Time  Nick       Message
00:02 wasabi     hey ronald, mason here ;)
00:02 wasabi     you got home OK then...
00:03 ronald     yes
00:04 brendan    @wunder 93117
00:04 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 26.9�C (5:14 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
00:04 brendan    @wunder wellington, nz
00:04 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
00:13 chris_n    @wunder 28334
00:13 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.8�C (8:25 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising).
00:13 * chris_n  burned the first fire of the season tonight
00:22 brendan    ah I love fires
00:22 brendan    hiya chris_n
00:23 chris_n    hey brandan
00:23 brendan    ah I can tell you live in the south ;)
00:24 chris_n    heh :-)
00:24 chris_n    nothing like a fire on a very cold night with some hot chocolate and spiced cider, etc
00:26 chris_n    of course what we're missing here is the very cold night part
00:36 brendan    anybody know off the top of their heads - what is being passed for the syndectics enhanced content (is it the first ISBN in the record - or is it all of them)?
00:38 chris_n    heya cait
00:38 cait       hi chris_n
00:38 chris_n    seen your bags yet?
00:39 cait       nope
00:39 brendan    oh bummer
00:39 cait       called them, they have no idea where it is
00:40 brendan    that's not good at all
00:40 cait       oh
00:40 chris_n    ouch, sorry :-(
00:41 cait       checking the online tracking system
00:41 cait       it says now: baggage located
00:41 * chris_n  holds his breath
00:41 cait       perhaps they do know now where it is
00:41 * cait     hopes for london or zürich, not sydney or wellington
00:41 * chris_n  thinks cheap rfid tags on baggage would help
00:41 cait       yeah
00:42 cait       my flight from london to zürich was delayed - they told us, we were waiting for the baggage to arrive and be loaded...
00:42 cait       hmpf.
00:44 cait       ok, I hope I will get it tomorrow, I am away for a presentation on thursday, will make it harder to get it delivered
00:46 chris      cait!!!
00:47 * cait     waves
00:47 cait       hi chris :)
00:47 chris      heya, glad you made it home, sorry to hear about the bag
00:47 cait       nah, could be worse
00:47 cait       and at least it seems they have found it
00:47 chris      yay
00:47 cait       I even have a flight number now - trying to find out which flight it is
00:47 cait       missing nz
00:48 chris      i have eaten some of your chocolate, saving the rest for when i have a stressful day
00:49 cait       share with the kids! :)
00:50 chris      they had some :)
00:50 cait       but hope you liked it
00:50 chris      yes, very yummy
00:50 cait       that's good
00:51 cait       and it must have been more chocolate than I thought, my suitcase was lighter on my way back home :)
00:51 cait       were the test cases ok? saw that you pushed them
00:52 robin      hi cait!
00:52 cait       hi robin :)
00:54 chris      cait: yep, they ran fine
00:54 chris      there was one that gmcharlt fixed, but the rest were fine
00:55 cait       ok :)
00:55 chris      http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_Master/lastSuccessfulBuild/testReport/
00:55 chris      now 1711 tests being run
00:55 cait       I think the unit tests 101 are all done now, will try to do some for overdues perhaps next
00:56 chris      yay!
00:56 cait       wanted to look at the code there to make some changes fo rus
01:03 cait       nicole and brian are still in nz?
01:05 chris      yup
01:05 chris      at wineries at the moment
01:05 cait       aw
01:06 * cait     wants to be there too
01:06 chris      hehe
01:08 cait       was strange waking up in my own bad, took some time to realize where I am :)
01:09 robin      and now the sun moves across the sky in the wrong direction for you, which must be confusing.
01:10 cait       saw not much sun here today
01:11 cait       but will check tomorrow ;)
01:11 cait       and I should not be awake now
01:13 cait       bad = bed...
01:13 chris      yes, its pretty early in the morning for you
01:13 robin      surely it would be easier to just stick with NZ time from now on? :)
01:15 cait       hehe
01:15 cait       yes, but employer would not be happy, I am going back to work today
01:17 chris_n    lol
01:17 * chris_n  tries to imagine the whole world on a single TZ
01:26 chris_n    opps... forgot to add the signed off flag :-(
01:27 * cait1    gives chris_n a cookie
01:28 chris_n    a chocolate-mint cookie?
01:28 cait1      ?
01:28 chris      ahh its ok, i read the patches anyway
01:29 chris      i see its now been signed off twice :)
01:29 chris_n    just my favorite flavor cookie
01:29 cait1      I offer you a free cookie and you hav especial wishes?
01:29 chris      thats good enough for me, ill push it
01:29 chris_n    hehe
01:29 cait1      ;)
01:29 * cait1    gets hungry now
01:31 chris_n    is it me or is the list server slow tonight?
01:32 * chris_n  only received 2/2 not 1/2 yet
01:33 chris      for 4991
01:33 chris      im just gonna merge the branch anyway, not reaplly the patches
01:38 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4991' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef087b000620b5c5d113a4cabe5b8c22c984b3f8> / bug 4991: follow-up tweaks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba35ce60e1cefbfa0cfbedaca218f46f2662310e> / Fix for Bug 4991, Overhaul of Calendar interface <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1117f6920ceccecc8
01:48 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/merge_help' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5145eb59b786bd2010eb324197034dd210504543>
01:50 brendan    hmmm...  anyone have a record in their opacs that has a the series information is in the 490 and not the 440 and that is displaying correctly
01:50 brendan    with XSLT on
01:51 brendan    it's in the code that it should be displaying - but it's not
01:51 brendan    example - http://catalog.marlboro.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=11678
01:55 brendan    ok I think I see the issue - but I'm not sure will need to look at some more examples
01:55 brendan    in the XSLT stylesheet - I'm seeing indacator info --> [@ind1=0]
01:56 brendan    not sure if we need that - it's not there for the [440] tag
01:56 brendan    thoughts?
01:57 cait1      hm yes
01:58 cait1      iirc the indicator indicates if it's traced or not
01:58 cait1      are you looking at current head?
01:59 brendan    I don't think I'm looking at head
01:59 brendan    let me see
01:59 brendan    what head has
01:59 cait1      I think head should have a bugfix by owen
01:59 cait1      killing the indicator distinction
01:59 cait1      and I have a patch for readding it with (I hope) correct behaviour:
01:59 cait1      http://github.com/kfischer/Koha/commit/232a513a5f229ce27694d3f71cf7dc97bdbe7819
02:00 brendan    yup I see that now
02:03 jcamins_a  Ooh, are we talking about series tracings?
02:04 jcamins    There was a patch by owen.
02:05 jcamins    (applied to head... I was looking at it yesterday)
02:05 jcamins    But cait's patch is needed.
02:07 chris      signoff and send it up, and if it looks ok ill push it :)
02:08 jcamins    First I need to write out what I think it should be doing, then find out if it does that.
02:09 jcamins    And probably bribe cait to ask her coworker who works on RDA to confirm that the series handling is the same.
02:10 * chris_n  sings the praises of running production over git
02:11 jcamins    chris_n: what?
02:11 jcamins    You mean, using dev installs?
02:12 chris_n    exactly
02:12 chris_n    very smooth upgrading
02:12 jcamins    Ah.
02:13 jcamins    Yeah, also the ability to add bugfixes if there's a serious problem.
02:13 chris_n    git++ * 1000
02:13 chris_n    and role back, etc, etc, etc
02:15 chris      http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_3_November/
02:18 cait1      jcamins: you don't need to bribe me, but not sure she will know about marc21
02:19 jcamins    Isn't RDA going to be encoded in MARC, at least to start with?
02:19 brendan    jcamins that's what I've been hearing
02:19 * brendan  is no authority on that though
02:26 cait1      jcamins: ok, then she will probably know
02:26 cait1      jcmains: I have really not much idea about rda yet
02:26 * jcamins  mostly just knows that it's going to be a disaster.
02:32 chris_n    g'night #koha
02:32 chris      night chris_n
02:33 jcamins    Good night, chris_n
02:34 jcamins    cait1: speaking of night, why are you awake?
02:34 cait1      jetlag
02:34 jcamins    Isn't it... 5am?
02:34 jcamins    Ah.
02:34 jcamins    Right.
02:34 cait1      i tried to stay up as long as possible, but fell asleep at 5.30 and now I am awake after 7 hours of sleep
02:34 brendan    man today disappeared and I've still got to ride my bike home - I'm going to freeze my *** off
02:34 brendan    @wunder 93117
02:34 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (7:45 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
02:35 brendan    that's not right munin
02:35 cait1      @wunder Konstanz
02:35 munin      cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.4�C (3:49 AM CET on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
02:35 jcamins    @wunder 11105
02:35 munin      jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 7.6�C (10:45 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa (Steady).
02:35 cait1      and brendan is complaining... ;)
02:35 jcamins    That's exactly what I was thinking.
02:35 jcamins    And I walked seventy blocks today.
02:36 brendan    yeah I'm telling you weatherunderground is not reporting the correct temp
02:36 jcamins    Actually, you're right.
02:36 brendan    i'd guess it's about 12 outside (that's cold for shorts and a t-shirt)
02:36 jcamins    That's the same temperature it was this afternoon.
02:37 robin      brendan: I just checked, and I have a 490$a and $v field showing up fine in the opac with and without XSLT. I'm running from just before the 3.2 release.
02:37 robin      I did also change the koha to marc mapping setting to match
02:37 brendan    yeah I saw in head that's been somewhat changed from what I was looking at
02:38 brendan    need to rebase ;)
02:39 jcamins    brendan: sounds like it.
02:40 jcamins    There have been some great patches pushed in the past few weeks.
02:40 cait1      reading paul's acq rfc's
02:40 cait1      that's so cool - almost all things my librarians complained about during training are already sponsored
02:41 jcamins    cait1: that's very nice.
02:41 cait       koha++
02:42 cait       yes, it really is. let's hope all the new features will find their way into 3.4 :)
02:42 jcamins    koha++
02:42 jcamins    @karma koha
02:42 munin      jcamins: Karma for "koha" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
02:42 jcamins    !?!
02:42 jcamins    Eleven?
02:42 jcamins    koha++
02:42 cait       koha++
02:42 cait       koha++++++
02:42 cait       @karma koha
02:42 munin      cait: Karma for "koha" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
02:42 cait       koha++
02:42 cait       koha++
02:42 cait       koha++
02:43 jcamins    koha+=1000000000
02:43 cait       this will get hard g
02:43 jcamins    (yeah, I know it doesn't work)
02:43 cait       or we have to ask gmcharlt to adjust it
02:43 jcamins    Oh, that would make sense.
02:43 jcamins    @karma
02:43 munin      jcamins: Highest karma: "chris" (187), "gmcharlt" (176), and "owen" (170).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-71), "failed" (-46), and "-" (-30).  You (jcamins) are ranked 19 out of 1046.
02:44 cait       :)
02:44 jcamins    I like the fact that - has negative karma. I guess lots of people have typed three dashes in a row.
02:44 cait       @karma jcamins
02:44 munin      cait: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
02:44 cait       :)
02:44 jcamins    Wow, that's a lot of karma.
02:44 jcamins    @karma cait
02:44 munin      jcamins: Karma for "cait" has been increased 32 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 32.
02:44 jcamins    @karma kf
02:44 munin      jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 31 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 31.
02:45 jcamins    That's a lot more. ;)
02:45 cait       being here for a longer time
02:45 jcamins    Yup.
02:45 cait       you are catching up very fast :)
02:45 cait       ITEM LOCATED, PENDING  CONFIRMATION < suitcase found
02:46 jcamins    Woohoo!
02:46 jcamins    clothing++
02:46 jcamins    Oh, phooey. I forgot to pick up my suit from the dry cleaner.
02:46 cait       and there is a ba flight number that indicated it could already be in zürich!
02:46 cait       lol
02:47 brendan    @karma brendan
02:47 munin      brendan: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 19 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 19.
02:47 jcamins    @karma bywater
02:47 munin      jcamins: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
02:47 jcamins    @karma bywatersolutions
02:47 munin      jcamins: bywatersolutions has neutral karma.
02:47 brendan    @karma sekjal
02:47 munin      brendan: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 38 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 37.
02:47 brendan    @karma nengard
02:47 munin      brendan: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 122 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 122.
02:48 brendan    @karma Nate
02:48 munin      brendan: Karma for "Nate" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
02:48 cait       ok, I will try to get some more slee
02:48 cait       p
02:48 jcamins    Good idea.
02:48 brendan    ah that's how it should be - sekjal and nengard should get the credit ;)
02:48 jcamins    Do you have work today?
02:48 cait       talk to you tomorrow :)
02:48 cait       yep
02:48 jcamins    Ick.
02:48 jcamins    Good night.
02:48 cait       3 hours until i have to get up
02:49 cait       thx :)
02:50 brendan    jcamins this is fun to look at --> http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
02:52 jcamins    I'm 22nd most talkative.
02:52 jcamins    Go figure.
02:53 * brendan  is still surprised that kados is better chris
02:53 jcamins    I like the "big numbers" section.
02:53 brendan    s/better/beating
02:53 brendan    that better is a bad slip
02:53 brendan    brendan--
02:53 munin      brendan: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
02:55 jcamins    Why doesn't the karma match up with what munin says?
02:56 brendan    I think it how many people have giving you karma
02:56 brendan    not the total
02:57 brendan    gosh I'm typing like yoda tonight
02:58 jcamins    Ah.
03:05 chris      kados used to talk a lot
03:05 chris      and the logs only go back to 2003ish
03:05 * richard  doesn't talk enought
03:05 chris      lemme update them
03:05 chris      they are 3 weeks old
03:10 brendan    ah cool - I think I should not be as high anymore - I don't think I've been to chatty lately (as I chatter away) :)
03:10 chris      there we go
03:11 brendan    munin is right on my tail
03:11 munin      brendan: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
03:12 jcamins    brendan: looks like munin has said more than you.
03:12 brendan    well let me tell you my life story ;)
03:13 brendan    we'll all have to celebrate when chris passes kados for talking too much (errr..  maybe not enough)
03:16 brendan    alright time for me to head home and finish the passage by justin cronin ;)
03:16 brendan    I should have that as a link to a koha catalog - but I'm lazy right now ;)
03:16 jcamins    munin: find Cronin's The Passage in a Koha catalog and provide a link.
03:16 munin      jcamins: Error: "find" is not a valid command.
03:17 brendan    there you go -->
03:17 brendan    got it in a testing server
03:18 jcamins    Wow.
03:18 jcamins    That's really nice.
03:19 jcamins    Oh, ltfl?
03:19 jcamins    Is that where "you might also enjoy" is coming from?
03:19 brendan    yup
03:19 brendan    ltfl++
03:26 richard    bob: i'm marking off which of those bugs are unique to the katipo site - for lianza
03:38 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5308' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5bdc1e9ab9465c618968eb32f2adbfeee56c445>
04:45 brendan_l  so when do the biblibre people fly back home?
04:46 robin      they decided to stay here for good.
04:48 brendan_l  ha - I think the reset of bywater decided too
04:49 brendan_l  man rest not reset (ok bedtime for me)
05:09 kmkale     hi all
05:09 kmkale     Wish you all a very very happy Diwali!!
06:02 cait       good morning #koha
06:29 chris      heya cait, get your bag?
06:30 cait       not yet
06:30 cait       but the tracking system's message is more positive now
06:31 cait       so I hope they will call soon
06:35 fedora     hello
06:37 fedora     hello how are you can you tell me how i can confirm my zebra server running properly
06:40 hdl        fedora: use yaz-client
06:41 hdl        or do ps auxf|grep zebra
06:42 cait       hi hdl
06:42 * cait     waves
06:44 fedora     can you tell me
06:44 fedora     plz
06:44 fedora     basically i installed  koha 3.0.6 completely
06:44 fedora     with zebra server but confuse how i will know properly zebra running
06:44 fedora     backside
06:51 chris      hdl told you already
06:51 chris      fedora: ps auxf|grep zebra
06:53 hdl        hi cait.
06:53 hdl        hope you had a good flight back.
06:54 hdl        chris.... Thanks you again.
06:54 fedora     bash: !greo: event not found (when i run this command such error occur)
06:54 hdl        fedora: use your mouse. and copy paste.
06:55 chris      hdl: thanks for ??
06:56 paul_p     chris, thanks for your hospitality & this conference !
06:57 chris      ahh :) it was my pleasure
06:59 chris      paul_p: what time is your flight?
07:00 paul_p     chris, 8AM
07:00 paul_p     shuttle ordered at 6:30
07:00 paul_p     (and gates closes at 8AM. take of at 8:40)
07:01 chris      cool
07:12 fedora     bye every body thanks for your help
07:21 cait       hdl: flight was good, but suitcase missing. hope they will find and bring it to me today
07:21 cait       hdl & paul_p: have a good flight!
07:21 paul_p     cait, thx. Where are you now ?
07:21 cait       I am at home, heading to work
07:22 cait       have to go - bye :)
07:26 Sussan     Hey anyone upgraded from koha 3.0.0 to 3.2
07:34 Sussan     Anyone upgraded i am going to implement it so anyone moved forward before me to take this risk
07:34 Sussan     lol
07:39 ivanc      hi #koha
08:09 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug2567' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78a1f5827548d1abd20514945b4fee447dc7e28c>
08:49 maragar    Hello
08:51 maragar    I am trying to find finnish laguage files for koha, but just can't find a way to dl them.
08:52 maragar    pootle site lists the project, but I can't find any way to dl it
09:05 kf         good morning #koha
09:10 chris      hi again kf
09:29 irmaB      Bonsoir :-)
09:30 irmaB      I need help editing the koha wiki page "development"
09:31 irmaB      anyone about?
09:33 Sussan     Goodmorning can anyone tell me how i can embed virtual keyboard in koha 3.0.6
09:35 irmaB      Hi Sussan
09:35 Sussan     Hir
09:35 Sussan     Hi Irma
09:35 irmaB      sorry I don't know the answer to your question ... maybe it's in the Koha manual?
09:36 Sussan     Basically i have implemented virtual keyboard in koha 2.9 but facing problem in koha 3.0.6
09:36 Sussan     Its ok no problem
09:39 irmaB      perhaps try again later when more people are about or perhaps email the list ..
09:39 Sussan     can you tell me email id
09:44 irmaB      here it is : koha@lists.katipo.co.nz.
09:45 irmaB      good luck.
09:45 chris      http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
09:45 chris      subscribe first, or your message wont go through
10:04 kf         hi Irma :)
10:08 irmaB      hi Katrin how was the trip home?
10:09 irmaB      sooo nice to meet you in person in W'ton
10:10 irmaB      I am in Melbourne - did a Koha demo today
10:11 irmaB      and had to stop myself from not speaking too much about how cool the conf. was and going to Levin
10:11 irmaB      etc.
10:13 irmaB      Bist Du schon wieder an der Arbeit?
10:15 Sussan     irmaB here anyone implemented virtual keyboard before
10:15 Sussan     especially in koha 3
10:16 irmaB      not sure in Koha 3 but libraries in Pakistan have I think
10:17 irmaB      Chris Cormack will know but it's 11.30PM in New Zealand now so perhaps try again in 7 or 8 hours
10:17 irmaB      Sussan where in the world are you?
10:19 markk      good morning all
10:19 kf         irmaB: ja, entschuldige, bin wieder in der Arbeit und daher ein bisschen abgelenkt
10:19 kf         irmaB: die Reise war gut - und heute kriege ich auch noch meinen koffer :)
10:20 kf         Sussan: I have, but I want to rewrite it. You can look at it in the catalog of one of our libraries: hfjs.bsz-bw.de
10:22 irmaB      Hoffetlich ist alles in deinem Koffer...Schade das Du dieses Problem hast :-(
10:24 markk      yesterday i was having problems with barcodes auto-increment not working in kohalivecd r5 http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/. jcamins and owen tried to help me but didn't find any solution. Just for the information, anyone who needs a fast access to Koha 3.2 with barcodes working, try KohaLiveCD r6 based on Ubuntu 10.10 and Koha 3.2.
10:33 Sussan     i am in sweeden irma
10:33 Sussan     kf can you guide me
10:34 kf         have you looked at the catalog if this solution is interesting for you?
10:35 kf         irmaB: glad they found the suitcase, will be delivered today - very relieved now :)
11:27 kmkale     bye all
11:34 Sussan     bye
12:41 briceSanc  hello !
12:43 owen       Hi briceSanc
12:44 briceSanc  Do you know if we can translate something in an input type="text" like a placeholder="words in english" ?
12:45 briceSanc  do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)2 ?
12:45 briceSanc  oops
12:45 briceSanc  do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)" ?
12:46 owen       briceSanc: I don't believe so, based on the fact that, for instance, the French template translation shows submit button labels in French.
12:47 owen       That means that the "value" attribute of the input tag is being picked up by the translation script
12:47 gmcharlt   right
12:47 kf         briceSanc: which version of koha are u using?
12:47 gmcharlt   also, note that the _("foo bar") construction should only be used for JavaScript embedded in the templates
12:47 kf         there was a problem with translation of submit buttons some time ago
12:48 kf         but it's solved in 3.2, don't know about the 3.0.x releases
12:49 briceSanc  owen, ok. gmcharlt, ok too. kf, I use the latest Koha on Git.
12:51 briceSanc  In fact, i want to translate in french this portion of code : <input placeholder="Enter search keywords" type="text" name="q" />
12:52 owen       What is "placeholder" ?
12:52 briceSanc  Do you know how I can tell the script translation "Enter search keywords" is to translate?
12:53 gmcharlt   owen: briceSanc: looks like an HTML5 construct
12:53 briceSanc  placeholder is the new html5
12:53 gmcharlt   for hint text
12:53 briceSanc  http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html
12:54 gmcharlt   and for right now, just put the label outside of the <input> element
12:55 gmcharlt   use of HTML5 in the templates is slightly premature
12:59 briceSanc  i dont think, because if the browser doesn't support the html5 tag placeholder, a JS function emulate the tag behavior.
13:00 gmcharlt   what JS function?  coming from where?
13:01 gmcharlt   also, currently the convention is to have all Koha HTML be valid XHTML
13:01 gmcharlt   which has mostly been followed with the exception of allowing the autocomplete attribute
13:02 gmcharlt   I agree that we should be planning on moving to HTML5, but it is still a bit of moving target
13:02 briceSanc  jquery plugin : jquery.placeholder.js
13:02 schuster   Who manages the koha-devel email list?  I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited.  It talks about koha.org all over the place.  No wonder people are confused!
13:03 gmcharlt   @later tell hdl <schuster> Who manages the koha-devel email list?  I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited.  It talks about koha.org all over the place.  No wonder people are confused!
13:03 munin      gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
13:04 gmcharlt   schuster: could you forward me a copy of the message you got when you subcribed?
13:04 schuster   Yes I also just found hdl so I will forward it to both of you.
13:06 schuster   snap!  done.  Thanks gmcharlt.
13:07 schuster   I liked seeing that I was 27th in the chatty list...  too bad I'm not 27 in the commit list :(  not my strong point.
13:07 briceSanc  gmcharlt, my real question is: Is it possible to wrap terms in markers in order to force the translation ?
13:08 gmcharlt   briceSanc: not like that.  a bit of code in the translation system would have to be changed to recognize that the placeholder element needs to be picked up
13:08 gmcharlt   it's not a big deal
13:08 briceSanc  ok :)
13:08 gmcharlt   but I'm not really sure what placeholder gets us all by itself
13:09 gmcharlt   when we move to HTML5 or XHTML5, we'll get it
13:09 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
13:15 owen       I wonder what will become of my work on Bug 3652 with the transition to template toolkit
13:15 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities
13:21 jcamins    Won't T::T still require escaping?
13:25 kf         hi jcamins :)
13:26 jcamins    kf: long time no talk!
13:26 jcamins    Are you at all awake?
13:26 kf         hm
13:27 kf         I feel a bit odd, but I am awake
13:27 kf         still sorting through my mail
13:27 kf         preparing for presentations tomorrow and friday
13:55 Sussan     hello
13:56 Sussan     any body at home
13:59 owen       Hi Sussan
14:02 Sussan     hi owen
14:02 owen       Sussan: If you have a question you can ask it here
14:03 Sussan     can i enable virtual keyboard in search option
14:03 Sussan     so any code available any place
14:04 Sussan     2nd thing can i upgrade koha 3.0.6 to 3.2
14:04 Sussan     basically people generally face lot of problem when they upgrade
14:08 kf         Sussan: koha has no feature for virtual keyboard yet, you have to do something yourself - that's why I offered to send you how I did it for our library
14:11 Sussan     thanks Kf
14:12 Sussan     kf but our admin approximately 15 minutes ago reffering library that using virtual keyboard i said that it wll be previous version because i know how to configure virtual key board in previous versions
14:13 Sussan     before koha version 3
14:14 kf         I was not aware that koha before 3.0 had virtual keyboards
14:14 kf         which library was he referring to?
14:15 Sussan     no kf they just modified by himself
14:15 Sussan     reffereing any indian library which did change by theirself
14:17 Sussan     thats why i also became confuse and other thing do you think its better to upgrade version while we are in production environment just suggest me
14:18 kf         do you have a test installation?
14:18 kf         we usually make a test upgrade first and later the production systems
14:19 kf         but I am not sure how other libraries work here
14:19 kf         our first major upgrade will be from 3.01.61 to 3.2
14:19 Sussan     yes
14:20 Sussan     hope for the best
14:21 Sussan     basically some one in morning said me that one guy which comeonline on evening recently upgraded 3.2
14:21 Sussan     Kf so are you using debian or ubuntu
14:21 Sussan     os
14:31 Sussan     bye kf and take care
15:28 schuster   gmcharlt - question about bug 4240
15:28 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
15:29 schuster   On the Harley page it talks about needing to add the Aspell dictionary and possibly a syspref for the number of responses.  So I am to assume this hasn't been pulled into 3.2 yet.
15:29 schuster   But could be an enhancement for 3.4?
15:30 gmcharlt   yes, it could be
15:31 gmcharlt   would need some cleaning up, as it currently hardcodes using the en-US dictionary
15:31 * jcamins  winces
15:32 gmcharlt   but the basic approach suggested in the patch is workable
15:34 kf         hm
15:35 kf         jcamins++
15:35 kf         for wincing at hardcoded en-US :)
15:35 gmcharlt   heh
15:36 brendan    morning all
15:37 schuster   heyo - I'm feeling rather old today - and need a clarification what is "heh"
15:38 gmcharlt   "heh"?  a laugh that is barely a laugh
15:38 gmcharlt   is that what you mean?
15:38 * kf       is feeling rather old today too - blaming the jetlag
15:46 schuster   yes thanks that's what I thought, but there are soooo many little texting things I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a good one!
15:49 schuster   Question about "reviews" in the opac - I know we can moderate them would it be hard to add the borrowers location that submitted it?  With 67 schools I really don't want to be the moderator and would like to push them to the librarian.  hmmm even to the point of when they click submit it looked at the library email address for the location and just emailed it
15:49 schuster   to the librarian and then they would know to go in and "fix/review" the review before accepting it.
15:50 schuster   Seeing an enhancement form in my head...
15:52 gmcharlt   schuster: the patrons' home library?
15:58 schuster   Yes.
16:00 gmcharlt   wouldn't be hard to add the ability to filter the list of reviews by library
16:00 gmcharlt   would that serve your need?
16:03 schuster   For a starter yes - but I also see that the "moderator" can't Modify a review either.
16:03 schuster   Just thinking out loud kind of RFC on the IRC... :)
16:03 schuster   Alpha bet soup...;)
16:04 schuster   I'll go and put an RFC together on the Wiki for people to comment on and add thoughts/suggestions.
16:04 gmcharlt   yep, letting the moderator actually change the comment/review would be something new
16:04 gmcharlt   still not hard
16:05 schuster   Thanks...  perks my interest in how we can make the catalog more web 2.0 here and also use it as a curriculum tie in.  Is there a way to delete a review after it has been accepted?
16:07 owen       I would like to add options for controlling how the patron's info is displayed by the comments.
16:07 owen       I'm not very comfortable with showing the patron's name by default
16:08 gmcharlt   schuster: not presently, but would be another small change
16:09 schuster   Hmmm hadn't gotten that far yet owen...  another reason to write this up as an RFC and let people comment.  I can see a syspref for - name display on comments - first, last, both, none or what were you thinking?
16:09 gmcharlt   or add a field for a patron nick?
16:10 owen       Full name, First plus last initial, or opac login name were my ideas
16:10 schuster   so on the form page another field would be nick or would that be on the borrower record?
16:11 schuster   our logins are our ID numbers so I would need to discuss this further locally but first name and last initial... hmmm.
16:28 schuster   Ok I'm feeling really dumb...  I see how to add an enhancement - I've logged into the wiki, but can't for the life of me find how to add a page and link it to the RFC pages.
16:28 jcamins    schuster: that took me ages to figure out.
16:28 jcamins    You have to create a link to the page first.
16:28 owen       It's a weird quirk of wikis
16:29 schuster   so go to the RFC3.4 page and create  a link under say the C - for comments and fill it out and link it appropriately?
16:32 schuster   guess when I figure this out I need to write it up and put it on the wiki!
16:36 schuster   need another bone still feeling really dumb.  so if I have an RFC for 3.4 I go to the page where all the RFC3.4's are
16:36 schuster   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:RFCs_for3.4
16:38 schuster   but then what?
16:44 schuster   Ok I think I found a way around what I was trying to do...  I searched and then "created" when nothing came up that I liked.
16:46 mib_mike   Hi everybody
16:47 mib_mike   I just upgraded to 3.2 and I'm getting this error:  Use of uninitialized value $borrowernumber in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 485.
16:49 mib_mike   It's possible I've got a conflict between perl modules in the installer and newer cpan modules.  Any idea how I can resolve it?
16:55 jcamins    mib_mike: I don't know, but which modules did you have problems with?
16:57 mib_mike   I didn't have problems with modules.  I installed all the cpan modules in "INSTALL.ubuntu" and then the modules in INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid
16:58 mib_mike   There were a lot more in the former than in the latter, so I assume I might have a problem there.
16:58 schuster   whew... That was harder than it should have been.  - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PAC_Comments_RFC
16:59 chris_n    ouch
16:59 schuster   I feel documentation coming on for that one..  maybe not today but in the near future!
17:00 jcamins    chris_n: what?
17:00 chris_n    http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=6443c67ca26ab9dbe14790bf01e98e469779490c;hb=HEAD#l3802
17:02 jcamins    Double ouch!
17:02 owen       ?
17:03 chris_n    gmcharlt:?
17:04 gmcharlt   chris_n: not sure what you're driving at
17:05 chris_n    the db version breaks updatedatabase.pl i think
17:05 brendan    heh - I think you mean the 1 vs. a 2
17:06 jcamins    Also the XXX instead of a real number.
17:06 gmcharlt   chris_n: so it does - I was kinda expecting that chris would set the version number - the 3.01.... is no doubt my goof, but leaving it at a XXX version is his :)
17:06 brendan    gmcharlt has been typing 3.01 too much ;)
17:06 chris_n    a poor person on the list is having trouble
17:06 gmcharlt   and running HEAD?
17:07 chris_n    hehe
17:07 chris_n    some are born for trouble you konw
17:07 chris_n    know, even
17:08 * gmcharlt turns on the bat signal for chris
17:08 chris_n    @later tell chris this probably should be fixed http://tinyurl.com/2ct9foq :-)
17:08 munin      chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:09 chris_n    now... to help that unwitting victim
17:10 brendan    I like the addition of hudson - who did that?
17:10 gmcharlt   brendan: btw, it should actually be 3.03.00...
17:10 gmcharlt   brendan: chris did
17:10 brendan    ah right
17:10 brendan    cool I probably missed that at some point - but thanks chris - cool ;)
17:11 brendan    well gmcharlt we need to get in the practice of writting 3.03 now - I usually type the previous years date for the whole month of janurary
17:11 chris_n    too bad hudson can't test updatedatabase.pl
17:12 brendan    but usually that happens more doing odd years and even years I don't have the problem
17:12 mib_mike   So guys, any idea why borrowernumber would suddenly become undefined after an upgrade?
17:12 gmcharlt   chris_n: easy enough to write a test case, actually - just grep the version strings and squawk if a XXX one is left in
17:13 jcamins    Also, check that version numbers increase.
17:13 mib_mike   I'm also getting  Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 488.  which points to $param->{'offset'} being undefined.
17:14 jcamins    38060000035360
17:14 jcamins    Sorry, wrong window.
17:16 jcamins    mib_mike: are you using the OPACNotPublic patch?
17:16 mib_mike   I didn't intentionally apply an OPACNotPublic patch.
17:17 mib_mike   We want our opac to be public.
17:20 mib_mike   Interestingly enough, if I do a title search from my personal details page, I can see that my Patron Number is defined, but I still get the uniititialized borrowernumber error in the log.
17:21 mib_mike   I do get search results, though.
17:22 chris      pushed a fix
17:22 chris      for the xxx
17:23 jcamins    mib_mike: you would've had to do it intentionally. The reason I asked is that my line numbers match yours, and I have extra code from that patch.
17:23 jcamins    Apparently it doesn't change the line numbers.
17:23 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Updating version number and fixing the xxx in updatedatabase ... my bad <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47391d4e5a92a255adda80b59bd7fa5f7c516ba0>
17:26 jcamins    mib_mike: do you have cookies disabled?
17:26 mib_mike   jcamins: No my cookies are on.
17:26 mib_mike   By the way, it doesn't matter if I'm logged in or not.
17:26 jcamins    I'm out of ideas, then.
17:27 mib_mike   Also, some searches return results, others return 404 pages, but there doesn't seem to be a difference in the logs.
17:29 chris      sounds to me like you need to do a rebuild_zebra.pl with -r
17:29 mib_mike   Sorry, that's wrong.  Searches that end in 404's have log errors of uninitialized value $biblionumber
17:30 mib_mike   O.K. I'll rebuild zebra.
17:30 mib_mike   jcamins: how can I definitively know if the OPACNotPublic patch has been applied.
17:31 jcamins    mib_mike: if you didn't do it yourself after upgrading, and the upgrade worked, it's not applied.
17:32 jcamins    And I just checked the git online, and it looks like the lines balance out.
17:32 jcamins    So that's not the problem.
17:32 mib_mike   jcamins: O.K. Thanks guys. I'll see what rebuild does for me.
17:34 gmcharlt   chris: chris_n: just submitted a patch for that problem with the upgrade from 3.0.x reported on the mailng list
17:36 chris      ah yep, that looks like a good safe change, im gonna sign off on it and push it now, sooner we do, the less people will run into what martin has
17:36 chris      gmcharlt++
17:40 chris      chris_n: you probably want to cherry-pick that one, so it goes into 3.2.1
17:42 cait       hi #koha
17:43 chris      http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_4_November/
17:45 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4141: fix upgrade of OPAC XSLT parameters from 3.0.x <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be997f924e50ebbca16dbafff951ed6567362e1f>
17:47 chris_n    tnx gmcharlt, I didn't have time atm
17:47 chris_n    chris: will do in just a bit
17:48 chris      hi cait :)
17:48 cait       hi chris :)
17:48 cait       was tempted to write "good morning #koha"
17:49 chris      heh
17:51 brendan    morning cait
17:52 cait       morning brendan :)
18:15 chris_n    k, 3.2.x is fixed too
18:17 chris      cool
18:44 brendan    @wunder 93117
18:44 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (11:54 AM PDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
19:18 chris_n    @wunder 28334
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19:19 cait       @wunder Konstanz
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19:19 cait       @wunder wellington
19:19 munin      cait: Error: No such location could be found.
19:19 cait       @wunder wellington nz
19:19 munin      cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
19:24 chris_n    what an abuse of haiku :)
19:25 chris      you dont like them ? :-)
19:27 chris_n    oh, their fine... very fine
19:27 chris_n    some of the more classic examples I'd say ;-)
19:27 * cait     is confused
19:27 chris      hehe
19:27 chris_n    of what, I won't say :)
19:28 chris      http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_4_November/
19:28 chris      gotta make lists of patches fun somehow :)
19:29 * chris_n  thinks their hilarious and break up the monotony
19:29 chris_n    they're, even
19:32 jcamins    lol!
19:35 cait       hm
20:08 richard    hi
20:10 brendan    hi richard
20:10 richard    hiya brendan
20:10 walter     looks like logbot is still going
20:11 chris      not the katipo logbot, its a new one
20:11 chris      (well about 1.5 years old)
20:11 walter     ah
20:11 chris      http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today
20:11 walter     is the katipo one still to be restarted or has it been scrapped
20:12 * walter   will update the katipo documentation if it is to be scrapped
20:12 walter     richard, do you know?
20:13 richard    i don't know
20:13 richard    haven't seen it going
20:13 walter     yeah, doesn't look like it was running
20:15 chris      i dont think its been running for ages
20:15 chris      since 2007
20:15 walter     cool, i'll update the documentation, thanks
20:17 chris      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4306379/Clinton-arrives-in-New-ZealandCelia
20:17 chris      US secretary of state lands in nz, with stupid amounts of security
20:17 chris      mayor of wellington rides her bicycle to the airport to meet her
20:17 richard    i wonder who the Celia from the URL is
20:17 richard    ah
20:17 chris      :)
20:17 chris      The welcome party also included Wellington mayor Celia Wade-Brown, who arrived at the terminal at 4.55am on her bicycle.
20:18 chris      gotta love that :)
20:18 walter     i walked into town yesterday, she biked by
20:18 walter     yep
20:18 walter     very cool
20:22 jcamins    schuster: bringing up the R-acronym. Brave.
20:23 chris      lets form a committee on forming committees about forming committees
20:23 cait       aw
20:23 rhcl_away  meta-committee?
20:23 cait       can I be on the commitee to decide about this idea?
20:23 rhcl       is it common to use both carp and warn together?
20:23 chris      yes
20:24 rhcl       yes to cait or me?
20:24 jcamins    rhcl: Oy vey. If you don't drink your milk, you will develop sciatica.
20:24 jcamins    rhcl: so, yes.
20:24 chris      well cait needs to apply to the commitee for deciding who can apply to committees
20:25 chris      but yes to your mixing warn and carp
20:25 chris      its quite common
20:25 chris      they do the same thing, carp just usually has better messages
20:25 rhcl       so we need to warn cait about carp drinking milk?
20:25 * walter   wanders off
20:26 chris      we could make more use of cluck
20:26 chris      when developing
20:26 chris      which gives a nice stackbacktrace
20:26 cait       lol
20:27 chris      but either way, they should all be disabled in production
20:27 rhcl       I'm taking notes...
20:27 chris      carping because we hit an error is bad bad practice
20:27 rhcl       so what about croak?
20:27 chris      doing it during development so you can learn about the error and handle it is fine
20:28 chris      croak has its place, croaking becuase we cant get a database handle for instance
20:28 chris      thats a pretty fatal error
20:28 chris      but we should still trap that error and give the user a better error message
20:29 jcamins    cait: yay! I'm glad to hear you have your suitcase back.
20:29 rhcl       but it would be wrong to associate croak with an exception handler?
20:29 chris      nope
20:29 chris      you could do
20:29 rhcl       ...or think of croak as like an exception handler....
20:29 chris      eval { something that might croak }
20:29 chris      if ($@){
20:29 chris      handle the error nicely
20:29 chris      }
20:30 chris      yeah its not an execption handler, its throwing a fatal error, and giving the developer enough info to hopefully be able to fix the error
20:30 cait       jcamins: me too :) first load is in the washing machine now
20:33 jcamins    Time to close up.
20:33 jcamins    Good night, #koha
20:33 rhcl       night
20:39 schuster   OK you bullys...  I see my name and thoughts getting canned...  I can take it just wondering what we are going to do about it.  I don't know enough about it personally so a committee of one can handle it but it won't be me.
20:39 schuster   RDA - blah...
20:40 chris      im unlikely to invest any energy on it, until someone asks for it
20:41 schuster   I understand that but we need to figure out what we need to ask for don't we?
20:41 chris      yes, you do :)
20:41 brendan    heh chris - committees on committees  (I remember those days when I worked in a library - so many committees - but it a great excuse to get out of the office)
20:41 schuster   the problem is I don't know what to ask for so that was why I suggested a committee of smarter people than I come together to help figure it out.
20:41 chris      you need to decide what you want it to actually do, and describe that in terms a human can understand
20:42 chris      because RDA at the moment is like saying 'STUFF'
20:42 chris      someone needs to define what they actually want
20:43 schuster   Yep...  I was just going to say you want me to take that slide from Ian's presentation and send it to you?  That's stuff - so again a group of individuals figuring out what we want/need would be helpful.
20:43 chris      i was at ians presentation
20:44 chris      sure, but they can do that without forming a committee
20:44 schuster   This morning a thought I had about comments owen had a great suggestion that I hadn't thought about so I tried to put it into the wiki as an RFC - let's not talk about the trouble I had with that...
20:44 schuster   ok then call the "group" whatever you want to call it - I called it a committee.
20:45 chris      im not gonna call it anything :)
20:45 chris      when someone can describe what they want added, id be happy to code it
20:45 schuster   OK friends!  have a great day!  I'm off maybe to an american 5 year old football scrimmage!
20:45 schuster   American football that is...
20:52 brendan    so are there any foreigners (from kohacon) still in NZ?
20:52 chris      nate
20:53 chris      i think the engards leave today?
20:53 chris      lee
20:53 chris      is in christchurch
20:53 chris      and i think slef leaves today
20:57 brendan    ah biblibre's leave yet?
20:58 chris      yep
20:58 chris      this morning
20:59 chris      bbiab
21:38 brendan    Ah Nate's engaged!!!
21:38 brendan    Nate++
21:42 cait       grats Nate :)
21:42 brendan    yeah that's fun
22:02 mib_mike   Hi guys
22:03 mib_mike   I'm having trouble with zebra reindexing
22:03 mib_mike   It looks like I've got some bad marc in my database.
22:03 mib_mike   Is there an easy way to find out which records are choking my zebra?
22:07 robin      There's no nice way I've found.
22:07 robin      You might be able to get away with using -x to try using the XML stuff instead.
22:07 mib_mike   Thanks robin. I'll give that a try
22:07 robin      But zebra has a bad habit of exploding when it sees one dodgy record.
22:08 mib_mike   It's not the explosion that bothers me so much it's the not knowing why.
22:10 magnus     kia ora, #koha!
22:11 brendan    hey magnus
22:11 robin      I have done it by tracking down the record from the byte counts, but it was quite tricky and took a while.
22:12 magnus     hi brendan
22:13 robin      magnus: mōrena
22:13 magnus     hiya robin