IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-18

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00:42 glernil good day!
00:58 glernil reaffirmed Bug 2708
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02:22 library_systems_guy262 does anybody know the page for integrating koha with drupal
02:23 library_systems_guy262 i know nengard showed it to us during the demo that she did
02:24 rangi its in the manual
02:24 rangi 2 secs
02:24 library_systems_guy262 i just googled it real quick but i didn't get a first page return...i think that makes me a lazy googler
02:25 rangi[…]manual/?ch=x13383
02:25 library_systems_guy262 thanks rangi, you're the man
02:26 rangi no guarantees its will work :) but worth a try :)
02:27 library_systems_guy262 i hope it does, i spent the better part of a moving our old site to drupal
02:27 library_systems_guy262 week*
02:30 library_systems_guy262 rangi, do you know of anybody in particular that has pulled this off?
02:32 rangi biblibre have
02:43 bg evening
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02:46 Brooke kai ora
02:46 Brooke eep
02:46 Brooke kia ora even
02:48 rangi heya bg and Brooke
02:48 Brooke o/
02:49 Space_Librarian tena koe Brooke
02:49 rangi heres my random find of the day
02:49 rangi[…]551-h/19551-h.htm
02:50 Space_Librarian O.o
02:50 Brooke tee hee
02:50 rangi the things you find when you are setting up for a demo
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03:11 eythian <-- rangi
03:12 sijobl hyphenation seems like cheating
03:13 rangi heh
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03:17 Brooke 0/
03:19 indradg folks, with 3.2.7 is it possible to add a confirmation (for circulation staff) before they checkout items?
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03:23 AmitG heya chris, brooke
03:23 bg hi AmitG
03:24 * Brooke is toying with the idea of an adopt a firang programme.
03:24 indradg Brooke, whats that?
03:24 AmitG heya Bg, indradg
03:25 Brooke it's a scam to get me to sites I want to see. :P
03:25 indradg AmitG, morning
03:25 indradg lol
03:28 Brooke अशोक is in the mail. Or possibly here.
03:28 * Brooke isn't sure whether it got stuck behind scandalous Tudors smut or no.
03:30 Brooke ah ha! Totally here, along with the smut. Eggsellent.
03:30 * Brooke knows what she's doin' tomorrow.
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04:20 Oak \o
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04:56 cait good morning #koha
04:57 eythian good evening
04:58 AmitG heya cait
04:58 cait hi eythian and AmitG :)
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05:30 druthb Kia ora.
05:31 Oak hiya druthb :)
05:32 cait hi Oak
05:32 cait go to bed druthb!
05:32 druthb hehehe..
05:33 Oak Hello cait
05:34 bg yup druthb go to bed :)
05:34 cait listen to your boss!
05:36 druthb hmpf on the both of ya.
05:36 druthb bg++ #whether he wants it or not--BEST BOSS EVAR
05:36 bg heh
05:36 druthb cait++ #bestest friend evar
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05:56 Ropuch Morning #koha
05:57 cait hi Ropuch :)
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06:27 alex_a bonjour #koha
06:28 cait hi alex_a :)
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06:34 cait bonjour hdl
06:34 hdl bonjour cait
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06:35 alex_a hi cait :)
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07:20 rangi evening
07:28 jenkins_koha Starting build 253 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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07:31 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Improve error message when translation installation fails <[…]61010bf85e3116c5b>
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07:39 kf hi #koha
07:40 druthb hi, kf.  :D
07:41 * kf ignores druthb
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07:41 kf she can not be real, because druthb must be sleeping
07:42 * druthb is a well-defined figment of your imagination.
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08:03 kf druthb?
08:04 druthb kf?
08:04 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet.
08:04 kf !
08:04 kf druthb?
08:04 * druthb wiggles her eyebrows.
08:04 druthb jdavidb?
08:04 wahanui i think jdavidb is no her druthb now, please.
08:05 druthb oooo...forgot I'd done that.
08:05 druthb druthb?
08:05 druthb :P
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08:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #253: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/253/
08:10 jenkins_koha Frédéric Demians: Improve error message when translation installation fails
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08:22 kf druthb is a well-defined figment of your imagination
08:22 kf druthb
08:22 kf druthb?
08:22 wahanui druthb is, like, a well-defined figment of my imagination
08:22 kf oh sweet, he even does your/my
08:28 * rangi just sent a patch for git-bz
08:29 rangi if it gets accepted that should be all good, but for now if you want to test
08:30 rangi ill push to gitorious
08:32 rangi git://
08:33 rangi if anyone wants to try lemme know and ill show you how to config it, and then write it up on the wiki
08:49 kf rangi
08:49 kf rangi++
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10:24 druthb o/
10:35 magnuse \o
10:37 magnuse say you have an install with 5 branches - is it possible to stop patrons at branch A from putting holds on items at branch B, but allow them to put holds on items from branch C?
10:39 druthb do you want patrons from A to be able to borrow items from B, at all?
10:39 magnuse druthb: nope
10:40 druthb Then don't set up a circ rule for that.  If you can't borrow it, you can't hold it.
10:40 druthb Caveat, of couse, is that patrons from A need to be of a different category than other borrowers who *could*
10:41 magnuse ah ha
10:42 druthb "Borrower from library A" is not part of the circ-map equation.  This is the sort of problem that consortia wrangle with, and --in Koha, and in other systems-- it usually gets solved by having a whole bunch of patron categories.
10:43 druthb It would not break my heart to see borrowers.branchcode be part of the circ-map equation, but that makes things pretty painful in setup.
10:44 magnuse so if they were schools, you could have "pupil school a" and "teacher school a", and then only allow those two to check out anything from "library A"?
10:51 druthb correct.
10:51 magnuse thanks!
10:51 druthb you bet!
10:51 druthb :D
11:02 kf_lunch magnuse: transer limits?
11:03 kf_lunch never used them, but I know you can set them up for combinations of branches
11:05 magnuse i'm not sure i understand what they do "Check the boxes for the libraries you accept to checkin items from."
11:06 magnuse seems it's only about what branches can do return on behalf of what other branches?
11:07 kf_lunch hm
11:07 kf_lunch also cool :)
11:12 * kf_lunch nick kf
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11:16 vfernandes hi Koha community
11:16 vfernandes :)
11:20 vfernandes there is any patch to Koha pro print one UNIMARC record in something like this:
11:20 vfernandes 010:  ^aXXXXXXXX^bBrochado
11:21 vfernandes 101:0 ^aeng
11:21 vfernandes 102:  ^aUS
11:21 vfernandes 200:1 ^aThe nature of prejudice^fGordon W. Allport
11:22 vfernandes ect....
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11:29 hdl magnuse: about transfer limits, i guess we have pending patches on that... which are fixing the workflow... and the alert....
11:29 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6353] Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6353>
11:29 hdl if you care.
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11:51 kmkale Namaskar #koha
11:55 druthb hi, kmkale!  :D
11:56 kmkale :) Namaste druthb
11:57 druthb I've missed you lately, kmkale!
11:57 kmkale Not been around much druthb. Business travel :(
11:57 druthb ah.
11:58 kmkale so whats happening in Kohaland?
11:59 druthb wrangling data, on my end.  Bringing libraries live just about every weekend.
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12:03 conan hi everyotherbody
12:09 kmkale hi conan
12:12 magnuse druthb++ # for bringing libraries live just about every weekend
12:13 magnuse hdl: sorry, was afk. i havn't got the time today, but are the patches in bugzilla?
12:13 hdl Should be.
12:14 hdl all depending on the big circulation enhancements....
12:14 * kmkale waves at magnuse & hdl
12:14 hdl hi kmkale
12:14 druthb thanx, magnuse.
12:16 magnuse namaste kmkale
12:17 kmkale :)
12:35 conan has someone seen tcohen lately?
12:36 kf @seen tcohen
12:36 huginn` kf: tcohen was last seen in #koha 4 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <tcohen> @wunder madrid, spain
12:36 hdl he was on the way to spain quite recently
12:37 kf looks like it .)
12:37 kmkale heya kf :)
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12:40 kf namaste kmkale .)
12:40 conan SPAIN!
12:40 conan crap
12:40 conan I'll have to code the suspension change myself... :(
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12:46 magnuse kia ora sekjal
12:46 sekjal howdy, magnuse!
12:48 hdl conan:  which suspension change ?
12:49 sekjal hdl: quick acquisitions question:  how does one mark an order as "paid for", independent of whether the material has been received yet or not?
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12:51 hdl some development is done on that. either by Amit and osslabs, but we also are adding a status to order lines. So that it can be paid independently
12:52 matts is now known as matts_away
12:52 hdl I haven't seen any code from osslabs, so I won't bet on that.
12:52 hdl And if there is it must have been done on HTPro.
12:52 sekjal hdl:  so with current master, there's no way yet?
12:53 hdl I don't think so.
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12:53 sekjal hmmmm
12:53 * sekjal tries to think of work arounds
12:54 kf sekjal: use one of the statistic value fields perhaps?
12:54 oleonard Hi all
12:55 sekjal kf: that may be the way to go for now, yes
12:55 kf sekjal: only an idea, perhaps a stupid one, but if you don't use both for planning you could use one for "payment status"
12:56 sekjal can those be changed after the basket is closed and the order received?
12:56 kf no, not after closing
12:56 kf hm. do you need it on order line?
12:56 kf or per basket?
12:57 sekjal a basket and a bill may contain different line items
12:57 kf right
12:57 sekjal I think the correct solution is a new database table for invoices
12:58 kf fixing the calculation would be good too
12:58 kf we have some weird things going on in there
12:58 sekjal my grand solution is to merge vendors into borrowers, and merge acquisitons with the account system
12:59 kf not sure
12:59 kf vendors are different than borrowers
12:59 kf different fields
13:00 kf perhaps I just can't wrap my head around it right now
13:00 kf but not sure they are too different to be good wrapped into one
13:00 kf if that english makes any sense..
13:01 sekjal there are some additional fields to factor in
13:01 sekjal mainly how they do their pricing in what currency, any discounts or taxes
13:01 kf might get more over time
13:02 sekjal but the company and contact details fit perfectly into borrowers
13:02 kf I am thinking about notice templates
13:02 kf per vendor
13:02 kf claim conditions
13:02 kf perhaps relationships, have more than one table, more difficult to load data
13:07 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6170] 'More options' in advanced search broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6170>
13:13 gmcharlt vendors are way different from borrowers
13:13 gmcharlt sure, address and contact information has a similar structure from patrons
13:14 gmcharlt but vendors don't log in the the catalog, they don't place hold requests, there are a lot of semantics that don't apply
13:14 sekjal true
13:14 sekjal but ILL libraries are already forced into the borrowers table
13:15 sekjal I think the core of institutions and individuals should be a shared structure
13:15 sekjal with the necessary additional semantics to meet the needs of the specific type of creature they may be
13:15 conan hdl: sorry, I went for a tea
13:16 conan hdl: we don't charge money here, we want suspensions to be days based
13:16 gmcharlt sekjal: which in the case of vendors and patrons, are rather different
13:17 gmcharlt a consistent representation of contact and address information is fine, and desirable
13:17 conan hdl: I haven't looked at it yet because there is an ugly hack working here, so it was not a priority
13:17 conan hdl: tcohen told me they had the modification, so I was hoping to pull his changes, but he's gone now and I'm going to need to implement something for suspensions, the ugly hack or something else
13:28 oleonard I see some bug reports which imply that Koha used to hide the whole biblio from search results if all items were lost. Is that true?
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13:37 kf sekjal: merging them into one table might make permission and search harder too
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13:37 kf sekjal: I don't see the great advantage
13:38 sekjal I think I may be approaching it from a more theoretical angle than a practical one
13:38 sekjal in my mind, they're essentially the same objects
13:38 sekjal with some differing details
13:38 sekjal but this details are pretty important for the workflow of the system
13:38 gmcharlt from a data structure point of view, yes, they're very similar
13:39 sekjal worse idea:  rip the whole thing out, and put in XML patron records.  then push it out to Zebra to index
13:39 gmcharlt heh
13:40 gmcharlt better/worse idea (though would lose compatiblity with databases other than postgres) - switch to Pg, then use table inheriteance
13:40 gmcharlt core table has the the basic contact info/address structure
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13:40 gmcharlt children table can contain the vendor/patron specific parts
13:40 gmcharlt and play their individual parts in the workflow
13:42 kf sounds cool, but the postgres limitationi s hard
13:42 wizzyrea oleonard++ for answering that "no holds allowed" question
13:42 wizzyrea I changed the text for that with jquery to "no items available"
13:42 druthb good morning, wizzyrea! :)
13:42 wizzyrea mornin
13:43 indradg morning wizzyrea
13:43 * conan supports the pg migration idea
13:44 indradg i'm seeing the value of "0" under "Renew (select all | none)" on the circulation page. what does this 0 signify?
13:44 conan indradg: there are 0 renews
13:44 conan indradg: it will change with each renewal
13:45 sekjal I think Postgres does some absolutely awesome stuff.  the Evergreen database structure is gorgeous
13:46 sekjal but I think we need to keep MySQL support
13:46 conan why?
13:47 wizzyrea for the same reason that if we switched to solr we'd need to keep zebra support for a while
13:47 conan "keep" ne "keep for a while"
13:47 sekjal the more systems combinations Koha can run on, the wider the adoption
13:47 indradg conan, however when I click on "Renew or return checked items" i'm getting renewal failed
13:47 conan of course any change will need support for some time for the old way
13:48 conan but I think we should be running away from mysql, like if our lives were in danger kind of run
13:49 conan indradg: does it say something else?
13:49 indradg conan, nope
13:49 conan indradg: maybe you got a limit on your circulation rules for that kind of item
13:49 sekjal there will always be dependencies on other projects, and the politics of those projects could go any which way
13:49 conan indradg: check you don't have it in 0 for the column "Renewals Allowed"
13:50 sekjal building Koha for flexibility let's us adapt to whatever changes may come our way
13:50 conan does anyone here how to show those nice yellowish message that pop up when you try to do something forbidden?
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13:51 oleonard conan: You set some condition in the script, you add the HTML to the template and show it when that condition is met
13:51 conan I forbade several things and I would like to inform the logged in user about the situation
13:52 oleonard conan: You'll need to set a template variable when the right condition is met
13:53 conan oleonard: should I learn Templating right away? I was hoping for something more ... err... aimed?
13:53 conan I've seen the yes/no messages, but I think the one I need is another kind of beast
13:53 oleonard If you're already editing Perl scripts understanding template syntax should be easy
13:53 oleonard What kind of beast?
13:54 conan that's what I need to know, which animal would do the job
13:54 oleonard <div class="dialog alert"> Your message here </div>
13:54 conan oleonard: yeah, should, by I hate templates, I don't understand the reason for its existance in the first place, I'm fine with plain HTML
13:56 danmc conan:  based on your comment you'd suggest postgres instead of mysql for a new deployment?
13:56 oleonard danmc: Koha doesn't support postgres properly yet
13:56 danmc ah
13:56 indradg where do I search of the number of renewals permitted in 3.2.7?
13:56 danmc I'm still in the process of getting the required perl modules in place
13:56 oleonard indradg: circulation and fine rules
13:57 indradg oleonard, thanks :)
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13:58 conan danmc: errm... no, from what I understand, I'm new here, postgres is not working ATM for koha
13:58 conan danmc: so you cannot deploy
13:58 conan with pg
13:58 hdl conan: some patch on master are fixing that.
13:58 conan hdl: suspensions?
13:58 danmc thanks.
13:59 hdl oleonard: I see some bug reports which imply that Koha used to hide the whole biblio from search results if all items were lost. Is that true?... If one item is lost with Hidelostitems on then the whole biblio is hidden
13:59 oleonard hdl: That does not describe how it works now.
14:00 oleonard ...unless I have my system set up incorrectly?
14:00 hdl conan: yes..
14:01 hdl How it works now : is you send back an item which is late.
14:01 conan hdl: thx, will check bugzilla later
14:01 hdl or more... Then it will use the biggest calculated fineindays and display... ppl debarred until ....
14:01 hdl on circulation page.
14:02 hdl (doing multiple things--)
14:03 conan oleonard: when I say in perl: $template->param(SomethingIJustMadeUp => 1)
14:04 conan I'm making up a condition?
14:04 conan so I just need to check for that in the template and I'm set, right?
14:04 oleonard [% IF ( SomethingIJustMadeUp ) %] SomethingIJustMadeUp  is true! [% END %]
14:05 conan oleonard++
14:05 conan you're the man
14:06 oleonard Happy to help!
14:15 * conan has a nice brand new yellowish message :)
14:19 oleonard And it doesn't even have to be yellow:
14:28 kf ouch
14:28 kf my eyes hurt
14:31 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3397] Deleting item record leaves a hole in patron's reading history <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3397>
14:32 oleonard There's good bug-fixin' to be found on that list of old bugs
14:32 oleonard I everyone waits I'll have gotten all the easy ones.
14:33 kf hehe
14:33 kf oleonard++
14:33 kf I was thinking about the reading history - we could get the title from deletedbiblios tables perhaps?
14:34 oleonard kf, if you can figure out how to do it I'd be happy for my patch to be superseded.
14:35 oleonard The issue, however, is not that the biblio has been deleted. Just the item.
14:35 conan oleonard: do you know Lea Verou? She has very nice works on CSS, lately she's been working on gradients, which would avoid the need for images ;)
14:36 oleonard conan: Yes, there are lots of places where CSS3 could simplify things
14:36 conan oleonard: gimme a couple of weeks, leave some easy ones for me! I'm implementing now and doing ugly fixes we need ASAP
14:37 conan For example, now I need to establish a maximum for items to loan for all libraries
14:37 conan I'm testing and branch_borrower_circ_rules doesn't seem to do the job
14:38 conan what's the intention for that table then?
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14:46 sekjal oleonard:  it's easy to use JQuery to mark a checkbox as 'checked' upon page load, right?
14:46 oleonard Usually yes
14:46 sekjal provided it has the right markup to make it identifiable
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14:51 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6363] The "Item Location" selectbox in doesn't appear when the default MARC framework is the only one avaiable. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6363>
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15:15 kf oleonard: I wonder if the scope problem with the include could be solved similar than the other include problem I had
15:15 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6364] Display of item availability broken on OPAC detail screen <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6364>
15:15 kf oleonard: bibliodefaultview or something
15:15 kf adding a parameter to the include thing solved it...
15:16 hdl sekjal: as far as i know, the invoice table could come with the indian work.
15:16 oleonard Yes, but in this case you'd have to add a parameter for each variable we wanted to use in the include
15:16 oleonard (if I understand it correctly)
15:16 kf ah
15:16 kf k :)
15:17 kf ok, time to log off here - bye all :)
15:18 wizzyrea bye kf
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15:27 hdl conan: some work and debug stuff is available online... in the awaiting sign off tickets.
15:35 conan hdl: I have to catch up, I have more than 100 msg waiting from koha-dev
15:35 conan I need to finish this implementation first, and only then all my time will be devoted to development
15:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3886] Can't print receipt w/out allowing "Add or modify borrowers" permission <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3886>
15:35 conan so I've been told... lets hope it's true
15:38 conan I need to know the state of some variables, so far I've been using plain ol' die($varToCheck)
15:38 conan but now I'm being redirected to an error 500 page
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16:21 rhcl_away hi cait
16:22 cait hi rhcl_away
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16:23 druthb hi, rhcl! :D
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16:28 cait oleonard++
16:28 cait not for going away, but for bug wrangling :)
16:29 wizzyrea well oleonard, a challenge: simplify the place hold process in the OPAC -- too many clicks according to my librarians
16:30 cait 2 clicks to many?
16:30 cait s/too/to
16:30 wizzyrea just too many, but yea probably two
16:30 wizzyrea of course
16:30 wizzyrea to reduce clicks
16:30 cait place hold, say yes this one
16:30 cait you don't allow item level holds?
16:31 wizzyrea you have to assume that the pick up library is the same as the patron's home
16:31 * druthb opens up an RFC for a Psychic Module for Koha.
16:31 wizzyrea no, we don't
16:31 wizzyrea i know right
16:31 cait hm
16:31 cait honestly, no idea how to reduce the clicks without hiding functionality
16:32 wizzyrea yea, i see that too.
16:32 cait and we have place hold links in every place I can think of
16:33 cait hm
16:33 wizzyrea ohh
16:34 wizzyrea interesting bug
16:34 wizzyrea when placing a hold
16:34 wizzyrea the 1st time the hold priority is computed
16:34 wizzyrea it counts all holds, including waiting ones
16:34 wizzyrea when it goes in the list, it doesn't count those
16:34 wizzyrea and apparently it's confusing
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16:42 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6365] Missing information about tab number when mandatory fields unfilled <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6365>
16:42 oleonard wizzyrea: An idea from a while ago:
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16:46 wizzyrea oleonard! that's lovely :)
16:47 wizzyrea here's another one from my librarians: scanning a book barcode in the check out box should renew the item if it's renewable
16:47 wizzyrea (without looking up the patron)
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16:48 wizzyrea good idea? bad idea?
16:51 cait hm
16:52 druthb I think the overhead of that could be evil...
16:52 conan wizzyrea: looks interesting, but you have to go to the checkout box, then scan teh book... if you're already there, wouldn't be less fuss to just click?
16:52 conan you'll be switching tasks
16:53 conan is like when you are at the keyboard and have to go grab de mouse for something
16:54 cait wizzyrea: it sounds dangerous to me
16:54 cait ah
16:54 cait what if you have a library that has barcodes that can also be cardnumbers?
16:59 cait and nto sure if it will slow things down if koha has to search 2 tables from that field
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17:17 oleonard Our old system did the opposite as well: If you scanned a patron barcode in the checkout box it would switch to that patron
17:17 oleonard But the system has to know which is which, and if your barcodes can be either one then it gets confusing
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17:26 conan later
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17:28 wizzyrea conan: no, this is about scanning a book and not a patron card, no switching tasks. Other renewals can take place the regular way too.
17:28 wizzyrea cait: interesting points, I thought about the speed issue too
17:30 wizzyrea the alternative is to "do it like sirsi does" and have a renewal scan box
17:31 * oleonard can't see any reason not to
17:32 wizzyrea more scan boxes doesn't make you feel skeevy?
17:32 oleonard I would add it in one place: On the circulation home page.
17:34 cait hm that sounds good to me
17:35 cait sorry for late response - was making dinner
17:35 oleonard Oh no thanks cait I just had lunch
17:35 cait hehe
17:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6366] The serial claims dropdown shows suppliers that don't have late issues. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6366>
17:36 wizzyrea oleonard: you want me to add a bug for that?
17:36 oleonard Sure, and in a year we'll mark it WONTFIX :P
17:36 wizzyrea heh
17:38 cait heh
17:38 cait lots of new bugs filed today
17:40 magnuse and the number of "needs signoff"s is getting dangerously close to 100 again... ;-)
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18:05 * oleonard sees 56.
18:08 cait 56?
18:08 oleonard Whoops, wrong report. 99 "needs signoff" bugs.
18:08 sekjal 56 sounds more like "Signed Off"
18:09 cait I liked your number better
18:09 * cait sends sekjal cookies
18:09 cait ah
18:09 sekjal mmmm, cookies
18:09 * cait puts a big bowl in the middle of #koha
18:09 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6367] 'Preview MARC' hover button does not show correct MARC record <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6367>
18:09 oleonard ^ Number 99
18:10 sekjal oleonard:  not for long!
18:10 * cait cait_afk
18:10 cait is now known as cait_afk
18:10 sekjal (thanks for fixing that so quickly, ps.  oleonard++)
18:10 * cait_afk wonders when she will get that right the first time
18:10 cait_afk oleonard?
18:10 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is the master UI designer of koha
18:11 cait_afk oleonard is also an awesome bug wrangler
18:11 wahanui okay, cait_afk.
18:12 oleonard sekjal: The sad part is, that must have been broken forever.
18:13 * oleonard is very grumpy about the loss of git blame history we lost in the move to T:T
18:13 wizzyrea :/
18:13 rangi its still there
18:13 cait_afk oleonard: you could check the line on the 3.2.x branch
18:13 rangi you can check it on master too
18:13 wizzyrea cait is very smart
18:14 cait_afk but seems like rangi has a better trick :)
18:14 rangi just checkout the tag that i made before merging in TT
18:14 * cait_afk waves to rangi
18:14 rangi nothing is ever gone in git
18:14 * oleonard does that, but doesn't like having to do so :P
18:15 * cait_afk is really away no
18:15 cait_afk w
18:15 druthb hi, rangi!
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18:16 oleonard rangi: If you have a suggestion for a better way to handle the T:T scoping issue in Bug 6364 I would love to hear it
18:16 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6364 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Display of item availability broken on OPAC detail screen
18:17 oleonard in short: the template variables in the include weren't properly scoped for the loop the include was embedded in
18:17 rangi dont have time to look im afraid, off to the airport soon
18:17 rangi ah yeah, declaring them is really all you can do in that process
18:17 oleonard Airport? Business or pleasure?
18:17 wahanui oleonard: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
18:17 rangi before calling the include or as part of the include
18:18 Brooke 0/
18:18 rangi [% INCLUDE var=something var2=other
18:18 rangi etc
18:19 rangi business, ok might be back from airport
18:19 * rangi waves
18:19 oleonard Yeah, too many variables in play I think
18:19 wizzyrea bye rangi
18:31 sekjal I think the data types for aqorderdelivery.ordernumber and aqorderdelivery.deliverydate got mixed up
18:31 sekjal ordernumber seems to make more sense as a varchar(18) than as a date
18:31 sekjal and vice versa
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18:54 cait_afk sekjal: I agree
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19:05 * Brooke waves to skushner
19:06 skushner hi brooke
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19:19 wizzyrea arg, just when I had a question for oleonard
19:20 Brooke there, there. It's not easy chasing someone that's part ninja.
19:21 cait lol
19:21 cait there there? :)
19:22 wizzyrea it's a form of comfort words :)
19:22 cait I know that
19:22 cait :)
19:22 wizzyrea sry couldn't tell :)
19:23 cait hehe
19:23 cait I know :) I am watching big bang theory right now - sheldon does that.
19:23 cait so it's not only sheldon?
19:23 wizzyrea apparently not, as I've never watched big bang theory :)
19:24 * Brooke looks innocent.
19:24 Brooke any resemblance to Sheldon is purely speculative.
19:24 cait aha!
19:32 * Brooke thinks that Shah Rukh Khan could totally give the keynote at KohaCon.
19:32 Brooke he's a geek in secrecy. I'm certain.
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20:13 wizzyrea ha neat, double clicking the place hold button in the OPAC causes multiple holds
20:14 wizzyrea
20:15 cait eek
20:16 wizzyrea deleting one deletes them all
20:16 wizzyrea they're functionally identical
20:16 cait hmhm
20:16 cait we should stopit
20:16 wizzyrea :) yea, i think so
20:17 wizzyrea I actually got it up to about 10 identical holds
20:17 wizzyrea lots of clicking ^.^
20:23 sekjal wizzyrea:  nice to have that issue identified; I imagine it's a pretty easy fix
20:24 wizzyrea :D I was happy to finally find out how that happened
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20:36 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6369] Formatting problems on some items when printing an order form (PDF). <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6369> / [Bug 6368] unimarc_field_4XX plugin does not work with new templates <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6368>
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20:53 wizzyrea how much would I like saved reports to be searchable
20:53 wizzyrea so much.
20:54 cait hm
20:54 cait a search reports option?
20:54 cait in the search form on top of the screen?
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20:55 wizzyrea at least when you're in the reports module
20:56 cait yes
20:56 cait enh bug? :)
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20:59 Space_Librarian morning #koha
21:00 druthb hi, Space_Librarian!
21:00 cait morning Space_Librarian
21:00 * Space_Librarian waves
21:00 cait good night #koha
21:01 Space_Librarian night cait!
21:01 library_systems_guy good night cait
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21:01 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington, nz
21:01 huginn` Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on May 19, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
21:01 library_systems_guy hey guys i talked to rangi last night and he was telling me he only knew of one group that had successfully integrated drupal and koha
21:01 library_systems_guy do you guys happen to know of anybody else?
21:02 library_systems_guy i know the guide is in the manual
21:02 library_systems_guy but im not sure if i should do the sopac install on the koha server or the drupal server
21:02 Space_Librarian there are some developers here who have been thinking about it, but nobody's *actually* got around to doing it yet.
21:02 wizzyrea oo
21:02 library_systems_guy dang
21:03 * wizzyrea idly wonders if anyone has ever done it on two different servers
21:03 library_systems_guy i am wordering the same thing wizzyrea
21:03 wizzyrea but
21:03 library_systems_guy and if so how
21:03 wizzyrea the people to ask
21:03 wizzyrea are usually here in the US morning
21:03 library_systems_guy the french guys?
21:03 wizzyrea that would be paul_p and hdl
21:04 library_systems_guy ok ill stalk them in the AM then
21:04 hdl what?
21:04 library_systems_guy oh hey hdl
21:04 library_systems_guy wizzyrea was telling me you were the person to talk to about drupal koha integration
21:05 hdl well, we did... It is not really drupal though.
21:05 hdl It is SOPAC.
21:05 library_systems_guy right
21:05 hdl But yea... it works. and is in production.
21:05 library_systems_guy nice :)
21:05 library_systems_guy did sopac and koha exist on the same server?
21:07 hdl It may...
21:08 hdl We had to quite tweak sopac
21:08 hdl But it works
21:09 library_systems_guy this sounds more and more interesting
21:09 library_systems_guy are you part of the only group that has successfully done it hdl?
21:10 hdl I am part of the company who did it. And who propose services for that.
21:11 hdl But I personnaly only took little part in that... See how SOPAC works and that it could be nice if it could work with Koha.
21:12 library_systems_guy oh ok, i guess ill dig a little deeper into sopac
21:13 hdl from a user point of view. There are some counterparts... Shpinx usage... where Solr could be a better choice... but it works.
21:15 library_systems_guy i guess i haven't looked into sopac enough.  Is it just the catalog search engine that *CAN* pull results from Koha?
21:18 hdl well it is kind of OAI like... The catalogue enriches the database on a regular base.
21:18 library_systems_guy oh i think i understand, like a mirror of the koha db when searching
21:18 hdl I would much favour integration into a portal using SRU/SRW and ILS-DI... fwiw...
21:19 hdl library_systems_guy: yep
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21:20 library_systems_guy thanks for all the tips hdl
21:28 hdl library_systems_guy: you can take a look there :
21:28 library_systems_guy where is there?
21:28 wahanui i guess there is no spoon.
21:29 hdl mmm... never mind... I thought there was a good axample of SRU integration.
21:30 hdl but find none
21:30 library_systems_guy sad day
21:30 library_systems_guy do you by chance work for biblibre
21:30 hdl Yes.
21:31 library_systems_guy ahh ok so you guys are definitely the only company that i have found that has pulled this off
21:31 library_systems_guy i looked for the demo you had posted and the blog but it was taken down :'(
21:47 hdl mmm.... library_systems_guy maybe you could look at
21:48 library_systems_guy oh yeah that is much better lol
21:50 hdl i wish we could plug more OPACs.
21:51 library_systems_guy i bet that would send a lot more money biblibre's way
21:51 hdl And we surely could, with blacklight or vufind...
21:52 library_systems_guy I've read that blacklight is supposed to be very good
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21:52 Space_Librarian morning Irma
21:52 hdl library_systems_guy: we are running after money or customers first.
21:53 library_systems_guy hdl, fair enough.  I mean really you have to in order to preserve your company
21:53 hdl We want the library... and users to get the product they want.
21:54 library_systems_guy and inevitably what makes it easiest for the users to use
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22:16 indradg @wunder kolkata
22:16 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 23.0�C (3:20 AM IST on May 19, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
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23:33 druthb o/
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23:35 druthb *two* skushners?  An abundance of wealth!
23:36 skushner407 Yeah, I was wondering about that? Who's this 407 character..??
23:36 skushner407 oh, i guess it's me
23:37 druthb :)
23:37 skushner407 must be a doppelganger
23:38 * druthb will buy one of them a drink.
23:38 skushner407 must hunt down and kill the other one.
23:38 skushner407 thanks
23:39 skushner407 but which one, one wonders, yesssh..we wonders...
23:39 druthb The friendly one!  that other fellow is just sitting there looking surly.
23:40 skushner407 =?p
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