IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-03

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00:02 wasabi hey ronald, mason here ;)
00:02 wasabi you got home OK then...
00:03 ronald yes
00:04 brendan @wunder 93117
00:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 26.9�C (5:14 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
00:04 brendan @wunder wellington, nz
00:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
00:13 chris_n @wunder 28334
00:13 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.8�C (8:25 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising).
00:13 * chris_n burned the first fire of the season tonight
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00:22 brendan ah I love fires
00:22 brendan hiya chris_n
00:23 chris_n hey brandan
00:23 brendan ah I can tell you live in the south ;)
00:24 chris_n heh :-)
00:24 chris_n nothing like a fire on a very cold night with some hot chocolate and spiced cider, etc
00:26 chris_n of course what we're missing here is the very cold night part
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00:36 brendan anybody know off the top of their heads - what is being passed for the syndectics enhanced content (is it the first ISBN in the record - or is it all of them)?
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00:38 chris_n heya cait
00:38 cait hi chris_n
00:38 chris_n seen your bags yet?
00:39 cait nope
00:39 brendan oh bummer
00:39 cait called them, they have no idea where it is
00:40 brendan that's not good at all
00:40 cait oh
00:40 chris_n ouch, sorry :-(
00:41 cait checking the online tracking system
00:41 cait it says now: baggage located
00:41 * chris_n holds his breath
00:41 cait perhaps they do know now where it is
00:41 * cait hopes for london or zürich, not sydney or wellington
00:41 * chris_n thinks cheap rfid tags on baggage would help
00:41 cait yeah
00:42 cait my flight from london to zürich was delayed - they told us, we were waiting for the baggage to arrive and be loaded...
00:42 cait hmpf.
00:44 cait ok, I hope I will get it tomorrow, I am away for a presentation on thursday, will make it harder to get it delivered
00:46 chris cait!!!
00:47 * cait waves
00:47 cait hi chris :)
00:47 chris heya, glad you made it home, sorry to hear about the bag
00:47 cait nah, could be worse
00:47 cait and at least it seems they have found it
00:47 chris yay
00:47 cait I even have a flight number now - trying to find out which flight it is
00:47 cait missing nz
00:48 chris i have eaten some of your chocolate, saving the rest for when i have a stressful day
00:49 cait share with the kids! :)
00:50 chris they had some :)
00:50 cait but hope you liked it
00:50 chris yes, very yummy
00:50 cait that's good
00:51 cait and it must have been more chocolate than I thought, my suitcase was lighter on my way back home :)
00:51 cait were the test cases ok? saw that you pushed them
00:52 robin hi cait!
00:52 cait hi robin :)
00:54 chris cait: yep, they ran fine
00:54 chris there was one that gmcharlt fixed, but the rest were fine
00:55 cait ok :)
00:55 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]Build/testReport/
00:55 chris now 1711 tests being run
00:55 cait I think the unit tests 101 are all done now, will try to do some for overdues perhaps next
00:56 chris yay!
00:56 cait wanted to look at the code there to make some changes fo rus
01:03 cait nicole and brian are still in nz?
01:05 chris yup
01:05 chris at wineries at the moment
01:05 cait aw
01:06 * cait wants to be there too
01:06 chris hehe
01:08 cait was strange waking up in my own bad, took some time to realize where I am :)
01:09 robin and now the sun moves across the sky in the wrong direction for you, which must be confusing.
01:10 cait saw not much sun here today
01:11 cait but will check tomorrow ;)
01:11 cait and I should not be awake now
01:13 cait bad = bed...
01:13 chris yes, its pretty early in the morning for you
01:13 robin surely it would be easier to just stick with NZ time from now on? :)
01:15 cait hehe
01:15 cait yes, but employer would not be happy, I am going back to work today
01:17 chris_n lol
01:17 * chris_n tries to imagine the whole world on a single TZ
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01:26 chris_n opps... forgot to add the signed off flag :-(
01:27 * cait1 gives chris_n a cookie
01:28 chris_n a chocolate-mint cookie?
01:28 cait1 ?
01:28 chris ahh its ok, i read the patches anyway
01:29 chris i see its now been signed off twice :)
01:29 chris_n just my favorite flavor cookie
01:29 cait1 I offer you a free cookie and you hav especial wishes?
01:29 chris thats good enough for me, ill push it
01:29 chris_n hehe
01:29 cait1 ;)
01:29 * cait1 gets hungry now
01:31 chris_n is it me or is the list server slow tonight?
01:32 * chris_n only received 2/2 not 1/2 yet
01:33 chris for 4991
01:33 chris im just gonna merge the branch anyway, not reaplly the patches
01:38 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4991' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]abe5b8c22c984b3f8> / bug 4991: follow-up tweaks <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ca218f46f2662310e> / Fix for Bug 4991, Overhaul of Calendar interface <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1117f6920ceccecc8
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01:48 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/merge_help' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]197034dd210504543>
01:50 brendan hmmm...  anyone have a record in their opacs that has a the series information is in the 490 and not the 440 and that is displaying correctly
01:50 brendan with XSLT on
01:51 brendan it's in the code that it should be displaying - but it's not
01:51 brendan example - http://catalog.marlboro.edu/cg[…]iblionumber=11678
01:55 brendan ok I think I see the issue - but I'm not sure will need to look at some more examples
01:55 brendan in the XSLT stylesheet - I'm seeing indacator info --> [@ind1=0]
01:56 brendan not sure if we need that - it's not there for the [440] tag
01:56 brendan thoughts?
01:57 cait1 hm yes
01:58 cait1 iirc the indicator indicates if it's traced or not
01:58 cait1 are you looking at current head?
01:59 brendan I don't think I'm looking at head
01:59 brendan let me see
01:59 brendan what head has
01:59 cait1 I think head should have a bugfix by owen
01:59 cait1 killing the indicator distinction
01:59 cait1 and I have a patch for readding it with (I hope) correct behaviour:
01:59 cait1 http://github.com/kfischer/Koh[…]71cf7dc97bdbe7819
02:00 brendan yup I see that now
02:03 jcamins_a Ooh, are we talking about series tracings?
02:04 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
02:04 jcamins There was a patch by owen.
02:05 jcamins (applied to head... I was looking at it yesterday)
02:05 jcamins But cait's patch is needed.
02:07 chris signoff and send it up, and if it looks ok ill push it :)
02:08 jcamins First I need to write out what I think it should be doing, then find out if it does that.
02:09 jcamins And probably bribe cait to ask her coworker who works on RDA to confirm that the series handling is the same.
02:10 * chris_n sings the praises of running production over git
02:11 jcamins chris_n: what?
02:11 jcamins You mean, using dev installs?
02:12 chris_n exactly
02:12 chris_n very smooth upgrading
02:12 jcamins Ah.
02:13 jcamins Yeah, also the ability to add bugfixes if there's a serious problem.
02:13 chris_n git++ * 1000
02:13 chris_n and role back, etc, etc, etc
02:15 chris http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]ushed_3_November/
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02:18 cait1 jcamins: you don't need to bribe me, but not sure she will know about marc21
02:19 jcamins Isn't RDA going to be encoded in MARC, at least to start with?
02:19 brendan jcamins that's what I've been hearing
02:19 * brendan is no authority on that though
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02:26 cait1 jcamins: ok, then she will probably know
02:26 cait1 jcmains: I have really not much idea about rda yet
02:26 * jcamins mostly just knows that it's going to be a disaster.
02:32 chris_n g'night #koha
02:32 chris night chris_n
02:33 jcamins Good night, chris_n
02:34 jcamins cait1: speaking of night, why are you awake?
02:34 cait1 jetlag
02:34 jcamins Isn't it... 5am?
02:34 jcamins Ah.
02:34 jcamins Right.
02:34 cait1 i tried to stay up as long as possible, but fell asleep at 5.30 and now I am awake after 7 hours of sleep
02:34 brendan man today disappeared and I've still got to ride my bike home - I'm going to freeze my *** off
02:34 brendan @wunder 93117
02:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (7:45 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
02:35 brendan that's not right munin
02:35 cait1 @wunder Konstanz
02:35 munin cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.4�C (3:49 AM CET on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
02:35 jcamins @wunder 11105
02:35 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 7.6�C (10:45 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa (Steady).
02:35 cait1 and brendan is complaining... ;)
02:35 jcamins That's exactly what I was thinking.
02:35 jcamins And I walked seventy blocks today.
02:36 brendan yeah I'm telling you weatherunderground is not reporting the correct temp
02:36 jcamins Actually, you're right.
02:36 brendan i'd guess it's about 12 outside (that's cold for shorts and a t-shirt)
02:36 jcamins That's the same temperature it was this afternoon.
02:37 robin brendan: I just checked, and I have a 490$a and $v field showing up fine in the opac with and without XSLT. I'm running from just before the 3.2 release.
02:37 robin I did also change the koha to marc mapping setting to match
02:37 brendan yeah I saw in head that's been somewhat changed from what I was looking at
02:38 brendan need to rebase ;)
02:39 jcamins brendan: sounds like it.
02:40 jcamins There have been some great patches pushed in the past few weeks.
02:40 cait1 reading paul's acq rfc's
02:40 cait1 that's so cool - almost all things my librarians complained about during training are already sponsored
02:41 jcamins cait1: that's very nice.
02:41 cait1 is now known as cait
02:41 cait koha++
02:42 cait yes, it really is. let's hope all the new features will find their way into 3.4 :)
02:42 jcamins koha++
02:42 jcamins @karma koha
02:42 munin jcamins: Karma for "koha" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
02:42 jcamins !?!
02:42 jcamins Eleven?
02:42 jcamins koha++
02:42 cait koha++
02:42 cait koha++++++
02:42 cait @karma koha
02:42 munin cait: Karma for "koha" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
02:42 cait koha++
02:42 cait koha++
02:42 cait koha++
02:43 jcamins koha+=1000000000
02:43 cait this will get hard g
02:43 jcamins (yeah, I know it doesn't work)
02:43 cait or we have to ask gmcharlt to adjust it
02:43 jcamins Oh, that would make sense.
02:43 jcamins @karma
02:43 munin jcamins: Highest karma: "chris" (187), "gmcharlt" (176), and "owen" (170).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-71), "failed" (-46), and "-" (-30).  You (jcamins) are ranked 19 out of 1046.
02:44 cait :)
02:44 jcamins I like the fact that - has negative karma. I guess lots of people have typed three dashes in a row.
02:44 cait @karma jcamins
02:44 munin cait: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
02:44 cait :)
02:44 jcamins Wow, that's a lot of karma.
02:44 jcamins @karma cait
02:44 munin jcamins: Karma for "cait" has been increased 32 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 32.
02:44 jcamins @karma kf
02:44 munin jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 31 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 31.
02:45 jcamins That's a lot more. ;)
02:45 cait being here for a longer time
02:45 jcamins Yup.
02:45 cait you are catching up very fast :)
02:45 cait ITEM LOCATED, PENDING  CONFIRMATION < suitcase found
02:46 jcamins Woohoo!
02:46 jcamins clothing++
02:46 jcamins Oh, phooey. I forgot to pick up my suit from the dry cleaner.
02:46 cait and there is a ba flight number that indicated it could already be in zürich!
02:46 cait lol
02:47 brendan @karma brendan
02:47 munin brendan: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 19 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 19.
02:47 jcamins @karma bywater
02:47 munin jcamins: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
02:47 jcamins @karma bywatersolutions
02:47 munin jcamins: bywatersolutions has neutral karma.
02:47 brendan @karma sekjal
02:47 munin brendan: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 38 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 37.
02:47 brendan @karma nengard
02:47 munin brendan: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 122 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 122.
02:48 brendan @karma Nate
02:48 munin brendan: Karma for "Nate" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
02:48 cait ok, I will try to get some more slee
02:48 cait p
02:48 jcamins Good idea.
02:48 brendan ah that's how it should be - sekjal and nengard should get the credit ;)
02:48 jcamins Do you have work today?
02:48 cait talk to you tomorrow :)
02:48 cait yep
02:48 jcamins Ick.
02:48 jcamins Good night.
02:48 cait 3 hours until i have to get up
02:49 cait thx :)
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02:50 brendan jcamins this is fun to look at --> http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
02:52 jcamins I'm 22nd most talkative.
02:52 jcamins Go figure.
02:53 * jcamins sniggers
02:53 * brendan is still surprised that kados is better chris
02:53 jcamins I like the "big numbers" section.
02:53 brendan s/better/beating
02:53 brendan that better is a bad slip
02:53 brendan brendan--
02:53 munin brendan: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
02:55 jcamins Why doesn't the karma match up with what munin says?
02:56 brendan I think it how many people have giving you karma
02:56 brendan not the total
02:57 brendan gosh I'm typing like yoda tonight
02:58 jcamins Ah.
03:05 chris kados used to talk a lot
03:05 chris and the logs only go back to 2003ish
03:05 * richard doesn't talk enought
03:05 chris lemme update them
03:05 chris they are 3 weeks old
03:10 brendan ah cool - I think I should not be as high anymore - I don't think I've been to chatty lately (as I chatter away) :)
03:10 chris there we go
03:11 brendan munin is right on my tail
03:11 munin brendan: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
03:12 jcamins brendan: looks like munin has said more than you.
03:12 brendan well let me tell you my life story ;)
03:13 brendan we'll all have to celebrate when chris passes kados for talking too much (errr..  maybe not enough)
03:16 brendan alright time for me to head home and finish the passage by justin cronin ;)
03:16 brendan I should have that as a link to a koha catalog - but I'm lazy right now ;)
03:16 jcamins munin: find Cronin's The Passage in a Koha catalog and provide a link.
03:16 munin jcamins: Error: "find" is not a valid command.
03:17 brendan there you go --> http://67.23.28.20/cgi-bin/koh[…]blionumber=112753
03:17 brendan got it in a testing server
03:18 jcamins Wow.
03:18 jcamins That's really nice.
03:19 jcamins Oh, ltfl?
03:19 jcamins Is that where "you might also enjoy" is coming from?
03:19 brendan yup
03:19 brendan ltfl++
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03:26 richard bob: i'm marking off which of those bugs are unique to the katipo site - for lianza
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03:38 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5308' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]32f2adbfeee56c445>
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04:45 brendan_l so when do the biblibre people fly back home?
04:46 robin they decided to stay here for good.
04:48 brendan_l ha - I think the reset of bywater decided too
04:49 brendan_l man rest not reset (ok bedtime for me)
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05:09 kmkale hi all
05:09 kmkale Wish you all a very very happy Diwali!!
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06:02 cait good morning #koha
06:29 chris heya cait, get your bag?
06:30 cait not yet
06:30 cait but the tracking system's message is more positive now
06:31 cait so I hope they will call soon
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06:35 fedora hello
06:37 fedora hello how are you can you tell me how i can confirm my zebra server running properly
06:40 hdl fedora: use yaz-client
06:41 hdl or do ps auxf|grep zebra
06:42 cait hi hdl
06:42 * cait waves
06:44 fedora can you tell me
06:44 fedora plz
06:44 fedora basically i installed  koha 3.0.6 completely
06:44 fedora with zebra server but confuse how i will know properly zebra running
06:44 fedora backside
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06:51 chris hdl told you already
06:51 chris fedora: ps auxf|grep zebra
06:53 hdl hi cait.
06:53 hdl hope you had a good flight back.
06:54 hdl chris.... Thanks you again.
06:54 fedora bash: !greo: event not found (when i run this command such error occur)
06:54 hdl fedora: use your mouse. and copy paste.
06:55 chris hdl: thanks for ??
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06:56 paul_p chris, thanks for your hospitality & this conference !
06:57 chris ahh :) it was my pleasure
06:59 chris paul_p: what time is your flight?
07:00 paul_p chris, 8AM
07:00 paul_p shuttle ordered at 6:30
07:00 paul_p (and gates closes at 8AM. take of at 8:40)
07:01 chris cool
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07:12 fedora bye every body thanks for your help
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07:21 cait hdl: flight was good, but suitcase missing. hope they will find and bring it to me today
07:21 cait hdl & paul_p: have a good flight!
07:21 paul_p cait, thx. Where are you now ?
07:21 cait I am at home, heading to work
07:22 cait have to go - bye :)
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07:26 Sussan Hey anyone upgraded from koha 3.0.0 to 3.2
07:34 Sussan Anyone upgraded i am going to implement it so anyone moved forward before me to take this risk
07:34 Sussan lol
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08:09 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug2567' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]45b4fee447dc7e28c>
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08:49 maragar Hello
08:51 maragar I am trying to find finnish laguage files for koha, but just can't find a way to dl them.
08:52 maragar pootle site lists the project, but I can't find any way to dl it
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09:05 kf good morning #koha
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09:10 chris hi again kf
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09:29 irmaB Bonsoir :-)
09:30 irmaB I need help editing the koha wiki page "development"
09:31 irmaB anyone about?
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09:33 Sussan Goodmorning can anyone tell me how i can embed virtual keyboard in koha 3.0.6
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09:35 irmaB Hi Sussan
09:35 Sussan Hir
09:35 Sussan Hi Irma
09:35 irmaB sorry I don't know the answer to your question ... maybe it's in the Koha manual?
09:36 Sussan Basically i have implemented virtual keyboard in koha 2.9 but facing problem in koha 3.0.6
09:36 Sussan Its ok no problem
09:39 irmaB perhaps try again later when more people are about or perhaps email the list ..
09:39 Sussan can you tell me email id
09:44 irmaB here it is : koha@lists.katipo.co.nz.
09:45 irmaB good luck.
09:45 chris http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/
09:45 chris subscribe first, or your message wont go through
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10:04 kf hi Irma :)
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10:08 irmaB hi Katrin how was the trip home?
10:09 irmaB sooo nice to meet you in person in W'ton
10:10 irmaB I am in Melbourne - did a Koha demo today
10:11 irmaB and had to stop myself from not speaking too much about how cool the conf. was and going to Levin
10:11 irmaB etc.
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10:13 irmaB Bist Du schon wieder an der Arbeit?
10:15 Sussan irmaB here anyone implemented virtual keyboard before
10:15 Sussan especially in koha 3
10:16 irmaB not sure in Koha 3 but libraries in Pakistan have I think
10:17 irmaB Chris Cormack will know but it's 11.30PM in New Zealand now so perhaps try again in 7 or 8 hours
10:17 irmaB Sussan where in the world are you?
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10:19 markk good morning all
10:19 kf irmaB: ja, entschuldige, bin wieder in der Arbeit und daher ein bisschen abgelenkt
10:19 kf irmaB: die Reise war gut - und heute kriege ich auch noch meinen koffer :)
10:20 kf Sussan: I have, but I want to rewrite it. You can look at it in the catalog of one of our libraries: hfjs.bsz-bw.de
10:22 irmaB Hoffetlich ist alles in deinem Koffer...Schade das Du dieses Problem hast :-(
10:24 markk yesterday i was having problems with barcodes auto-increment not working in kohalivecd r5 http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/. jcamins and owen tried to help me but didn't find any solution. Just for the information, anyone who needs a fast access to Koha 3.2 with barcodes working, try KohaLiveCD r6 based on Ubuntu 10.10 and Koha 3.2.
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10:33 Sussan i am in sweeden irma
10:33 Sussan kf can you guide me
10:34 kf have you looked at the catalog if this solution is interesting for you?
10:35 kf irmaB: glad they found the suitcase, will be delivered today - very relieved now :)
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11:27 kmkale bye all
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11:34 Sussan bye
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12:41 briceSanc hello !
12:43 owen Hi briceSanc
12:44 briceSanc Do you know if we can translate something in an input type="text" like a placeholder="words in english" ?
12:45 briceSanc do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)2 ?
12:45 briceSanc oops
12:45 briceSanc do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)" ?
12:46 owen briceSanc: I don't believe so, based on the fact that, for instance, the French template translation shows submit button labels in French.
12:47 owen That means that the "value" attribute of the input tag is being picked up by the translation script
12:47 gmcharlt right
12:47 kf briceSanc: which version of koha are u using?
12:47 gmcharlt also, note that the _("foo bar") construction should only be used for JavaScript embedded in the templates
12:47 kf there was a problem with translation of submit buttons some time ago
12:48 kf but it's solved in 3.2, don't know about the 3.0.x releases
12:49 briceSanc owen, ok. gmcharlt, ok too. kf, I use the latest Koha on Git.
12:51 briceSanc In fact, i want to translate in french this portion of code : <input placeholder="Enter search keywords" type="text" name="q" />
12:52 owen What is "placeholder" ?
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12:52 briceSanc Do you know how I can tell the script translation "Enter search keywords" is to translate?
12:53 gmcharlt owen: briceSanc: looks like an HTML5 construct
12:53 briceSanc placeholder is the new html5
12:53 gmcharlt for hint text
12:53 briceSanc http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html
12:54 gmcharlt and for right now, just put the label outside of the <input> element
12:55 gmcharlt use of HTML5 in the templates is slightly premature
12:59 briceSanc i dont think, because if the browser doesn't support the html5 tag placeholder, a JS function emulate the tag behavior.
13:00 gmcharlt what JS function?  coming from where?
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13:01 gmcharlt also, currently the convention is to have all Koha HTML be valid XHTML
13:01 gmcharlt which has mostly been followed with the exception of allowing the autocomplete attribute
13:02 gmcharlt I agree that we should be planning on moving to HTML5, but it is still a bit of moving target
13:02 briceSanc jquery plugin : jquery.placeholder.js
13:02 schuster Who manages the koha-devel email list?  I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited.  It talks about koha.org all over the place.  No wonder people are confused!
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13:03 gmcharlt @later tell hdl <schuster> Who manages the koha-devel email list?  I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited.  It talks about koha.org all over the place.  No wonder people are confused!
13:03 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
13:04 gmcharlt schuster: could you forward me a copy of the message you got when you subcribed?
13:04 schuster Yes I also just found hdl so I will forward it to both of you.
13:06 schuster snap!  done.  Thanks gmcharlt.
13:07 schuster I liked seeing that I was 27th in the chatty list...  too bad I'm not 27 in the commit list :(  not my strong point.
13:07 briceSanc gmcharlt, my real question is: Is it possible to wrap terms in markers in order to force the translation ?
13:08 gmcharlt briceSanc: not like that.  a bit of code in the translation system would have to be changed to recognize that the placeholder element needs to be picked up
13:08 gmcharlt it's not a big deal
13:08 briceSanc ok :)
13:08 gmcharlt but I'm not really sure what placeholder gets us all by itself
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13:09 gmcharlt when we move to HTML5 or XHTML5, we'll get it
13:09 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:15 owen I wonder what will become of my work on Bug 3652 with the transition to template toolkit
13:15 munin Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities
13:21 jcamins Won't T::T still require escaping?
13:25 kf hi jcamins :)
13:26 jcamins kf: long time no talk!
13:26 jcamins Are you at all awake?
13:26 kf hm
13:27 kf I feel a bit odd, but I am awake
13:27 kf still sorting through my mail
13:27 kf preparing for presentations tomorrow and friday
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13:55 Sussan hello
13:56 Sussan any body at home
13:59 owen Hi Sussan
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14:02 Sussan hi owen
14:02 owen Sussan: If you have a question you can ask it here
14:03 Sussan can i enable virtual keyboard in search option
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14:03 Sussan so any code available any place
14:04 Sussan 2nd thing can i upgrade koha 3.0.6 to 3.2
14:04 Sussan basically people generally face lot of problem when they upgrade
14:08 kf Sussan: koha has no feature for virtual keyboard yet, you have to do something yourself - that's why I offered to send you how I did it for our library
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14:11 Sussan thanks Kf
14:12 Sussan kf but our admin approximately 15 minutes ago reffering library that using virtual keyboard i said that it wll be previous version because i know how to configure virtual key board in previous versions
14:13 Sussan before koha version 3
14:14 kf I was not aware that koha before 3.0 had virtual keyboards
14:14 kf which library was he referring to?
14:15 Sussan no kf they just modified by himself
14:15 Sussan reffereing any indian library which did change by theirself
14:17 Sussan thats why i also became confuse and other thing do you think its better to upgrade version while we are in production environment just suggest me
14:18 kf do you have a test installation?
14:18 kf we usually make a test upgrade first and later the production systems
14:19 kf but I am not sure how other libraries work here
14:19 kf our first major upgrade will be from 3.01.61 to 3.2
14:19 Sussan yes
14:20 Sussan hope for the best
14:21 Sussan basically some one in morning said me that one guy which comeonline on evening recently upgraded 3.2
14:21 Sussan Kf so are you using debian or ubuntu
14:21 Sussan os
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14:31 Sussan bye kf and take care
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15:28 schuster gmcharlt - question about bug 4240
15:28 munin Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
15:29 schuster On the Harley page it talks about needing to add the Aspell dictionary and possibly a syspref for the number of responses.  So I am to assume this hasn't been pulled into 3.2 yet.
15:29 schuster But could be an enhancement for 3.4?
15:30 gmcharlt yes, it could be
15:31 gmcharlt would need some cleaning up, as it currently hardcodes using the en-US dictionary
15:31 * jcamins winces
15:32 gmcharlt but the basic approach suggested in the patch is workable
15:34 kf hm
15:35 kf jcamins++
15:35 kf for wincing at hardcoded en-US :)
15:35 gmcharlt heh
15:36 brendan morning all
15:37 schuster heyo - I'm feeling rather old today - and need a clarification what is "heh"
15:38 gmcharlt "heh"?  a laugh that is barely a laugh
15:38 gmcharlt is that what you mean?
15:38 * kf is feeling rather old today too - blaming the jetlag
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15:46 schuster yes thanks that's what I thought, but there are soooo many little texting things I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a good one!
15:49 schuster Question about "reviews" in the opac - I know we can moderate them would it be hard to add the borrowers location that submitted it?  With 67 schools I really don't want to be the moderator and would like to push them to the librarian.  hmmm even to the point of when they click submit it looked at the library email address for the location and just emailed it
15:49 schuster to the librarian and then they would know to go in and "fix/review" the review before accepting it.
15:50 schuster Seeing an enhancement form in my head...
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15:52 gmcharlt schuster: the patrons' home library?
15:58 schuster Yes.
16:00 gmcharlt wouldn't be hard to add the ability to filter the list of reviews by library
16:00 gmcharlt would that serve your need?
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16:03 schuster For a starter yes - but I also see that the "moderator" can't Modify a review either.
16:03 schuster Just thinking out loud kind of RFC on the IRC... :)
16:03 schuster Alpha bet soup...;)
16:04 schuster I'll go and put an RFC together on the Wiki for people to comment on and add thoughts/suggestions.
16:04 gmcharlt yep, letting the moderator actually change the comment/review would be something new
16:04 gmcharlt still not hard
16:05 schuster Thanks...  perks my interest in how we can make the catalog more web 2.0 here and also use it as a curriculum tie in.  Is there a way to delete a review after it has been accepted?
16:07 owen I would like to add options for controlling how the patron's info is displayed by the comments.
16:07 owen I'm not very comfortable with showing the patron's name by default
16:08 gmcharlt schuster: not presently, but would be another small change
16:09 schuster Hmmm hadn't gotten that far yet owen...  another reason to write this up as an RFC and let people comment.  I can see a syspref for - name display on comments - first, last, both, none or what were you thinking?
16:09 gmcharlt or add a field for a patron nick?
16:10 owen Full name, First plus last initial, or opac login name were my ideas
16:10 schuster so on the form page another field would be nick or would that be on the borrower record?
16:11 schuster our logins are our ID numbers so I would need to discuss this further locally but first name and last initial... hmmm.
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16:28 schuster Ok I'm feeling really dumb...  I see how to add an enhancement - I've logged into the wiki, but can't for the life of me find how to add a page and link it to the RFC pages.
16:28 jcamins schuster: that took me ages to figure out.
16:28 jcamins You have to create a link to the page first.
16:28 owen It's a weird quirk of wikis
16:29 schuster so go to the RFC3.4 page and create  a link under say the C - for comments and fill it out and link it appropriately?
16:32 schuster guess when I figure this out I need to write it up and put it on the wiki!
16:36 schuster need another bone still feeling really dumb.  so if I have an RFC for 3.4 I go to the page where all the RFC3.4's are
16:36 schuster http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]egory:RFCs_for3.4
16:38 schuster but then what?
16:44 schuster Ok I think I found a way around what I was trying to do...  I searched and then "created" when nothing came up that I liked.
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16:46 mib_mike Hi everybody
16:47 mib_mike I just upgraded to 3.2 and I'm getting this error:  Use of uninitialized value $borrowernumber in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 485.
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16:49 mib_mike It's possible I've got a conflict between perl modules in the installer and newer cpan modules.  Any idea how I can resolve it?
16:55 jcamins mib_mike: I don't know, but which modules did you have problems with?
16:57 mib_mike I didn't have problems with modules.  I installed all the cpan modules in "INSTALL.ubuntu" and then the modules in INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid
16:58 mib_mike There were a lot more in the former than in the latter, so I assume I might have a problem there.
16:58 schuster whew... That was harder than it should have been.  - http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/PAC_Comments_RFC
16:59 chris_n ouch
16:59 schuster I feel documentation coming on for that one..  maybe not today but in the near future!
17:00 jcamins chris_n: what?
17:00 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/[…]90c;hb=HEAD#l3802
17:02 jcamins Double ouch!
17:02 owen ?
17:03 chris_n gmcharlt:?
17:04 gmcharlt chris_n: not sure what you're driving at
17:05 chris_n the db version breaks updatedatabase.pl i think
17:05 brendan heh - I think you mean the 1 vs. a 2
17:06 jcamins Also the XXX instead of a real number.
17:06 gmcharlt chris_n: so it does - I was kinda expecting that chris would set the version number - the 3.01.... is no doubt my goof, but leaving it at a XXX version is his :)
17:06 brendan gmcharlt has been typing 3.01 too much ;)
17:06 chris_n a poor person on the list is having trouble
17:06 gmcharlt and running HEAD?
17:07 chris_n hehe
17:07 chris_n some are born for trouble you konw
17:07 chris_n know, even
17:08 * gmcharlt turns on the bat signal for chris
17:08 chris_n @later tell chris this probably should be fixed http://tinyurl.com/2ct9foq :-)
17:08 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:09 chris_n now... to help that unwitting victim
17:10 brendan I like the addition of hudson - who did that?
17:10 gmcharlt brendan: btw, it should actually be 3.03.00...
17:10 gmcharlt brendan: chris did
17:10 brendan ah right
17:10 brendan cool I probably missed that at some point - but thanks chris - cool ;)
17:11 brendan well gmcharlt we need to get in the practice of writting 3.03 now - I usually type the previous years date for the whole month of janurary
17:11 chris_n too bad hudson can't test updatedatabase.pl
17:12 brendan but usually that happens more doing odd years and even years I don't have the problem
17:12 mib_mike So guys, any idea why borrowernumber would suddenly become undefined after an upgrade?
17:12 gmcharlt chris_n: easy enough to write a test case, actually - just grep the version strings and squawk if a XXX one is left in
17:13 jcamins Also, check that version numbers increase.
17:13 mib_mike I'm also getting  Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 488.  which points to $param->{'offset'} being undefined.
17:14 jcamins 38060000035360
17:14 jcamins Sorry, wrong window.
17:16 jcamins mib_mike: are you using the OPACNotPublic patch?
17:16 mib_mike I didn't intentionally apply an OPACNotPublic patch.
17:17 mib_mike We want our opac to be public.
17:20 mib_mike Interestingly enough, if I do a title search from my personal details page, I can see that my Patron Number is defined, but I still get the uniititialized borrowernumber error in the log.
17:21 mib_mike I do get search results, though.
17:22 chris pushed a fix
17:22 chris for the xxx
17:23 jcamins mib_mike: you would've had to do it intentionally. The reason I asked is that my line numbers match yours, and I have extra code from that patch.
17:23 jcamins Apparently it doesn't change the line numbers.
17:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Updating version number and fixing the xxx in updatedatabase ... my bad <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]59bd7fa5f7c516ba0>
17:26 jcamins mib_mike: do you have cookies disabled?
17:26 mib_mike jcamins: No my cookies are on.
17:26 mib_mike By the way, it doesn't matter if I'm logged in or not.
17:26 jcamins I'm out of ideas, then.
17:27 mib_mike Also, some searches return results, others return 404 pages, but there doesn't seem to be a difference in the logs.
17:29 chris sounds to me like you need to do a rebuild_zebra.pl with -r
17:29 mib_mike Sorry, that's wrong.  Searches that end in 404's have log errors of uninitialized value $biblionumber
17:30 mib_mike O.K. I'll rebuild zebra.
17:30 mib_mike jcamins: how can I definitively know if the OPACNotPublic patch has been applied.
17:31 jcamins mib_mike: if you didn't do it yourself after upgrading, and the upgrade worked, it's not applied.
17:32 jcamins And I just checked the git online, and it looks like the lines balance out.
17:32 jcamins So that's not the problem.
17:32 mib_mike jcamins: O.K. Thanks guys. I'll see what rebuild does for me.
17:34 gmcharlt chris: chris_n: just submitted a patch for that problem with the upgrade from 3.0.x reported on the mailng list
17:36 chris ah yep, that looks like a good safe change, im gonna sign off on it and push it now, sooner we do, the less people will run into what martin has
17:36 chris gmcharlt++
17:40 chris chris_n: you probably want to cherry-pick that one, so it goes into 3.2.1
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17:42 cait hi #koha
17:43 chris http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]ushed_4_November/
17:45 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4141: fix upgrade of OPAC XSLT parameters from 3.0.x <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ff951ed6567362e1f>
17:47 chris_n tnx gmcharlt, I didn't have time atm
17:47 chris_n chris: will do in just a bit
17:48 chris hi cait :)
17:48 cait hi chris :)
17:48 cait was tempted to write "good morning #koha"
17:49 chris heh
17:51 brendan morning cait
17:52 cait morning brendan :)
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18:15 chris_n k, 3.2.x is fixed too
18:17 chris cool
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18:44 brendan @wunder 93117
18:44 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (11:54 AM PDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
19:18 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:18 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 14.0�C (3:20 PM EDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
19:19 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:19 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.2�C (8:34 PM CET on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Steady).
19:19 cait @wunder wellington
19:19 munin cait: Error: No such location could be found.
19:19 cait @wunder wellington nz
19:19 munin cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
19:24 chris_n what an abuse of haiku :)
19:25 chris you dont like them ? :-)
19:27 chris_n oh, their fine... very fine
19:27 chris_n some of the more classic examples I'd say ;-)
19:27 * cait is confused
19:27 chris hehe
19:27 chris_n of what, I won't say :)
19:28 chris http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]ushed_4_November/
19:28 chris gotta make lists of patches fun somehow :)
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19:29 * chris_n thinks their hilarious and break up the monotony
19:29 chris_n they're, even
19:32 jcamins lol!
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19:35 cait hm
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20:08 richard hi
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20:10 brendan hi richard
20:10 richard hiya brendan
20:10 walter looks like logbot is still going
20:11 chris not the katipo logbot, its a new one
20:11 chris (well about 1.5 years old)
20:11 walter ah
20:11 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today
20:11 walter is the katipo one still to be restarted or has it been scrapped
20:12 * walter will update the katipo documentation if it is to be scrapped
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20:12 walter richard, do you know?
20:13 richard i don't know
20:13 richard haven't seen it going
20:13 walter yeah, doesn't look like it was running
20:15 chris i dont think its been running for ages
20:15 chris since 2007
20:15 walter cool, i'll update the documentation, thanks
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20:17 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominio[…]-New-ZealandCelia
20:17 chris US secretary of state lands in nz, with stupid amounts of security
20:17 chris mayor of wellington rides her bicycle to the airport to meet her
20:17 richard i wonder who the Celia from the URL is
20:17 richard ah
20:17 chris :)
20:17 chris The welcome party also included Wellington mayor Celia Wade-Brown, who arrived at the terminal at 4.55am on her bicycle.
20:18 chris gotta love that :)
20:18 walter i walked into town yesterday, she biked by
20:18 walter yep
20:18 walter very cool
20:22 jcamins schuster: bringing up the R-acronym. Brave.
20:23 chris lets form a committee on forming committees about forming committees
20:23 cait aw
20:23 rhcl_away meta-committee?
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20:23 cait can I be on the commitee to decide about this idea?
20:23 rhcl is it common to use both carp and warn together?
20:23 chris yes
20:24 rhcl yes to cait or me?
20:24 jcamins rhcl: Oy vey. If you don't drink your milk, you will develop sciatica.
20:24 jcamins rhcl: so, yes.
20:24 chris well cait needs to apply to the commitee for deciding who can apply to committees
20:25 chris but yes to your mixing warn and carp
20:25 chris its quite common
20:25 chris they do the same thing, carp just usually has better messages
20:25 rhcl so we need to warn cait about carp drinking milk?
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20:26 chris we could make more use of cluck
20:26 chris when developing
20:26 chris which gives a nice stackbacktrace
20:26 cait lol
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20:27 chris but either way, they should all be disabled in production
20:27 rhcl I'm taking notes...
20:27 chris carping because we hit an error is bad bad practice
20:27 rhcl so what about croak?
20:27 chris doing it during development so you can learn about the error and handle it is fine
20:28 chris croak has its place, croaking becuase we cant get a database handle for instance
20:28 chris thats a pretty fatal error
20:28 chris but we should still trap that error and give the user a better error message
20:29 jcamins cait: yay! I'm glad to hear you have your suitcase back.
20:29 rhcl but it would be wrong to associate croak with an exception handler?
20:29 chris nope
20:29 chris you could do
20:29 rhcl ...or think of croak as like an exception handler....
20:29 chris eval { something that might croak }
20:29 chris if ($@){
20:29 chris handle the error nicely
20:29 chris }
20:30 chris yeah its not an execption handler, its throwing a fatal error, and giving the developer enough info to hopefully be able to fix the error
20:30 cait jcamins: me too :) first load is in the washing machine now
20:33 jcamins Time to close up.
20:33 jcamins Good night, #koha
20:33 rhcl night
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20:39 schuster OK you bullys...  I see my name and thoughts getting canned...  I can take it just wondering what we are going to do about it.  I don't know enough about it personally so a committee of one can handle it but it won't be me.
20:39 schuster RDA - blah...
20:40 chris im unlikely to invest any energy on it, until someone asks for it
20:41 schuster I understand that but we need to figure out what we need to ask for don't we?
20:41 chris yes, you do :)
20:41 brendan heh chris - committees on committees  (I remember those days when I worked in a library - so many committees - but it a great excuse to get out of the office)
20:41 schuster the problem is I don't know what to ask for so that was why I suggested a committee of smarter people than I come together to help figure it out.
20:41 chris you need to decide what you want it to actually do, and describe that in terms a human can understand
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20:42 chris because RDA at the moment is like saying 'STUFF'
20:42 chris someone needs to define what they actually want
20:43 schuster Yep...  I was just going to say you want me to take that slide from Ian's presentation and send it to you?  That's stuff - so again a group of individuals figuring out what we want/need would be helpful.
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20:43 chris i was at ians presentation
20:44 chris sure, but they can do that without forming a committee
20:44 schuster This morning a thought I had about comments owen had a great suggestion that I hadn't thought about so I tried to put it into the wiki as an RFC - let's not talk about the trouble I had with that...
20:44 schuster ok then call the "group" whatever you want to call it - I called it a committee.
20:45 chris im not gonna call it anything :)
20:45 chris when someone can describe what they want added, id be happy to code it
20:45 schuster OK friends!  have a great day!  I'm off maybe to an american 5 year old football scrimmage!
20:45 schuster American football that is...
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20:52 brendan so are there any foreigners (from kohacon) still in NZ?
20:52 chris nate
20:53 chris i think the engards leave today?
20:53 chris lee
20:53 chris is in christchurch
20:53 chris and i think slef leaves today
20:57 brendan ah biblibre's leave yet?
20:58 chris yep
20:58 chris this morning
20:59 chris bbiab
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21:38 brendan Ah Nate's engaged!!!
21:38 brendan Nate++
21:42 cait grats Nate :)
21:42 brendan yeah that's fun
22:02 mib_mike Hi guys
22:03 mib_mike I'm having trouble with zebra reindexing
22:03 mib_mike It looks like I've got some bad marc in my database.
22:03 mib_mike Is there an easy way to find out which records are choking my zebra?
22:07 robin There's no nice way I've found.
22:07 robin You might be able to get away with using -x to try using the XML stuff instead.
22:07 mib_mike Thanks robin. I'll give that a try
22:07 robin But zebra has a bad habit of exploding when it sees one dodgy record.
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22:08 mib_mike It's not the explosion that bothers me so much it's the not knowing why.
22:10 magnus kia ora, #koha!
22:11 brendan hey magnus
22:11 robin I have done it by tracking down the record from the byte counts, but it was quite tricky and took a while.
22:12 magnus hi brendan
22:13 robin magnus: mōrena
22:13 magnus hiya robin
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