IRC log for #koha, 2011-03-30

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00:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #87: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/87/
00:25 jenkins_koha Paul Poulain: Bug 3629 : search limit by group is not OK
00:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3629 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, search limit by group is not OK
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01:31 bg @wunder 93109
01:31 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.9�C (6:32 PM PDT on March 29, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 8 am PDT Wednesday...
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02:00 eythian hypothetically, say I were rewriting the Koha accounts system, is it worthwhile allowing the borrower to go into credit?
02:01 mtj yes
02:01 eythian OK cool
02:02 eythian I was hoping everyone would say "no, that never happens, ever, ignore it as a possibility."
02:02 eythian But didn't expect that to happen.
02:02 mtj i have some public libraries, that allow $10 bux credit to be loaded on an patron account, etc
02:03 eythian ah right, that makes sense.
02:03 mtj yeah, its pretty common usage for public-libs. me thinks...
02:13 rangi yeah hlt do that
02:13 rangi you pay $20
02:13 rangi get $25 of credit
02:13 rangi to use for dvd rentals et al
02:14 eythian ah right
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02:19 sekjal trying to profile circ/ with NYTProf, but running that page with 'insecure' set in the sysprefs gives me a circulation error
02:19 sekjal "This item belongs to and cannot be issued from this location."
02:19 sekjal how could I fake a session from the commandline?
02:20 rangi did you see mike hafens bash script
02:20 rangi he sent to koha-devel yesterday or day before
02:20 rangi does exactly that
02:20 sekjal where there you go
02:31 sekjal apparently the IP from my browser is not matching my IP from the cl
02:31 sekjal hmmm
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02:44 gmcharlt sekjal: it's just a couple checks in C4/ that could be comment out for the sake of testing
03:27 AmitG heya chris
03:28 rangi heya AmitG
03:29 rangi dont mention the cricket :)
03:29 AmitG haaa
03:29 AmitG why?
03:30 AmitG yesterday NZ loose the match
03:30 rangi badly
03:30 space_librarian nooooooooooo! Don't mention the cricket!
03:30 AmitG today india vs pakistan
03:30 AmitG big match
03:30 AmitG chris: what do u think u will win the WC
03:31 space_librarian We lost the match when Vettori sent us into bat first. Sigh. Now all I have left to support if India!
03:31 space_librarian is*
03:31 AmitG thanx space_librarian
03:31 rangi i always support the team that beat us
03:31 rangi unless that team is australia
03:31 AmitG hmm
03:31 rangi or any team graeme smith is in
03:31 space_librarian lol
03:31 AmitG hmmm
03:31 space_librarian nice
03:31 rangi i hate that guy
03:31 AmitG why chris
03:31 space_librarian he's resigned, you know.
03:31 AmitG yes i know
03:32 AmitG Ricky Pointing also resigned
03:32 rangi no personality
03:32 space_librarian hooray!
03:32 * space_librarian is not a Ponting fan
03:32 AmitG Today i m on half day
03:33 rangi so you can go watch?
03:33 AmitG yes
03:33 AmitG sure
03:33 AmitG India vs Pak
03:33 rangi excellent
03:33 space_librarian I think India has a good chance, if they can get the runs on the board, and Kamran Akmal is at his usual stellar best.
03:33 AmitG hmmm
03:33 space_librarian This will be a great game. Enjoy watching it.
03:33 AmitG rangi: Sachin total century 99
03:34 sekjal ugh.  cannot get a successful checkout from the commandline.  got the sessions/IP thing resolved, I think, but still a mostly-dataless page back
03:34 AmitG If india scored 300 plus they will definitely  win
03:34 space_librarian I'd say if they get 250
03:34 space_librarian they'll win
03:35 AmitG hmmm
03:35 AmitG pakistan bowling is good but batting is not so good
03:35 space_librarian Pakistan is just too erratic
03:35 AmitG yes
03:36 AmitG space_librarian: what do u think who will win the WC
03:36 space_librarian If it's PAK-SL, then SL, if it's India-SL, I think India could do it at home, for the Master.
03:37 AmitG hmmm
03:37 AmitG now the fight between three asian country for WC
03:37 AmitG India-SL-Pak
03:37 space_librarian which works...
03:37 AmitG Asia
03:39 space_librarian Asia is the winner on the day.
03:39 space_librarian Your thoughts?
03:41 AmitG i mean to say WC is in asia
03:51 bg heya AmitG
03:52 AmitG heya bg
04:04 sekjal got a circulation to run through the profiler
04:05 sekjal at last
04:18 bg :)
04:21 bg[…]ge=110329/Cricket
04:27 space_librarian bg: nice. You think he'll hit a ton tonight?
04:28 bg one of my friends got a picture with him like 8 years ago - I've still got that kicking around somewhere
04:28 bg yeah he should - it's the big stage now
04:29 space_librarian I remember when he first started as a 16 year old... and he always performs brilliantly under the spotlight.
04:36 rangi gah stinky bus today
04:36 bg heh - sorry about that
04:36 bg smells nice on this side of the keyboard
04:37 rangi heh
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05:33 cait morning #koha
05:33 space_librarian_home evening cait! :)
05:37 bg heya cait
05:38 cait hi bg and space_librarian :)
05:46 bg cait what's happening - how's things
05:46 cait things are good
05:46 cait trying to get some things done before chris' deadline on april 1st
05:47 cait how are you?
05:47 bg ok
05:47 bg putting off work :)
05:48 bg kind of feels warm out tonight
05:48 bg @wunder 93109
05:48 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.2�C (10:48 PM PDT on March 29, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 8 am PDT Wednesday...
05:48 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:48 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.5�C (7:45 AM CEST on March 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Steady).
05:48 bg yeah that's weird for 11pm (23:00)
05:49 bg @wunder wellington, nz
05:49 huginn bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (6:00 PM NZDT on March 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
05:49 bg heh - been racking up wins all day rangi
05:49 cait it's still early here - think we will get another nice spring day
06:01 cait my search index is still broken :(
06:06 space_librarian_home we've had a stunning day in wellington. Lunch in the sun, even. :)
06:16 cait we are not far from that
06:21 rangi evening
06:22 cait hi rangi
06:28 cait jcamins++
06:28 cait because he was so right about my search index problem
06:29 rangi what was causing it?
06:29 cait I thought I had copied all 3 files to koha-dev.... but seems I did only 2 and missed
06:30 cait and missing was his first idea
06:36 rangi ah right
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06:38 cait morning magnuse :)
06:38 magnuse guten morgen cait & #koha
06:42 cait ok, time for work
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06:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4393: Scan Indexes results cannot be sorted <[…]a779d0182167c36f3> / Bug 5964 : Translation problem on aqbudgets.tmpl <[…]0839f4368355eb8e9> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5940' into kcmaster <[…]ha.git;a=commitdi
07:00 jenkins_koha Starting build 88 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:01 julian hello #koha
07:07 rangi hi julian
07:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5708 : Get Correct Discount when levying rentalcharge <[…]6207bf2d1dcdffeff> / Bug 5982 : OPAC Serials Minor change in description <[…]2c4a752e7c5abd5c1> / Fix for Bug 5972 - DisplayClearScreenButton preference introduces invalid markup <http://git.koha-c
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07:13 rangi *sigh* why do people think that posting the same thing to a mailing list again and again will actually work
07:14 magnuse heh - because it works in other walks of life? ;-)
07:16 rangi it does?
07:16 rangi in my house, it gets you a timeout
07:19 magnuse well, i suspect that's not the case in every house... ;-)
07:21 magnuse and we passed 6000 bugs!
07:21 rangi yep
07:21 rangi i still have about 100 more patches to do tomorrow and friday
07:23 magnuse patches that need bugs?
07:24 magnuse sounds like you will not run out of things to do, then...
07:24 rangi yep
07:24 magnuse i'm getting some whitespace errors when i rebase, should i do anything about them or just ignore?
07:25 rangi if you want to fix them, that would be good, if not, thats fine too
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07:26 kf good morning all
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07:26 magnuse ok, thanks rangi
07:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5547 : Bumping db version <[…]d3fc4eeb5a80325f3> / Bug 5547: Hide Lost Items dev <[…]781085521411e6c26>
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07:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #88: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/88/
07:39 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5687: Add pref StaffAuthorisedValueImages for staff search results
07:39 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5687: Add pref StaffAuthorisedValueImages for staff search results (install)
07:39 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5687 : Bumping database version
07:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5687 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Add preference for display of AuthorisedValueImages at staff search results
07:39 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 5940: Acq and Suggestion Help Files for 3.4
07:39 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5964 : Translation problem on aqbudgets.tmpl
07:39 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 4393: Scan Indexes results cannot be sorted
07:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5940 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, Update Help Files for 3.4
07:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5964 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, aqbudgets.tmpl contains untranslatable fields
07:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4393 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Searching with scan indexes and sort by title fails
07:39 jenkins_koha Starting build 89 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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08:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #89: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/89/
08:19 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5971, Minor markup error in holds queue report
08:19 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5972 - DisplayClearScreenButton preference introduces invalid markup
08:19 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5982 : OPAC Serials Minor change in description
08:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5971 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Minor markup error in holds queue report
08:19 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 5708 : Get Correct Discount when levying rentalcharge
08:19 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 5547: Hide Lost Items dev
08:19 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5547 : Bumping db version
08:19 jenkins_koha * Ian Walls: Bug 5548: Hard Due Dates Circ Rule
08:19 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5548 bumping db version number
08:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5972 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, DisplayClearScreenButton preference introduces invalid markup
08:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5982 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, OPAC : Serials changing some wording on opac-detail.tmpl
08:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5708 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Incorrect Discount applied to rental charge at checkout
08:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5547 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, A "hidelostitems" option for the staff client
08:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule
08:30 magnuse woohoo
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08:53 rangi just fixed some bugs for TT too
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10:46 magnuse o/
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11:31 JesseM G' Morning #Koha
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11:52 nengard morning JesseM
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11:52 JesseM hi nengard
11:52 larryb G'morning all.
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11:55 jcamins_away savitra++
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12:05 francharb hi all
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12:20 tcohen hi #koha
12:21 tcohen i've just marked bug 5165 as duplicate of bug 5166
12:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5165 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Rewrite zebraqueue scripts to use
12:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Refactor into a library
12:22 tcohen as the patches for the latter include what is needed to fix the first
12:22 tcohen one was dependant on the other, thou
12:22 tcohen and i've found that to be the best approach
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12:28 oleonard_ I thought this was a T:T problem, but now I'm in master and it looks like the SearchMyLibraryFirst option is in effect even with the pref off
12:28 oleonard_ Can anyone confirm?
12:30 jcamins oleonard_: I'll check.
12:30 oleonard_ Symtom: I see the "Search (in [my branch] only)" label in the OPAC now
12:31 hdl oleonard we had that problem with the new preference system. You could / should check the value in the database and how C4::Boolean is considering that value
12:31 jcamins Just to confirm- you don't have OPAC_LIMIT_OVERRIDE set, right?
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12:32 oleonard jcamins: I don't know what that is
12:32 jcamins oleonard: I'll take that as a no. ;)
12:32 oleonard Okay, but don't leave me in the dark
12:33 jcamins It's used for overriding the search limits for individual OPACs.
12:34 jcamins You set it as an environment variable in your VirtualHosts.
12:34 oleonard What kind of limits does it override?
12:34 jcamins Branch.
12:35 jcamins oleonard: okay, how can I reproduce the problem you're having?
12:35 oleonard In your OPAC's main search bar do you see "Search (in [your branch] only)" as the search form label?
12:35 jcamins No.
12:36 jcamins I have a dropdown for choosing.
12:36 jcamins Weird.
12:36 jcamins There are two copies of SearchMyLibraryFirst.
12:36 oleonard Yeah, I filed a bug for that yesterday
12:37 oleonard So you have OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown turned on
12:37 jcamins Yeah, but I just tried with it turned off, too.
12:38 jcamins Ah-ha!
12:38 jcamins The problem is that you can't change SearchMyLibraryFirst to "Don't allow" anymore.
12:39 jwagner jcamins, what do you mean?  I have the OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown on and the SearchMyLibraryFirst off, and it works properly.
12:39 jcamins jwagner: try turning on SearchMyLibraryFirst.
12:39 jcamins Then try turning it off.
12:39 jcamins Wait!
12:39 jcamins Don't do that.
12:39 oleonard jwagner: Probably because you haven't touched the pref recently
12:39 jcamins Back up your systempreferences table.
12:40 jcamins *then* do that.
12:41 jwagner Too late now :-)  With the pulldown on, I set the search library to limit (which worked), then back to don't limit, which is now defaulting to the branch library instead of all
12:41 oleonard I'm assuming this is because of Bug 5988
12:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5988 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in english opac.pref file
12:41 jcamins Yeah, I imagine.
12:41 jcamins If you send a patch, I'll sign off.
12:42 oleonard When I looked in mysql the value for the SearchMyLibraryFirst variable was "1,1"
12:42 jwagner Now when I look in the systempreferences table for that variable, there is only one result (although i see two in the syspref editor), and the value is ,
12:43 jwagner Setting it back to Don't Limit makes the value be 1,1
12:45 gmcharlt jcamins: re backing up system preferences in general - always a good idea, but also note that changes are (by default) log to action_logs
12:45 gmcharlt this can, on occassion, be a time-saver
12:45 gmcharlt not that I'm speaking from experience or anything
12:45 * gmcharlt whistles innocently
12:45 jcamins :)
12:46 jwagner Turning off the masthead syspref doesn't make any difference now to the search first one -- changing the settings still only gets a value of , or 1,1
12:46 oleonard Right jwagner, because of Bug 5988.
12:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5988 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, SearchMyLibraryFirst preference appears twice in english opac.pref file
12:46 jwagner gmcharlt, just for the sake of curiosity, where are the action_logs
12:47 jwagner They don't seem to be under koha-dev/var/log
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12:56 gmcharlt jwagner: it's a table by that name in the database
12:57 jwagner Ah.  I could see it under Tools, Log Viewer, but that didn't give me the full syntax.
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13:07 oleonard druthb: Re: Bug 6004, please see also Bug 4040
13:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6004 minor, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, checking in an item that needs to be transferred home, and is on-hold for a patron, causes dual transfer message box
13:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Checking in an already confirmed on-hold item results in duplicate dialogs
13:07 druthb well, foo.  I searched, but didn't find that one.
13:08 oleonard Make sure the symptoms seem the same. I did quite a bit of research on 4040.
13:08 druthb The current behavior is very similar, only it's showing both messages at the same time.
13:09 druthb I'll test to see if my one-liner for 6004 fixes some of this;  it might.
13:10 magnuse anyone got an opinion on a name and category for the syspref in Bug 5671?
13:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5671 enhancement, P5, ---, magnus, NEW, Add a column of custom HTML to "my summary"
13:11 * tcohen is dreaming of zebraqueue_daemon making it into 3.4
13:12 oleonard magnuse: OpacUserCustomHTML?
13:12 magnuse hm, i was thinking maybe OPACMySummaryHTML, since that is the exact location?
13:12 oleonard That sounds fine to me.
13:13 oleonard I would put it under the OPAC category for sure.
13:14 magnuse ok, will do, thanks!
13:16 sekjal magnuse: I was just looking at that for one our libraries... hacked it together with extra HTML in the OPACSearchForTitleIn (to close the divs and such), but this is much better
13:16 magnuse sekjal: cool!
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13:29 jwagner magnuse, I think there could be wider application -- one of the problems I had with OPAC SearchForTitleIn is that the variables are only available if you're in that tiny piece of the page.  I'd like to see some variables that are available anywhere on any record display or wherever a biblionumber is referenced.  I think people might want to put e.g. Facebook links on a title display, or a...
13:29 jwagner ...List, or other places.
13:32 druthb oleonard: only the last case in Bug 4040 is not fixed, either by code having moved some since it was filed, or by my patch for 6004.  The rest all appear to work correctly with this change.
13:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Checking in an already confirmed on-hold item results in duplicate dialogs
13:33 oleonard Great news druthb
13:34 druthb I'll make a note in 4040, and xref to 6004.
13:35 magnuse jwagner: i agree completely, but my client specifically asked for the "my summary" stuff, so i guess i'll concentrate on that first and see how faar i get...
13:36 jwagner I was just thinking if there was a way to write the feature so that the variables are available anywhere, then later features (or maybe jquery?) could make use of them in other places, instead of having to replicate them.
13:36 jcamins gmcharlt: if you need a sign-off on the updated frameworks, just give me a shout.
13:38 oleonard The first example in 4040 seems to be fixed now in master
13:38 tcohen what 'database' should I use to access a koha's publicserver (z39.50)?
13:38 jcamins Nice!
13:38 jcamins cait++
13:39 magnuse jwagner: i can see a series of sysprefs for placing html below the items, above the items etc, all powered by the same code for getting the variables...
13:39 jwagner Sounds good!
13:40 magnuse tcohen:
13:40 magnuse if you chose the default port
13:41 jcamins Okay, here's a question: if I am testing a patch, and it seems to work, but I see an error, do I write a follow-up patch, or do I amend the commit?
13:41 gmcharlt jcamins: thx
13:41 tcohen magnuse: no results...
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13:41 magnuse tcohen: what do you see? an error?
13:42 tcohen YAZ 4.0.10
13:42 tcohen Error: 404
13:42 tcohen Description: Not Found
13:42 tcohen (that's in the browser, on z39.50 search from koha I get no results)
13:42 magnuse tcohen: i think that is a problem with your config
13:43 magnuse did you enable publicserver in koha-conf.xml?
13:44 tcohen yeap
13:44 tcohen <listen id="publicserver" >tcp:@:7090</listen>
13:44 sekjal magnuse / jwagner :  I was always impressed by the flexibility of the ISBD parser
13:45 sekjal to bring in data from anywhere in the record
13:45 jcamins tcohen: you'll have to change the port to 7090, then.
13:45 sekjal perhaps that could be exploited for wider application
13:45 jwagner sekjal, I've never even looked at that -- sounds like an interesting possibility
13:46 tcohen jcamins: of course, is there a publicserver specific config section?
13:47 magnuse tcohen: and did you copy and paste a lot of stuff from koha-conf.xml, as described in bug 5667?
13:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5667 minor, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, koha-conf.xml missing entry for z39.50 publicserver
13:47 jcamins gmcharlt: (or anyone) I just broke git.
13:47 jcamins Help!
13:47 gmcharlt ?
13:47 jcamins I accidentally applied a patch to the wrong branch.
13:47 jcamins And I need to amend the previous patch.
13:48 jcamins So I tried git revert, and it didn't like that.
13:48 tcohen magnuse: that's it, it's missing in 3.0.6
13:48 tcohen too
13:48 jcamins It says "Automatic revert failed."
13:49 gmcharlt if it's just a working branch, i.e., not published, you could do a git rebase -i to make the patch go away from the wrong branch
13:50 wizzyrea interesting
13:50 wizzyrea can anyone duplicate this in FF4: when printing a transit slip, a message comes up "prevent this page from creating additional dialogs (ok) (cancel)"
13:51 gmcharlt the "prevent this page from creating additional dialogs" bit is new in FF4, I believe
13:51 jcamins Thanks!
13:52 wizzyrea it doesn't seem to happen on the other slips, just on the transit slip
13:52 wizzyrea I think it comes back every time... let me check
13:52 wizzyrea yep, every time you try to print a slip
13:52 * wizzyrea investigates how to turn that off
13:53 tcohen magnuse: damn, that's one of those things I don't understand of koha, that section is missing since 3.0 at least!
13:53 wizzyrea ah, I see the purpose of it though
13:53 wizzyrea it's to keep sites from popping up message after message
13:55 magnuse tcohen: agreed, guess no one has gotten round to fixing it... maybe there are few of us who actually turn z39.50 on?
13:56 tcohen sure, something similar happened to OAI access that didn't work on standard install....
13:56 tcohen because of a trivial hardcoded path....
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13:59 wizzyrea oleonard: about
13:59 wizzyrea ?
13:59 oleonard Yes
14:00 wizzyrea there shouldn't be two window.print() requests in the transit slip, right?
14:00 * wizzyrea sees two
14:00 oleonard No, having two doesn't make any sense
14:01 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "the two window.print" (6 lines) at
14:01 wizzyrea which is the one we should keep?
14:04 oleonard I would put the print() and close() inside a function and call that from the onload()
14:04 tcohen magnuse: thanks so much, muchas gracias
14:05 magnuse tcohen: no problem!
14:05 wizzyrea k
14:07 wizzyrea i'm a nub... like so?
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14:07 oleonard Yes
14:07 wizzyrea yay ok
14:07 wizzyrea ty
14:11 tcohen magnuse: should publicserver be pass protected in a default install?
14:13 magnuse sorry, tcohen, are you asking if it is by default, or if it is a good idea to make it pass protected?
14:13 tcohen i'll send a patch for that, and was asking myself what was the best as default
14:15 tcohen i guess the password doesn't prevent people from searching (just tested on 2.0.43)
14:18 magnuse tcohen: i must admit i never figured out what the password was for, maybe for changing the databse?
14:18 gmcharlt magnuse: yes, there are some extend services that Zebra has that can allow updates via Z39.50
14:18 gmcharlt that's the main purpose
14:19 tcohen gmcharlt: index definition for example?
14:19 gmcharlt tcohen: no, records
14:19 tcohen ok
14:19 magnuse gmcharlt: thanks. that makes sense
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14:31 jcamins My cat has decided to start drinking my water.
14:36 wizzyrea :) you have a tricksy cat
14:36 wizzyrea it's fresher than the water in her bowl!
14:36 wizzyrea and probably icy coldQ
14:36 wizzyrea (it's why they like the toilet too)
14:36 oleonard My cat would always do that with my wife's water. Proof, according to my wife, that the cat was jealous of her and wanted me for her own.
14:37 wizzyrea hehe
14:37 jcamins But, I fill Myshkin's bowl out of my glass!
14:37 jcamins And I even gave him is own glass of water.
14:37 wizzyrea haha
14:38 wizzyrea arg, I just spotted something that I may have to fix rightnow.
14:39 wizzyrea but I feel I must stay on task!
14:39 oleonard File a bug, assign to yourself.
14:39 wizzyrea good call
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14:48 oleonard Was that Bug 6006 wizzyrea? That's a good call too.
14:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6006 enhancement, P5, ---, wizzyrea, NEW, Move location from current location to home library column on
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14:48 wizzyrea yea, that was for 6006
14:49 * wizzyrea is the proud owner of a palindrome bug
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14:52 * jwagner offers a greeting more in tune with a feline's sense of status: Greetings, oh respected household diety
14:52 jcamins He took that as an indication you were going to give him more dry food.
14:52 * oleonard wonders if jcamins performs myshkin's interior monologue out loud using a little kitty voice
14:53 * oleonard must be losing it, tried to tab-complete Myshkin's name
14:54 jcamins oleonard: Myshkin is more than articulate enough without me performing his interior monologue.
14:55 wizzyrea jcamins: does myshkin do the cracked out kitty tail shiver?
14:55 * wizzyrea wonders if only my cat does that
14:55 druthb Mine does that, too.
14:56 oleonard Everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
14:56 marcelr jcamins: hi, did you also look at the analytical part of patch 5959?
14:56 oleonard Alternatively: Whoa, that dude just tried to do a triple cracked out kitty tail shiver and totally wiped out! It was awesome!
14:56 jcamins marcelr: What do you mean?
14:57 marcelr wondering if it works correctly now?
14:57 jcamins It seems to.
14:57 jcamins a
14:57 marcelr for a serial now points to all records with rcn = that serial id
14:57 jcamins *Are you still seeing problems?
14:58 marcelr thought that analytical recs have other meaning
14:58 jcamins Hm.
14:59 jcamins It worked properly when I tested it.
14:59 marcelr serial item and mono item should share an item
14:59 jwagner @quote add <oleonard>Everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
14:59 huginn jwagner: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
14:59 jwagner Harrumph.
14:59 druthb @quote random
14:59 huginn druthb: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009)
15:00 marcelr jcamins: the link works fine but is it always appropriate info>?
15:00 jwagner Someone remind me how to identify to huginn?
15:00 jwagner I was set up OK with munin
15:00 jcamins marcelr: it is for the data I used.
15:00 wizzyrea @quote get 23
15:00 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
15:00 wizzyrea s/munin/huginn
15:01 wizzyrea @quote add <member:oleonard>Everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
15:01 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #122 added.
15:01 oleonard That one is going to be great in a year with no context :)
15:01 jcamins marcelr: what are you thinking it should do?
15:02 jcamins (you're probably right... my former employer did some kind of weird things with analytic records)
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15:02 wizzyrea hehe yea
15:02 marcelr am not sure abou it yet
15:04 marcelr jcamins: could we ask the india developer about it that worked on analytics?
15:05 jcamins marcelr: on my to-do list is looking over the revised code from Amit and Savitra.
15:05 marcelr ok we ll see later thanks
15:06 jcamins I think my feeling is that there could certainly be improvements in the analytics handling (and it's on my to-do list), but kf's patch gets us a good deal further than we were (and much farther than any other ILS I've used!).
15:06 wizzyrea 6006 done, but had to set back to another branch so the peeps could check something else
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15:08 tcohen magnuse, i've snet a patch for the z39.50 issue
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15:15 druthb Okay...some clever-er-than-me-jQuery-ist:  How to turn off the highlighting in the staff client, by default?
15:18 kf_mtg marcelr: I wondered about the naming too - I think inventory number sounds better. the stock number attribute description indicated it's a number used for ordering, while the attribute I picked is a number given during acquisition
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15:18 kf_mtg marcelr: that seemed like the proper description to me
15:19 oleonard druthb: Develop a corresponding preference for the staff client so it can be turned off? :)
15:19 kf_mtg marcelr: I have been in an inhouse training all day and already on the jump, will try to look at your comments more closely later tonight
15:20 kf_mtg gna
15:20 kf_mtg he is not even here.
15:20 kf_mtg *sighs*
15:20 kf_mtg jcamins: could you take a look at marcelr's comment on the stocknumber issue?
15:20 kf_mtg bug 5839
15:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5839 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Add mapping for items.stocknumber to MARC21
15:22 druthb hmpf.
15:22 druthb oleonard, you're soooo helpful!  :P
15:22 oleonard druthb: Do you want it disabled, or do you want them to be able to highlight if they want to?
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15:22 druthb I wouldn't mind  them being *able* to, I just want it off-by-default.
15:23 oleonard You could nuke the highlight with a custom style (set the background color to none and the font color to black)
15:23 oleonard But that would break the highlight on demand option
15:24 Raothmist Hello!!!
15:24 druthb I tried that...the problem is, when you have a seriously large number of terms, as in a series title, it causes the highlight script to time out, throwing an error.  That's the real problem.
15:24 druthb changing the style doesn't fix that.
15:24 oleonard Wow, that's got to be a lot of terms
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15:25 druthb when there's a lot of "and" and "the" on the page, and it's trying to highlight them, yah.
15:25 oleonard druthb: I'm not aware of a way to use custom js to prevent the function from running
15:26 druthb hm
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15:29 druthb It's only called up in results.tmpl; I could wrap a syspref-based IF around a few little slices of that, and make the whole feature hide away, like the OPAC.
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15:35 Raothmist i cant install the Graphic::Magick for the 3.2
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15:42 Raothmist any help there
15:50 jcamins Raothmist: no idea, but Graphics Magick isn't necessary.
15:51 Raothmist but the instalation on 3.2 need it O.o
15:52 jcamins Raothmist: did you actually try using Koha without it?
15:54 Raothmist uumm... nop i just trying to upgrade from 3.0 to 3.2
15:54 jcamins Raothmist: why don't you try it and see if it works.
15:54 Raothmist i can install it later no?
15:54 wizzyrea Raothmist: it's only required if you are using patron images
15:54 wizzyrea or generating barcodes (I think)
15:55 Raothmist um... i generate barcodes in 3.0 without it
15:55 Raothmist but the patron images sounds interesting
15:56 Raothmist in fact there's 2 warnings in the makePL the Graphic::Magick
15:56 Raothmist and the PDF::API2::Simple
15:57 jcamins Raothmist: I use Koha without either.
15:58 jcamins larryb++
15:58 sekjal larryb++
15:59 Raothmist Ok i�ll make the upgrade and tells you what happend :p
16:01 nengard larryb++ for being an awesome new team member
16:02 larryb Aw, shucks. Thanks guys.
16:02 Raothmist <3
16:04 druthb larryb++
16:05 druthb @karma larryb
16:05 huginn druthb: Karma for "larryb" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
16:05 jcamins colinc++
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16:11 wizzyrea druthb++ #for epic 1 liners
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16:12 druthb thanx, wizzyrea.
16:12 oleonard nengard: Can you give me an example for Bug 5933
16:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5933 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Keyword to Marc mapping not working in opac
16:12 * druthb is about to toss anohter one-liner over the wall, for Bug 5305.
16:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5305 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Resorting results of CCL queries fails in Staff Client
16:13 nengard oleonard sekjal is looking into it
16:13 nengard the example i have is on my local machine
16:13 oleonard the example I'm looking at works with 245h and 245b on opac-detail
16:14 nengard hmm
16:14 sekjal the subroutine which fetches the data doesn't appear in
16:15 nengard yes, i was talking about the search results
16:15 nengard the mappings do appear on the staff search results
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16:19 sekjal hmmm.... I think the $subtitle calls got lost in opac-search at some point
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16:21 sekjal you know, if we flushed out Keyword to MARC mappings, we could seriously reduce the need for the XSLT display
16:23 sekjal add types 'author', 'type', 'series', 'publisher', 'description', 'isbn', 'subject', and maybe a couple others, and we could make the Normal view for details completely customizable
16:24 sekjal "only show 650 and 655 fields in subjects?"  "Sure!"
16:24 sekjal "ignore subfield 650$v ?" "why not?"
16:26 jcamins wizzyrea: I think you just attached your patch to the wrong bug?
16:26 wizzyrea I did >.<
16:26 wizzyrea it's probably a sign
16:27 wizzyrea I fixed it, sorta.
16:27 wizzyrea it's back the way it was anyway
16:28 wizzyrea there we go
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16:37 druthb wizzyrea++ # <3  Thanks for the quick sign-off!
16:37 Raothmist Update 3.0 to 3.2 done
16:39 wizzyrea np, glad to help
16:39 oleonard Can someone remind me what the dashfix issue with Template Toolkit was?
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16:43 sekjal wizzyrea++ (for being awesome to work for in general)
16:44 wizzyrea aw, thanks :)
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16:54 jcamins wizzyrea++ # same reason
16:54 oleonard Painfully many problems in testing Bug 5917
16:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit
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16:55 jcamins Well, rangi did warn us there would be.
17:03 rangi oleonard: variable names need to be valid perl variable names with tt
17:03 rangi so not blah-blah
17:03 rangi blah_blah is ok tho
17:03 oleonard Okay, thanks for the reminder
17:03 rangi last night i fixed some that were blah,blah
17:03 wizzyrea oi
17:04 oleonard ??
17:04 rangi yeah, indexes on the results page
17:04 rangi su,phr
17:04 rangi etc
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17:05 rangi most of the fixes are simple things like that
17:05 rangi or scoping issues
17:05 rangi i fixed the biblionumbers missing in the results page too
17:05 rangi so while there will be a lot, they are fast to fix at least
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17:31 Brooke kia ora!
17:31 magnuse kia ora Brooke
17:31 Brooke :)
17:31 rangi hi Brooke
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18:02 Brooke[…]ossom-web-cam.htm
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18:08 Brooke teh ohnoes, COBOL pirates have seized the Smithsonian!
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18:17 * Brooke waves to johnindy
18:28 rangi back
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18:33 * Brooke waves to nengard
18:34 nengard hiya
18:39 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on March 31, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
18:40 rangi its gonna be a nice day, blue skies again
18:41 Brooke must you taunt?
18:41 rangi heh
18:41 rangi well I get to spend it in an office
18:41 jcamins Woohoo! Successfully tested bug 5738!
18:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5738 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, dearden, ASSIGNED, Display the URI in 856u as an Image
18:42 rangi making bug entries and reformatting patches
18:42 rangi wanna swap?
18:42 jcamins rangi: me? Heck no!
18:44 tcohen hi, i was looking at bug 4189
18:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4189 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Searching z39.50 without selecting any servers results in error message
18:45 tcohen which is still present in master
18:45 tcohen and wanted to ask: handle empty list on .pl side vs. javascript check on submit
18:45 tcohen which de u devs prefer?
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18:46 bg @wunder 93109
18:46 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 24.1�C (11:45 AM PDT on March 30, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady).
18:46 * oleonard prefers both, but usually doesn't get his way
18:46 bg woo rangi that maybe tough to catch today
18:46 rangi yeah no chance bg
18:47 rangi tcohen .pl + js
18:47 rangi or .pl
18:47 Brooke 9 in Wellies > 21 in SB
18:47 rangi but never just. js
18:47 tcohen oleonard & rangi: ack
18:47 rangi both is best
18:48 rangi serverside only 2nd best
18:49 bg well tomorrow is my favorite national holiday!!!
18:49 jcamins Is there any way to cherry pick *all* commits since a branch diverged onto your working branch?
18:49 bg Opening day of the Baseball season
18:50 jcamins Woohoo!
18:50 jcamins I figured it out all by myself. :D
18:50 jcamins git cherry-pick kc/master..colinsc/analytical_branch
18:54 jcamins Wow.
18:54 jcamins @later tell cait The revised analytics is working much better.
18:54 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:55 oleonard placing multiple holds from the staff client search results page broken?
18:55 jcamins @later tell cait I mean, the analytics from OSS Labs.
18:55 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:55 oleonard I only see the first result on the confirmation page. If I don't select the first result, I see nothing.
18:56 rhcl KCK (Kansas City Kansas) is apparently the first Google ultra high-speed Internet network site. Congrats to wizzyrea.
18:57 rhcl (assuming close counts)
18:57 wizzyrea :) not close enough to lawrence to matter but ty
18:57 rhcl will surely reach out and touch you quickly
18:58 wizzyrea we'll see
19:00 oleonard Could someone test placing multiple holds from the staff client for me?
19:05 rangi wizzyrea: how far is it?
19:06 wizzyrea ohhhhhh 30 miles?
19:06 rangi flat?
19:06 rangi oh silly me
19:06 rangi of course it is :P
19:06 rangi you just need to find some friendly farmers between you and there, and wifi it ;-)
19:07 wizzyrea hehe
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19:09 sekjal oleonard:  seems to be working my install (git pulled from master 10 min ago)
19:09 wizzyrea oleonard: what problem are you having
19:09 wizzyrea with multihold
19:10 oleonard I only see the first result on the hold confirmation page. If I don't select the first result, I see nothing.
19:11 wizzyrea hmm
19:11 sekjal I see multiple
19:12 wizzyrea is it possible that one of the items you selected for hold wasn't holdable?
19:12 wizzyrea or had no items?
19:12 oleonard When that happens I get a js alert saying I can't place the holds
19:13 oleonard (which is stupid and annoying and I keep meaning to see if I can fix it)
19:14 oleonard Trying with a different search, the holds confirmation screen shows 3 of the 15+ titles I selected
19:17 tcohen oleonard: in the js side, is there any example of how do u like to handle incomplete info from the form to alert the user?
19:17 tcohen are we using any fancy sliding alert message or smth?
19:18 oleonard No, we have mostly pretty basic js validation. See itemtypes.tmpl or an example.
19:18 rangi tcohen++
19:21 rangi hmm where is
19:21 jcamins MA.
19:22 rangi hope gene is enjoying his vacation
19:22 rangi i see the boys team won the basketball tournament
19:23 rangi ohh good deal on today
19:23 rangi
19:24 rangi jcamins: i just keep getting autoreplies from someone from there, so thought id go look it up, are they part of masscat do you know?
19:24 oleonard Beer named after an unusual reptile? Where do I sign?
19:24 rangi check out the highlights
19:25 rangi sekjal and NateC have been to that bar
19:25 rangi we went there after the chinese dinner thingy at kohacon
19:26 rangi it has free wifi too
19:26 sekjal I recall!
19:26 rangi beer + pizza + wifi
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19:27 rangi man, i had it down to 14 bugs in the to be pushed list, its up to 28 again
19:27 wizzyrea YOU. ARE. WELCOME.
19:27 rangi and its only been 9 hours
19:27 wizzyrea :)
19:28 rangi no crits or majors
19:28 rangi they can wait til tonight
19:28 rangi today im making more patches to be signed off
19:29 oleonard rangi: Will you be looking into the T:T issues I'm posting to the wiki or someone else?
19:29 * jcamins is trying to get the Analytics branch tested and signed off, and a follow-up patch or two before the April 1 deadline.
19:29 rangi oleonard: anyone can, ill accept patches from anyone, but probably mostly me
19:30 rangi any you want to fix at the same time, would be hugely appreciated :)
19:30 rangi im hoping the hackfest people in marseille will do a lot of testing/fixing on it too
19:30 oleonard Well, I'm perplexed by some of the issues I'm seeing so I want to be sure to keep an eye on the fixes that come in
19:30 rangi right
19:31 rangi whats one that perplexes you currently?
19:31 oleonard In the opac the "loggedinusername" variable is evaluating as false even when the user is logged in.
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19:32 rangi ah yeah that will be a scoping issue
19:32 rangi tt actually cares about scope
19:32 rangi htp not so much
19:36 rangi ill look at that right now oleonard
19:36 rangi see if i can fix it, and shwo you how i did
19:41 rangi also spaces, in variables .. they suck
19:41 rangi thats another dashfix issue
19:41 oleonard Just found this example: <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="Item Due" -->
19:41 rangi yes
19:41 rangi those need to be fixed
19:41 rangi then the converter can convert them
19:41 jcamins Spaces in variables?
19:41 Brooke @quote random
19:41 huginn Brooke: Quote #88: "<owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac" (added by jwagner at 07:42 PM, August 06, 2010)
19:42 * jcamins shudders
19:42 oleonard I'm surprised that worked even with H:T:P
19:42 wizzyrea oleonard is a quote machine
19:42 rangi maybe it didnt ;)
19:43 rangi so it logs you in ok, and has your name right on the page etc eh
19:43 rangi it just doesnt switch the log in to your account bit
19:44 rangi is that what you are seening owen?
19:44 oleonard Yes. And all the places where it hides something when the user isn't logged in
19:44 oleonard (checkboxes, edit buttons, etc.)
19:44 rangi right
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19:46 tcohen oleonard: I wrote a js that checks that at least one checkbox is selected
19:46 tcohen where do i plug it :-D
19:46 tcohen i need to put it to intercept the submit
19:47 oleonard tcohen: What template are you working on? Or is that the question?
19:47 tcohen z3950_search.tmpl
19:49 oleonard tcohen: Add your function to the script block in that template
19:49 tcohen $(".submit").click( )
19:49 oleonard $("form[name='f']").submit(function(){
19:49 oleonard I think
19:49 tcohen on document.ready?
19:49 tcohen ok
19:50 tcohen i'll test
19:50 rangi oleonard: its an interesting one eh, since the title comes through etc
19:53 tcohen thanks oleonard
19:54 sekjal is C4::Print still used?
19:54 tcohen is the text "You have to select at least one Z39.50 target." suitable in this context?
19:54 tcohen or you'd say "choose"?
19:54 rangi yes, but HLT at least sekjal
19:54 oleonard tcohen: "Please choose at least one Z39.50 target"
19:55 rangi oleonard:
19:55 rangi $template->param(OpacPublic => '1') if ($template->param( 'loggedinusername') || C4::Context-$
19:55 rangi that line
19:55 rangi line 470
19:55 rangi is setting loggedinusername empty
19:55 rangi not testing it
19:55 * rangi fixes
19:56 rangi yep
19:56 rangi thats all it was
19:57 rangi will push the fix now
19:58 * Brooke waves
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19:58 jcamins Anyone around who uses UNIMARC?
20:00 rangi if you could pull and test that would awesome
20:00 rangi jesus, those peter and paul guys dont half whine
20:00 ibeardslee does mary?
20:00 rangi :)
20:01 * jcamins was thinking that too.
20:01 rangi oleonard: i think its fixed, and they may fix a bunch more other things in the opac
20:01 * oleonard thinks he may have fixed that variable name with spaces
20:02 oleonard Thinks maybe naming perl variables after natural language phrases in the database isn't the best idea
20:02 rangi wooo hoo
20:02 rangi oleonard: no, no its not :) least this gives us a good chance to tidy up
20:05 oleonard rangi: That's a definite improvement
20:05 oleonard I hoped more stuff would be magically fixed. I'll go over those issues again tomorrow to see what I can find out.
20:06 rangi sweet thanks
20:06 rangi as soon as i finish[…]/biblibre_various
20:06 rangi ill be doing tt stuff mostly full time
20:11 rangi might try to organise a working b
20:11 rangi do they have those in the us?
20:12 oleonard working b?
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20:12 rangi bunch of ppl get together and do some work
20:12 rangi http://rushallgarden.wordpress[…]E2%80%93-12-noon/
20:13 oleonard I've heard quilting bee in that context, and I suppose a spelling bee is the same thing but I don't think that's really a bunch of people getting together to work on spelling.
20:13 rangi :)
20:13 oleonard "Come on people lets work together to get all these words spelled!"
20:13 rangi hehe
20:14 tcohen rangi: what 'seeking cosponsors' means in bugzilla?
20:14 sekjal until tomorrow, #koha!
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20:14 * oleonard too!
20:14 oleonard left #koha
20:14 rangi means someone has some money to pay for some of the work, but needs others to help
20:15 rangi the idea is libraries would get together to organise development projects
20:15 rangi hasn't really happened
20:15 rangi still a good idea though
20:15 tcohen ok, if i work for a university
20:15 tcohen that pays me for taking care
20:15 tcohen of koha, and gives me freedom to pick bugs to fix
20:16 rangi yeah
20:16 tcohen should I choose "sponsored" or that is for the reporter to fill?
20:16 rangi skip any that are marked sponsored, cos that means people are usually working on them already
20:16 tcohen oop
20:16 tcohen s
20:16 rangi if you are working on one
20:16 rangi assign it to you, and make a comment, I am working on this
20:17 rangi you could even change it to be sponsored and say "Being paid to work on this by my university"
20:17 rangi to give them some credit
20:17 rangi we like to give credit in the release notes
20:17 tcohen so I have just stolen a bug from you..
20:17 tcohen :-(
20:17 rangi which was?
20:17 rangi ill have lots assigned by default, chances are im not actually working on them
20:18 tcohen i didn't understand that field the way you are telling me
20:18 tcohen bug 4189
20:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4189 minor, P5, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Searching z39.50 without selecting any servers results in error message
20:18 rangi if i dont, email the person who is assigned to ask if they are
20:18 rangi ah yeah, im not working on that
20:18 tcohen i'm sorry if i made a bad mistake
20:18 rangi that was just assigned to me, when we upgraded bugzilla
20:18 rangi no
20:18 rangi you are fine
20:19 rangi Reported by 2010-02-15 19:35:20
20:19 tcohen ufff
20:19 rangi its an old bug
20:19 rangi so all good fixing it
20:19 tcohen i found it to be still present in master
20:19 rangi yep
20:19 tcohen ok
20:19 rangi seeking cosponsors will mean nothing has been done on it yet
20:19 tcohen then i'm fine, and leaving work with a smile
20:20 rangi yep
20:20 tcohen i was worried someone was being paid for fixing that
20:20 rangi well its taken them a year, so i hope not :)
20:20 tcohen and i was just breaking some sort of contract
20:20 rangi never apologise for fixing a bug ;-)
20:21 tcohen ok
20:21 rangi heres one that is being worked on for a client
20:21 tcohen thanks, and till tomorrow
20:22 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5609
20:22 huginn Bug 5609: enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Holds Rewrite
20:22 rangi see it has sponsored set
20:22 rangi id leave those alone, unless they are very old, and then ask if someone is working on them
20:22 rangi anything else is fair game :)
20:23 tcohen thanks again
20:23 rangi no problem
20:23 tcohen i see the point now
20:23 rangi thanks for the fix
20:23 tcohen i'm still learning js, so i hope oleonard likes the jquerysh stuff
20:23 tcohen :-D
20:23 tcohen byeeee
20:23 rangi cya
20:26 wizzyrea jcamins++
20:26 * magnuse is having a hard time installing koha manually on debian 6 (and yes i know about the packages, but need a manual one... ;-)
20:27 rangi how about installing koha-common to get the dependencies
20:27 rangi then do a git clone
20:27 rangi and run perl Makefile.PL from there
20:27 * rangi doesnt know why you would do it any other way :)
20:28 magnuse yeah, thought about that, not sure why i didn't do it...
20:28 rangi i blame not enough coffee
20:28 rangi :)
20:29 magnuse as in none at all, yeah... ;-) )
20:30 magnuse i thought install_misc/ would take care of a lot of dependencies, but it had some problems
20:30 rangi it may be out of date
20:30 magnuse yeah, and adding the indexdata repositories did not do any good
20:30 rangi take a look at debian/control
20:31 magnuse looks like there is some good stuff in ther
20:32 magnuse maybe we'll need a INSTALL.debian6, if we're still gonna tell people how to install manually...
20:33 rangi yeah
20:34 magnuse or just to explain the run koha-common, then perl Makefile.PL bit
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20:39 wizzyrea for anybody who's got patrons with zillions of reading history
20:39 wizzyrea entries
20:39 wizzyrea
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20:39 wizzyrea this should keep it from timing out firefox
20:40 wizzyrea two step 5's. oh well
20:41 rangi cool
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20:42 magnuse wizzyrea: put it on the wiki?
20:42 wizzyrea yepper
20:42 magnuse wizzyrea++
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20:54 conan hello all
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21:01 magnuse hiya conan
21:05 conan I was requested to add a batch of new rows to authorised_values
21:05 conan they gave me an .XLS file
21:05 conan I did it, no problem
21:06 conan but I was wondering about the field limitation for category on authorised_values table
21:06 conan it's a varchar(10)
21:06 conan and I've received stuff to go in there which exceeds this char limit
21:07 conan my question is: doesn't the category come from the MARC standard?
21:07 conan or are they made up at librarian's whim?
21:09 magnuse conan: i would guess that would depend on local policies...
21:09 wizzyrea I vote whim
21:09 wizzyrea it's their whim whether to follow the standard or to deviate
21:09 wizzyrea it's one of the things that makes koha pretty awesome
21:10 wizzyrea (flexible)
21:13 conan I guess I'll have to recode those text then...
21:13 wizzyrea what we do
21:13 wizzyrea is 10char the names
21:13 wizzyrea and make nice descriptions
21:13 wizzyrea (don't neglect your descriptions)
21:13 wizzyrea (they are helpful and friendly)
21:13 magnuse helpful_descriptions++
21:14 wizzyrea lots of places show the description (if existent) instead of the code
21:14 wizzyrea so it matters less if they're ugly
21:14 magnuse heh, there's cricket on the norwegian sports news - not something you see every day...
21:15 conan wizzyrea: by descriptions I guess you mean lib and lib_opac on that table, or are you talking about something else?
21:15 * magnuse thinks conan is guessing right
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21:16 wizzyrea yes, exactly
21:16 wizzyrea you can have 2 descriptions, one that your staff sees, and one that your patrons see
21:16 conan cool
21:16 conan thanks
21:16 wizzyrea sure :)
21:17 wizzyrea I was just looking at our ccodes
21:17 conan talking yesterday to the librarian who is introducing me to this world
21:17 wizzyrea they are not very pretty :)
21:17 * wizzyrea is ashamed
21:17 conan she told me that they use category as a memory aid
21:17 wizzyrea aha
21:18 conan but it sound strange to me, since category is used as a connector
21:19 rangi i have a tweet for this situation
21:19 wizzyrea hehehehe
21:19 wizzyrea we should quote add that
21:19 rangi[…]51008167383019520
21:20 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder
21:20 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #123 added.
21:20 wizzyrea now we can
21:20 wizzyrea @quote get 123
21:20 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:20 wizzyrea easy to remember even
21:20 wizzyrea and nicely congruent with the other one I remember:
21:21 wizzyrea @quote get 23
21:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
21:21 magnuse yeah, i'll be using that ;-)
21:21 wizzyrea pretty soon we'll be like that joke
21:22 * jcamins thinks the fact that we all understood that reference means it's too late.
21:22 magnuse where someone mentions a number and everyone laughs?
21:22 wizzyrea YES
21:22 magnuse hehe
21:22 wizzyrea 123!
21:22 * wizzyrea giggles
21:22 magnuse hehe
21:22 magnuse it's the tribe language
21:22 magnuse @quote get 102
21:22 huginn magnuse: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
21:23 wizzyrea @quote random
21:23 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
21:23 wizzyrea ...
21:23 magnuse good to know
21:23 wizzyrea @quote random
21:23 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
21:23 rangi thats a lie
21:23 wizzyrea @quote random
21:23 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009)
21:23 wizzyrea LOL
21:23 wizzyrea i remember the bacon day
21:23 wizzyrea that was funny
21:24 wizzyrea @quote random
21:24 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010)
21:24 wizzyrea i'm still giggling over flaming bacon.
21:25 magnuse ah, taking over the world with flamng bacon, perhaps?
21:27 wizzyrea hehe
21:27 rangi @quote random
21:27 huginn rangi: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010)
21:27 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "numbers jokes" (17 lines) at
21:28 wizzyrea not quite the interpretation I was looking for
21:28 wizzyrea but you get the idea
21:29 magnuse hehe, hadn't heard that version before
21:30 wizzyrea ah here's the one I was thinking of
21:31 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "One more number joke" (15 lines) at
21:32 wizzyrea why yes, I did in fact just spend 5 minutes looking for the right interpretation of that joke.
21:32 magnuse heh
21:32 magnuse good on you
21:32 magnuse it's called a micro-break
21:32 magnuse ;-)
21:33 wizzyrea dunno if it's good, but it's... something.
21:33 magnuse it sure is
21:33 rangi any biblibrans here?
21:34 rangi doesnt look like it
21:34 magnuse sort of
21:34 magnuse used to be ;-)
21:34 rangi :)
21:34 magnuse remember: ask, don't ask to ask ;-)
21:35 rangi well none of these commits have your names against them
21:35 rangi sudoc stuff and submodules
21:35 * rangi emails
21:36 * magnuse has heard of sudoku
21:36 rangi heh
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21:42 jcamins Good night, #koha
21:42 wizzyrea gnite jcamins
21:42 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
21:46 jcamins_away Actually, before I really leave, I have a question for the wisdom of #koha: what meal is so tasty that my wife will be persuaded to eat, despite the fact that I've only managed to get her to eat about half a meal a day for the past week?
21:46 wizzyrea druthb++ #seriously, thanks for fixing that dual prompt thing.
21:46 wizzyrea hmm what does she usually like?
21:47 magnuse hm, something simple, reminiscent of childhood - pancakes?
21:47 jcamins_away magnuse: ooh.
21:47 jcamins_away I like the way you're thinking.
21:47 wizzyrea homemade mac and cheese
21:48 space_librarian pancakes are always good
21:48 space_librarian comfort food
21:48 wizzyrea mashed potatoes
21:48 jcamins_away Oddly enough, she doesn't like homemade mac and cheese.
21:48 wizzyrea mac and cheese out of a box then!
21:48 wizzyrea :)
21:48 wizzyrea waffles are good
21:48 wizzyrea and slightly fancy
21:48 * magnuse has never tried mac and cheese
21:49 * jcamins_away just can't bring himself to eat mac and cheese out of a box.
21:49 * wizzyrea can't either
21:49 * space_librarian is shocked at magnuse's revelation
21:49 * wizzyrea makes the shocked face too
21:50 magnuse maybe when it's time for kohacon i the us again?
21:50 magnuse s/i/in/
21:50 * wizzyrea makes a note
21:50 wizzyrea "feed magnuse mac and cheese"
21:50 rangi heh
21:50 space_librarian yes. This needs to happen.
21:50 * rangi doesnt like it
21:50 wizzyrea rangi is not invited.
21:50 wizzyrea ;)
21:50 * space_librarian makes another shocked face.
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21:51 wizzyrea I'll make him beer-something
21:51 rangi we have it lots at our house tho, cos laurel and the kids do
21:51 wizzyrea must be an american thing
21:51 wizzyrea I don't like it out of the box
21:51 wizzyrea but I do like it when it's homemade
21:51 space_librarian It's my favourite, but not out of the box.
21:51 * magnuse likes mac and likes cheese, so it sounds promising
21:51 wizzyrea lil bit of grilled chicken... nice creamy white sauce with cheese...
21:52 space_librarian a few slices of grilled tomato on the top...
21:52 wizzyrea mmmmm
21:52 * magnuse is getting hungry now, and berakfast is 8 hours away...
21:52 * space_librarian thinks she'll be making mac n cheese for dinner tonight...
21:53 * wizzyrea wonders if she has the stuff for that at home...
21:53 wizzyrea but back to jcamins' problem
21:53 wizzyrea of the hungry wife
21:53 space_librarian something light, but tasty.
21:54 space_librarian chicken noodle soup?
21:54 wizzyrea hummus and pita, with olives
21:54 space_librarian wizzyrea: +1
21:54 wizzyrea maybe salad
21:54 wizzyrea space_librarian: we should be friends :)
21:54 space_librarian I like your style. :)
21:55 * magnuse is having no luck installing koha tonight - now koha-common is giving me errors too...
21:56 jcamins_away Hm.
21:56 * jcamins_away just got back from inspecting the contents of his... living room, actually.
21:56 jcamins_away But that's where all the food is.
21:56 jcamins_away Salad is a definite possibility.
21:59 jcamins_away Whatever else I serve will probably require a trip out.
22:02 rangi oh conan is in argentina?
22:03 rangi[…]fb7eb5cf587f888bc
22:03 rangi opinions?
22:03 rangi (from anyone)
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22:04 magnuse so the question is do we want to display e.g. to cataloguers?
22:05 rangi yeah
22:05 rangi or just the name
22:05 magnuse i'd say the name should be enough
22:05 rangi right ill make a bug and attach the patch :)
22:05 mtj yeah, me too
22:06 mtj or just double-paste the host value into name, if yr lazy too
22:06 mtj but yeah, one descriptor should be enuff
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22:09 rangi that should be an easy sign off for someone
22:13 magnuse so, if i want to access a locally installed koha as http://localhost/ on my ubuntu machine - what should the ServerName in the apache config file be? localhost?
22:13 rangi either should work
22:13 magnuse all i get is You don't have permission to access / on this server. 403 Forbidden
22:14 rangi is there a default or another config getting in the way?
22:14 magnuse nope, only koha is enabled
22:15 rangi hmmm
22:15 rangi permissions?
22:15 magnuse hm, could be, perhaps
22:17 magnuse hm, all the files are owned by me, shouldn't that be ok?
22:17 rangi are they readable by the world?
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22:18 rangi or at least whatever user apache runs as
22:19 magnuse tried chown'ing to www-data, still no luck
22:19 magnuse hiya Irma!
22:19 rangi im out of obvious ideas then
22:20 magnuse thanks for trying, rangi!
22:20 magnuse guess  better sleep on it...
22:21 magnuse s/  / i /
22:21 rangi :)
22:28 conan rangi: yes, I'm from Argentina, sorry for the delay
22:29 rangi no problem
22:29 * rangi was just curious
22:29 conan rangi: I'll be doing a proper presentation on the list these days
22:29 rangi oh excellent
22:29 conan I just didn't wanted to present myself until I knew what I'm about to do here
22:29 conan I think I got an idea now, but still trying to get the hang of it
22:30 conan I got to rush home now, see you all tomorrow, bye all
22:30 rangi cya
22:30 conan left #koha
22:38 magnuse oh well, it's gone half past midnight here... good night #koha!
22:38 magnuse left #koha
22:42 rangi ibeardslee: oh now youve done it
22:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 90 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:46 rhcl is now known as rhcl_away
22:47 ibeardslee rangi: done what?
22:47 rangi made me realise i only have 3 gig of ram
22:47 ibeardslee ahh
22:48 ibeardslee just update your WR and I'll get you up to 4, grovel to your director if you want more
22:48 rangi 4 would be fine
22:48 * rangi will do that
22:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Typo in kohastructured.sql thanks to Marcel de Rooy for the catch <[…]eebcf2f9a7f461123>
22:58 eythian Oh, I need to do that too. I only have 4, and it's not quite enough.
22:59 bg heh come work with us - we'll get you what you need :)
22:59 eythian it's just a matter of me getting around to asking the right people here :)
23:02 rangi meeting
23:02 rangi bbiab
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23:12 cait hi all
23:12 space_librarian hey cait
23:12 cait hi space_librarian
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23:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #90: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/90/
23:25 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Typo in kohastructured.sql thanks to Marcel de Rooy for the catch
23:32 cait time to sleep
23:32 cait good night all
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