IRC log for #koha, 2011-06-02

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00:04 conan hum... what about the 'ugly hack' in sub _current_language ?
00:04 conan the one with a six line comment saying FIXME
00:04 conan could that has something to do with it?
00:05 rangi no
00:05 rangi It is
00:05 rangi # used only by C4::XSLT::XSLTParse4Display;
00:05 magnuse weirdness: i looked at the opac, the language chooser was showing norwegian as selected but the page was showing in english, i did "die $lang;" just before "return ( $theme, $lang );" in themelanguage() and it showed "en" as the active language. then i removed the die, chose english and then norwegian and put the die back, this time it told me nb-NO as the language. so the language chooser is not in tune with themelanguage()...
00:05 rangi yep, do you have memcached running?
00:05 magnuse nope
00:06 rangi right, so that makes one less thing to worry about
00:07 magnuse memcached, you mean?
00:07 rangi yep
00:07 rangi we know its not being cached
00:07 rangi so dont have to worry about that
00:08 rangi just have to track down why the language chooser was saying nb
00:08 conan rangi: _current_language is being called from themelanguage, on the langauge selection foreach
00:08 rangi no its not
00:08 conan ok, I have to look at this properly tomorrow
00:08 rangi $_current_language = $lang;
00:08 rangi its setting it
00:09 rangi setting a variable, not calling the function
00:09 conan my ssh is transmitting with timbals
00:10 conan rangi: you're right, and I should go eat and sleep :)
00:10 conan I'm talking nonsense
00:10 magnuse sorry rangi, i gotta catch some sleep too, it's 2 am (but the sun is shining on some of the houses in the neighbourhood ;-)
00:10 conan will do the warn pester tomorrow
00:10 magnuse i will definitely be looking more at this!
00:11 magnuse rangi++
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00:11 conan see you tomorrow, bye now
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02:39 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6190>
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02:39 Brooke 0/
02:40 druthb o/
02:40 rangi hey you two
02:40 druthb :D
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02:41 Brooke hehhe
02:41 Brooke so
02:41 Brooke fact
02:41 Brooke dell racks do not unlock from the inside.
02:41 rangi what happens when you leave a rack outside the sysadmin lair
02:42 ibeardslee Brooke: oh? and how did you find that out?
02:42 Brooke I didn't but Andy did >:)
02:42 rangi ibeardslee: thats where she lives
02:42 Soupermanito i want that "dont mess whit a time lord" one
02:42 Brooke ha! That would be an upgrade in both cleanliness and square footage!
02:43 rangi like the guy in owhiro bay, who built a house out of shipping containers
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02:51 rangi hiya pianohacker
02:51 pianohacker hey chris
02:51 druthb hi, pianohacker.  :)
02:51 druthb @karma pianohacker
02:51 huginn` druthb: Karma for "pianohacker" has been increased 35 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 35.
02:51 pianohacker and druthb
02:51 druthb pianohacker++
02:51 Brooke hooray
02:51 pianohacker hmm
02:51 pianohacker Hi brooke
02:51 pianohacker pianohacker--
02:51 huginn` pianohacker: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
02:51 pianohacker haha, was wondering
02:51 druthb nope.
02:52 pianohacker man, the bots got pissed off
02:52 Brooke *someone* busted that loophole.
02:52 eythian @karma <
02:52 huginn` eythian: < has neutral karma.
02:52 druthb Otherwise, I'd be down the cellar somewhere.
02:52 eythian @karma <!
02:52 huginn` eythian: Karma for "<!" has been increased 4 times and decreased 109 times for a total karma of -105.
02:52 * Brooke leers at druthb
02:52 pianohacker heh
02:52 pianohacker <!++
02:52 rangi @karma
02:52 huginn` rangi: Highest karma: "rangi" (342), "oleonard" (280), and "gmcharlt" (257).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-104), "failed" (-56), and "-" (-36).  You (rangi) are ranked 1 out of 1511.
02:53 pianohacker has anyone else had a linux machine suddenly fade to black and present a lovely /bin/ash (initramfs) prompt?
02:53 rangi ppl nned to stop pasting in html :)
02:53 pianohacker well after booting up
02:53 pianohacker wait, what?
02:53 wahanui it has been said that wait, is it only in items?
02:53 pianohacker -++
02:53 pianohacker @karma -
02:53 huginn` pianohacker: Karma for "-" has been increased 3 times and decreased 38 times for a total karma of -35.
02:53 pianohacker ...well then
02:54 rangi havent had that happen to me pianohacker
02:55 pianohacker perhaps unloading/reloading my wireless module isn't the best way to deal with this godforsaken router
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02:55 Brooke 0/
02:55 rangi heya NateC
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03:13 rangi brr, the aircon has gone crazy cold
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03:25 Amit_Gupta heya chris
03:25 rangi hiya Amit_Gupta
03:25 Amit_Gupta Good morning koha ;)
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03:54 pianohacker sorry, wireless is crazy
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04:23 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5602] Improve configurability of package building scripts <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5602>
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05:28 SpaceLibrarian_home namaste kmkale
05:30 kmkale Namaste shelly
05:30 kmkale the car shakes too much for proper typing :(
05:35 SpaceLibrarian_home feeling better?
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05:38 kmkale bit better. back on road
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05:47 kmkale please consider me as a lurker for today's volunteer meeting.
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05:47 kmkale network is very patchy
05:47 Brooke kia ora
05:47 kmkale Brooke may chair
05:47 kmkale hi Brooke
05:47 kmkale think of the ....
05:48 SpaceLibrarian_home Hey Brooke, I think you're chairing...
05:49 Brooke do we have an agenda, or is it just the wiki stuff I put up
05:49 * SpaceLibrarian_home looks at Brooke blankly
05:49 SpaceLibrarian_home I think it's going to be a pretty quiet meeting.
05:49 SpaceLibrarian_home 3.
05:50 SpaceLibrarian_home Ignore that, I'm just dropping things.
05:51 Brooke would we like to start now or wait the 5 mins?
05:54 * Brooke watches the clock.
05:54 SpaceLibrarian_home Considering I think it's going to be the two of us taking over the world and kmkale lurking... mebbe. Prove me wrong koha! :)
05:54 Brooke Shotgun!
05:55 SpaceLibrarian_home heh
05:55 Brooke #startmeeting
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05:55 Brooke #topic introductins
05:55 Brooke introductions even
05:56 SpaceLibrarian_home Shelley Gurney, Catalyst NZ
05:58 Brooke so here's a question?
05:58 Brooke we want to do this thing, or meet another time?
05:59 SpaceLibrarian_home meet another time?
05:59 Brooke or do things via email and meet later?
05:59 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke +
06:00 Brooke #endmeeting
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06:00 Brooke I think we'll just have kmkale set a convenient time
06:00 SpaceLibrarian_home Yep
06:00 Brooke I'd like to see a heap of Indian involvement
06:01 SpaceLibrarian_home I can get up in the middle of the night again.
06:01 SpaceLibrarian_home But I agree
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07:07 slef oops, timezones 1, slef 0
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07:29 Amit_Gupta heya slef
07:29 slef hi Amit_Gupta
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07:36 cait morning :)
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07:56 Amit_Gupta heya cait morning ;)
08:04 slef ok, why is this a bad idea, or not? ($truncated)=($num =~ /^(\d+\.\d{${places}})/);
08:05 slef and 2. are you scared yet?
08:06 rangi thats pretty much always a bad idea
08:06 slef rangi: I think so but why? That's what I had a hard time justifying.
08:07 rangi well i guess if places is sufficiently huge its not so bad
08:07 rangi is it for display, or are you using the value for calculation?
08:07 rangi i think id rather round, than truncate
08:08 rangi i bet if i went back through my maths degree, i could find a better reason why its bad
08:08 rangi but mostly now it just feels wrong :)
08:09 slef I'm not using it for anything; and truncation is desired rather than rounding
08:10 slef I agree on it feeling wrong, but I also did a maths degree
08:10 rangi i guess if its not being used for anything then its fine
08:11 rangi yeah mine was pure math, not that new fangled calculas thing where you can deal with imprecise numbers :-)
08:11 slef I think it leaves you vulnerable to perl's number base being changed, if that can be set globally (can't find it at a glance)
08:11 slef ah well, mine was statistics, where you just assume all the errors cancel out enough
08:12 slef I did pure maths options in year 3, though.
08:12 rangi i only did stats up to year 2
08:12 rangi then it was group and set theory
08:12 rangi fun
08:13 slef Mine was process of elimination... drop applied, then reduce pure to a minor.
08:13 rangi ahh
08:13 slef Yeah, I must have a couple of books on fields and groups somewhere in this office.
08:13 rangi i did maths as a minor in my compsci degree, then didnt want to get a job :)
08:14 rangi so cross credited a year to a BA, and finished my math major, and added a maori studies major
08:14 rangi the BA was a lot more fun than the BSc
08:14 rangi it helped that i was finally old enough to get into pubs too :)
08:14 slef I'm never sure of the worth of compsci for developers <fx:runs-away />
08:15 rangi heh
08:15 slef errr... NZ has age restrictions on pubs?
08:15 rangi in student towns they tend to id you at the door
08:15 rangi and it was 20 to drink back then, it 18 now
08:20 slef just checked and I can't find a legal age restriction on entry to a pub here... of course, some pubs put a 18 or 21 (or I think 25 sometimes) limit but that's up to the landlord
08:20 rangi is there a legal drinking age?
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08:21 slef yeah, 18
08:21 rangi i think i could have entered if they had let me legally, but basically they just id everyone and if you arent legal drinking age they just dont let you in
08:21 slef wow, that's a bit anti-social
08:21 slef so what do mixed-age groups do? Just not go into pubs?
08:22 rangi ahh its only in the real studenty pubs
08:22 rangi most likely they are smart to go to a nicer pub anyway :)
08:24 slef heh, debconf7 says the legal drinking age in Scotland is 5
08:24 rangi hehe
08:24 rangi (The student pubs had big lines at the door, they are basically trying to find reasons not to let you in)
08:24 slef yeah, some student pubs aren't worth it
08:26 slef heh, apparently it's the same in England
08:26 slef complicated...[…]inking_age#Europe
08:27 slef drinking age in private is 5 but purchasing alcohol on behalf of a minor is illegal... homebrew FTW!
08:27 rangi heh
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08:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:29 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.0�C (10:30 AM CEST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady).
08:30 rangi heya cait
08:30 cait hi rangi :)
08:45 cait oh
08:46 cait google says it's father's day
08:47 rangi not here it isnt
08:47 rangi not til september here
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08:48 rangi monday is queens birthday tho, (not her real birthday, we just get the first monday in june as a holiday every year)
08:49 cait ah, that's a good thing
08:49 cait that it's always a monday
08:49 rangi yup
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11:06 Amit_Gupta @wunder Bangalore
11:06 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
11:06 Amit_Gupta @wunder Dehradun
11:06 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 30.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa.
11:06 Amit_Gupta @wunder New Delhi
11:06 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 35.0�C (4:00 PM IST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
11:06 Amit_Gupta @wunder Mumbai
11:06 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 32.0�C (4:10 PM IST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
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11:15 cait @wunder Konstanz
11:15 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
11:16 cait @wunder Reutlingen
11:16 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 26.2�C (1:20 PM CEST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983.0 hPa (Steady).
11:16 cait !
11:16 cait @wunder Berlin
11:16 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
11:16 cait @wunder Berlin Germany
11:16 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
11:16 cait hm
11:19 cait @wunder Berlin, Germany
11:19 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
11:21 druthb @wunder 20852
11:21 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 21.4�C (7:25 AM EDT on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
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11:32 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6335] Branch not set consistently in all SIP transactions <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6335>
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11:41 conan hello everybody
11:46 cait hi conan
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12:28 Brooke kia ora!
12:28 oleonard Hi Brooke
12:28 Brooke :)
12:28 cait hi oleonard and Brooke
12:28 cait :)
12:28 Brooke oleonard = I'm up at a civilised hour.
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12:30 oleonard I noticed you're here early Brooke, but I wouldn't presume to think you slept in all those other days
12:30 Brooke your presumption might not be too far from the truth though ;)
12:31 Brooke are the kids out of school for summer?
12:31 oleonard One of three. The preschoolers go all summer.
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12:42 Brooke good morning, Ian.
12:42 sekjal morning, Brooke
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12:43 Brooke 0/
12:44 cait :)
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13:03 * oleonard is surprised about Bug 6449
13:03 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6449 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , no way to track when patron originally enrolled
13:03 Brooke anchi'o
13:03 oleonard I had no idea dateenrolled was overwritten by a patron renewal
13:05 druthb yeah, how 'bout that... a Sirsi Symphony library spotted that.  I would think Just Don't Do That would be a good answer, but it might be useful to add a datelastnewed.  I can't imagine a real-world case for that, but you never know.
13:08 oleonard Actually, I can't reproduce it
13:09 * druthb raises an eyebrow.
13:10 Brooke the plot thickens
13:12 oleonard Yeah, seems to work correctly for me.
13:12 druthb Interesting...on HEAD?
13:12 oleonard Yes
13:12 * druthb will investigate.  The site lists that as a Major before go-live on the 20th.
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13:15 Brooke 0/
13:16 Brooke it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that it was closed in that flurry of bug fixing though, would it? Just never updated ticket wise?
13:17 druthb It is possible, Brooke.  I thought I had found the culprit, when this first got reported, but now I'm not sure.
13:18 gmcharlt @quote random
13:18 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
13:19 oleonard That one always gets a laugh!
13:19 druthb @quote random
13:19 huginn` druthb: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009)
13:19 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
13:19 oleonard It?
13:20 cait about which bug are you talking?
13:20 oleonard Bug 6449
13:20 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6449 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , no way to track when patron originally enrolled
13:20 cait ah
13:20 cait perhaps we need a creation_date field?
13:20 oleonard that's what we have :)
13:21 cait oh?
13:21 cait ah
13:21 cait ah
13:21 cait yeah, we have expiry date and date enrolled
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14:06 conan does someone know what's the status of the po files in in relation to current master?
14:06 conan it says there that everything's translated,
14:07 conan but I keep founding many things with mixed languages in the UI
14:07 conan so I don't know if those files have been applied or not
14:08 conan (I need to decide if I should sit my bottom one full week to exclusively translate or if I can dedicate some time to other stuff that's burning my ass)
14:17 cait conan: you should as fredericd
14:21 conan fredericd: you around?
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15:22 sekjal on current HEAD, can anyone confirm if the item's enumchron field is failing to display despite being populated?  This is on catalogue/ in the staff client
15:24 cait sekal there is a bug for that
15:24 cait I think ruth did a patch for that?
15:25 cait bug 6397
15:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6397 minor, P5, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , Mis-named variable in .TT causes table cell shift
15:26 druthb yep.  wizzyrea signed it off.  It's apparently just waiting for the QA Manager.  ;-)
15:27 sekjal ah, that lazy git... I'll give him a kick
15:27 druthb He's not lazy!  He's just overworked by that lazy lady who does migrations for ByWater.
15:28 sekjal I'm kicking him regardless
15:28 cait *sighs*
15:28 wizzyrea sekjal I'm glad you're safe
15:28 * cait hands out cookies to you both
15:28 cait you are both NOT lazy
15:28 cait understood?
15:28 oleonard The term "git" loses its sting when the git we know is so powerful and useful.
15:29 * druthb takes a cookie, and heads to lunch and errands.  Lazily.
15:29 druthb is now known as druthb_away
15:29 * sekjal also takes a cookie, and gets geared up for QA work
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16:18 rhcl Hey, this is interesting. de July 11 Linux Journal, at the NZ Open Source Awards Ross Ihaka, one of the developers of R, received a lifetime achievement award from Catalyst. Didn't know that R was developed in NZ.
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17:16 gmcharlt chris_n: may I have an acknowledgement of my 3.2.x pull request sent 5/26, please?
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17:19 chris_n gmcharlt: got it, tnx
17:19 gmcharlt chris_n: thanks - wasn't sure if that is a useful way to deal with consolidated backports of bugfixes
17:19 chris_n will push in a bit along with a few other's
17:20 chris_n actually that's even easier than a patch :-)
17:20 wizzyrea hi chris_n :)
17:20 chris_n heya wizzyrea
17:20 wahanui wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
17:20 wizzyrea nice to see you
17:21 chris_n are you dodging tornadoes?
17:21 wizzyrea not today, thankfully
17:22 wizzyrea you?
17:22 chris_n none of late
17:23 chris_n there was one in the mid-western part of NC last week, but nothing this far east lately... thankfully
17:23 wizzyrea it was sekjal who had to watch out yesterday
17:23 wizzyrea his county was in a tornado warning
17:24 sekjal Springfield, MA got the tornados
17:24 wizzyrea yea I heard that. very sad
17:24 sekjal my friends school got hit, so he found himself with a day off
17:24 sekjal death count is at 4, from last news I saw
17:25 wizzyrea :((
17:26 chris_n yeah, those northern tornadoes are quite unusual
17:27 sekjal it was weird
17:28 sekjal and the twilight that evening after it passed was this eerie orange
17:28 wizzyrea *nod*
17:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 28 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:44 chris_n gmcharlt: pushed
17:45 chris_n although one of them was already there
17:45 gmcharlt chris_n: thx
17:45 chris_n that about does it for 3.2.10... and 3.2.x as a whole
17:45 chris_n parting is such sweet sorrow....
17:45 gmcharlt chris_n++
17:51 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit32: 5684: Remove all items fields from a Z39.50 record imported for acquisition. <[…]7edf0bf568483138f> / 5860 Fixing stocknumber index <[…]a47753b1e36f177a8> / Bug 3072: Add Heading-Main and Any to MARC21 DOM <[…]oha.git;a=commitd
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18:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #28: SUCCESS in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/28/
18:21 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5760 - Add the jquery table sorter to reading record
18:21 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3072: Add Heading-Main and Any to MARC21 DOM
18:21 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: 5860 Fixing stocknumber index
18:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5760 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Add the jquery table sorter to borrowers reading record
18:21 jenkins_koha * Frédérick Capovilla: 5684: Remove all items fields from a Z39.50 record imported for acquisition.
18:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
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19:07 rangi has anyone been able to recreate bug 6449 ?
19:07 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6449 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , no way to track when patron originally enrolled
19:07 rangi cos i cant
19:08 oleonard I can't either
19:08 rangi good im not going mad then
19:08 rangi im pretty sure jo would have driven to wellington to hit me by now if it was doing that
19:14 cait morning rangi :)
19:15 rhcl Kiwi PYCON in Wellington in August
19:16 rangi yep
19:16 rangi brett from catalyst is organising a lot of that
19:16 rangi heya cait
19:20 rhcl I hadn't realized R was originally developed in NZ.
19:20 rhcl repeat abv tx:
19:20 rhcl Hey, this is interesting. de July 11 Linux Journal, at the NZ Open Source Awards Ross Ihaka, one of the developers of R, received a lifetime achievement award from Catalyst. Didn't know that R was developed in NZ.
19:21 rangi yep
19:21 rangi up at waikato
19:21 rhcl The July issue is pretty good, learning lots of stuff. Trying to comprehend[…]d-transcript.html right now.
19:21 rangi or auckland
19:22 rangi
19:23 rangi ah yeah, freeing the cloud
19:23 rangi francois talks well about that
19:24 rangi  <-- is an example of 'cloud' software that respects freedom
19:24 rangi gitorious is another
19:25 rangi eythian gave a great talk at the OSDC conference in australia too
19:25 rangi Software as a service, without committing crimes against freedom
19:26 magnuse yay
19:26 rangi we try and make sure we do that with our hosted koha's by having the source code availabel for download, but also a button in the admin interface that you can click on to get all your config files + your db
19:26 magnuse ooh, planning on submitting that? ;-)
19:27 rangi the code to generate the backups is in already
19:27 rangi the download button only works with the koha-common packages
19:27 rangi so we have to wrap it, so it wont show if it doesnt work :)
19:28 magnuse ah, cool
19:28 rangi koha-common backs itself up nightly, and the download links to those, (so its not realtime dumping the db and killing you)
19:28 magnuse good idea ;-)
19:28 magnuse and a very cool feature!
19:28 rangi liw did it
19:29 rangi he's cool like that
19:30 magnuse liw++
19:34 library_systems_guy does anybody know if there is an outstanding transfers script?
19:34 rangi in circ library_systems_guy
19:34 rangi transfers waiting to receive
19:34 wizzyrea yea, transfers to receive
19:35 rangi speaking of cloud
19:35 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]  <-- cool
19:35 rangi hopefully they do it with freedom too :)
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19:37 library_systems_guy ahh ok thanks rangi and wizzyrea
19:39 library_systems_guy so the transfers to recieve also shows transfers going out of our library?
19:39 library_systems_guy receive*
19:39 wizzyrea mmm shouldn't
19:39 library_systems_guy oh
19:39 wizzyrea i don't remember it doing that
19:39 library_systems_guy well thats the one im looking for :)
19:39 wizzyrea AHA
19:40 * druthb jumps.
19:40 wizzyrea !!
19:40 rangi well you can just do a sql report for that
19:40 * library_systems_guy squeels
19:40 wizzyrea noooooo
19:40 wizzyrea oh happy jumping and squealing
19:40 wizzyrea nm
19:40 library_systems_guy lol
19:40 library_systems_guy well my boss asked me about it...i honestly have no idea what either of them mean really
19:41 * library_systems_guy has no library degree and is a newb in this field :'(
19:41 wizzyrea don't stress :) it'll be ok
19:41 rangi everyone is
19:41 rangi some just hide it better
19:41 library_systems_guy hehe
19:41 library_systems_guy so can i get that data with a query?
19:42 rangi i gotta catch my bus, but transfers to receive will show you all the ones waiting
19:42 rangi to arrive
19:42 wizzyrea something like
19:42 library_systems_guy ok bye rangi
19:42 rangi bbiab
19:43 wizzyrea select * from branchtransfers where frombranch = 'yourbranch' and datearrived is NULL;
19:43 wizzyrea of course that doesn't get you titles/barcodes of stuff
19:43 library_systems_guy right but joins shall fix that
19:43 wizzyrea yup
19:44 hilongo hello there  :9
19:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6450] No check in/check out messages in message_queue <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6450>
19:44 wizzyrea in theory a completed transfer should never have a null datearrived
19:45 * wizzyrea wonders about wrongtransfers
19:45 rhcl wizzyrea et al: member of Lyrasis??
19:45 wizzyrea nope
19:46 hilongo I'm testing Record matching rules in 3.4 and they don't seem to work ... anyone knows something about it?
19:46 wizzyrea ah yea, library_systems_guy that will get you the wrongtransfers too, just fyi
19:46 wizzyrea er no it won't
19:46 wizzyrea I mean
19:46 wizzyrea sigh
19:47 wizzyrea hilongo: how exactly are they not working?
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19:49 hilongo I have 10 records in my catalogue ... I have set up a matching rule with 3 matching points (title, control number and ISBN) I reimport the same 10 records and I get ' no match' for all of them  :()
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19:50 hilongo If I search the catalogue by title I find the books, and the same if I search using the 'cotrol number' field 001
19:51 * library_systems_guy is confused
19:51 library_systems_guy client quit scrolling -_-
19:52 library_systems_guy i copied the report into mysql and it ran...copied the report into the report bit and it gives me an error when i download it
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19:53 wizzyrea is there a space at the beginning?
19:53 wizzyrea and no semicolon at the end
19:53 library_systems_guy ...
19:53 skushner datearrived=null (because they are waiting)?
19:53 wizzyrea because they have been sent
19:53 wizzyrea but not received yet
19:53 library_systems_guy no space and no semicolon
19:53 library_systems_guy something about a null array reference
19:54 wizzyrea paste in your report
19:54 skushner Sometimes when they are "received" they go to the next person in the queue when checked in at the branch, has anyone had that problem?
19:54 skushner the holds queue...
19:54 library_systems_guy the only thing i changed from yours is i actutally inserted the branchcode
19:54 library_systems_guy select * from branchtransfers where frombranch = 'TEX' and datearrived is NULL
19:55 wizzyrea huh  odd.
19:55 library_systems_guy indeed
19:55 wizzyrea and it runs from the mysql client?
19:55 library_systems_guy yes ma'am
19:55 library_systems_guy and gives back one result
19:56 library_systems_guy the error is: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/reports/ line 614.
19:56 wizzyrea yea totally works on my db from mysql... sec
19:56 library_systems_guy if that helps
19:56 oleonard Works for me as a report in Koha
19:56 library_systems_guy hmm
19:57 library_systems_guy retarded
19:57 library_systems_guy missed a '
19:57 wizzyrea unlikely ;)
19:57 library_systems_guy lol well...i had a blonde moment then?
19:57 * Brooke has the retard market cornered!
19:57 wizzyrea ah yea that'd do it
19:57 library_systems_guy unless anyone here is blonde...then im totally sorry :'(
19:57 Brooke I wish there were a colour doo dad thinger
19:58 oleonard ?
19:58 Brooke like that programme that was all like "yo! Missing a curly bracket there tough guy!"
19:58 skushner Does anyone ever lose a hold that's transferred to a branch, when checked in at the branch?
19:59 oleonard Can you elaborate skushner?
19:59 wizzyrea only in conincidence of timing circumstances
19:59 oleonard You mean when it's checked in there's no hold message anymore?
20:00 wizzyrea where the hold is filled by another branch before the library with the item on the list gets to processing the hold
20:00 skushner Yes, Hold from mid tranferred to Bay, when checked in at Bay, Hold goes to 2nd person on Hold, not the first
20:00 wizzyrea yep, every time I've seen that it's been a coincidence of timing
20:00 skushner This happens sometimes, arbitrarily
20:00 skushner What do you mean, "conincidence of timing"? please 'splain..
20:01 wizzyrea i mean that it's a coincidence that on, say, a very popular title
20:01 wizzyrea a copy of twilight will pass a scanner gun in library A while still on the pick list for library B
20:01 wizzyrea but before library B has picked/processed the item
20:01 wizzyrea so when B checks it in
20:01 wizzyrea it goes to #2 on the list
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20:03 wizzyrea there's nothing programmatically to be done about that, imo
20:03 skushner hmmm..title level holds problem, i see. thanks. that's interesting.
20:03 Brooke I concur, and I'm a picky thing with reserves.
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20:06 skushner But the problem is that the hold phone call is triggered during transfer of item to branch. Patron gets called to pick up hold at branch. When they go to pick up item, it's no longer there. It on to next person, and item from other branch is for person..????
20:06 skushner I'm confused...
20:07 skushner Shouldn't the Holds transfer be locked into the person the item was transferred for..?
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20:08 wizzyrea nope, it's not
20:08 wizzyrea no mention of who it's for in branchtransfers
20:09 skushner I knew you were going to say that's not how it works..
20:09 wizzyrea sorry >.>
20:09 rangi you could make it lock
20:09 rangi ie refuse to let it be issued
20:09 wizzyrea i'm not sure it would be a bad thing to make it lock
20:09 rangi to anyone else
20:10 rangi but would need to be a syspref
20:10 wizzyrea well it basically becomes an itemlevel hold at that point
20:10 rangi yep
20:10 wizzyrea this item -> this patron
20:10 Brooke aye
20:10 wizzyrea which has it's own difficulties
20:10 rangi yep
20:10 skushner But does the other item then that coincidentally got checked out at the same time, go to the 1st person on the list? I guess it does..
20:10 rangi hence syspref
20:10 wizzyrea yep, it does
20:11 wizzyrea i'm assuming these are super popular titles?
20:11 wizzyrea with heavy circ traffic and lots of copies?
20:11 skushner ok. thanks for straightening that out. At least I understand it now. Yes, they are popular...
20:11 wizzyrea yea, I'm pretty sure that's what you're seeing there
20:12 wizzyrea we see that too, on very popular high traffic/multiple copy bibs
20:12 wizzyrea it's a cost of doing business
20:12 wizzyrea what your phone should do
20:12 wizzyrea is trigger the call when it's arrived
20:12 rangi its soluble, but you'd have to spec how you want it to work and get the dev done
20:12 wizzyrea not when it's sent
20:12 wizzyrea cuz when it's waiting
20:12 wizzyrea it's ready
20:12 wizzyrea and locked
20:13 rangi what she said
20:13 * Brooke thinks it could be managed mo' better, but us devious librarians have to 'splain it right.
20:14 Brooke but prodding things that work great nearly all the time is not necessarily wise.
20:14 rangi well the main problem here is the phone call is triggered to soon
20:14 Brooke rangi: realise. :) Happens like every system I've ever put my grubby paws on.
20:14 rangi because there are many reasons why somerhing marked for transfer
20:15 rangi may not arrive
20:15 rangi Brooke: not in koha, that phone thing isn't a koha feature
20:16 wizzyrea yea, that really seems like poor design to call when the transfer starts :/
20:16 skushner It's not integrated. It does a pick list from the day before...not realtime
20:16 wizzyrea oh that makes it even wors
20:16 Brooke ewww
20:16 Brooke now that's bad.
20:16 Brooke spank whoever thought that up.
20:17 skushner It can probably be adjusted. I'll have to think about wasn't ME, by the way...but now I now why these things are, thanks, wizzyrea ++
20:17 wizzyrea you are welcome :
20:17 wizzyrea :)
20:18 Brooke nothing says thanks like chocolate
20:18 picklesmcgee Hi folks, extreme koha newb. given the task of building a koha server, any advice for finding info on koha on freebsd? I've only found one tut so far, and most everythign else says ewww go to debian
20:18 Brooke just puttin' that out there
20:18 rangi if it happened on receipt the feature could probably go into koha
20:18 * wizzyrea doesn't require chocolate
20:18 rangi if you do bsd ull most likely have to figure it out urself
20:18 Brooke debian is the distro most devs use, and that's all I'ma say before someone hucks a tomatoe at me
20:20 skushner beer then? how do you send a virtual beer to kansas...?
20:20 picklesmcgee that's what i was afraid of :{ (funny tomato comment, just signed up yesterday for the tomato battle in co) thanks
20:21 wizzyrea kansas has bizarre liquor laws, better just come do it in person ;)
20:21 Brooke no wai
20:21 Brooke move to the Great Commonwealth
20:21 Brooke you can get beer delivered to your doorstep
20:22 * Brooke thought over starting a firearms, liquor, & fireworks delivery company.
20:22 skushner sister lived in a dry county, in Salina, i think...
20:23 wizzyrea ah yea. I grew up in the county south of that
20:23 wizzyrea also dry
20:23 wizzyrea not so much anymore
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20:52 skushner Wizzy, one more question about "coincidence of timing" and holds, please....
20:52 wizzyrea go for it
20:53 skushner When item hold transfer to branch is on hold for patron, and another branch checks in the same title coincidentally...does another HOLD SLIP get created for the original patron..???
20:54 wizzyrea yes
20:55 skushner ok, because we thought it was no....we've been putting them back on hold and bumping them up....
20:55 skushner rats
20:56 wizzyrea well, that's what happens in koha
20:57 wizzyrea it may not be the same for you :/
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21:09 library_systems_guy is it hard to turn a regular sql report into a "canned report"?  if that makes sense
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21:45 hilongo Hello again .. I asked this already, but maybe now there is someone who an help me
21:45 hilongo I'm testing Record matching rules in 3.4 and they don't seem to work ... anyone knows something about it?
21:46 cait what exactly does not work?
21:46 hilongo I have 10 records in my catalogue ... I have set up a matching rule with 3 matching points (title, control number and ISBN) I reimport the same 10 records and I get ' no match' for all of them  :()
21:46 cait on which step are you stuck?
21:46 cait have you rebuild your index?
21:46 hilongo If I search the catalogue by title I find the books, and the same if I search using the 'control number' field 001
21:46 cait after importing the first 10 - can you search for them?
21:46 cait ok
21:46 hilongo here is the thing ...
21:46 cait how have you set up your matching points?
21:47 rangi you are importing via the web interface eh? staged marc records
21:47 rangi ?
21:47 rangi cait: yep he has :)
21:47 hilongo If I create a rule from scratch.... using the Title alone ... it works
21:48 hilongo BUT .. If I edit it ... by adding another Matchpoin ... or anything no longer works
21:48 rangi sounds like a bug to me, have you checked ?
21:48 hilongo yep ... searched 'matching rules' but it yields three bugs non related to this
21:49 rangi might have to file a new one
21:49 cait hm, never tried to use more than one - so no idea if it used to work
21:49 hilongo by the way .. If I create a rule to match the 001 field ... using index Control-number ... it doesn't work, even from scratch
21:50 cait ouch
21:50 wizzyrea ah, if you do two match points, but leave off the control number as one?
21:50 hilongo We used the feature in 3.2 ... and is working ok ...
21:50 wizzyrea does it work?
21:50 wizzyrea so title/isbn, does that work?
21:50 rangi afaik nothing changed with match points for 3.4.x but i could be wrong
21:50 Space_Librarian morning #koha TGIF
21:51 pianohacker hola spacelib
21:51 pianohacker time_zones--
21:51 cait some work on the interface by owen I think, but can't remember anything else
21:51 hilongo will test the title/isbn thin ...
21:53 hilongo yep ... title/isbn worked
21:53 wizzyrea so it's just the control number that's borked
21:53 hilongo ... seems to be
21:55 hilongo but if I edit the rule ... say, to change the scores or the description ... it's bye bye ... no longer works ...
21:55 wizzyrea so it's the 3rd factor that breaks it?
21:55 wizzyrea or everything except title/isbn is broken
21:56 hilongo nope ... I didn't add any matchpoint .. just changed the score for title
21:56 wizzyrea yup sounds like a bug, file one
21:56 wizzyrea bugzilla?
21:56 wahanui bugzilla is found at
21:58 hilongo Ok .. will be filing it tomorrow and I'll try to see what happens with the tables in th DB when creating and editing
22:22 rangi isnt chris_n in NC ?
22:22 rangi hilongo: good plan
22:30 pianohacker rangi: Is there an efficient way to use git bz apply for patches you need to fix merge conflicts on? What it seems to be doing makes no sense whatsoever
22:31 pianohacker something like git-rebase where it tries to apply the patch and shows conflict markers where it can't would be lovely; git-am seems to try to apply the patch and simply goes 'meh' if it can't, which is frustrating
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22:32 rangi pianohacker: git am will do conflict markers if there is a conflict
22:33 pianohacker That was my understanding, but it appears to be doing absolutely nothing; I'll post a pastebin
22:33 rangi it may be that git-bz is not giving git am the right switches
22:34 pastebot "pianohacker" at pasted "rangi: here's what it's doing" (23 lines) at
22:34 pianohacker there's a .git/rebase-apply directory, so it thinks it's in the middle of _something_; I'm just not sure what the expected workflow is
22:36 rangi yes its doing a git am
22:37 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "git am attachment.cgi\?id=2739" (14 lines) at
22:37 rangi its doing exactly that
22:38 pianohacker okay, that makes sense
22:38 cait I ran into that too
22:38 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "git am -3 attachment.cgi\?id=2" (19 lines) at
22:38 rangi thats what we normally do
22:38 cait normally I do a git status to check for the files I have to work on, but it showed none and didn't complete
22:38 pianohacker rangi: Alright, so I need to modify git-bz to do something halfway useful. Thanks
22:38 rangi yes we arent telling it to try and merge a unclean patch anyway
22:39 rangi its only going apply ones that apply clean
22:39 rangi youd need to make it a switch
22:39 rangi because arguably applying only clean is a desired behaviour
22:39 pianohacker for certain workflows, yes
22:40 rangi so git bz appply -3 4222
22:40 rangi would make sense to me
22:40 rangi you could do -s too
22:40 rangi to sign off
22:40 rangi etc
22:40 pianohacker would also be nice if the git documentation gave more info on what -3 did, but, well, git documentation :)
22:41 rangi -3, --3way When the patch does not apply cleanly, fall back on 3-way merge if the patch records the identity of blobs it is supposed to apply to and we have those blobs available locally.
22:41 rangi -u we want too
22:41 pianohacker right, that kind of makes sense
22:41 pianohacker just didn't know what a 3-way merge was
22:42 rangi ah
22:42 rangi goes back to the base commit (where they diverged)
22:43 rangi and merges both together on top of that
22:43 rangi so merging three things together
22:43 pianohacker and now the name makes sense, thank you
22:43 rangi vs just applying the diffs
22:44 rhcl is now known as rhcl_away
22:44 pianohacker a paragraph like that in the man page would be muy helpful, I might have to send in a patch
22:44 rangi :)
22:46 rangi well its more complex than that
22:47 rangi[…]cs/git-merge.html
22:47 rangi you can set up all sorts of merge strategies
22:49 rangi[…])#Three-way_merge
22:49 rangi theres whole degrees in merge strategies ;-)
22:52 pianohacker PhD theses, etc. Yeah, I can imagine
23:12 * rangi steals some very simple little patches out of sekjals queue
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23:14 rangi ibeardslee:[…]Of+Redboy/2364822
23:14 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6380 - Z39.50 Cataloging Search needs a way to try search again, even if results... <[…]ffb2d59d202d28ea4> / Bug 6361 - make the packages work with koha 3.4 <[…]2742713f0ec0b4d9e>
23:19 rangi library_systems_guy: you about?
23:19 rangi[…]1c5b3ef25a83af773
23:26 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6437: Added div with id yui-main around advsearch form <[…]1c5b3ef25a83af773>
23:30 ibeardslee rangi: I think I have a copy of that at home
23:30 rangi cool
23:32 pianohacker robbie robertson's music sounds interesting, but man has he not aged well, poor fellow
23:37 ibeardslee there is something so special about the music from the people of the 60s
23:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6350 - Keeping history page up to date <[…]48793f6d34c54cb2b>
23:37 rangi ibeardslee: its true
23:37 ibeardslee a big difference to the manufactured music of today
23:37 rangi yup
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23:56 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 6361 - make the packages work with koha 3.4
23:56 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 6380 - Z39.50 Cataloging Search needs a way to try search again, even if results are found
23:56 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6361 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade
23:56 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6380 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Z39.50 Cataloging Search needs a way to try search again, even if results are found
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