IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-19

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02:37 kmkale Namaskar #koha
02:37 Space_Librarian namaste kmkale
02:38 kmkale Namaste Space_Librarian :)
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02:38 Brooke 0/
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02:52 kmkale ping rangi
02:53 Space_Librarian he's away until Tuesday
02:55 kmkale aah thanks shelly
02:55 Space_Librarian np :)
02:56 kmkale India flight booked Space_Librarian ?
02:57 Space_Librarian I wish. Still need to have my abstract in and be confirmed to speak before that can happen... :)
02:58 kmkale Earlier you book, cheaper it is ;)
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02:58 Space_Librarian I know, I know...
02:59 pianohacker hi
02:59 Space_Librarian hey pianohacker
02:59 wahanui it has been said that pianohacker is our favorite boy genius or the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel
02:59 kmkale Namaste pianohacker
02:59 pianohacker that dang thing
02:59 Brooke hehehe
02:59 pianohacker must reduce my bribe payments
02:59 kmkale Namaste Brooke
02:59 pianohacker hi brook, kmkale
02:59 Brooke Namaskar
02:59 * Brooke watched Asoka today.
03:00 kmkale Brooke: The one with with Shaharukh ?
03:00 * Brooke nods like a simpleton.
03:00 Brooke he'd totally keynote for KohaCon ;)
03:00 kmkale heh!! but the movie is pure BS!!!
03:00 Brooke of *course* it is
03:01 kmkale Brooke: flight booked?
03:01 Brooke it's like saying that Blazing Saddles is historical
03:01 kmkale :)
03:01 Brooke not yet
03:01 Brooke I wanna do a wee bit more research
03:01 Brooke I'm _prolly_ flying Turkish Air
03:01 kmkale on?
03:01 Space_Librarian I have to convince my director to send me to India.
03:01 Brooke but I wanna see if I can sweet talk them into letting me stay over a few days
03:01 Brooke so I can stop at Aphrodisias and Troy.
03:01 kmkale Space_Librarian: go for it whtacha waiting for?
03:02 Space_Librarian our national library conference is on at the same time in the same city. Not precisely that easy.
03:02 kmkale heh gr8 idea Brooke do see the dimonds in the sultans palace in Istanbul while u r at it
03:03 Brooke of course
03:03 Brooke Kay would shoot me if I didn't see that and some of the rare manuscipts
03:03 Brooke manuscripts even
03:03 Space_Librarian Brooke: very envious
03:03 Brooke >:)
03:04 kmkale I found turkish women to be more butiful than Europeans ;)
03:04 Brooke Aphrodisias will prolly be a pita to get to, but surely, SURELY someone will see me and take pity on me ;)
03:04 Brooke no doubt.
03:04 kmkale :)
03:05 * kmkale is getting some time off starting this weekend. Going to go after Koha people for papers and sponsors :)
03:06 Brooke egggsellent.
03:06 Space_Librarian I see there's a KOha workshop in July too
03:06 Space_Librarian that's a good place to promo
03:06 kmkale where Space_Librarian ?
03:06 wahanui Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know
03:06 Brooke ha bot's on a roll!
03:06 kmkale yeah wahanui you got that one right!!
03:06 Space_Librarian hang on. i'll find the link. it's in India
03:07 Space_Librarian that quote has changed...
03:07 Brooke but who would do such a thing?!
03:07 kmkale It must be the paid training OSS is conducting
03:07 * Brooke is shocked SHOCKED that there is gambling here.
03:08 Space_Librarian kmkale:[…]zoram-university/
03:09 kmkale ohh. That is great because its in Mizoram!!
03:09 kmkale fantastic to see Koha reach :)
03:09 Space_Librarian I wasn't sure if you knew about it...
03:10 Space_Librarian and June, not July, sorry...
03:10 kmkale Space_Librarian: been away for a few weeks on business. Not upto date on Koha news :(
03:10 Space_Librarian well there's some good news for you then. :)
03:12 kmkale yup. and thanks. Will write to them today to pass on the news about Kohacon to participants. Must see if indradg is involved in this workshop. He may be able to help.
03:14 * Brooke loves it when a plan comes together
03:14 Brooke right time to heal
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03:15 Space_Librarian :)
03:15 kmkale what plan?
03:15 wahanui i heard plan was to modify web installer to translate templates during the installation process
03:16 kmkale heh!!
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03:27 kmkale yeah. Dropped a mail to organizers of the Mizoram workshop and also Savitra requesting them to inform participants about Kohacon11 and encourage them to attend :)
03:27 kmkale Hi AmitG
03:30 eythian kmkale: there's a koha workshop coming up in Malaysia, too
03:30 eythian in case you want to tell even more people
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03:41 kmkale eythian: I do. Are you involved in that?
03:42 eythian kmkale: yeah, I have to spend 5 days in a beach resort in Malaysia for it. It'll be terrible.
03:42 kmkale :) so sorry for you ;)
03:43 eythian Also, Irma and I are speaking/facilitating a 2 day koha workshop there (which preceeds a 3-day open source conference)
03:43 kmkale could you please spread the word?
03:43 eythian sure will
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03:49 kmkale_ eythian: in case you need it here is the link
03:50 kmkale_ @quote random
03:50 huginn` kmkale_: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009)
03:50 eythian cool
03:50 kmkale_ :)
03:51 kmkale_ ok. time to head for office. bbl..
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03:56 mtj wizzyrea or rangi about for a quick Q?
03:59 eythian rangi is away
04:01 Space_Librarian don't think wizzyrea is up yet...
04:02 mtj heya, ah - no probs
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04:47 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6371] Item Types description not properly displayed if not pure ASCII <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6371>
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04:57 cait good morning #koha
04:57 Space_Librarian morning cait!
04:57 cait :)
05:00 eythian hi cait
05:00 cait hi eythian
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05:48 mib_cdt hi koha#
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06:00 cait hi kmkale :)
06:01 kmkale hi cait :)
06:01 mib_cdt how can I customize the 'Add MARC Record' form in koha?
06:03 cait mib_cdt: look ad administration > bibliographic marc frameworks
06:03 cait koha manual?
06:03 cait manual?
06:03 wahanui i think manual is at
06:04 cait ah :)
06:04 cait and check the manual
06:06 mib_cdt but I dont want all the fields in default framework. can I set the marc entry fields in a single page?
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06:09 mib_cdt I have created a new marc framework by deleting the fields not necessary for my library.
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06:11 mib_cdt but all those are scattered in 9 tabs. It is difficult for entering data by selecting each tag.
06:11 mib_cdt Can I set up all these fields in a single pages?
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06:21 cait yes
06:21 cait change the tab values
06:21 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
06:21 cait forget yes
06:21 cait sorry, talking to wahanui
06:22 cait in the bibliographic frameworks is also defined on which tab a field shows up
06:22 cait you can put them all on one tag
06:22 cait tab
06:23 eythian wahanui: literal yes
06:23 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
06:23 eythian wahanui: yes
06:23 wahanui eythian: what?
06:24 cait change the values
06:24 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
06:24 eythian how odd
06:24 cait forget change the values
06:24 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
06:24 eythian I think it's a module
06:24 cait forget cait:?
06:25 eythian I think you need to use the name for operations like that.
06:25 cait wahanui: forget change the values
06:25 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching change the values
06:25 cait ok, I give up
06:25 mib_cdt cait: how can I put them all in one tag?
06:26 cait change the tab value in the subfields definition
06:26 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
06:27 cait[…]marcbibframeworks
06:27 cait look for 'managed in tab'
06:27 cait and don't delete fields from the default frameworks
06:28 cait better hide them or even better create your own frameworks
06:30 cait ok, restarting to find out if the updates killed that grub thing again
06:30 cait bbl
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06:31 mib_cdt ok thanks cait
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06:35 cait yay :)
06:35 cait laptop survived updating this time
06:35 eythian awesome :)
06:35 cait hehe
06:35 cait last 2 times I updated I ended up on command line with a blinking grub>
06:36 cait know it's not what normally should happen
06:36 cait ok
06:36 cait time for work
06:36 eythian no, that's not so normal
06:37 cait this laptop is really old, probably something in the hardware ubuntu is not too happy about?
06:37 cait but it works now, so all is ok :)
06:37 cait have a nice evening eythian
06:37 eythian you too ;)
06:38 cait thx ;)
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07:06 magnuse bonjour biblibre
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07:23 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6365] Missing information about tab number when mandatory fields unfilled <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6365>
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07:34 eythian packages for 3.4 are coming together.
07:34 magnuse yay!
07:34 magnuse 3.4 or 3.4.1?
07:35 eythian at the moment they apply against both master and 3.4.x
07:35 eythian so I'll make them for 3.4.1 when it's out, all going well.
07:36 eythian among other things, it adds /usr/sbin/koha-upgrade-to-3.4 which does the items removing stuff.
07:36 magnuse cool
07:37 eythian and when you install it, it tells you that you should run that if you're upgrading.
07:37 magnuse nice
07:37 eythian hoping to get the patches out, and a build against master in the -dev repo for people to try out.
07:38 magnuse i cant wait to have a go at creating packages that has norwegian tranlsations
07:38 eythian yeah, I really want to make language packs, so you can install koha-translations-no for example.
07:38 magnuse that would be sooo cool
07:39 magnuse if i had lots of cash lying around i would have been happy to fund that...
07:40 eythian yeah, same here if I had lots of spare time :)
07:40 magnuse :-)
07:40 eythian I really need to get this finished tonight as tomorrow I just realised I'm going to be away for most of the day helping out at a career expo.
07:40 magnuse do you know if it will be hard to do?
07:42 eythian I don't think it would be terribly difficult. Doing the first one would be hard, but the rest would be copy-paste.
07:43 magnuse hehe, skip the first one and go straight to the second, then...
07:44 eythian so wise :)
07:44 magnuse thanks ;-)
07:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4513] Resetting framework to Default seems impossible <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4513>
07:45 eythian I think it's just a matter of generating the translations during the build process, and writing them into their own package.
07:48 magnuse so one package per language?
07:48 eythian yeah
07:48 magnuse seems to me that makes it hard to update translations...
07:49 magnuse could it be possible to build on the translate script, so you had a command that installed new translations?
07:49 eythian there's no reason to not be able to do both.
07:49 magnuse without requiring a new package for every iteration of a translation?
07:49 magnuse cool
07:50 eythian My thinking was that there could be a set of standard translations that come from git like normal and become packages. Then perhaps a script that alters them for local changes or something.
07:50 eythian I'm not quite sure how to handle merging that with updates though.
07:51 magnuse ooh, sounds like a good idea, for sure!
07:51 magnuse yeah, updates might be a problem...
07:51 eythian but at the least I'd like to have it building the ones that are in git.
07:52 eythian (although, I'd have to study up on how translations work first)
07:52 magnuse :-)
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07:55 eythian hmm, curious error in a zebra rebuild:
07:55 eythian problem with :36093 : Field 111 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/ line 92
07:55 eythian where 111 is
07:55 eythian <datafield tag="111" ind1="2" ind2=" ">
07:55 eythian </datafield>
07:55 eythian I wonder if it's unhappy about having no subfields (which is a legitimate issue I guess.)
07:57 magnuse weird that the error is " must have indicators" if the subfields are the problem?
07:57 eythian yeah
07:57 eythian but, it has indicators...
07:57 magnuse yeah
07:58 magnuse and it looks like empty indicators shouldn't be a problem
07:58 eythian yeah
07:59 eythian Going to try it again using usmarc instead of XML
07:59 magnuse worth a try
07:59 magnuse #marcmustdie
08:00 eythian hehe, full agreement from me there
08:01 eythian well that's odd, I get the same error when doing it with usmarc. Though, it didn't seem to cause it to die.
08:01 eythian and it still gave an XML dump.
08:01 eythian I'm surprised I haven't seen that before.
08:01 magnuse wow, that sounds weird
08:01 eythian oh wait...
08:02 eythian it's not the rebuild that's doing that, it's the items thing
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09:12 eythian 3.4 master packages published into squeeze-devfor anyone who wants to give the new bits a test run.
09:12 eythian now I can go home.
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09:29 magnuse good night eythian :-)
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10:05 druthb o/
10:06 hdl1 hi druthb
10:11 druthb hi, hdl1. :)
10:26 kmkale hi druthb
10:26 kmkale hi hdl1
10:28 * druthb waves to kmkale
10:30 kmkale :)
10:36 kmkale matts: did you work on CAS auth code?
10:36 hdl1 kmkale: yes he ded
10:37 hdl1 did
10:37 hdl1 I will ask him to answer you
10:37 kmkale I have got CAS auth and SSO working
10:37 kmkale but I am having trouble with single sign out
10:37 kmkale need help
10:38 kmkale please hdl1 much appreciated if he can chat and give me a few tips
10:53 kmkale matts around?
10:53 kmkale @seen matts
10:53 huginn` kmkale: matts was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <matts> hello #koha
10:54 kmkale ouch!!
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11:33 matts hello kmkale
11:33 matts what is your problem exactly ?
11:35 wizzyrea hi
11:35 wahanui privet, wizzyrea
11:35 kmkale hi matts
11:35 kmkale I have CAS + Koha single sign on working
11:35 kmkale But can't get the single sign out working
11:36 matts ok
11:36 kmkale When a user signs out of CAS s/he is not signed out of Koha
11:36 matts there's a syspref that disconnect from the whole CAS authentication if you disconnect from koha...
11:36 matts oh, it's the opposite you want, i see
11:36 kmkale Yes that works fine
11:37 kmkale when I log out of Koha, I get logged out of CAS too
11:37 kmkale but if I log out of CAS I don't get loggged out of Koha
11:37 kmkale yup
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11:38 matts hmmm, let me check
11:38 kmkale CAS server calls the service url registered with the ticket e.g.  "POST /cgi-bin/koha/ HTTP/1.1" 200 8537 "-" "Java/1.5.0_22"
11:38 kmkale but it seems this POST is not handled in Koha
11:39 matts yeah, you're probably right, i don't remember implementing such thing
11:39 kmkale since Koha's logout url is different e.g. /cgi-bin/koha/
11:40 kmkale Is it possible to handle the POST in and logout the user? If yes how?
11:44 matts hmm, my first guess would be to tweak to catch that post, then modify C4/ to disconnect the user when such a POST is caught.
11:46 kmkale been looking at both files. Can't figure out how to catch the POST and the security assertion it contains. :(
11:55 matts the trick is that the CAS server i used when coding CAS authentication does not seem to support single-sign-out...
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11:56 kf hi #koha
11:56 druthb hi, kf. :)
11:57 conan good morning all
12:00 kf hi druthb and conan
12:01 kmkale matts: there is a additional configuration to be done for single sign out as shown in[…]g+Single+Sign+Out
12:03 matts yeah, but i used esup cas server
12:03 matts
12:04 matts And unfortunately, i've got no time right now to enhance the CAS feature
12:04 kmkale If you can tell me how to catch the POST in, I can attempt to hack it from there
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12:07 matts kmkale, problem is i don't know what's in that logout post...
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12:08 kmkale humph. How do I generally catch a POST request in as separate from the usual GET once we get in the query parameter?
12:13 matts hmm, i guess it's the same : $query->param('myparam');
12:13 matts But I don't know what's the name of the parameter to look for to, nor the content it's supposed to have
12:14 kmkale ohh..
12:15 matts And I had a quick look on the internet to find out, but couldn't find any usefull info
12:15 kmkale Ok. I will attempt too write a generic client and catch the POST and then see whats inside. by looping over the params. ( If such a thing is possible )
12:16 kmkale there are enough example clients around which I can hack
12:16 matts yes, such a thing is possible
12:16 matts but finding a spec sheet would be better, imho
12:17 kmkale :) always
12:17 matts anyhow, I'd be glad to hear back from you on that subject
12:17 kmkale sure. And thanks matts
12:17 matts np, good luck :)
12:44 conan how what's that cite about mad library schemes?
12:45 conan I think I have finally grasped the circulation rules inner working
12:45 conan and now I know I cannot use it without source modification, unless I'm completely wrong, of course
12:46 conan what we need here is this schema:
12:46 conan if patron is from library A and item is from library A, patron can take 4 items
12:47 conan (I'm simplfying the item part, assuming is the same)
12:47 druthb @quote search scheme
12:47 huginn` druthb: 1 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..."
12:47 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
12:47 druthb @quote get 123
12:47 huginn` druthb: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:47 conan if patron is from libA and item is from libB, patron can take 4 items
12:48 conan but if patron is from libA and item is from libB, AND patron already checked out 4 items from libA, he can only take 3 items from libB, for a total of 7 items
12:49 conan I thought I could implement that by using default_borrower_circ_rules
12:50 conan but I never reach them because we need to establish the rules for every library, and so, Circulation->GetIssuingRule  always matches something
12:50 conan yeah, the 123 quote! that's easy to remember
12:51 druthb conan:  the biggest part of what you want that is foreign to Koha is "the patron is from..."  As I said yesterday (was it yesterday?), the circ map doesn't know or care about that.  Once you get that in there, both in issuingrules and in default_borrower_circ_rules, then what you want should be doable.
12:51 conan so I need normal circulation rules plus...
12:51 conan one rule to check for a grand total
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12:52 conan druthb: hum... if you choose PatronLibrary for CircControl then you get branch from patron to check
12:53 conan the check for an issuing rules is like this:
12:54 conan select ... where categorycode = ? and itemtype = ? and branchcode = ?
12:54 druthb yes, but then you don't have "the item is from..."
12:54 druthb CircControl lets you do one or the other, but not both.
12:55 * druthb normally sets CircControl to item library, in her installations, since setting it to patron library breaks minds a lot.
12:56 conan I'm not sure I'm following you, are you telling me that this cannot be done the way koha works currently?
12:57 druthb No, I'm telling you that "is from library X" is either a patron thing, or an item thing, in the circ rules, depending on CircControl, but both is not in there.  There are workarounds--if you make sure that all patron categories are filled with people from a single library, then you could set CircControl to items, and get it to do what you want.
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12:58 conan impossible
12:58 druthb You can easily say that "patron of category X can borrow no more than Z items from library Y", if you've got patron categories set up for that.
12:58 conan my patrons need to belong to a library
12:58 druthb They will belong to a library, sure.  but all of the patrons in category X need to belong to the *same* library.
13:00 conan hum... that will add complexity, I will need to set a different category for each same kind of patron to differentiate library they belong to
13:00 druthb Each patron will still have a branchcode, just as each item will still have a homebranch.  But one or the other of those branch codes is *not* going to be a factor in the circ map, as currently coded.   By making the categories monolithic, you work around it without adding the complexity into the circ map.
13:01 druthb yep.  It's not going to be *easy*, any way you go at it.
13:01 conan crap!
13:01 conan what about default_borrower_circ_rules? are they only used if I don't have anything defined previously?
13:01 druthb Build complex categories, or add a whole heap of complex code to the circ map, or convince libraries to simplify their circ rules.  (I've done the latter, more than once, but have done some of the first one, too)
13:02 druthb default_borrower_circ_rules primarily sets the maxima for a library--you use it to say, for library Y, a patron of category X may have no more than Z total items."
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13:06 conan druthb++
13:06 conan tough you didn't give me good news :P
13:07 conan I think I'll try to modify function TooMany
13:07 druthb thanx.  With that much complexity outside the system (in the librarian's head), then you're not going to have it easy *inside* the system, either.
13:07 wizzyrea @quote get 123
13:07 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
13:07 * druthb waves, and hits the door.
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13:08 wizzyrea bye!
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13:08 conan well maybe I put it complex, but in fact it's easy: we want to allow same quantity of books from each library, but we don't want an user to loan the maximum from all of them (there are 18 libraries currently, and they work as single system)
13:09 conan so that's why we need a grand total maximum
13:09 conan so nobody can checkout 4 items x 18 libraries = 72 items
13:09 conan (and then run away :P )
13:10 wizzyrea what system are you coming from?
13:11 conan wizzyrea: a bunch, I don't know them all yet
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13:11 wizzyrea ah
13:11 Brooke 0/
13:11 conan some homemade
13:11 wizzyrea hi brooke :)
13:11 conan hi Brooke
13:12 * conan dives into code
13:12 Brooke <3
13:12 wizzyrea better get your hipwaders on ;)
13:12 * wizzyrea teases
13:13 jwagner Morning all.  Has anyone tried RSS feeds in Chrome?  Unlike Firefox or IE, it doesn't ask you for a reader or subscription info, it just displays the feed immediately to the screen.
13:13 wizzyrea ya, it's mildly annoying.
13:13 jwagner I don't see anything in bugzilla referencing Chrome -- not sure if anyone has run into it before
13:13 wizzyrea but I think that's chrome, not koha
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13:13 wizzyrea i.e. firefox knows what to do with RSS feeds, chrome is not so smart
13:14 kmkale_ is now known as kmkale
13:14 jwagner that's what I was thinking.  Worth a bug report?  I doubt there's anything that can be done on the Koha end, but I know little/nothing about RSS in the first place
13:15 wizzyrea right, um... I don't think so because we're really waiting on chrome to get it's act together in that regard
13:15 wizzyrea I suppose we could hassle the chrome people about it :)
13:15 jwagner Nah....
13:17 jwagner Do you know if Chrome has problems with RSS from other sites?  Not sure where to test that offhand.
13:17 hdl1 conan: I hope the water is not too cool
13:17 wizzyrea yea, afaik it's every rss feed
13:18 jwagner Yeah, just found another site & tested.  Oh, well.  Thanks.
13:20 wizzyrea i like chrome, but sometimes it's lacking in (what I consider) basic functionality, such as "sanely handling rss feeds"
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13:25 hdl1 conan: it is done in biblibre git repository
13:25 hdl1 hope that helps. enjoy
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13:51 gmcharlt[…]e233f913e08e204a5
13:52 Brooke teee hee
13:52 Brooke menfolk
13:52 * Brooke laughs behind her hand.
13:53 gmcharlt Brooke: apropos of?
13:53 vfernandes joined #koha
13:53 * Brooke gets on back to beadin'.
13:53 * wizzyrea looks at the last 3 years, wonders what she's been working on.
13:53 vfernandes hi Koha community
13:54 magnuse hi vfernandes
13:54 vfernandes one little thing: Koha allows multi-edition of biblio records? change one field in all records?
13:58 wizzyrea batch edit biblio? not yet. batch edit items? Yep
13:58 vfernandes i know that edit items it's possible...
13:59 magnuse LibLime Koha 4.2 eh? did i miss that or is it really fresh?
13:59 wizzyrea quite fresh
13:59 vfernandes batch edit biblio would be a nice add to Koha :)
13:59 wizzyrea yep
13:59 Brooke deleting contribs = very fresh, indeed.
13:59 magnuse Brooke: hehe
14:00 wizzyrea cheeky, even. And not in a cute way.
14:00 magnuse yeah
14:00 magnuse and the-website-that-shall-not-be-mentioned has finally been completely butchered...
14:00 sekjal "Based on the ground-breaking 3.0 platform"
14:01 magnuse it ain't hip to be square...
14:01 magnuse oh well, not gonna waste energy on that
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14:02 Brooke 0/
14:04 hdl1 hi Brooke
14:04 Brooke :D
14:04 Brooke bonjour!
14:04 hdl1 wizzyrea: vfernandes : we proposed to the community batch edit of biblios
14:05 wizzyrea hdl: I remember
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14:12 vfernandes batch edit of biblios is not something trivial to do...
14:13 hdl1 vfernandes: nope...
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14:16 adnc rangi ping!
14:16 jwagner wizzyrea, one of my sites has pointed me to an add-on for Chrome that lets it handle RSS feeds:[…]nmkbbbdekmmmcbfjd
14:16 wizzyrea adnc, he's sleeping
14:16 paul_p I really love this commit :[…]e233f913e08e204a5 :(((((((
14:16 wizzyrea oo, good one
14:16 wizzyrea nice find
14:16 adnc does someone know if koha 3.4 is available with debian packages meanwhile?
14:16 adnc wizzyrea thanks ;)
14:16 wizzyrea I believe the commit for that just came through to open that up
14:16 * wizzyrea checks
14:17 wizzyrea yea, bug 6361
14:17 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6361 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade
14:17 adnc ohh so it is available
14:17 adnc nice
14:17 wizzyrea well I don't know about available
14:17 wizzyrea but work is commencing
14:18 hdl1 jwagner: hi
14:18 jwagner hi
14:18 adnc i see 3.2.9 is available
14:19 adnc but not 3.4
14:19 wizzyrea adnc: I sense that the release of the 3.4 packages is imminent
14:19 wizzyrea but perhaps not quite yet
14:19 wizzyrea maybe later today
14:19 adnc that would be great
14:20 wizzyrea that's a pretty big maybe
14:20 wizzyrea as in "things look like they're progressing, but I really have no timeline"
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14:38 library_systems_guy where has nengard been lately
14:38 wizzyrea travelling ;)
14:38 wizzyrea hi oleonard
14:38 library_systems_guy aww man
14:38 Brooke 0/
14:40 library_systems_guy so i was talking to hdl last night and it reminded me that during nengards training session she mentioned a library in the US that had implemented Drupal and Koha with SOPAC
14:40 library_systems_guy does anybody know what that library is?
14:40 kf hm
14:41 kf I remember something with f
14:41 wizzyrea darienlibrary?
14:41 kf ah, in the us
14:41 kf ignor eme
14:41 library_systems_guy lol well maybe im mistaken about the US bit
14:42 library_systems_guy but darien library looks very drupal-ish
14:42 wizzyrea i believe sopac was originally developed by Darien
14:42 wizzyrea
14:42 wizzyrea er
14:42 wizzyrea forget the forum bit :P
14:42 wizzyrea
14:42 library_systems_guy yeah that is what i have been reading for pointers
14:43 kf library_systems_guy: seen that?[…]-drupal-at-elag09
14:43 wahanui I haven't seen 'that', kf
14:43 wizzyrea forget that
14:43 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot that
14:43 wizzyrea that is <reply>
14:43 library_systems_guy i haven't seen that
14:43 library_systems_guy thanks kf
14:43 wizzyrea ah nicomo, I miss that guy
14:43 wizzyrea i hear he's doing well hto
14:43 wizzyrea tho*
14:47 kf ok, bye all :)
14:47 library_systems_guy bye kf
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14:58 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6373] The mandatory fields validation popup doesn't appear in IE8 <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6373>
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15:02 Oak \o
15:02 Brooke 0/
15:02 Oak Brooke !!! how are you? still awesome?
15:02 * Brooke blushes.
15:03 Oak :)
15:08 wizzyrea hmm
15:08 wizzyrea how can you make a field in the add items page mandatory (such as "collection code"
15:08 wizzyrea )
15:08 wizzyrea I tried editing the frameworks with the ccode subfield mandatory
15:08 wizzyrea but it doesn't seem to stick
15:09 wizzyrea rather, no value seems to be a valid value, thus it's always filled in even if it's not
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15:10 NCARMichael hi peeps
15:10 NCARMichael topic of today's inquiry: patron batch upload
15:10 wizzyrea hi NCARMichael
15:11 NCARMichael hi wiz
15:11 NCARMichael i've got the xls file open here (CSV file with all the columns)
15:11 NCARMichael trying to figure out which one is OPAC Login.
15:12 NCARMichael "userID" perhaps?
15:12 wizzyrea I think so, I'd have to check though
15:12 wizzyrea one mo
15:14 jwagner Yes, userid is the OPAC login.  Also the staff login if it's a staff account.
15:14 wizzyrea there you have it ;)
15:14 NCARMichael okay, cool.
15:15 NCARMichael and can i delete columns that i'm not using? or should i just leave em there.
15:15 wizzyrea leave em
15:15 NCARMichael okay
15:15 NCARMichael i'll try a sample and see if it works.
15:16 NCARMichael ttyl. grassy ass.
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15:16 Brooke ha
15:16 wizzyrea lol, grassy ass?
15:16 Brooke gracias
15:16 wizzyrea that's a new one
15:16 wizzyrea hmm
15:16 wizzyrea perhaps that doesn't translate so well into text >.>
15:16 jwagner Too late.  If you leave columns in place, and there's no data in them, and you're matching existing patrons, it wipes those fields
15:17 * wizzyrea checks her rear for grass
15:17 wizzyrea that is a good thing to know
15:17 jwagner Update .csv files should only include the fields that you want to update.
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15:21 sekjal hdl1: is aqorderdelivery deprecated?
15:21 hdl1 missing him too.
15:21 hdl1 oopps
15:22 hdl1 was refering to wizzyrea and nicomo
15:22 hdl1 i think so.... At least i have never seen that used on our instances...
15:22 sekjal it's only used in reports/
15:22 hdl1 this is why we dropped that.
15:23 Brooke five guys is callin' mah name again.
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15:24 sekjal hmmm, I was thinking of putting the voucher number into the aqorderdelivery table, but if it's not used anywhere, there wouldn't be much point
15:27 conan hdl1: I just read your comment, what's done in biblibre repo?
15:27 hdl1 C4/, network limitations
15:28 hdl1 the voucher number ? you mean invoice number ?
15:29 sekjal hdl1:  no, there is also an invoice number in the incoming data
15:29 sekjal invoice corresponds to the bill, and voucher (I think) to the payment
15:29 hdl1 o k
15:29 sekjal so I'm going to try mapping vouchernumber to aqorders.purchaseordernumber
15:30 conan hdl1: I mean your comment: 10:28:27                hdl1 | conan: it is done in biblibre git repository
15:30 conan after my talk to druthb
15:30 hdl1 sekjal: I would be quite interested to see the indian work on acquisitions
15:30 hdl1 conan: C4/, network limitations
15:30 hdl1 (what you said you wanted to do)
15:30 sekjal hdl1:  me, too
15:30 * conan checks biblibre repo...
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15:36 oleonard Bug 6374 was a good catch
15:36 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6374 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there)
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15:44 oleonard I'm confused by the mail on the Koha list, "MARC view in OPAC won't switch off"
15:45 oleonard Local Use OPACviewMARC preference?
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16:05 sekjal sounds like some kind of deprecated feature... checking git.k-c
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16:12 sekjal oleonard:  I'm only seeing reference to it in some of the translated system preference files.
16:15 oleonard http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/013315.html
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16:26 cait hi #koha
16:27 jwagner hi cait
16:27 cait hi jwagner :)
16:29 jwagner cait, I was dreaming in German last night, and I have no idea why.  I even understood it!
16:29 cait and you are sure it was German? :)
16:30 jwagner Sure sounded like it!
16:30 jwagner und Ich verstehe
16:30 jwagner (sort of)
16:30 cait wizzyrea++
16:30 cait hehe
16:30 wizzyrea ?!
16:30 cait was it nice or more a nightmare?
16:30 cait your tweet
16:30 wizzyrea OH Yes. :)
16:30 cait speaks right from my heart
16:31 jwagner Kind of neutral.  I've also been known to dream in Perl.  My sleeping brain is a much better linguist than my awake brain.
16:31 wizzyrea i bet you've solved lots of problems that way :)
16:31 cait when I have a programming problem I can't solve I always dream about it
16:32 cait weird dreams, like walking in labyrinths
16:32 wizzyrea mine are always in metaphors
16:32 jwagner Yes, I've often dreamed about programming problems, and woke up with a solution in mind.  Useful talent :-)
16:33 wizzyrea the dog = the problem whatever he's chasing = the solution, for example
16:39 rhcl If we wanted to create a menu item in Koha with multiselect, what is the current best practices--to use a shift-click for multiple items in the menu, or to have two fields, one listing all possible options with highlighting of items and moving them to the next field?
16:39 wizzyrea 2nd has more occurrences
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16:40 cait guided reports?
16:40 rhcl aogle: I just asked what the best method for multiselect is
16:40 oleonard rhcl: I don't think you can reasonably ask many users to "shift-click"
16:40 cait does second I think
16:40 cait redmine does the shift click thing
16:40 larryb is now known as larryb_away
16:40 oleonard Notices is another place that does multiselect
16:41 cait our new ticket syste, I like it, but perhaps owen is right
16:41 wizzyrea i personally prefer moving them, less chance for error
16:41 rhcl my inclination is to do shift or control-click, cause the code is easier :)
16:42 rhcl but if the other method is preferable....
16:42 oleonard Yeah, selecting a bunch of things and then losing your selection is a pain
16:43 rhcl 'k. It's settled then.
16:43 wizzyrea just curious what's it for?
16:45 * oleonard is reminded of Bug 3125
16:45 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3125 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7: Selected columns list in Reports Dictionary is not showing column names.
16:45 rhcl When we run tools->export (, we need the ability to pull multiple items from the itemtype, 'cause we have both books and magazines in the same db, with magazines identified by itemtype magazine, and when we do an OCLC pull we need to get everything but magazines
16:45 wizzyrea aha
16:49 oleonard Who's playing version numbering games wizzyrea ?
16:50 * cait wondered too
16:53 oleonard PTFS--
16:53 oleonard Liblime--
16:54 oleonard saying_fuck_you_to_the_community--
16:55 conan by doing: git remote add biblibre git://
16:56 conan Am I really getting the biblibre repo?
16:56 conan or is in some other place?
16:56 conan I added it, I fetched, and then I checked out some branch from biblibre
16:57 sekjal conan:  that's the copy of their repo on the Koha git site.  they have their own repo, as well
16:57 conan but I can't find what hdl told me is there
16:57 conan sekjal: hum... and the copy is updated?
16:57 sekjal found at: git://
16:57 sekjal not sure if the Koha site repo is synced to the repo, or how often
16:58 * conan is cloning...
16:59 cait conan: there is a page on the wiki with the urls of the public repos
17:01 conan cait: I was checking this one:
17:02 cait conan: was talking about the
17:05 conan cait: you mean this one ?[…]_Git_Repositories
17:05 cait yep
17:05 conan the url from sekjal is not there
17:05 conan only the local copies
17:05 oleonard Anyone know how get a list of bugs which *don't* have a dependency?
17:06 conan cait: scratch taht
17:06 cait oleonard: never tried it sorry
17:07 * oleonard would like to filter out such bugs from the "needs signoff" report
17:07 cait have you looked at the advanced options?
17:07 sekjal oleonard:  under Custom Search in advanced search, you can match on 'depends on' 'is equal to' and then a blank
17:07 cait you want to get rid of those that are blocked by something else, right?
17:08 oleonard sekjal: Oh, a blank will work?
17:08 sekjal yes, I believe so
17:08 sekjal did this search:[…]&type0-0-0=equals
17:08 sekjal and got some results instead of an error
17:08 sekjal though I think it may be the OPPOSITE of what I was after.... hmmm
17:09 sekjal oh, phooey, nevermind.... doesnt' work like that
17:09 sekjal perhaps as a regex to match digits?
17:09 oleonard Yeah, it didn't change the number of results
17:10 oleonard The bigger problem is that all the stuff on the signoff list is *hard*
17:10 sekjal perhaps 'is greater than 1'?
17:12 * conan sees beautiful code @ biblibre
17:12 conan hdl++
17:15 conan gotta run, bye
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17:16 vfernandes bye people :)
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17:43 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6375] Markup and style corrections for overdue report <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6375>
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18:54 wizzyrea hi hankbank :)
19:17 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6346] Patron search results should be valigned top <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6346>
19:23 magnuse g'night #koha
19:23 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
19:27 cait sweet dreams magnuse
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19:41 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6309] subscription table sorter in the opac <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6309>
19:42 oleonard ^ new and improved.
19:42 cait :)
19:42 oleonard And by "improved" I mean "not broken."
19:44 cait fixing_things++
19:44 cait oleonard++
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19:47 cait one bug signed off... where is the next
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19:50 rangi yay finally
19:51 * rangi wanders off to breakfast
19:53 cait ?
19:53 * cait wonders if this was a rangi ghost
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20:08 larryb .part
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20:13 joethoks sue the bastards
20:13 joethoks oh and hello
20:14 wizzyrea heh
20:18 * oleonard decides to replace all of Koha's audio cues with sound effects from 8-bit video games
20:18 * wizzyrea giggles
20:21 talljoyaway is now known as talljoy_
20:24 joethoks quake?
20:24 oleonard quake isn't 8-bit, but I'm all for it
20:25 cait pong?
20:25 wizzyrea shooting the bejesus out of aliens seems appealing right now
20:25 wizzyrea erm, extraterrestrial aliens, that is.
20:26 wizzyrea check out "bleep!"
20:26 wizzyrea check in "bloop!"
20:26 wizzyrea hold found "beep boop beep!"
20:27 cait hmpf
20:27 cait oleonard: still around?
20:27 oleonard Yes
20:27 cait I am looking at 6347
20:27 cait bug 6347
20:27 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Bug in stopping item level holds
20:28 cait and the item level hold option shows up but the table seems to be very broken
20:28 cait and I can't save it saying that I have not chosen an item
20:28 cait weird
20:29 oleonard I can look at it tomorrow. I have to leave now.
20:29 * oleonard shall return.
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20:29 cait k
20:30 cait it blocks another sign-off
20:30 cait and it's evil
20:30 cait have a nice evening :)
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20:43 joethoks quake is the one with all the splats and blooches
21:01 rhcl[…]-the-library.html
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21:56 wizzyrea bbl friends :)
21:57 rhcl bye
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23:30 sekjal good evening, #koha
23:31 Space_Librarian evening sekjal
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