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23:31 Space_Librarian evening sekjal
23:30 sekjal good evening, #koha
21:57 rhcl bye
21:56 wizzyrea bbl friends :)
21:01 rhcl http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2011/05/the-future-of-the-library.html
20:43 joethoks quake is the one with all the splats and blooches
20:30 cait have a nice evening :)
20:30 cait and it's evil
20:30 cait it blocks another sign-off
20:29 cait k
20:29 * oleonard shall return.
20:29 oleonard I can look at it tomorrow. I have to leave now.
20:28 cait weird
20:28 cait and I can't save it saying that I have not chosen an item
20:28 cait and the item level hold option shows up but the table seems to be very broken
20:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Bug in opac-reserve.pl stopping item level holds
20:27 cait bug 6347
20:27 cait I am looking at 6347
20:27 oleonard Yes
20:27 cait oleonard: still around?
20:27 cait hmpf
20:26 wizzyrea hold found "beep boop beep!"
20:26 wizzyrea check in "bloop!"
20:26 wizzyrea check out "bleep!"
20:25 wizzyrea erm, extraterrestrial aliens, that is.
20:25 wizzyrea shooting the bejesus out of aliens seems appealing right now
20:25 cait pong?
20:24 oleonard quake isn't 8-bit, but I'm all for it
20:24 joethoks quake?
20:18 * wizzyrea giggles
20:18 * oleonard decides to replace all of Koha's audio cues with sound effects from 8-bit video games
20:14 wizzyrea heh
20:13 joethoks oh and hello
20:13 joethoks sue the bastards
20:08 larryb .part
19:53 * cait wonders if this was a rangi ghost
19:53 cait ?
19:51 * rangi wanders off to breakfast
19:50 rangi yay finally
19:47 cait one bug signed off... where is the next
19:44 cait oleonard++
19:44 cait fixing_things++
19:42 oleonard And by "improved" I mean "not broken."
19:42 cait :)
19:42 oleonard ^ new and improved.
19:41 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6309] subscription table sorter in the opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6309>
19:27 cait sweet dreams magnuse
19:23 magnuse g'night #koha
19:17 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6346] Patron search results should be valigned top <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6346>
18:54 wizzyrea hi hankbank :)
17:43 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6375] Markup and style corrections for overdue report <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6375>
17:16 vfernandes bye people :)
17:15 conan gotta run, bye
17:12 conan hdl++
17:12 * conan sees beautiful code @ biblibre
17:10 sekjal perhaps 'is greater than 1'?
17:10 oleonard The bigger problem is that all the stuff on the signoff list is *hard*
17:09 oleonard Yeah, it didn't change the number of results
17:09 sekjal perhaps as a regex to match digits?
17:09 sekjal oh, phooey, nevermind.... doesnt' work like that
17:08 sekjal though I think it may be the OPPOSITE of what I was after.... hmmm
17:08 sekjal and got some results instead of an error
17:08 sekjal did this search: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?list_id=6033&field0-0-0=dependson&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=equals
17:08 sekjal yes, I believe so
17:08 oleonard sekjal: Oh, a blank will work?
17:07 cait you want to get rid of those that are blocked by something else, right?
17:07 sekjal oleonard: under Custom Search in advanced search, you can match on 'depends on' 'is equal to' and then a blank
17:07 cait have you looked at the advanced options?
17:07 * oleonard would like to filter out such bugs from the "needs signoff" report
17:06 cait oleonard: never tried it sorry
17:06 conan cait: scratch taht
17:05 oleonard Anyone know how get a list of bugs which *don't* have a dependency?
17:05 conan only the local copies
17:05 conan the url from sekjal is not there
17:05 cait yep
17:05 conan cait: you mean this one ? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_Git_Repositories
17:02 cait conan: was talking about the wiki.koha-community.org
17:01 conan cait: I was checking this one: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
16:59 cait conan: there is a page on the wiki with the urls of the public repos
16:58 * conan is cloning...
16:57 sekjal not sure if the Koha site repo is synced to the biblibre.com repo, or how often
16:57 sekjal found at: git://git.biblibre.com/koha_biblibre.git
16:57 conan sekjal: hum... and the copy is updated?
16:57 conan but I can't find what hdl told me is there
16:57 sekjal conan: that's the copy of their repo on the Koha git site. they have their own repo, as well
16:56 conan I added it, I fetched, and then I checked out some branch from biblibre
16:56 conan or is in some other place?
16:56 conan Am I really getting the biblibre repo?
16:55 conan by doing: git remote add biblibre git://git.koha-community.org/wip/koha-biblibre.git
16:54 oleonard saying_fuck_you_to_the_community--
16:53 oleonard Liblime--
16:53 oleonard PTFS--
16:50 * cait wondered too
16:49 oleonard Who's playing version numbering games wizzyrea ?
16:45 wizzyrea aha
16:45 rhcl When we run tools->export (export.pl), we need the ability to pull multiple items from the itemtype, 'cause we have both books and magazines in the same db, with magazines identified by itemtype magazine, and when we do an OCLC pull we need to get everything but magazines
16:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3125 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7: Selected columns list in Reports Dictionary is not showing column names.
16:45 * oleonard is reminded of Bug 3125
16:43 wizzyrea just curious what's it for?
16:43 rhcl 'k. It's settled then.
16:42 oleonard Yeah, selecting a bunch of things and then losing your selection is a pain
16:42 rhcl but if the other method is preferable....
16:41 rhcl my inclination is to do shift or control-click, cause the code is easier :)
16:41 wizzyrea i personally prefer moving them, less chance for error
16:41 cait our new ticket syste, I like it, but perhaps owen is right
16:40 oleonard Notices is another place that does multiselect
16:40 cait redmine does the shift click thing
16:40 cait does second I think
16:40 oleonard rhcl: I don't think you can reasonably ask many users to "shift-click"
16:40 rhcl aogle: I just asked what the best method for multiselect is
16:40 cait guided reports?
16:39 wizzyrea 2nd has more occurrences
16:39 rhcl If we wanted to create a menu item in Koha with multiselect, what is the current best practices--to use a shift-click for multiple items in the menu, or to have two fields, one listing all possible options with highlighting of items and moving them to the next field?
16:33 wizzyrea the dog = the problem whatever he's chasing = the solution, for example
16:32 jwagner Yes, I've often dreamed about programming problems, and woke up with a solution in mind. Useful talent :-)
16:32 wizzyrea mine are always in metaphors
16:32 cait weird dreams, like walking in labyrinths
16:31 cait when I have a programming problem I can't solve I always dream about it
16:31 wizzyrea i bet you've solved lots of problems that way :)
16:31 jwagner Kind of neutral. I've also been known to dream in Perl. My sleeping brain is a much better linguist than my awake brain.
16:30 cait speaks right from my heart
16:30 wizzyrea OH Yes. :)
16:30 cait your tweet
16:30 cait was it nice or more a nightmare?
16:30 wizzyrea ?!
16:30 cait hehe
16:30 cait wizzyrea++
16:30 jwagner (sort of)
16:30 jwagner und Ich verstehe
16:30 jwagner Sure sounded like it!
16:29 cait and you are sure it was German? :)
16:29 jwagner cait, I was dreaming in German last night, and I have no idea why. I even understood it!
16:27 cait hi jwagner :)
16:27 jwagner hi cait
16:26 cait hi #koha
16:15 oleonard http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-December/013315.html
16:12 sekjal oleonard: I'm only seeing reference to it in some of the translated system preference files.
16:05 sekjal sounds like some kind of deprecated feature... checking git.k-c
15:45 oleonard Local Use OPACviewMARC preference?
15:44 oleonard I'm confused by the mail on the Koha list, "MARC view in OPAC won't switch off"
15:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6374 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there)
15:36 oleonard Bug 6374 was a good catch
15:30 * conan checks biblibre repo...
15:30 sekjal hdl1: me, too
15:30 hdl1 (what you said you wanted to do)
15:30 hdl1 conan: C4/Circulation.pm, network limitations
15:30 hdl1 sekjal: I would be quite interested to see the indian work on acquisitions
15:30 conan after my talk to druthb
15:30 conan hdl1: I mean your comment: 10:28:27 hdl1 | conan: it is done in biblibre git repository
15:29 sekjal so I'm going to try mapping vouchernumber to aqorders.purchaseordernumber
15:29 hdl1 o k
15:29 sekjal invoice corresponds to the bill, and voucher (I think) to the payment
15:29 sekjal hdl1: no, there is also an invoice number in the incoming data
15:28 hdl1 the voucher number ? you mean invoice number ?
15:27 hdl1 C4/Circulation.pm, network limitations
15:27 conan hdl1: I just read your comment, what's done in biblibre repo?
15:24 sekjal hmmm, I was thinking of putting the voucher number into the aqorderdelivery table, but if it's not used anywhere, there wouldn't be much point
15:23 Brooke five guys is callin' mah name again.
15:22 hdl1 this is why we dropped that.
15:22 sekjal it's only used in reports/acquisitions-stats.pl
15:22 hdl1 i think so.... At least i have never seen that used on our instances...
15:22 hdl1 was refering to wizzyrea and nicomo
15:21 hdl1 oopps
15:21 hdl1 missing him too.
15:21 sekjal hdl1: is aqorderdelivery deprecated?
15:17 jwagner Update .csv files should only include the fields that you want to update.
15:17 wizzyrea that is a good thing to know
15:17 * wizzyrea checks her rear for grass
15:16 jwagner Too late. If you leave columns in place, and there's no data in them, and you're matching existing patrons, it wipes those fields
15:16 wizzyrea perhaps that doesn't translate so well into text >.>
15:16 wizzyrea hmm
15:16 wizzyrea that's a new one
15:16 Brooke gracias
15:16 wizzyrea lol, grassy ass?
15:16 Brooke ha
15:16 NCARMichael ttyl. grassy ass.
15:15 NCARMichael i'll try a sample and see if it works.
15:15 NCARMichael okay
15:15 wizzyrea leave em
15:15 NCARMichael and can i delete columns that i'm not using? or should i just leave em there.
15:14 NCARMichael okay, cool.
15:14 wizzyrea there you have it ;)
15:14 jwagner Yes, userid is the OPAC login. Also the staff login if it's a staff account.
15:12 wizzyrea one mo
15:12 wizzyrea I think so, I'd have to check though
15:12 NCARMichael "userID" perhaps?
15:11 NCARMichael trying to figure out which one is OPAC Login.
15:11 NCARMichael i've got the xls file open here (CSV file with all the columns)
15:11 NCARMichael hi wiz
15:10 wizzyrea hi NCARMichael
15:10 NCARMichael topic of today's inquiry: patron batch upload
15:10 NCARMichael hi peeps
15:09 wizzyrea rather, no value seems to be a valid value, thus it's always filled in even if it's not
15:08 wizzyrea but it doesn't seem to stick
15:08 wizzyrea I tried editing the frameworks with the ccode subfield mandatory
15:08 wizzyrea )
15:08 wizzyrea how can you make a field in the add items page mandatory (such as "collection code"
15:08 wizzyrea hmm
15:03 Oak :)
15:02 * Brooke blushes.
15:02 Oak Brooke !!! how are you? still awesome?
15:02 Brooke 0/
15:02 Oak \o
14:58 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6373] The mandatory fields validation popup doesn't appear in IE8 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6373>
14:47 library_systems_guy bye kf
14:47 kf ok, bye all :)
14:43 wizzyrea tho*
14:43 wizzyrea i hear he's doing well hto
14:43 wizzyrea ah nicomo, I miss that guy
14:43 library_systems_guy thanks kf
14:43 library_systems_guy i haven't seen that
14:43 wizzyrea that is <reply>
14:43 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot that
14:43 wizzyrea forget that
14:43 wahanui I haven't seen 'that', kf
14:43 kf library_systems_guy: seen that? http://www.slideshare.net/nicomo/sopac-koha-et-drupal-at-elag09
14:42 library_systems_guy yeah that is what i have been reading for pointers
14:42 wizzyrea http://thesocialopac.net/
14:42 wizzyrea forget the forum bit :P
14:42 wizzyrea er
14:42 wizzyrea http://thesocialopac.net/forum/16
14:42 wizzyrea i believe sopac was originally developed by Darien
14:42 library_systems_guy but darien library looks very drupal-ish
14:41 library_systems_guy lol well maybe im mistaken about the US bit
14:41 kf ignor eme
14:41 kf ah, in the us
14:41 wizzyrea darienlibrary?
14:41 kf I remember something with f
14:40 kf hm
14:40 library_systems_guy does anybody know what that library is?
14:40 library_systems_guy so i was talking to hdl last night and it reminded me that during nengards training session she mentioned a library in the US that had implemented Drupal and Koha with SOPAC
14:38 Brooke 0/
14:38 library_systems_guy aww man
14:38 wizzyrea hi oleonard
14:38 wizzyrea travelling ;)
14:38 library_systems_guy where has nengard been lately
14:20 wizzyrea as in "things look like they're progressing, but I really have no timeline"
14:20 wizzyrea that's a pretty big maybe
14:19 adnc that would be great
14:19 wizzyrea maybe later today
14:19 wizzyrea but perhaps not quite yet
14:19 wizzyrea adnc: I sense that the release of the 3.4 packages is imminent
14:19 adnc but not 3.4
14:18 adnc i see 3.2.9 is available
14:18 jwagner hi
14:18 hdl1 jwagner: hi
14:17 wizzyrea but work is commencing
14:17 wizzyrea well I don't know about available
14:17 adnc nice
14:17 adnc ohh so it is available
14:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade
14:17 wizzyrea yea, bug 6361
14:16 * wizzyrea checks
14:16 wizzyrea I believe the commit for that just came through to open that up
14:16 adnc wizzyrea thanks ;)
14:16 adnc does someone know if koha 3.4 is available with debian packages meanwhile?
14:16 wizzyrea nice find
14:16 wizzyrea oo, good one
14:16 paul_p I really love this commit : https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/commit/80cccbd027a950152114a69e233f913e08e204a5 :(((((((
14:16 wizzyrea adnc, he's sleeping
14:16 jwagner wizzyrea, one of my sites has pointed me to an add-on for Chrome that lets it handle RSS feeds: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nlbjncdgjeocebhnmkbbbdekmmmcbfjd
14:16 adnc rangi ping!
14:13 hdl1 vfernandes: nope...
14:12 vfernandes batch edit of biblios is not something trivial to do...
14:05 wizzyrea hdl: I remember
14:04 hdl1 wizzyrea: vfernandes : we proposed to the community batch edit of biblios
14:04 Brooke bonjour!
14:04 Brooke :D
14:04 hdl1 hi Brooke
14:02 Brooke 0/
14:01 magnuse oh well, not gonna waste energy on that
14:01 magnuse it ain't hip to be square...
14:00 sekjal "Based on the ground-breaking 3.0 platform"
14:00 magnuse and the-website-that-shall-not-be-mentioned has finally been completely butchered...
14:00 magnuse yeah
14:00 wizzyrea cheeky, even. And not in a cute way.
13:59 magnuse Brooke: hehe
13:59 Brooke deleting contribs = very fresh, indeed.
13:59 wizzyrea yep
13:59 vfernandes batch edit biblio would be a nice add to Koha :)
13:59 wizzyrea quite fresh
13:59 magnuse LibLime Koha 4.2 eh? did i miss that or is it really fresh?
13:58 vfernandes i know that edit items it's possible...
13:58 wizzyrea batch edit biblio? not yet. batch edit items? Yep
13:54 vfernandes one little thing: Koha allows multi-edition of biblio records? change one field in all records?
13:54 magnuse hi vfernandes
13:53 vfernandes hi Koha community
13:53 * wizzyrea looks at the last 3 years, wonders what she's been working on.
13:53 * Brooke gets on back to beadin'.
13:53 gmcharlt Brooke: apropos of?
13:52 * Brooke laughs behind her hand.
13:52 Brooke menfolk
13:52 Brooke teee hee
13:51 gmcharlt https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/commit/80cccbd027a950152114a69e233f913e08e204a5
13:25 hdl1 hope that helps. enjoy
13:25 hdl1 conan: it is done in biblibre git repository
13:20 wizzyrea i like chrome, but sometimes it's lacking in (what I consider) basic functionality, such as "sanely handling rss feeds"
13:18 jwagner Yeah, just found another site & tested. Oh, well. Thanks.
13:17 wizzyrea yea, afaik it's every rss feed
13:17 hdl1 conan: I hope the water is not too cool
13:17 jwagner Do you know if Chrome has problems with RSS from other sites? Not sure where to test that offhand.
13:15 jwagner Nah....
13:15 wizzyrea I suppose we could hassle the chrome people about it :)
13:15 wizzyrea right, um... I don't think so because we're really waiting on chrome to get it's act together in that regard
13:14 jwagner that's what I was thinking. Worth a bug report? I doubt there's anything that can be done on the Koha end, but I know little/nothing about RSS in the first place
13:13 wizzyrea i.e. firefox knows what to do with RSS feeds, chrome is not so smart
13:13 wizzyrea but I think that's chrome, not koha
13:13 jwagner I don't see anything in bugzilla referencing Chrome -- not sure if anyone has run into it before
13:13 wizzyrea ya, it's mildly annoying.
13:13 jwagner Morning all. Has anyone tried RSS feeds in Chrome? Unlike Firefox or IE, it doesn't ask you for a reader or subscription info, it just displays the feed immediately to the screen.
13:12 * wizzyrea teases
13:12 wizzyrea better get your hipwaders on ;)
13:12 Brooke <3
13:12 * conan dives into Circulation.pm code
13:11 conan hi Brooke
13:11 wizzyrea hi brooke :)
13:11 conan some homemade
13:11 Brooke 0/
13:11 wizzyrea ah
13:11 conan wizzyrea: a bunch, I don't know them all yet
13:10 wizzyrea what system are you coming from?
13:09 conan (and then run away :P )
13:09 conan so nobody can checkout 4 items x 18 libraries = 72 items
13:09 conan so that's why we need a grand total maximum
13:08 conan well maybe I put it complex, but in fact it's easy: we want to allow same quantity of books from each library, but we don't want an user to loan the maximum from all of them (there are 18 libraries currently, and they work as single system)
13:08 wizzyrea bye!
13:07 * druthb waves, and hits the door.
13:07 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
13:07 wizzyrea @quote get 123
13:07 druthb thanx. With that much complexity outside the system (in the librarian's head), then you're not going to have it easy *inside* the system, either.
13:07 conan I think I'll try to modify function TooMany
13:06 conan tough you didn't give me good news :P
13:06 conan druthb++
13:02 druthb default_borrower_circ_rules primarily sets the maxima for a library--you use it to say, for library Y, a patron of category X may have no more than Z total items."
13:01 druthb Build complex categories, or add a whole heap of complex code to the circ map, or convince libraries to simplify their circ rules. (I've done the latter, more than once, but have done some of the first one, too)
13:01 conan what about default_borrower_circ_rules? are they only used if I don't have anything defined previously?
13:01 conan crap!
13:01 druthb yep. It's not going to be *easy*, any way you go at it.
13:00 druthb Each patron will still have a branchcode, just as each item will still have a homebranch. But one or the other of those branch codes is *not* going to be a factor in the circ map, as currently coded. By making the categories monolithic, you work around it without adding the complexity into the circ map.
13:00 conan hum... that will add complexity, I will need to set a different category for each same kind of patron to differentiate library they belong to
12:58 druthb They will belong to a library, sure. but all of the patrons in category X need to belong to the *same* library.
12:58 conan my patrons need to belong to a library
12:58 druthb You can easily say that "patron of category X can borrow no more than Z items from library Y", if you've got patron categories set up for that.
12:58 conan impossible
12:57 druthb No, I'm telling you that "is from library X" is either a patron thing, or an item thing, in the circ rules, depending on CircControl, but both is not in there. There are workarounds--if you make sure that all patron categories are filled with people from a single library, then you could set CircControl to items, and get it to do what you want.
12:56 conan I'm not sure I'm following you, are you telling me that this cannot be done the way koha works currently?
12:55 * druthb normally sets CircControl to item library, in her installations, since setting it to patron library breaks minds a lot.
12:54 druthb CircControl lets you do one or the other, but not both.
12:54 druthb yes, but then you don't have "the item is from..."
12:54 conan select ... where categorycode = ? and itemtype = ? and branchcode = ?
12:53 conan the check for an issuing rules is like this:
12:52 conan druthb: hum... if you choose PatronLibrary for CircControl then you get branch from patron to check
12:51 conan one rule to check for a grand total
12:51 conan so I need normal circulation rules plus...
12:51 druthb conan: the biggest part of what you want that is foreign to Koha is "the patron is from..." As I said yesterday (was it yesterday?), the circ map doesn't know or care about that. Once you get that in there, both in issuingrules and in default_borrower_circ_rules, then what you want should be doable.
12:50 conan yeah, the 123 quote! that's easy to remember
12:50 conan but I never reach them because we need to establish the rules for every library, and so, Circulation->GetIssuingRule always matches something
12:49 conan I thought I could implement that by using default_borrower_circ_rules
12:48 conan but if patron is from libA and item is from libB, AND patron already checked out 4 items from libA, he can only take 3 items from libB, for a total of 7 items
12:47 conan if patron is from libA and item is from libB, patron can take 4 items
12:47 huginn` druthb: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:47 druthb @quote get 123
12:47 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
12:47 huginn` druthb: 1 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..."
12:47 druthb @quote search scheme
12:47 conan (I'm simplfying the item part, assuming is the same)
12:46 conan if patron is from library A and item is from library A, patron can take 4 items
12:46 conan what we need here is this schema:
12:45 conan and now I know I cannot use it without source modification, unless I'm completely wrong, of course
12:45 conan I think I have finally grasped the circulation rules inner working
12:44 conan how what's that cite about mad library schemes?
12:17 matts np, good luck :)
12:17 kmkale sure. And thanks matts
12:17 matts anyhow, I'd be glad to hear back from you on that subject
12:17 kmkale :) always
12:16 matts but finding a spec sheet would be better, imho
12:16 matts yes, such a thing is possible
12:16 kmkale there are enough example clients around which I can hack
12:15 kmkale Ok. I will attempt too write a generic client and catch the POST and then see whats inside. by looping over the params. ( If such a thing is possible )
12:15 matts And I had a quick look on the internet to find out, but couldn't find any usefull info
12:14 kmkale ohh..
12:13 matts But I don't know what's the name of the parameter to look for to, nor the content it's supposed to have
12:13 matts hmm, i guess it's the same : $query->param('myparam');
12:08 kmkale humph. How do I generally catch a POST request in opac-user.pl? as separate from the usual GET once we get in the query parameter?
12:07 matts kmkale, problem is i don't know what's in that logout post...
12:04 kmkale If you can tell me how to catch the POST in opac-user.pl, I can attempt to hack it from there
12:04 matts And unfortunately, i've got no time right now to enhance the CAS feature
12:03 matts http://esup-casgeneric.sourceforge.net/index.html
12:03 matts yeah, but i used esup cas server
12:01 kmkale matts: there is a additional configuration to be done for single sign out as shown in https://wiki.jasig.org/display/CASC/Configuring+Single+Sign+Out
12:00 kf hi druthb and conan
11:57 conan good morning all
11:56 druthb hi, kf. :)
11:56 kf hi #koha
11:55 matts the trick is that the CAS server i used when coding CAS authentication does not seem to support single-sign-out...
11:46 kmkale been looking at both files. Can't figure out how to catch the POST and the security assertion it contains. :(
11:44 matts hmm, my first guess would be to tweak opac-user.pl to catch that post, then modify C4/Auth_with_cas.pm to disconnect the user when such a POST is caught.
11:40 kmkale Is it possible to handle the POST in opac-user.pl and logout the user? If yes how?
11:39 kmkale since Koha's logout url is different e.g. /cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl?logout.x=1
11:39 matts yeah, you're probably right, i don't remember implementing such thing
11:38 kmkale but it seems this POST is not handled in Koha
11:38 kmkale CAS server calls the service url registered with the ticket e.g. "POST /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl HTTP/1.1" 200 8537 "-" "Java/1.5.0_22"
11:38 matts hmmm, let me check
11:37 kmkale yup
11:37 kmkale but if I log out of CAS I don't get loggged out of Koha
11:37 kmkale when I log out of Koha, I get logged out of CAS too
11:36 kmkale Yes that works fine
11:36 matts oh, it's the opposite you want, i see
11:36 matts there's a syspref that disconnect from the whole CAS authentication if you disconnect from koha...
11:36 kmkale When a user signs out of CAS s/he is not signed out of Koha
11:36 matts ok
11:35 kmkale But can't get the single sign out working
11:35 kmkale I have CAS + Koha single sign on working
11:35 kmkale hi matts
11:35 wahanui privet, wizzyrea
11:35 wizzyrea hi
11:33 matts what is your problem exactly ?
11:33 matts hello kmkale
10:54 kmkale ouch!!
10:53 huginn` kmkale: matts was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <matts> hello #koha
10:53 kmkale @seen matts
10:53 kmkale matts around?
10:38 kmkale please hdl1 much appreciated if he can chat and give me a few tips
10:37 kmkale need help
10:37 kmkale but I am having trouble with single sign out
10:37 kmkale I have got CAS auth and SSO working
10:37 hdl1 I will ask him to answer you
10:37 hdl1 did
10:36 hdl1 kmkale: yes he ded
10:36 kmkale matts: did you work on CAS auth code?
10:30 kmkale :)
10:28 * druthb waves to kmkale
10:26 kmkale hi hdl1
10:26 kmkale hi druthb
10:11 druthb hi, hdl1. :)
10:06 hdl1 hi druthb
10:05 druthb o/
09:29 magnuse good night eythian :-)
09:12 eythian now I can go home.
09:12 eythian 3.4 master packages published into squeeze-devfor anyone who wants to give the new bits a test run.
08:02 eythian it's not the rebuild that's doing that, it's the items thing
08:01 eythian oh wait...
08:01 magnuse wow, that sounds weird
08:01 eythian I'm surprised I haven't seen that before.
08:01 eythian and it still gave an XML dump.
08:01 eythian well that's odd, I get the same error when doing it with usmarc. Though, it didn't seem to cause it to die.
08:00 eythian hehe, full agreement from me there
07:59 magnuse #marcmustdie
07:59 magnuse worth a try
07:59 eythian Going to try it again using usmarc instead of XML
07:58 eythian yeah
07:58 magnuse and it looks like empty indicators shouldn't be a problem
07:57 magnuse yeah
07:57 eythian but, it has indicators...
07:57 eythian yeah
07:57 magnuse weird that the error is " must have indicators" if the subfields are the problem?
07:55 eythian I wonder if it's unhappy about having no subfields (which is a legitimate issue I guess.)
07:55 eythian </datafield>
07:55 eythian <datafield tag="111" ind1="2" ind2=" ">
07:55 eythian where 111 is
07:55 eythian problem with :36093 : Field 111 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92
07:55 eythian hmm, curious error in a zebra rebuild:
07:52 magnuse :-)
07:52 eythian (although, I'd have to study up on how translations work first)
07:51 eythian but at the least I'd like to have it building the ones that are in git.
07:51 magnuse yeah, updates might be a problem...
07:51 magnuse ooh, sounds like a good idea, for sure!
07:50 eythian I'm not quite sure how to handle merging that with updates though.
07:50 eythian My thinking was that there could be a set of standard translations that come from git like normal and become packages. Then perhaps a script that alters them for local changes or something.
07:49 magnuse cool
07:49 magnuse without requiring a new package for every iteration of a translation?
07:49 eythian there's no reason to not be able to do both.
07:49 magnuse could it be possible to build on the translate script, so you had a command that installed new translations?
07:48 magnuse seems to me that makes it hard to update translations...
07:48 eythian yeah
07:48 magnuse so one package per language?
07:45 eythian I think it's just a matter of generating the translations during the build process, and writing them into their own package.
07:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4513] Resetting framework to Default seems impossible <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4513>
07:44 magnuse thanks ;-)
07:44 eythian so wise :)
07:43 magnuse hehe, skip the first one and go straight to the second, then...
07:42 eythian I don't think it would be terribly difficult. Doing the first one would be hard, but the rest would be copy-paste.
07:40 magnuse do you know if it will be hard to do?
07:40 eythian I really need to get this finished tonight as tomorrow I just realised I'm going to be away for most of the day helping out at a career expo.
07:40 magnuse :-)
07:40 eythian yeah, same here if I had lots of spare time :)
07:39 magnuse if i had lots of cash lying around i would have been happy to fund that...
07:38 magnuse that would be sooo cool
07:38 eythian yeah, I really want to make language packs, so you can install koha-translations-no for example.
07:38 magnuse i cant wait to have a go at creating packages that has norwegian tranlsations
07:37 eythian hoping to get the patches out, and a build against master in the -dev repo for people to try out.
07:37 magnuse nice
07:37 eythian and when you install it, it tells you that you should run that if you're upgrading.
07:36 magnuse cool
07:36 eythian among other things, it adds /usr/sbin/koha-upgrade-to-3.4 which does the items removing stuff.
07:35 eythian so I'll make them for 3.4.1 when it's out, all going well.
07:35 eythian at the moment they apply against both master and 3.4.x
07:34 magnuse 3.4 or 3.4.1?
07:34 magnuse yay!
07:34 eythian packages for 3.4 are coming together.
07:23 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6365] Missing information about tab number when mandatory fields unfilled <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6365>
07:06 magnuse bonjour biblibre
06:38 cait thx ;)
06:37 eythian you too ;)
06:37 cait have a nice evening eythian
06:37 cait but it works now, so all is ok :)
06:37 cait this laptop is really old, probably something in the hardware ubuntu is not too happy about?
06:36 eythian no, that's not so normal
06:36 cait time for work
06:36 cait ok
06:36 cait know it's not what normally should happen
06:35 cait last 2 times I updated I ended up on command line with a blinking grub>
06:35 cait hehe
06:35 eythian awesome :)
06:35 cait laptop survived updating this time
06:35 cait yay :)
06:31 mib_cdt ok thanks cait
06:30 cait bbl
06:30 cait ok, restarting to find out if the updates killed that grub thing again
06:28 cait better hide them or even better create your own frameworks
06:27 cait and don't delete fields from the default frameworks
06:27 cait look for 'managed in tab'
06:27 cait http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x4488#marcbibframeworks
06:26 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
06:26 cait change the tab value in the subfields definition
06:25 mib_cdt cait: how can I put them all in one tag?
06:25 cait ok, I give up
06:25 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching change the values
06:25 cait wahanui: forget change the values
06:25 eythian I think you need to use the name for operations like that.
06:24 cait forget cait:?
06:24 eythian I think it's a module
06:24 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
06:24 cait forget change the values
06:24 eythian how odd
06:24 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
06:24 cait change the values
06:23 wahanui eythian: what?
06:23 eythian wahanui: yes
06:23 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
06:23 eythian wahanui: literal yes
06:22 cait tab
06:22 cait you can put them all on one tag
06:22 cait in the bibliographic frameworks is also defined on which tab a field shows up
06:21 cait sorry, talking to wahanui
06:21 cait forget yes
06:21 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
06:21 cait change the tab values
06:21 cait yes
06:11 mib_cdt Can I set up all these fields in a single pages?
06:11 mib_cdt but all those are scattered in 9 tabs. It is difficult for entering data by selecting each tag.
06:09 mib_cdt I have created a new marc framework by deleting the fields not necessary for my library.
06:06 mib_cdt but I dont want all the fields in default framework. can I set the marc entry fields in a single page?
06:04 cait and check the manual
06:04 cait ah :)
06:03 wahanui i think manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
06:03 cait manual?
06:03 cait koha manual?
06:03 cait mib_cdt: look ad administration > bibliographic marc frameworks
06:01 mib_cdt how can I customize the 'Add MARC Record' form in koha?
06:01 kmkale hi cait :)
06:00 cait hi kmkale :)
05:48 mib_cdt hi koha#
05:00 cait hi eythian
05:00 eythian hi cait
04:57 cait :)
04:57 Space_Librarian morning cait!
04:57 cait good morning #koha
04:47 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6371] Item Types description not properly displayed if not pure ASCII <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6371>
04:02 mtj heya, ah - no probs
04:01 Space_Librarian don't think wizzyrea is up yet...
03:59 eythian rangi is away
03:56 mtj wizzyrea or rangi about for a quick Q?
03:51 kmkale_ ok. time to head for office. bbl..
03:50 kmkale_ :)
03:50 eythian cool
03:50 huginn` kmkale_: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009)
03:50 kmkale_ @quote random
03:49 kmkale_ eythian: in case you need it here is the link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11
03:43 eythian sure will
03:43 kmkale could you please spread the word?
03:43 eythian Also, Irma and I are speaking/facilitating a 2 day koha workshop there (which preceeds a 3-day open source conference)
03:42 kmkale :) so sorry for you ;)
03:42 eythian kmkale: yeah, I have to spend 5 days in a beach resort in Malaysia for it. It'll be terrible.
03:41 kmkale eythian: I do. Are you involved in that?
03:30 eythian in case you want to tell even more people
03:30 eythian kmkale: there's a koha workshop coming up in Malaysia, too
03:27 kmkale Hi AmitG
03:27 kmkale yeah. Dropped a mail to organizers of the Mizoram workshop and also Savitra requesting them to inform participants about Kohacon11 and encourage them to attend :)
03:16 kmkale heh!!
03:15 wahanui i heard plan was to modify web installer to translate templates during the installation process
03:15 kmkale what plan?
03:15 Space_Librarian :)
03:14 Brooke right time to heal
03:14 * Brooke loves it when a plan comes together
03:12 kmkale yup. and thanks. Will write to them today to pass on the news about Kohacon to participants. Must see if indradg is involved in this workshop. He may be able to help.
03:10 Space_Librarian well there's some good news for you then. :)
03:10 kmkale Space_Librarian: been away for a few weeks on business. Not upto date on Koha news :(
03:10 Space_Librarian and June, not July, sorry...
03:09 Space_Librarian I wasn't sure if you knew about it...
03:09 kmkale fantastic to see Koha reach :)
03:09 kmkale ohh. That is great because its in Mizoram!!
03:08 Space_Librarian kmkale: http://koha-community.org/koha-workshop-mizoram-university/
03:07 * Brooke is shocked SHOCKED that there is gambling here.
03:07 kmkale It must be the paid training OSS is conducting
03:07 Brooke but who would do such a thing?!
03:07 Space_Librarian that quote has changed...
03:06 Space_Librarian hang on. i'll find the link. it's in India
03:06 kmkale yeah wahanui you got that one right!!
03:06 Brooke ha bot's on a roll!
03:06 wahanui Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know
03:06 kmkale where Space_Librarian ?
03:06 Space_Librarian that's a good place to promo
03:06 Space_Librarian I see there's a KOha workshop in July too
03:06 Brooke egggsellent.
03:05 * kmkale is getting some time off starting this weekend. Going to go after Koha people for papers and sponsors :)
03:04 kmkale :)
03:04 Brooke no doubt.
03:04 Brooke Aphrodisias will prolly be a pita to get to, but surely, SURELY someone will see me and take pity on me ;)
03:04 kmkale I found turkish women to be more butiful than Europeans ;)
03:03 Brooke >:)
03:03 Space_Librarian Brooke: very envious
03:03 Brooke manuscripts even
03:03 Brooke Kay would shoot me if I didn't see that and some of the rare manuscipts
03:03 Brooke of course
03:02 kmkale heh gr8 idea Brooke do see the dimonds in the sultans palace in Istanbul while u r at it
03:02 Space_Librarian our national library conference is on at the same time in the same city. Not precisely that easy.
03:01 kmkale Space_Librarian: go for it whtacha waiting for?
03:01 Brooke so I can stop at Aphrodisias and Troy.
03:01 Brooke but I wanna see if I can sweet talk them into letting me stay over a few days
03:01 Space_Librarian I have to convince my director to send me to India.
03:01 kmkale on?
03:01 Brooke I'm _prolly_ flying Turkish Air
03:01 Brooke I wanna do a wee bit more research
03:01 Brooke not yet
03:01 kmkale :)
03:01 Brooke it's like saying that Blazing Saddles is historical
03:01 kmkale Brooke: flight booked?
03:00 Brooke of *course* it is
03:00 kmkale heh!! but the movie is pure BS!!!
03:00 Brooke he'd totally keynote for KohaCon ;)
03:00 * Brooke nods like a simpleton.
03:00 kmkale Brooke: The one with with Shaharukh ?
02:59 * Brooke watched Asoka today.
02:59 Brooke Namaskar
02:59 pianohacker hi brook, kmkale
02:59 kmkale Namaste Brooke
02:59 pianohacker must reduce my bribe payments
02:59 Brooke hehehe
02:59 pianohacker that dang thing
02:59 kmkale Namaste pianohacker
02:59 wahanui it has been said that pianohacker is our favorite boy genius or the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel
02:59 Space_Librarian hey pianohacker
02:59 pianohacker hi
02:58 Space_Librarian I know, I know...
02:58 kmkale Earlier you book, cheaper it is ;)
02:57 Space_Librarian I wish. Still need to have my abstract in and be confirmed to speak before that can happen... :)
02:56 kmkale India flight booked Space_Librarian ?
02:55 Space_Librarian np :)
02:55 kmkale aah thanks shelly
02:53 Space_Librarian he's away until Tuesday
02:52 kmkale ping rangi
02:38 Brooke 0/
02:38 kmkale Namaste Space_Librarian :)
02:37 Space_Librarian namaste kmkale
02:37 kmkale Namaskar #koha