Time  Nick                   Message
23:40 skushner407            =?p
23:39 druthb                 The friendly one!  that other fellow is just sitting there looking surly.
23:39 skushner407            but which one, one wonders, yesssh..we wonders...
23:38 skushner407            thanks
23:38 skushner407            must hunt down and kill the other one.
23:38 * druthb               will buy one of them a drink.
23:37 skushner407            must be a doppelganger
23:37 druthb                 :)
23:36 skushner407            oh, i guess it's me
23:36 skushner407            Yeah, I was wondering about that? Who's this 407 character..??
23:35 druthb                 *two* skushners?  An abundance of wealth!
23:33 druthb                 o/
22:47 rhcl                   thesocialopac.net <- full of spam comments
22:16 huginn`                indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 23.0�C (3:20 AM IST on May 19, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
22:16 indradg                @wunder kolkata
21:54 library_systems_guy    and inevitably what makes it easiest for the users to use
21:53 hdl                    We want the library... and users to get the product they want.
21:53 library_systems_guy    hdl, fair enough.  I mean really you have to in order to preserve your company
21:52 hdl                    library_systems_guy: we are running after money or customers first.
21:52 Space_Librarian        morning Irma
21:52 library_systems_guy    I've read that blacklight is supposed to be very good
21:51 hdl                    And we surely could, with blacklight or vufind...
21:51 library_systems_guy    i bet that would send a lot more money biblibre's way
21:50 hdl                    i wish we could plug more OPACs.
21:48 library_systems_guy    oh yeah that is much better lol
21:47 hdl                    mmm.... library_systems_guy maybe you could look at sopac.biblibre.com
21:31 library_systems_guy    i looked for the demo you had posted and the blog but it was taken down :'(
21:31 library_systems_guy    ahh ok so you guys are definitely the only company that i have found that has pulled this off
21:30 hdl                    Yes.
21:30 library_systems_guy    do you by chance work for biblibre
21:30 library_systems_guy    sad day
21:30 hdl                    but find none
21:29 hdl                    mmm... never mind... I thought there was a good axample of SRU integration.
21:28 wahanui                i guess there is no spoon.
21:28 library_systems_guy    where is there?
21:28 hdl                    library_systems_guy: you can take a look there :
21:20 library_systems_guy    thanks for all the tips hdl
21:19 hdl                    library_systems_guy: yep
21:18 hdl                    I would much favour integration into a portal using SRU/SRW and ILS-DI... fwiw...
21:18 library_systems_guy    oh i think i understand, like a mirror of the koha db when searching
21:18 hdl                    well it is kind of OAI like... The catalogue enriches the database on a regular base.
21:15 library_systems_guy    i guess i haven't looked into sopac enough.  Is it just the catalog search engine that *CAN* pull results from Koha?
21:13 hdl                    from a user point of view. There are some counterparts... Shpinx usage... where Solr could be a better choice... but it works.
21:12 library_systems_guy    oh ok, i guess ill dig a little deeper into sopac
21:11 hdl                    But I personnaly only took little part in that... See how SOPAC works and that it could be nice if it could work with Koha.
21:10 hdl                    I am part of the company who did it. And who propose services for that.
21:09 library_systems_guy    are you part of the only group that has successfully done it hdl?
21:09 library_systems_guy    this sounds more and more interesting
21:08 hdl                    But it works
21:08 hdl                    We had to quite tweak sopac
21:07 hdl                    It may...
21:05 library_systems_guy    did sopac and koha exist on the same server?
21:05 library_systems_guy    nice :)
21:05 hdl                    But yea... it works. and is in production.
21:05 library_systems_guy    right
21:05 hdl                    It is SOPAC.
21:05 hdl                    well, we did... It is not really drupal though.
21:04 library_systems_guy    wizzyrea was telling me you were the person to talk to about drupal koha integration
21:04 library_systems_guy    oh hey hdl
21:04 hdl                    what?
21:04 library_systems_guy    ok ill stalk them in the AM then
21:03 wizzyrea               that would be paul_p and hdl
21:03 library_systems_guy    the french guys?
21:03 wizzyrea               are usually here in the US morning
21:03 wizzyrea               the people to ask
21:03 library_systems_guy    and if so how
21:03 wizzyrea               but
21:03 library_systems_guy    i am wordering the same thing wizzyrea
21:03 * wizzyrea             idly wonders if anyone has ever done it on two different servers
21:02 library_systems_guy    dang
21:02 wizzyrea               oo
21:02 Space_Librarian        there are some developers here who have been thinking about it, but nobody's *actually* got around to doing it yet.
21:02 library_systems_guy    but im not sure if i should do the sopac install on the koha server or the drupal server
21:02 library_systems_guy    i know the guide is in the manual
21:01 library_systems_guy    do you guys happen to know of anybody else?
21:01 library_systems_guy    hey guys i talked to rangi last night and he was telling me he only knew of one group that had successfully integrated drupal and koha
21:01 huginn`                Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on May 19, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
21:01 Space_Librarian        @wunder wellington, nz
21:01 library_systems_guy    good night cait
21:01 Space_Librarian        night cait!
21:00 cait                   good night #koha
21:00 * Space_Librarian      waves
21:00 cait                   morning Space_Librarian
21:00 druthb                 hi, Space_Librarian!
20:59 Space_Librarian        morning #koha
20:56 cait                   enh bug? :)
20:56 cait                   yes
20:55 wizzyrea               at least when you're in the reports module
20:54 cait                   in the search form on top of the screen?
20:54 cait                   a search reports option?
20:54 cait                   hm
20:53 wizzyrea               so much.
20:53 wizzyrea               how much would I like saved reports to be searchable
20:36 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6369] Formatting problems on some items when printing an order form (PDF). <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6369> / [Bug 6368] unimarc_field_4XX plugin does not work with new templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6368>
20:24 wizzyrea               :D I was happy to finally find out how that happened
20:23 sekjal                 wizzyrea:  nice to have that issue identified; I imagine it's a pretty easy fix
20:17 wizzyrea               lots of clicking ^.^
20:17 wizzyrea               I actually got it up to about 10 identical holds
20:16 wizzyrea               :) yea, i think so
20:16 cait                   we should stopit
20:16 cait                   hmhm
20:16 wizzyrea               they're functionally identical
20:16 wizzyrea               deleting one deletes them all
20:15 cait                   eek
20:14 wizzyrea               http://screencast.com/t/x9KkfjlM
20:13 wizzyrea               ha neat, double clicking the place hold button in the OPAC causes multiple holds
19:32 Brooke                 he's a geek in secrecy. I'm certain.
19:32 * Brooke               thinks that Shah Rukh Khan could totally give the keynote at KohaCon.
19:24 cait                   aha!
19:24 Brooke                 any resemblance to Sheldon is purely speculative.
19:24 * Brooke               looks innocent.
19:23 wizzyrea               apparently not, as I've never watched big bang theory :)
19:23 cait                   so it's not only sheldon?
19:23 cait                   I know :) I am watching big bang theory right now - sheldon does that.
19:23 cait                   hehe
19:22 wizzyrea               sry couldn't tell :)
19:22 cait                   :)
19:22 cait                   I know that
19:22 wizzyrea               it's a form of comfort words :)
19:21 cait                   there there? :)
19:21 cait                   lol
19:20 Brooke                 there, there. It's not easy chasing someone that's part ninja.
19:19 wizzyrea               arg, just when I had a question for oleonard
19:06 skushner               hi brooke
19:05 * Brooke               waves to skushner
18:54 cait_afk               sekjal: I agree
18:31 sekjal                 and vice versa
18:31 sekjal                 ordernumber seems to make more sense as a varchar(18) than as a date
18:31 sekjal                 I think the data types for aqorderdelivery.ordernumber and aqorderdelivery.deliverydate got mixed up
18:19 wizzyrea               bye rangi
18:19 oleonard               Yeah, too many variables in play I think
18:19 * rangi                waves
18:19 rangi                  business, ok might be back from airport
18:18 rangi                  etc
18:18 rangi                  [% INCLUDE thingy.inc var=something var2=other
18:18 Brooke                 0/
18:17 rangi                  before calling the include or as part of the include
18:17 wahanui                oleonard: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
18:17 oleonard               Airport? Business or pleasure?
18:17 rangi                  ah yeah, declaring them is really all you can do in that process
18:17 rangi                  dont have time to look im afraid, off to the airport soon
18:17 oleonard               in short: the template variables in the include weren't properly scoped for the loop the include was embedded in
18:16 huginn`                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6364 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Display of item availability broken on OPAC detail screen
18:16 oleonard               rangi: If you have a suggestion for a better way to handle the T:T scoping issue in Bug 6364 I would love to hear it
18:15 druthb                 hi, rangi!
18:15 cait_afk               w
18:15 * cait_afk             is really away no
18:14 * oleonard             does that, but doesn't like having to do so :P
18:14 rangi                  nothing is ever gone in git
18:14 * cait_afk             waves to rangi
18:14 rangi                  just checkout the tag that i made before merging in TT
18:14 cait_afk               but seems like rangi has a better trick :)
18:13 wizzyrea               cait is very smart
18:13 rangi                  you can check it on master too
18:13 cait_afk               oleonard: you could check the line on the 3.2.x branch
18:13 rangi                  its still there
18:13 wizzyrea               :/
18:13 * oleonard             is very grumpy about the loss of git blame history we lost in the move to T:T
18:12 oleonard               sekjal: The sad part is, that must have been broken forever.
18:11 wahanui                okay, cait_afk.
18:11 cait_afk               oleonard is also an awesome bug wrangler
18:10 wahanui                it has been said that oleonard is the master UI designer of koha
18:10 cait_afk               oleonard?
18:10 * cait_afk             wonders when she will get that right the first time
18:10 sekjal                 (thanks for fixing that so quickly, ps.  oleonard++)
18:10 * cait                 cait_afk
18:10 sekjal                 oleonard:  not for long!
18:09 oleonard               ^ Number 99
18:09 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6367] 'Preview MARC' hover button does not show correct MARC record <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6367>
18:09 * cait                 puts a big bowl in the middle of #koha
18:09 sekjal                 mmmm, cookies
18:09 cait                   ah
18:09 * cait                 sends sekjal cookies
18:09 cait                   I liked your number better
18:08 sekjal                 56 sounds more like "Signed Off"
18:08 oleonard               Whoops, wrong report. 99 "needs signoff" bugs.
18:08 cait                   56?
18:05 * oleonard             sees 56.
17:40 magnuse                and the number of "needs signoff"s is getting dangerously close to 100 again... ;-)
17:38 cait                   lots of new bugs filed today
17:38 cait                   heh
17:36 wizzyrea               heh
17:36 oleonard               Sure, and in a year we'll mark it WONTFIX :P
17:36 wizzyrea               oleonard: you want me to add a bug for that?
17:35 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6366] The serial claims dropdown shows suppliers that don't have late issues. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6366>
17:35 cait                   hehe
17:35 oleonard               Oh no thanks cait I just had lunch
17:35 cait                   sorry for late response - was making dinner
17:34 cait                   hm that sounds good to me
17:32 oleonard               I would add it in one place: On the circulation home page.
17:32 wizzyrea               more scan boxes doesn't make you feel skeevy?
17:31 * oleonard             can't see any reason not to
17:30 wizzyrea               the alternative is to "do it like sirsi does" and have a renewal scan box
17:28 wizzyrea               cait: interesting points, I thought about the speed issue too
17:28 wizzyrea               conan: no, this is about scanning a book and not a patron card, no switching tasks. Other renewals can take place the regular way too.
17:26 conan                  later
17:17 oleonard               But the system has to know which is which, and if your barcodes can be either one then it gets confusing
17:17 oleonard               Our old system did the opposite as well: If you scanned a patron barcode in the checkout box it would switch to that patron
16:59 cait                   and nto sure if it will slow things down if koha has to search 2 tables from that field
16:54 cait                   what if you have a library that has barcodes that can also be cardnumbers?
16:54 cait                   ah
16:54 cait                   wizzyrea: it sounds dangerous to me
16:53 conan                  is like when you are at the keyboard and have to go grab de mouse for something
16:52 conan                  you'll be switching tasks
16:52 conan                  wizzyrea: looks interesting, but you have to go to the checkout box, then scan teh book... if you're already there, wouldn't be less fuss to just click?
16:52 druthb                 I think the overhead of that could be evil...
16:51 cait                   hm
16:48 wizzyrea               good idea? bad idea?
16:47 wizzyrea               (without looking up the patron)
16:47 wizzyrea               here's another one from my librarians: scanning a book barcode in the check out box should renew the item if it's renewable
16:46 wizzyrea               oleonard! that's lovely :)
16:42 oleonard               wizzyrea: An idea from a while ago: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=593
16:42 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6365] Missing information about tab number when mandatory fields unfilled <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6365>
16:34 wizzyrea               and apparently it's confusing
16:34 wizzyrea               when it goes in the list, it doesn't count those
16:34 wizzyrea               it counts all holds, including waiting ones
16:34 wizzyrea               the 1st time the hold priority is computed
16:34 wizzyrea               when placing a hold
16:34 wizzyrea               interesting bug
16:33 wizzyrea               ohh
16:33 cait                   hm
16:32 cait                   and we have place hold links in every place I can think of
16:32 wizzyrea               yea, i see that too.
16:31 cait                   honestly, no idea how to reduce the clicks without hiding functionality
16:31 cait                   hm
16:31 wizzyrea               i know right
16:31 wizzyrea               no, we don't
16:31 * druthb               opens up an RFC for a Psychic Module for Koha.
16:31 wizzyrea               you have to assume that the pick up library is the same as the patron's home
16:30 cait                   you don't allow item level holds?
16:30 cait                   place hold, say yes this one
16:30 wizzyrea               to reduce clicks
16:30 wizzyrea               of course
16:30 wizzyrea               just too many, but yea probably two
16:30 cait                   s/too/to
16:30 cait                   2 clicks to many?
16:29 wizzyrea               well oleonard, a challenge: simplify the place hold process in the OPAC -- too many clicks according to my librarians
16:28 cait                   not for going away, but for bug wrangling :)
16:28 cait                   oleonard++
16:23 druthb                 hi, rhcl! :D
16:22 cait                   hi rhcl_away
16:21 rhcl_away              hi cait
15:38 conan                  but now I'm being redirected to an error 500 page
15:38 conan                  I need to know the state of some variables, so far I've been using plain ol' die($varToCheck)
15:35 conan                  so I've been told... lets hope it's true
15:35 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3886] Can't print receipt w/out allowing "Add or modify borrowers" permission <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3886>
15:35 conan                  I need to finish this implementation first, and only then all my time will be devoted to development
15:35 conan                  hdl: I have to catch up, I have more than 100 msg waiting from koha-dev
15:27 hdl                    conan: some work and debug stuff is available online... in the awaiting sign off tickets.
15:18 wizzyrea               bye kf
15:17 kf                     ok, time to log off here - bye all :)
15:16 kf                     k :)
15:16 kf                     ah
15:16 oleonard               (if I understand it correctly)
15:16 oleonard               Yes, but in this case you'd have to add a parameter for each variable we wanted to use in the include
15:16 hdl                    sekjal: as far as i know, the invoice table could come with the indian work.
15:15 kf                     adding a parameter to the include thing solved it...
15:15 kf                     oleonard: bibliodefaultview or something
15:15 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6364] Display of item availability broken on OPAC detail screen <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6364>
15:15 kf                     oleonard: I wonder if the scope problem with the include could be solved similar than the other include problem I had
14:51 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6363] The "Item Location" selectbox in inventory.pl doesn't appear when the default MARC framework is the only one avaiable. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6363>
14:46 sekjal                 provided it has the right markup to make it identifiable
14:46 oleonard               Usually yes
14:46 sekjal                 oleonard:  it's easy to use JQuery to mark a checkbox as 'checked' upon page load, right?
14:38 conan                  what's the intention for that table then?
14:37 conan                  I'm testing and branch_borrower_circ_rules doesn't seem to do the job
14:37 conan                  For example, now I need to establish a maximum for items to loan for all libraries
14:36 conan                  oleonard: gimme a couple of weeks, leave some easy ones for me! I'm implementing now and doing ugly fixes we need ASAP
14:36 oleonard               conan: Yes, there are lots of places where CSS3 could simplify things
14:35 conan                  oleonard: do you know Lea Verou? She has very nice works on CSS, lately she's been working on gradients, which would avoid the need for images ;)
14:35 oleonard               The issue, however, is not that the biblio has been deleted. Just the item.
14:34 oleonard               kf, if you can figure out how to do it I'd be happy for my patch to be superseded.
14:33 kf                     I was thinking about the reading history - we could get the title from deletedbiblios tables perhaps?
14:33 kf                     oleonard++
14:33 kf                     hehe
14:32 oleonard               I everyone waits I'll have gotten all the easy ones.
14:32 oleonard               There's good bug-fixin' to be found on that list of old bugs
14:31 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3397] Deleting item record leaves a hole in patron's reading history <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3397>
14:28 kf                     my eyes hurt
14:28 kf                     ouch
14:19 oleonard               And it doesn't even have to be yellow: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=237
14:15 * conan                has a nice brand new yellowish message :)
14:06 oleonard               Happy to help!
14:05 conan                  you're the man
14:05 conan                  oleonard++
14:04 oleonard               [% IF ( SomethingIJustMadeUp ) %] SomethingIJustMadeUp  is true! [% END %]
14:04 conan                  so I just need to check for that in the template and I'm set, right?
14:04 conan                  I'm making up a condition?
14:03 conan                  oleonard: when I say in perl: $template->param(SomethingIJustMadeUp => 1)
14:02 hdl                    (doing multiple things--)
14:01 hdl                    on circulation page.
14:01 hdl                    or more... Then it will use the biggest calculated fineindays and display... ppl debarred until ....
14:01 conan                  hdl: thx, will check bugzilla later
14:01 hdl                    How it works now : is you send back an item which is late.
14:00 hdl                    conan: yes..
14:00 oleonard               ...unless I have my system set up incorrectly?
13:59 oleonard               hdl: That does not describe how it works now.
13:59 hdl                    oleonard: I see some bug reports which imply that Koha used to hide the whole biblio from search results if all items were lost. Is that true?... If one item is lost with Hidelostitems on then the whole biblio is hidden
13:58 danmc                  thanks.
13:58 conan                  hdl: suspensions?
13:58 hdl                    conan: some patch on master are fixing that.
13:58 conan                  with pg
13:58 conan                  danmc: so you cannot deploy
13:58 conan                  danmc: errm... no, from what I understand, I'm new here, postgres is not working ATM for koha
13:57 indradg                oleonard, thanks :)
13:56 oleonard               indradg: circulation and fine rules
13:56 danmc                  I'm still in the process of getting the required perl modules in place
13:56 indradg                where do I search of the number of renewals permitted in 3.2.7?
13:56 danmc                  ah
13:56 oleonard               danmc: Koha doesn't support postgres properly yet
13:56 danmc                  conan:  based on your comment you'd suggest postgres instead of mysql for a new deployment?
13:54 conan                  oleonard: yeah, should, by I hate templates, I don't understand the reason for its existance in the first place, I'm fine with plain HTML
13:54 oleonard               <div class="dialog alert"> Your message here </div>
13:54 conan                  that's what I need to know, which animal would do the job
13:53 oleonard               What kind of beast?
13:53 oleonard               If you're already editing Perl scripts understanding template syntax should be easy
13:53 conan                  I've seen the yes/no messages, but I think the one I need is another kind of beast
13:53 conan                  oleonard: should I learn Templating right away? I was hoping for something more ... err... aimed?
13:52 oleonard               conan: You'll need to set a template variable when the right condition is met
13:51 conan                  I forbade several things and I would like to inform the logged in user about the situation
13:51 oleonard               conan: You set some condition in the script, you add the HTML to the template and show it when that condition is met
13:50 conan                  does anyone here how to show those nice yellowish message that pop up when you try to do something forbidden?
13:50 sekjal                 building Koha for flexibility let's us adapt to whatever changes may come our way
13:49 conan                  indradg: check you don't have it in 0 for the column "Renewals Allowed"
13:49 sekjal                 there will always be dependencies on other projects, and the politics of those projects could go any which way
13:49 conan                  indradg: maybe you got a limit on your circulation rules for that kind of item
13:49 indradg                conan, nope
13:49 conan                  indradg: does it say something else?
13:48 conan                  but I think we should be running away from mysql, like if our lives were in danger kind of run
13:47 conan                  of course any change will need support for some time for the old way
13:47 indradg                conan, however when I click on "Renew or return checked items" i'm getting renewal failed
13:47 sekjal                 the more systems combinations Koha can run on, the wider the adoption
13:47 conan                  "keep" ne "keep for a while"
13:47 wizzyrea               for the same reason that if we switched to solr we'd need to keep zebra support for a while
13:46 conan                  why?
13:46 sekjal                 but I think we need to keep MySQL support
13:45 sekjal                 I think Postgres does some absolutely awesome stuff.  the Evergreen database structure is gorgeous
13:44 conan                  indradg: it will change with each renewal
13:44 conan                  indradg: there are 0 renews
13:44 indradg                i'm seeing the value of "0" under "Renew (select all | none)" on the circulation page. what does this 0 signify?
13:43 * conan                supports the pg migration idea
13:43 indradg                morning wizzyrea
13:42 wizzyrea               mornin
13:42 druthb                 good morning, wizzyrea! :)
13:42 wizzyrea               I changed the text for that with jquery to "no items available"
13:42 wizzyrea               oleonard++ for answering that "no holds allowed" question
13:42 kf                     sounds cool, but the postgres limitationi s hard
13:40 gmcharlt               and play their individual parts in the workflow
13:40 gmcharlt               children table can contain the vendor/patron specific parts
13:40 gmcharlt               core table has the the basic contact info/address structure
13:40 gmcharlt               better/worse idea (though would lose compatiblity with databases other than postgres) - switch to Pg, then use table inheriteance
13:39 gmcharlt               heh
13:39 sekjal                 worse idea:  rip the whole thing out, and put in XML patron records.  then push it out to Zebra to index
13:38 gmcharlt               from a data structure point of view, yes, they're very similar
13:38 sekjal                 but this details are pretty important for the workflow of the system
13:38 sekjal                 with some differing details
13:38 sekjal                 in my mind, they're essentially the same objects
13:38 sekjal                 I think I may be approaching it from a more theoretical angle than a practical one
13:37 kf                     sekjal: I don't see the great advantage
13:37 kf                     sekjal: merging them into one table might make permission and search harder too
13:28 oleonard               I see some bug reports which imply that Koha used to hide the whole biblio from search results if all items were lost. Is that true?
13:17 conan                  hdl: tcohen told me they had the modification, so I was hoping to pull his changes, but he's gone now and I'm going to need to implement something for suspensions, the ugly hack or something else
13:17 conan                  hdl: I haven't looked at it yet because there is an ugly hack working here, so it was not a priority
13:17 gmcharlt               a consistent representation of contact and address information is fine, and desirable
13:16 gmcharlt               sekjal: which in the case of vendors and patrons, are rather different
13:16 conan                  hdl: we don't charge money here, we want suspensions to be days based
13:15 conan                  hdl: sorry, I went for a tea
13:15 sekjal                 with the necessary additional semantics to meet the needs of the specific type of creature they may be
13:15 sekjal                 I think the core of institutions and individuals should be a shared structure
13:14 sekjal                 but ILL libraries are already forced into the borrowers table
13:14 sekjal                 true
13:14 gmcharlt               but vendors don't log in the the catalog, they don't place hold requests, there are a lot of semantics that don't apply
13:13 gmcharlt               sure, address and contact information has a similar structure from patrons
13:13 gmcharlt               vendors are way different from borrowers
13:07 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6170] 'More options' in advanced search broken <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6170>
13:02 kf                     perhaps relationships, have more than one table, more difficult to load data
13:02 kf                     claim conditions
13:02 kf                     per vendor
13:02 kf                     I am thinking about notice templates
13:02 sekjal                 but the company and contact details fit perfectly into borrowers
13:01 kf                     might get more over time
13:01 sekjal                 mainly how they do their pricing in what currency, any discounts or taxes
13:01 sekjal                 there are some additional fields to factor in
13:00 kf                     if that english makes any sense..
13:00 kf                     but not sure they are too different to be good wrapped into one
13:00 kf                     perhaps I just can't wrap my head around it right now
12:59 kf                     different fields
12:59 kf                     vendors are different than borrowers
12:59 kf                     not sure
12:58 sekjal                 my grand solution is to merge vendors into borrowers, and merge acquisitons with the account system
12:58 kf                     we have some weird things going on in there
12:58 kf                     fixing the calculation would be good too
12:57 sekjal                 I think the correct solution is a new database table for invoices
12:57 kf                     right
12:57 sekjal                 a basket and a bill may contain different line items
12:56 kf                     or per basket?
12:56 kf                     hm. do you need it on order line?
12:56 kf                     no, not after closing
12:56 sekjal                 can those be changed after the basket is closed and the order received?
12:55 kf                     sekjal: only an idea, perhaps a stupid one, but if you don't use both for planning you could use one for "payment status"
12:55 sekjal                 kf: that may be the way to go for now, yes
12:54 oleonard               Hi all
12:54 kf                     sekjal: use one of the statistic value fields perhaps?
12:53 * sekjal               tries to think of work arounds
12:53 sekjal                 hmmmm
12:53 hdl                    I don't think so.
12:52 sekjal                 hdl:  so with current master, there's no way yet?
12:52 hdl                    And if there is it must have been done on HTPro.
12:52 hdl                    I haven't seen any code from osslabs, so I won't bet on that.
12:51 hdl                    some development is done on that. either by Amit and osslabs, but we also are adding a status to order lines. So that it can be paid independently
12:49 sekjal                 hdl: quick acquisitions question:  how does one mark an order as "paid for", independent of whether the material has been received yet or not?
12:48 hdl                    conan:  which suspension change ?
12:46 sekjal                 howdy, magnuse!
12:46 magnuse                kia ora sekjal
12:40 conan                  I'll have to code the suspension change myself... :(
12:40 conan                  crap
12:40 conan                  SPAIN!
12:40 kf                     namaste kmkale .)
12:37 kmkale                 heya kf :)
12:37 kf                     looks like it .)
12:36 hdl                    he was on the way to spain quite recently
12:36 huginn`                kf: tcohen was last seen in #koha 4 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <tcohen> @wunder madrid, spain
12:36 kf                     @seen tcohen
12:35 conan                  has someone seen tcohen lately?
12:17 kmkale                 :)
12:16 magnuse                namaste kmkale
12:14 druthb                 thanx, magnuse.
12:14 hdl                    hi kmkale
12:14 * kmkale               waves at magnuse & hdl
12:14 hdl                    all depending on the big circulation enhancements....
12:13 hdl                    Should be.
12:13 magnuse                hdl: sorry, was afk. i havn't got the time today, but are the patches in bugzilla?
12:12 magnuse                druthb++ # for bringing libraries live just about every weekend
12:09 kmkale                 hi conan
12:03 conan                  hi everyotherbody
11:59 druthb                 wrangling data, on my end.  Bringing libraries live just about every weekend.
11:58 kmkale                 so whats happening in Kohaland?
11:57 druthb                 ah.
11:57 kmkale                 Not been around much druthb. Business travel :(
11:57 druthb                 I've missed you lately, kmkale!
11:56 kmkale                 :) Namaste druthb
11:55 druthb                 hi, kmkale!  :D
11:51 kmkale                 Namaskar #koha
11:29 hdl                    if you care.
11:29 huginn`                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6353] Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6353>
11:29 hdl                    magnuse: about transfer limits, i guess we have pending patches on that... which are fixing the workflow... and the alert....
11:22 vfernandes             ect....
11:21 vfernandes             200:1 ^aThe nature of prejudice^fGordon W. Allport
11:21 vfernandes             102:  ^aUS
11:21 vfernandes             101:0 ^aeng
11:20 vfernandes             010:  ^aXXXXXXXX^bBrochado
11:20 vfernandes             there is any patch to Koha pro print one UNIMARC record in something like this:
11:16 vfernandes             :)
11:16 vfernandes             hi Koha community
11:12 * kf_lunch             nick kf
11:07 kf_lunch               also cool :)
11:07 kf_lunch               hm
11:06 magnuse                seems it's only about what branches can do return on behalf of what other branches?
11:05 magnuse                i'm not sure i understand what they do "Check the boxes for the libraries you accept to checkin items from."
11:03 kf_lunch               never used them, but I know you can set them up for combinations of branches
11:02 kf_lunch               magnuse: transer limits?
10:51 druthb                 :D
10:51 druthb                 you bet!
10:51 magnuse                thanks!
10:51 druthb                 correct.
10:44 magnuse                so if they were schools, you could have "pupil school a" and "teacher school a", and then only allow those two to check out anything from "library A"?
10:43 druthb                 It would not break my heart to see borrowers.branchcode be part of the circ-map equation, but that makes things pretty painful in setup.
10:42 druthb                 "Borrower from library A" is not part of the circ-map equation.  This is the sort of problem that consortia wrangle with, and --in Koha, and in other systems-- it usually gets solved by having a whole bunch of patron categories.
10:41 magnuse                ah ha
10:40 druthb                 Caveat, of couse, is that patrons from A need to be of a different category than other borrowers who *could*
10:40 druthb                 Then don't set up a circ rule for that.  If you can't borrow it, you can't hold it.
10:39 magnuse                druthb: nope
10:39 druthb                 do you want patrons from A to be able to borrow items from B, at all?
10:37 magnuse                say you have an install with 5 branches - is it possible to stop patrons at branch A from putting holds on items at branch B, but allow them to put holds on items from branch C?
10:35 magnuse                \o
10:24 druthb                 o/
08:49 kf                     rangi++
08:49 kf                     rangi
08:33 rangi                  if anyone wants to try lemme know and ill show you how to config it, and then write it up on the wiki
08:32 rangi                  git://gitorious.org/git-bz/git-bz.git
08:30 rangi                  ill push to gitorious
08:29 rangi                  if it gets accepted that should be all good, but for now if you want to test
08:28 * rangi                just sent a patch for git-bz
08:22 kf                     oh sweet, he even does your/my
08:22 wahanui                druthb is, like, a well-defined figment of my imagination
08:22 kf                     druthb?
08:22 kf                     druthb
08:22 kf                     druthb is a well-defined figment of your imagination
08:10 jenkins_koha           Frédéric Demians: Improve error message when translation installation fails
08:10 jenkins_koha           Project Koha_master build #253: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/253/
08:05 druthb                 :P
08:05 druthb                 druthb?
08:05 druthb                 oooo...forgot I'd done that.
08:04 wahanui                i think jdavidb is no more...call her druthb now, please.
08:04 druthb                 jdavidb?
08:04 * druthb               wiggles her eyebrows.
08:04 kf                     druthb?
08:04 kf                     !
08:04 wahanui                kf is cait or really, really sweet.
08:04 druthb                 kf?
08:03 kf                     druthb?
07:42 * druthb               is a well-defined figment of your imagination.
07:41 kf                     she can not be real, because druthb must be sleeping
07:41 * kf                   ignores druthb
07:40 druthb                 hi, kf.  :D
07:39 kf                     hi #koha
07:31 huginn`                New commit(s) kohagit: Improve error message when translation installation fails <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6b591d95fd40eb68bfa71761010bf85e3116c5b>
07:28 jenkins_koha           Starting build 253 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:20 rangi                  evening
06:35 alex_a                 hi cait :)
06:34 cait                   biab
06:34 hdl                    bonjour cait
06:34 cait                   bonjour hdl
06:28 cait                   hi alex_a :)
06:27 alex_a                 bonjour #koha
05:57 cait                   hi Ropuch :)
05:56 Ropuch                 Morning #koha
05:36 druthb                 cait++ #bestest friend evar
05:36 bg                     heh
05:36 druthb                 bg++ #whether he wants it or not--BEST BOSS EVAR
05:36 druthb                 hmpf on the both of ya.
05:34 cait                   listen to your boss!
05:34 bg                     yup druthb go to bed :)
05:33 Oak                    Hello cait
05:32 druthb                 hehehe..
05:32 cait                   go to bed druthb!
05:32 cait                   hi Oak
05:31 Oak                    hiya druthb :)
05:30 druthb                 Kia ora.
04:58 cait                   hi eythian and AmitG :)
04:58 AmitG                  heya cait
04:57 eythian                good evening
04:56 cait                   good morning #koha
04:20 Oak                    \o
03:30 * Brooke               knows what she's doin' tomorrow.
03:30 Brooke                 ah ha! Totally here, along with the smut. Eggsellent.
03:28 * Brooke               isn't sure whether it got stuck behind scandalous Tudors smut or no.
03:28 Brooke                 अशोक is in the mail. Or possibly here.
03:25 indradg                lol
03:25 indradg                AmitG, morning
03:25 Brooke                 it's a scam to get me to sites I want to see. :P
03:24 AmitG                  heya Bg, indradg
03:24 indradg                Brooke, whats that?
03:24 * Brooke               is toying with the idea of an adopt a firang programme.
03:23 bg                     hi AmitG
03:23 AmitG                  heya chris, brooke
03:23 Brooke                 0/
03:19 indradg                folks, with 3.2.7 is it possible to add a confirmation (for circulation staff) before they checkout items?
03:17 Brooke                 0/
03:13 rangi                  heh
03:12 sijobl                 hyphenation seems like cheating
03:11 eythian                http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/al.html <-- rangi
02:50 rangi                  the things you find when you are setting up for a demo
02:50 Brooke                 tee hee
02:50 Space_Librarian        O.o
02:49 rangi                  RETOLD IN WORDS OF ONE SYLLABLE
02:49 rangi                  ALICE'S ADVENTURES IN WONDERLAND
02:49 rangi                  http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19551/19551-h/19551-h.htm
02:49 rangi                  heres my random find of the day
02:49 Space_Librarian        tena koe Brooke
02:48 Brooke                 o/
02:48 rangi                  heya bg and Brooke
02:46 Brooke                 kia ora even
02:46 Brooke                 eep
02:46 Brooke                 kai ora
02:43 bg                     evening
02:32 rangi                  biblibre have
02:30 library_systems_guy262 rangi, do you know of anybody in particular that has pulled this off?
02:27 library_systems_guy262 week*
02:27 library_systems_guy262 i hope it does, i spent the better part of a moving our old site to drupal
02:26 rangi                  no guarantees its will work :) but worth a try :)
02:25 library_systems_guy262 thanks rangi, you're the man
02:25 rangi                  http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x13383
02:24 library_systems_guy262 i just googled it real quick but i didn't get a first page return...i think that makes me a lazy googler
02:24 rangi                  2 secs
02:24 rangi                  its in the manual
02:23 library_systems_guy262 i know nengard showed it to us during the demo that she did
02:22 library_systems_guy262 does anybody know the page for integrating koha with drupal
00:58 glernil                reaffirmed Bug 2708
00:42 glernil                good day!
00:32 pianohacker            bbl
00:24 druthb                 o/