..." 14:31 LBA thanks, slef. I don't have Sue B that I can tell but there are plenty of mmm.com email addresses on the recipient list so I assume they got it. 14:33 oleonard SJeffery: theses/dissertations map to "books" because they are "Language material" if I understand it correctly. 14:34 oleonard 06 - Type of record: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html 14:34 slef LBA: I'll check for your vote when I vote, probably tomorrow or Friday. 14:36 SJeffery oleonard: There must be some other field that also designates it as a thesis/dissertation. Worldcat.org has separated them out for as long as I can remember. 14:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6570] Unlabeled box on funds form <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6570> 14:37 oleonard SJeffery: It's a separate designation, but I don't know where it's set. 14:39 kf I think 007 perhaps 14:39 kf or 008 14:39 kf always confuse them 14:39 kf there is also a search option for it on the advanced search page 14:39 kf @marc 008 14:39 huginn kf: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. [] 14:40 kf @marc 007 14:40 huginn kf: This field contains special information about the physical characteristics in a coded form. The information may represent the whole item or parts of an item such as accompanying material. (Repeatable) [] 14:40 wizzyrea hmm, did we remove the previous borrower thing from the items page? 14:40 wizzyrea did I miss that? 14:40 kf not that I am aware of 14:40 kf perhaps tt? 14:40 wizzyrea well, it's in my production system 14:40 kf or is it perhaps linked to the reading history? 14:40 wizzyrea but not in current master? 14:41 * wizzyrea is bewildered 14:41 kf my koha isntallation here is way out of date 14:41 kf have to spend some time on it later this week 14:41 oleonard wizzyrea: You mean moredetail.pl under "History" ? 14:41 wizzyrea no 14:41 kf the items view? 14:41 kf items tab? 14:41 wizzyrea isec 14:41 wizzyrea cap 14:42 wizzyrea production: http://screencast.com/t/srCU322onBn 14:43 wizzyrea dev: http://screencast.com/t/yiZgLdoVZm 14:43 wizzyrea is hiding that a preference? 14:43 wizzyrea that I perhaps don't have set? 14:44 oleonard So, on moredetail.pl under "History." :P 14:44 * wizzyrea is dumb 14:44 wizzyrea >.< 14:44 wizzyrea yes 14:44 SJeffery Still can't find where it is mapping, perhaps they simply map based on the presence of a 502. 14:44 kf no 14:44 kf I have seen it somewhere, let me check :) 14:45 oleonard wizzyrea: patron anonymization? 14:46 kf SJeffery: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008b.html 14:46 wizzyrea hmm no it's keeping the history 14:46 kf 008, position 24-27 - Nature of contents (006/07-10) = m 14:46 SJeffery Bingo! 14:47 SJeffery Has anyone ever looked into mapping the item types (item level) to the types at the bib level? 14:47 oleonard wizzyrea: The only thing the template does there is check for 'card0' and 'card1' in the data. It would not display anything if those variables were absent. 14:48 wizzyrea it's not even showing the label for it (and no, it's not JS here, I checked :)) 14:49 oleonard The label wouldn't show if 'card0' and 'card1' were not present 14:49 wizzyrea Oooooo 14:49 wizzyrea 1mo 14:49 oleonard (which is perhaps incorrect) 14:49 wizzyrea gonna make sure that it's not the *other* thing I suspect about that 14:50 wizzyrea (that it only shows "previous borrower" that's two back 14:50 wizzyrea ) 14:51 wizzyrea no, it's not that 14:51 wizzyrea so it must be the incoming data 14:51 wizzyrea ok, off to file a bug about that I guess. 15:35 reiveune bye 15:41 hristost Greetings! 15:41 hristost anybody in the room have experience with using Koha in an LDAP+Active Directory environment? 15:47 cma hello! 15:51 cma I have a question about the overdues circulation report on 3.4--it seems to be ignoring the Sort By option. No matter what I choose the results look the same. Has anyone else experienced this? 15:52 oleonard cma: Are you talking about circ/overdue.pl ? 15:53 cma yep. 15:53 oleonard I see the same thing: I tried to sort the results using the "filter on" form in the sidebar, and it didn't seem to have any effect. 15:53 cma it seems like it's always defaulting to the default search order. I manually changed that to borrower,due_date, and that resorted. 15:55 cma should i file a bug, then? 15:55 oleonard Yes please 15:56 cma will do. thanks. :) 15:56 rhcl_away Anybody using RedBox w/ Koha? http://www.communitynewspapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/KioskBig-767868.jpg 15:57 oleonard In what way rhcl_away ? 15:58 rhcl_away To check out DVD's. Apparently they can connect to an ILS for library circ 16:12 * oleonard wasn't aware that library/redbox partnerships involved circulation 16:12 * oleonard thought it was straight rentals 16:13 rhcl I'm working on shakey info here, but apparently 3M makes both the RedBox machines and the "Library Media Box" which is actually pictured in their promo material as green. 16:13 rhcl This is late-breaking info... 16:14 rhcl And now that our ALA delegate has found the info it does indeed indicate that it uses SIP2, which was the intent of my original question. 16:17 rhcl $30,000 16:20 rhcl [off] http://www.pikinc.net/ (website sucks) 16:28 SirDekar any working website from a library please 16:28 wizzyrea SirDekar: what are you wanting to look at? 16:37 SirDekar I am trying to use Koha to manage a library at a university 16:39 SirDekar and I want to look some websites with this system to guide myself 16:39 wizzyrea ah you want a library OPAC 16:40 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org 16:40 wizzyrea that's not a very creative one 16:40 SirDekar yes 16:40 wizzyrea or http://library.org.nz 16:41 SirDekar thank you so much this is that I was looking for 16:46 slef there's a page of koha users on http://wiki.koha-community.org I think 16:47 slef hristost: lots of people use it with LDAP and AD is just LDAP with fussy settings IIRC (I'm not our MS-certified worker, does it show?) 16:50 davi 14:36 < kf> perhaps tt? 16:51 slef davi: copy-paste error? 17:02 davi hi all 17:02 davi I have took some time to read the logs 17:03 davi I hope to be logged in this channel 24x7 but not too much active 17:03 davi at least by now 17:03 davi Also, I hope to attend next meeting, 2 August 17:04 wizzyrea cool :) 17:04 davi The last ones I attended were being part of slef coop 17:04 davi ack, later 17:07 slef to be clear, davi was a subcontractor of our co-op, not a member. 17:10 * wizzyrea remembers her rule of thumb on most everything: there's no need to be defensive -- if you're right you don't need a defense and if you're wrong you don't have one. If it's somewhere in between, polite discussion is probably the way to go. 17:30 talljoy wizzyrea++ 17:54 slef yeah, trouble is that mud sticks if you don't wash it off, as I've learned to my cost. 17:57 hristost Thanks slef, I definitely hear you :-) 17:58 hristost I've followed a lot of guides that are out there and I am sure I am doing something wrong 17:58 hristost part of me wonders if it's been used on a Server 2008 r2 setup, or if that is a factor 18:00 slef hristost: I don't know it well enough to opine. If I were you, I'd make something more verbose (ldap* command line tools) work with it from your koha server first, then try to configure koha to match what works. 18:03 hristost that is something i havent tried yet actually - thanks for the tip! 18:04 hristost right now the opac error log shows nothing relevant, so that is probably my best bet 18:05 hristost i believe i have logging as verbose as it can get 18:07 hristost I am more of a *nix guy so this is mostly a trial and error venture for me 18:15 jcamins_away edamame+cranberries+blue cheese+bacon+anything=awesome 18:15 jcamins_away Just thought I'd share that thought. :) 18:15 sekjal hristost: sorry, just catching up. what's the trouble you've got with Koha LDAP against AD? 18:16 wizzyrea hmm 18:16 hristost sekjal thanks 18:16 hristost basically I can't authenticate, and the "koha-opac-error_log" gives me no clues as to what is wrong 18:16 hristost i found this: http://kohablog.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/using-active-directory-ldap/ 18:17 hristost and am following that, going through everything again 18:17 hristost this seems to be the most complete working config that I hav efound 18:17 sekjal what Koha version are you running, specifically? full version number as found in About Koha, if it'd do ya fine 18:18 hristost sure let me grab that! 18:19 hristost Koha version: 3.05.00.001 18:21 sekjal hristost: so, git install? 18:22 hristost apt-get, via the Debian Squeeze repositories that are set up 18:24 sekjal ah 18:25 sekjal you may be encountering bug 5094, which is very recently patched 18:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5094 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , auth_by_bind authentication can fail even if given a correct password and userid 18:27 hristost I see 18:29 hristost Thanks for the heads up, I will give this patch a try. 18:30 sekjal hristost: was that your post to the listserv? 18:31 hristost Yeah :-) 18:31 hristost from 6/28 18:32 sekjal replying to that with what's been said here, so it's recorded in more places. 18:37 hristost Many thanks, doesn't look like 3.05.00.003 has hit the repos yet 18:39 cait hi #koha 18:39 sekjal dang. well, it shall soon, I'm sure 18:39 cait 3.05? 18:39 wizzyrea it's the development version for 3.06 18:39 wizzyrea the 0 messes people up sometimes 18:40 hristost yeah 3.05.00.003 18:40 wizzyrea not 3.0.5 18:40 hristost oh? 18:40 wizzyrea 3.05 18:40 wizzyrea (I was talking to cait) 18:40 cait now I am confused 18:40 sekjal just imaging if we get to versions. 3.10 and 3.12... 18:41 sekjal s/imaging/imagining/; 18:41 cait i still don't get it actually 18:41 wizzyrea 3.05 is the same as 3.5 18:41 hristost okay that explains why dpkg says i have 3.5 installed 18:41 cait yes 18:42 cait ah 18:42 cait not koha? 18:42 SirDekar could be 3.0005.0 and keeps being 3.5 18:42 wizzyrea ^^ 18:43 wizzyrea the placeholders are important, but not universally used 18:43 wizzyrea (god help us if we get into the thousands of 3.x releases) 18:45 SirDekar :D 18:47 * sekjal is still looking forward to Koha 4.0 18:59 * wizzyrea too 18:59 cait :) 19:00 hristost sekaj: do you know how picky koha-conf.xml is about case usage? 19:00 hristost e.g. CN= versus cn= and so forth 19:00 sekjal hristost: only in the <mapping> I believe 19:00 sekjal and there's a bug report against that, so it may be fixed by now 19:01 sekjal http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4994 19:01 huginn 04Bug 4994: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ldap mapping inconsistancy: Net::LDAP returns lowercase names 19:01 sekjal aaaaannnnd, getting it pushed up on me right now 19:01 sekjal :/ 19:02 sekjal ~getting it pushed past QA is on me 19:03 hristost I believe I saw this one whilst searching the tubes 19:28 sekjal 4994 is now pushed past QA 19:51 wizzyrea sekjal++ 19:52 wizzyrea nengard: about? 19:53 wizzyrea actually nm 19:55 hristost sekjal: mapping question - are all fields required to be used? 19:55 hristost as in, our AD schema has nothing that seems to relate to say, categorycode so i am not sure what to use there 19:55 hristost as of now it is commented 19:56 sekjal hristost: mapping is only required if you try to use replicate or update, neither of which work with AD right now 19:56 hristost noted, thanks! 19:57 sekjal once it is fixed, only the fields that are required by the database to be non-NULL will need to be filled in; others will be optional 19:57 sekjal this includes categorycode and branchcode 19:57 sekjal you'll need to specify defaults for those 20:00 hristost this may be a very general question, but if our schema has nothing like "branchcode" can I simply specify something that we actually have? 20:00 sekjal yes, you can specify one of the branchcodes you've defined in Koha as the default 20:04 hristost I've just commented out the whole <mapping> block (also disabled replicate and update) and tried to authenticate and I am back to the Software Error I defined in my first post. 20:04 hristost line 61 of /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm seems to directly call "mapping" 20:05 hristost my perl is no good though 20:22 library_systems_guy Hi #Koha :) 20:22 cait hi library_systems_guy 20:22 rangi morning 20:23 cait morning rangi 20:23 library_systems_guy morning rangi and cait 20:23 library_systems_guy rangi are you the one testing the hourly loans stuff? 20:23 rangi nope 20:23 library_systems_guy oop 20:24 library_systems_guy s 20:27 library_systems_guy does anybody know if there is a way to disable patron history and still have current checkouts in the circulation history tab 20:28 rangi library_systems_guy: there is a branch that colin has put up for testing, its on the bug, if you wanted to test hourly loans 20:29 library_systems_guy I saw that...i may apply it...we really need something before we launch in august 20:29 library_systems_guy apparently reserves are super important for academic libraries 20:30 rangi or at least they think they are ;-) 20:30 rangi yeah, id be pleased if someone did test that branch 20:32 library_systems_guy heh yeah...apparently there is some beef between academic and public libraries 20:35 library_systems_guy and ill see what i can do to pull it down and get our circ staff testing it :) 20:36 rangi awesome 20:46 rangi hmm busy day again today i think 20:50 library_systems_guy oh so it really is the morning for you rangi 20:50 library_systems_guy well i feel retarded assuming all programmers are in the us 20:50 * library_systems_guy blushes 20:51 rangi hehe more arent than are 20:51 rangi we have a pretty decent spread over the world :) 20:52 library_systems_guy I've noticed...i always hop on when the french guys are leaving 20:52 slef rangi: what's the pub by the harbour facing the convention centre, across the roads from it? 20:53 library_systems_guy do you know of a clean way to merge the hourly loans branch to an existing branch? 20:53 rangi the one where you can sit on the grass slef? 20:53 slef yeah 20:53 rangi st johns 20:53 slef ta 20:55 rangi meet ya there for lunch? :) 20:56 * sekjal wishes he could stick around, but it's time for beers with librarians 20:56 sekjal night, #koha 20:56 rangi cya slef 20:57 rangi hmm sekjal 20:57 slef I'm not mentioning that here :) 20:57 rangi i never quite understand how the tab completion decides which it is gonna use 20:57 slef else w'd meet you there for lunch tomoz, way things are going here 20:57 slef rangi: badly? 20:57 rangi slef: it appears so 20:58 rangi maybe the last one you typed 20:58 slef nah, last one to speak? 20:58 rangi shoulda have been sekjal before then, when i said cya to you by mistake 20:59 slef yeah, rereading... too much kir to read straight :) 21:01 slef bbl 21:01 rangi cya later 21:02 wizzyrea that whole conversation was practically greek to me. 21:02 wizzyrea this must mean it's almost time to go home. 21:02 wizzyrea :) 21:02 rangi heh 21:09 hristost bye sekjal and thank you!! 21:28 library_systems_guy hey rangi do you think you could point a git newb in the right direction 21:29 library_systems_guy I want to check out the hourly branch without having to check out a fresh copy...so would i check it out to another branch and then merge the two? 21:29 wizzyrea oh oh there's a wiki page for this sec 21:29 library_systems_guy dang it really 21:29 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_a_pushed_branch 21:30 library_systems_guy wizzyrea the maser of all that is wiki 21:30 wizzyrea nah, I just keep the git pages handy ;) 21:30 library_systems_guy haha i need to as well apparently 21:30 wizzyrea sign off on a branch? 21:30 wizzyrea sign off on a branch is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_a_pushed_branch 21:30 wizzyrea sign off on a branch? 21:30 wahanui somebody said sign off on a branch was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_a_pushed_branch 21:30 wizzyrea there we go :) 21:31 wizzyrea hi brooke :) 21:31 Brooke morena :) 21:32 rangi hey Brooke 21:32 Brooke 0/ 21:35 Brooke how's everyone doing? 21:35 Brooke and more importantly, has anyone heard from the Indians near Mumbai to see if folks are okay? 21:36 rangi not today 21:38 Brooke harrrumph. 21:38 wizzyrea terrible thing, that 21:38 * Brooke nods. 21:38 Brooke 0/ 21:38 jati Hi koha¡¡ 21:38 jati I got a question about hyphens on isbn 21:39 Brooke uh oh 21:39 jati do I have to remove hyphens from isbn, in biblioitems -> marcxml 020$a to index isbn without it, and then I would search with our without them 21:39 * Brooke always manually ridded the records of that scourge. 21:40 jati or there is a rule into zebra to remove them... 21:40 Brooke I should think that you could clean em with MarcEdit and then import em into Koha 21:40 Brooke or get yerself a script that seeks and destroys em 21:40 jati the question is about biblios in koha, not to import 21:41 jati in my installation, when i save a biblio, it saves the isbn with hyphens 21:41 jati it does not remove them 21:42 rangi we normalize them when searching 21:43 jati I dont know if koha must remove them, before it saves the marcxml, or is zebra who removes those "-" 21:43 jati when searching? zebra indexes the isbn with hiphens, and then you can search without it? 21:43 rangi yes 21:44 jati but my zebra does not do it 21:44 rangi so you cant search on them without? 21:44 jati do I have to add a rule in some file? 21:44 jati no 21:44 rangi what version of koha? 21:44 jati if I search the isbn with hyphen it founds, but without them, not 21:44 jati 3.2 21:44 rangi 3.2.whata? 21:45 jati 3.0.2 21:45 rangi ahh thats not 3.2 :-) that is very very old 21:45 jati jaja no... :) 21:46 rangi jun 2009 in fact 21:46 jati so I installed the version of liblime and does the same 21:46 jati the last 21:46 rangi liblime is not koha 21:46 jati and I think the community does to... 21:46 jati yes I know... 21:46 jati I said "the version of liblime"... 21:46 rangi well this is #koha ;-) so no point talking about liblime 21:46 jati ok ok 21:47 wizzyrea so you're running 3.0.2 or 3.2.x 21:47 wizzyrea ? 21:47 jati so, I test koha of biblibre, and does the same 21:47 rangi easiest solution for you then is to enter it without the - then .. then people can search with or without them 21:48 jati 3.02.00 21:48 wizzyrea perfect thanks :) 21:49 jati so, 2 years ago, I installed 3.0 to some libraries, and I dont remember, but I think I could search with and without hyphens 21:49 rangi id just enter them without the - .. thats how a barcode scanner would enter them 21:49 jati and I saw the - in the isbn data in marcxml... 21:49 rangi and if you enter them with the - .. then you can search for both, we normalise on searching 21:49 jati rangi: I think is the better way... 21:50 jati when searching, normalize the query string... 21:50 rangi yup 21:50 rangi 09:42 <@rangi> we normalize them when searching 21:50 rangi :) 21:51 wizzyrea did you mean "enter them without the -" rangi? 21:51 jati so, here I got 23:50, 21:51 rangi sorry without 21:51 jati I think tomorrow will investigate it... 21:52 wizzyrea k thx for clarifying 21:53 Brooke fresh eyes are good eyes :) 21:58 jati definitely, version 3.05, koha-community does the same 21:58 jati it indexes the hyphens of an isbn 21:58 jati and I cant search it without them 21:59 jati I think it could be and system preference to decide if a user wants or not to index hyphens in isbn or issn 21:59 rangi i think its just easier to enter without them 21:59 jati I have to remove it on AddBiblio 22:00 rangi but id accept a patch implementing the syspref is you wanted to send one 22:00 jati yes, of course 22:00 jati tomorrow I'll do it 22:00 jati but on 3.02, with template pro 22:00 jati but to this, template pro or template toolkit does not take care 22:00 rangi 3.2.x is deprecated, so that wont be much use 22:01 rangi so if you base it off master, it can go into 3.4.x and into 3.6.0 when its released 22:02 rangi so you can test it on your 3.2.0 install, then cherry-pick it to a master branch and fix any conflicts and send the patch based on that 22:06 jati yes, now I have lots of work, because of a installation of koha in 5 libraries 22:06 jati but, I planned to migrated all those changes to koha-community master 22:06 jati I got some of them, but not all 22:06 jati rangi, what is your email? to send you the patch 22:06 jati ok 22:06 jati bye¡¡ 22:06 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Share_with_the_rest_of_the_world 22:07 jati tomorrow I'll put the patch into bugzilla 22:07 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git <-- the whole page is worth a read 22:07 Brooke it is so simple, even I can do it. 22:07 Brooke takes a few reads 22:07 Brooke but I *could* do it, were my mail programme cooperative. 22:08 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow <-- explains what happens to a patch after it is sent 22:09 Brooke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-eYBZFEzf8 22:11 rangi have i shown you the 2cellos playing guns and roses yet? 22:12 Brooke omg no 22:12 Brooke I used to jam with this dude that played bass 22:13 Brooke because viola and base almost always got the crap part 22:13 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AYEgwwCYWw 22:13 Brooke bass even 22:13 rangi they are darn talented 22:13 Brooke dude carbon fibre! 22:13 Space_Librarian awesome 22:13 Space_Librarian rock the cellos 22:15 Brooke wow they are super far down the neck to get that high 22:15 rangi yeah 22:16 ibeardslee fark 22:16 Brooke clearly they need a groupy to hand em new bows. 22:16 rangi heh 22:17 * Brooke should get the stones to go busk with the saxophonist or the wee harpist. 22:17 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wtBXkGrxws&feature=related <-- how it started 22:17 Brooke Ellen is the bomb. 22:18 slef You set us up the Ellen. 22:18 Space_Librarian almost tangent: http://youtu.be/zf2aIVKp1OY 22:19 rangi heh yeah 22:19 Space_Librarian its a good arrangement. 22:19 rhcl a bit surprised she would have them on her show. 22:19 * ibeardslee has the musical talent of a peanut butter sandwich 22:20 Brooke aedunno, could use some Maorification ;) 22:21 Brooke k dinnah prep time 22:21 Brooke might make a repeat appearance after fencing 22:21 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90W3WBx6_6I <-- maorification 22:22 Brooke that's it! 22:22 Brooke that's the thing that Emma was listening to! 22:22 * Brooke hugs rangi for iding the band that's been in her head for the last damn 9 months. 22:22 Brooke ello Irma and bye bye 22:23 rangi i have the cd Brooke 22:23 rangi i have all 4 of theirs actually 22:23 Brooke saweet 22:48 jenkins_koha Starting build 321 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6577 - columns misaligned on serials search results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4892799e56da6d968bb179cbe2157673d44c0ec> / Bug 4994 - Net::LDAP returns lowercase names <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b79c4c88a965a3233f359f8333a492effcf075eb> 23:17 rangi hi BobB 23:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #321: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/321/ 23:31 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 4994 - Net::LDAP returns lowercase names 23:31 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6577 - columns misaligned on serials search results 23:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4994 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ldap mapping inconsistancy: Net::LDAP returns lowercase names 23:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6577 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Columns misaligned on serials search results 23:41 phlunk3 Hi guys, I have just taken over a system which is running koha 3.0 and have no experience with koha at all, can anyone point me to instructions which will help me when I want to upgrade the system to the latest release? 23:43 rangi what version of 3.0 ? 23:44 rangi the tarballs contain upgrade instructions, but heres a quick link 23:44 Phlunk3 3.00.05.003 23:44 rangi on what distro? 23:44 Phlunk3 good question, still haven't been able to log into the box ;) but I believe debian. 23:45 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=0df007c78df0c552bb8e005e2aa1c0e3043908fc;hb=f4892799e56da6d968bb179cbe2157673d44c0ec#l320 23:45 rangi (that file will be in all the tarballs, but you can look in git for a sneak peek) 23:46 Phlunk3 can I always update to newest, or do I need to do incremental updates over each version released? 23:56 rangi you can go from 3.0.x to any 3.2.x or 3.4.x 23:57 rangi as long as you follow the upgrade instructions 23:57 hristost make a backup first :-)