Time Nick Message
22:13 magnus hiya robin
22:13 robin magnus: mÅrena
22:12 magnus hi brendan
22:11 robin I have done it by tracking down the record from the byte counts, but it was quite tricky and took a while.
22:11 brendan hey magnus
22:10 magnus kia ora, #koha!
22:08 mib_mike It's not the explosion that bothers me so much it's the not knowing why.
22:07 robin But zebra has a bad habit of exploding when it sees one dodgy record.
22:07 mib_mike Thanks robin. I'll give that a try
22:07 robin You might be able to get away with using -x to try using the XML stuff instead.
22:07 robin There's no nice way I've found.
22:03 mib_mike Is there an easy way to find out which records are choking my zebra?
22:03 mib_mike It looks like I've got some bad marc in my database.
22:03 mib_mike I'm having trouble with zebra reindexing
22:02 mib_mike Hi guys
21:42 brendan yeah that's fun
21:42 cait grats Nate :)
21:38 brendan Nate++
21:38 brendan Ah Nate's engaged!!!
20:59 chris bbiab
20:58 chris this morning
20:58 chris yep
20:57 brendan ah biblibre's leave yet?
20:53 chris and i think slef leaves today
20:53 chris is in christchurch
20:53 chris lee
20:53 chris i think the engards leave today?
20:52 chris nate
20:52 brendan so are there any foreigners (from kohacon) still in NZ?
20:45 schuster American football that is...
20:45 schuster OK friends! have a great day! I'm off maybe to an american 5 year old football scrimmage!
20:45 chris when someone can describe what they want added, id be happy to code it
20:45 chris im not gonna call it anything :)
20:44 schuster ok then call the "group" whatever you want to call it - I called it a committee.
20:44 schuster This morning a thought I had about comments owen had a great suggestion that I hadn't thought about so I tried to put it into the wiki as an RFC - let's not talk about the trouble I had with that...
20:44 chris sure, but they can do that without forming a committee
20:43 chris i was at ians presentation
20:43 schuster Yep... I was just going to say you want me to take that slide from Ian's presentation and send it to you? That's stuff - so again a group of individuals figuring out what we want/need would be helpful.
20:42 chris someone needs to define what they actually want
20:42 chris because RDA at the moment is like saying 'STUFF'
20:41 chris you need to decide what you want it to actually do, and describe that in terms a human can understand
20:41 schuster the problem is I don't know what to ask for so that was why I suggested a committee of smarter people than I come together to help figure it out.
20:41 brendan heh chris - committees on committees (I remember those days when I worked in a library - so many committees - but it a great excuse to get out of the office)
20:41 chris yes, you do :)
20:41 schuster I understand that but we need to figure out what we need to ask for don't we?
20:40 chris im unlikely to invest any energy on it, until someone asks for it
20:39 schuster RDA - blah...
20:39 schuster OK you bullys... I see my name and thoughts getting canned... I can take it just wondering what we are going to do about it. I don't know enough about it personally so a committee of one can handle it but it won't be me.
20:33 rhcl night
20:33 jcamins Good night, #koha
20:33 jcamins Time to close up.
20:30 cait jcamins: me too :) first load is in the washing machine now
20:30 chris yeah its not an execption handler, its throwing a fatal error, and giving the developer enough info to hopefully be able to fix the error
20:29 chris }
20:29 chris handle the error nicely
20:29 chris if ($@){
20:29 chris eval { something that might croak }
20:29 rhcl ...or think of croak as like an exception handler....
20:29 chris you could do
20:29 chris nope
20:29 rhcl but it would be wrong to associate croak with an exception handler?
20:29 jcamins cait: yay! I'm glad to hear you have your suitcase back.
20:28 chris but we should still trap that error and give the user a better error message
20:28 chris thats a pretty fatal error
20:28 chris croak has its place, croaking becuase we cant get a database handle for instance
20:27 chris doing it during development so you can learn about the error and handle it is fine
20:27 rhcl so what about croak?
20:27 chris carping because we hit an error is bad bad practice
20:27 rhcl I'm taking notes...
20:27 chris but either way, they should all be disabled in production
20:26 cait lol
20:26 chris which gives a nice stackbacktrace
20:26 chris when developing
20:26 chris we could make more use of cluck
20:25 * walter wanders off
20:25 rhcl so we need to warn cait about carp drinking milk?
20:25 chris they do the same thing, carp just usually has better messages
20:25 chris its quite common
20:25 chris but yes to your mixing warn and carp
20:24 chris well cait needs to apply to the commitee for deciding who can apply to committees
20:24 jcamins rhcl: so, yes.
20:24 jcamins rhcl: Oy vey. If you don't drink your milk, you will develop sciatica.
20:24 rhcl yes to cait or me?
20:23 chris yes
20:23 rhcl is it common to use both carp and warn together?
20:23 cait can I be on the commitee to decide about this idea?
20:23 rhcl_away meta-committee?
20:23 cait aw
20:23 chris lets form a committee on forming committees about forming committees
20:22 jcamins schuster: bringing up the R-acronym. Brave.
20:18 walter very cool
20:18 walter yep
20:18 walter i walked into town yesterday, she biked by
20:18 chris gotta love that :)
20:17 chris The welcome party also included Wellington mayor Celia Wade-Brown, who arrived at the terminal at 4.55am on her bicycle.
20:17 chris :)
20:17 richard ah
20:17 richard i wonder who the Celia from the URL is
20:17 chris mayor of wellington rides her bicycle to the airport to meet her
20:17 chris US secretary of state lands in nz, with stupid amounts of security
20:17 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4306379/Clinton-arrives-in-New-ZealandCelia
20:15 walter cool, i'll update the documentation, thanks
20:15 chris since 2007
20:15 chris i dont think its been running for ages
20:13 walter yeah, doesn't look like it was running
20:13 richard haven't seen it going
20:13 richard i don't know
20:12 walter richard, do you know?
20:12 * walter will update the katipo documentation if it is to be scrapped
20:11 walter is the katipo one still to be restarted or has it been scrapped
20:11 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today
20:11 walter ah
20:11 chris (well about 1.5 years old)
20:11 chris not the katipo logbot, its a new one
20:10 walter looks like logbot is still going
20:10 richard hiya brendan
20:10 brendan hi richard
20:08 richard hi
19:35 cait hm
19:32 jcamins lol!
19:29 chris_n they're, even
19:29 * chris_n thinks their hilarious and break up the monotony
19:28 chris gotta make lists of patches fun somehow :)
19:28 chris http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_4_November/
19:27 chris_n of what, I won't say :)
19:27 chris hehe
19:27 * cait is confused
19:27 chris_n some of the more classic examples I'd say ;-)
19:27 chris_n oh, their fine... very fine
19:25 chris you dont like them ? :-)
19:24 chris_n what an abuse of haiku :)
19:19 munin cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
19:19 cait @wunder wellington nz
19:19 munin cait: Error: No such location could be found.
19:19 cait @wunder wellington
19:19 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.2�C (8:34 PM CET on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Steady).
19:19 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:18 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 14.0�C (3:20 PM EDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
19:18 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:44 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (11:54 AM PDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
18:44 brendan @wunder 93117
18:17 chris cool
18:15 chris_n k, 3.2.x is fixed too
17:52 cait morning brendan :)
17:51 brendan morning cait
17:49 chris heh
17:48 cait was tempted to write "good morning #koha"
17:48 cait hi chris :)
17:48 chris hi cait :)
17:47 chris_n chris: will do in just a bit
17:47 chris_n tnx gmcharlt, I didn't have time atm
17:45 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4141: fix upgrade of OPAC XSLT parameters from 3.0.x <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be997f924e50ebbca16dbafff951ed6567362e1f>
17:43 chris http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_4_November/
17:42 cait hi #koha
17:40 chris chris_n: you probably want to cherry-pick that one, so it goes into 3.2.1
17:36 chris gmcharlt++
17:36 chris ah yep, that looks like a good safe change, im gonna sign off on it and push it now, sooner we do, the less people will run into what martin has
17:34 gmcharlt chris: chris_n: just submitted a patch for that problem with the upgrade from 3.0.x reported on the mailng list
17:32 mib_mike jcamins: O.K. Thanks guys. I'll see what rebuild does for me.
17:32 jcamins So that's not the problem.
17:32 jcamins And I just checked the git online, and it looks like the lines balance out.
17:31 jcamins mib_mike: if you didn't do it yourself after upgrading, and the upgrade worked, it's not applied.
17:30 mib_mike jcamins: how can I definitively know if the OPACNotPublic patch has been applied.
17:30 mib_mike O.K. I'll rebuild zebra.
17:29 mib_mike Sorry, that's wrong. Searches that end in 404's have log errors of uninitialized value $biblionumber
17:29 chris sounds to me like you need to do a rebuild_zebra.pl with -r
17:27 mib_mike Also, some searches return results, others return 404 pages, but there doesn't seem to be a difference in the logs.
17:26 jcamins I'm out of ideas, then.
17:26 mib_mike By the way, it doesn't matter if I'm logged in or not.
17:26 mib_mike jcamins: No my cookies are on.
17:26 jcamins mib_mike: do you have cookies disabled?
17:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Updating version number and fixing the xxx in updatedatabase ... my bad <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47391d4e5a92a255adda80b59bd7fa5f7c516ba0>
17:23 jcamins Apparently it doesn't change the line numbers.
17:23 jcamins mib_mike: you would've had to do it intentionally. The reason I asked is that my line numbers match yours, and I have extra code from that patch.
17:22 chris for the xxx
17:22 chris pushed a fix
17:21 mib_mike I do get search results, though.
17:20 mib_mike Interestingly enough, if I do a title search from my personal details page, I can see that my Patron Number is defined, but I still get the uniititialized borrowernumber error in the log.
17:17 mib_mike We want our opac to be public.
17:16 mib_mike I didn't intentionally apply an OPACNotPublic patch.
17:16 jcamins mib_mike: are you using the OPACNotPublic patch?
17:14 jcamins Sorry, wrong window.
17:14 jcamins 38060000035360
17:13 mib_mike I'm also getting Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 488. which points to $param->{'offset'} being undefined.
17:13 jcamins Also, check that version numbers increase.
17:12 gmcharlt chris_n: easy enough to write a test case, actually - just grep the version strings and squawk if a XXX one is left in
17:12 mib_mike So guys, any idea why borrowernumber would suddenly become undefined after an upgrade?
17:12 brendan but usually that happens more doing odd years and even years I don't have the problem
17:11 chris_n too bad hudson can't test updatedatabase.pl
17:11 brendan well gmcharlt we need to get in the practice of writting 3.03 now - I usually type the previous years date for the whole month of janurary
17:10 brendan cool I probably missed that at some point - but thanks chris - cool ;)
17:10 brendan ah right
17:10 gmcharlt brendan: chris did
17:10 gmcharlt brendan: btw, it should actually be 3.03.00...
17:10 brendan I like the addition of hudson - who did that?
17:09 chris_n now... to help that unwitting victim
17:08 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:08 chris_n @later tell chris this probably should be fixed http://tinyurl.com/2ct9foq :-)
17:08 * gmcharlt turns on the bat signal for chris
17:07 chris_n know, even
17:07 chris_n some are born for trouble you konw
17:07 chris_n hehe
17:06 gmcharlt and running HEAD?
17:06 chris_n a poor person on the list is having trouble
17:06 brendan gmcharlt has been typing 3.01 too much ;)
17:06 gmcharlt chris_n: so it does - I was kinda expecting that chris would set the version number - the 3.01.... is no doubt my goof, but leaving it at a XXX version is his :)
17:06 jcamins Also the XXX instead of a real number.
17:05 brendan heh - I think you mean the 1 vs. a 2
17:05 chris_n the db version breaks updatedatabase.pl i think
17:04 gmcharlt chris_n: not sure what you're driving at
17:03 chris_n gmcharlt:?
17:02 owen ?
17:02 jcamins Double ouch!
17:00 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=6443c67ca26ab9dbe14790bf01e98e469779490c;hb=HEAD#l3802
17:00 jcamins chris_n: what?
16:59 schuster I feel documentation coming on for that one.. maybe not today but in the near future!
16:59 chris_n ouch
16:58 schuster whew... That was harder than it should have been. - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PAC_Comments_RFC
16:58 mib_mike There were a lot more in the former than in the latter, so I assume I might have a problem there.
16:57 mib_mike I didn't have problems with modules. I installed all the cpan modules in "INSTALL.ubuntu" and then the modules in INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid
16:55 jcamins mib_mike: I don't know, but which modules did you have problems with?
16:49 mib_mike It's possible I've got a conflict between perl modules in the installer and newer cpan modules. Any idea how I can resolve it?
16:47 mib_mike I just upgraded to 3.2 and I'm getting this error: Use of uninitialized value $borrowernumber in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 485.
16:46 mib_mike Hi everybody
16:44 schuster Ok I think I found a way around what I was trying to do... I searched and then "created" when nothing came up that I liked.
16:38 schuster but then what?
16:36 schuster http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:RFCs_for3.4
16:36 schuster need another bone still feeling really dumb. so if I have an RFC for 3.4 I go to the page where all the RFC3.4's are
16:32 schuster guess when I figure this out I need to write it up and put it on the wiki!
16:29 schuster so go to the RFC3.4 page and create a link under say the C - for comments and fill it out and link it appropriately?
16:28 owen It's a weird quirk of wikis
16:28 jcamins You have to create a link to the page first.
16:28 jcamins schuster: that took me ages to figure out.
16:28 schuster Ok I'm feeling really dumb... I see how to add an enhancement - I've logged into the wiki, but can't for the life of me find how to add a page and link it to the RFC pages.
16:11 schuster our logins are our ID numbers so I would need to discuss this further locally but first name and last initial... hmmm.
16:10 schuster so on the form page another field would be nick or would that be on the borrower record?
16:10 owen Full name, First plus last initial, or opac login name were my ideas
16:09 gmcharlt or add a field for a patron nick?
16:09 schuster Hmmm hadn't gotten that far yet owen... another reason to write this up as an RFC and let people comment. I can see a syspref for - name display on comments - first, last, both, none or what were you thinking?
16:08 gmcharlt schuster: not presently, but would be another small change
16:07 owen I'm not very comfortable with showing the patron's name by default
16:07 owen I would like to add options for controlling how the patron's info is displayed by the comments.
16:05 schuster Thanks... perks my interest in how we can make the catalog more web 2.0 here and also use it as a curriculum tie in. Is there a way to delete a review after it has been accepted?
16:04 gmcharlt still not hard
16:04 gmcharlt yep, letting the moderator actually change the comment/review would be something new
16:04 schuster I'll go and put an RFC together on the Wiki for people to comment on and add thoughts/suggestions.
16:03 schuster Alpha bet soup...;)
16:03 schuster Just thinking out loud kind of RFC on the IRC... :)
16:03 schuster For a starter yes - but I also see that the "moderator" can't Modify a review either.
16:00 gmcharlt would that serve your need?
16:00 gmcharlt wouldn't be hard to add the ability to filter the list of reviews by library
15:58 schuster Yes.
15:52 gmcharlt schuster: the patrons' home library?
15:50 schuster Seeing an enhancement form in my head...
15:49 schuster to the librarian and then they would know to go in and "fix/review" the review before accepting it.
15:49 schuster Question about "reviews" in the opac - I know we can moderate them would it be hard to add the borrowers location that submitted it? With 67 schools I really don't want to be the moderator and would like to push them to the librarian. hmmm even to the point of when they click submit it looked at the library email address for the location and just emailed it
15:46 schuster yes thanks that's what I thought, but there are soooo many little texting things I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a good one!
15:38 * kf is feeling rather old today too - blaming the jetlag
15:38 gmcharlt is that what you mean?
15:38 gmcharlt "heh"? a laugh that is barely a laugh
15:37 schuster heyo - I'm feeling rather old today - and need a clarification what is "heh"
15:36 brendan morning all
15:35 gmcharlt heh
15:35 kf for wincing at hardcoded en-US :)
15:35 kf jcamins++
15:34 kf hm
15:32 gmcharlt but the basic approach suggested in the patch is workable
15:31 * jcamins winces
15:31 gmcharlt would need some cleaning up, as it currently hardcodes using the en-US dictionary
15:30 gmcharlt yes, it could be
15:29 schuster But could be an enhancement for 3.4?
15:29 schuster On the Harley page it talks about needing to add the Aspell dictionary and possibly a syspref for the number of responses. So I am to assume this hasn't been pulled into 3.2 yet.
15:28 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
15:28 schuster gmcharlt - question about bug 4240
14:31 Sussan bye kf and take care
14:21 Sussan os
14:21 Sussan Kf so are you using debian or ubuntu
14:21 Sussan basically some one in morning said me that one guy which comeonline on evening recently upgraded 3.2
14:20 Sussan hope for the best
14:19 Sussan yes
14:19 kf our first major upgrade will be from 3.01.61 to 3.2
14:19 kf but I am not sure how other libraries work here
14:18 kf we usually make a test upgrade first and later the production systems
14:18 kf do you have a test installation?
14:17 Sussan thats why i also became confuse and other thing do you think its better to upgrade version while we are in production environment just suggest me
14:15 Sussan reffereing any indian library which did change by theirself
14:15 Sussan no kf they just modified by himself
14:14 kf which library was he referring to?
14:14 kf I was not aware that koha before 3.0 had virtual keyboards
14:13 Sussan before koha version 3
14:12 Sussan kf but our admin approximately 15 minutes ago reffering library that using virtual keyboard i said that it wll be previous version because i know how to configure virtual key board in previous versions
14:11 Sussan thanks Kf
14:08 kf Sussan: koha has no feature for virtual keyboard yet, you have to do something yourself - that's why I offered to send you how I did it for our library
14:04 Sussan basically people generally face lot of problem when they upgrade
14:04 Sussan 2nd thing can i upgrade koha 3.0.6 to 3.2
14:03 Sussan so any code available any place
14:03 Sussan can i enable virtual keyboard in search option
14:02 owen Sussan: If you have a question you can ask it here
14:02 Sussan hi owen
13:59 owen Hi Sussan
13:56 Sussan any body at home
13:55 Sussan hello
13:27 kf preparing for presentations tomorrow and friday
13:27 kf still sorting through my mail
13:27 kf I feel a bit odd, but I am awake
13:26 kf hm
13:26 jcamins Are you at all awake?
13:26 jcamins kf: long time no talk!
13:25 kf hi jcamins :)
13:21 jcamins Won't T::T still require escaping?
13:15 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities
13:15 owen I wonder what will become of my work on Bug 3652 with the transition to template toolkit
13:09 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:09 gmcharlt when we move to HTML5 or XHTML5, we'll get it
13:08 gmcharlt but I'm not really sure what placeholder gets us all by itself
13:08 briceSanc ok :)
13:08 gmcharlt it's not a big deal
13:08 gmcharlt briceSanc: not like that. a bit of code in the translation system would have to be changed to recognize that the placeholder element needs to be picked up
13:07 briceSanc gmcharlt, my real question is: Is it possible to wrap terms in markers in order to force the translation ?
13:07 schuster I liked seeing that I was 27th in the chatty list... too bad I'm not 27 in the commit list :( not my strong point.
13:06 schuster snap! done. Thanks gmcharlt.
13:04 schuster Yes I also just found hdl so I will forward it to both of you.
13:04 gmcharlt schuster: could you forward me a copy of the message you got when you subcribed?
13:03 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
13:03 gmcharlt @later tell hdl <schuster> Who manages the koha-devel email list? I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited. It talks about koha.org all over the place. No wonder people are confused!
13:02 schuster Who manages the koha-devel email list? I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited. It talks about koha.org all over the place. No wonder people are confused!
13:02 briceSanc jquery plugin : jquery.placeholder.js
13:02 gmcharlt I agree that we should be planning on moving to HTML5, but it is still a bit of moving target
13:01 gmcharlt which has mostly been followed with the exception of allowing the autocomplete attribute
13:01 gmcharlt also, currently the convention is to have all Koha HTML be valid XHTML
13:00 gmcharlt what JS function? coming from where?
12:59 briceSanc i dont think, because if the browser doesn't support the html5 tag placeholder, a JS function emulate the tag behavior.
12:55 gmcharlt use of HTML5 in the templates is slightly premature
12:54 gmcharlt and for right now, just put the label outside of the <input> element
12:53 briceSanc http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html
12:53 gmcharlt for hint text
12:53 briceSanc placeholder is the new html5
12:53 gmcharlt owen: briceSanc: looks like an HTML5 construct
12:52 briceSanc Do you know how I can tell the script translation "Enter search keywords" is to translate?
12:52 owen What is "placeholder" ?
12:51 briceSanc In fact, i want to translate in french this portion of code : <input placeholder="Enter search keywords" type="text" name="q" />
12:49 briceSanc owen, ok. gmcharlt, ok too. kf, I use the latest Koha on Git.
12:48 kf but it's solved in 3.2, don't know about the 3.0.x releases
12:47 kf there was a problem with translation of submit buttons some time ago
12:47 gmcharlt also, note that the _("foo bar") construction should only be used for JavaScript embedded in the templates
12:47 kf briceSanc: which version of koha are u using?
12:47 gmcharlt right
12:47 owen That means that the "value" attribute of the input tag is being picked up by the translation script
12:46 owen briceSanc: I don't believe so, based on the fact that, for instance, the French template translation shows submit button labels in French.
12:45 briceSanc do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)" ?
12:45 briceSanc oops
12:45 briceSanc do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)2 ?
12:44 briceSanc Do you know if we can translate something in an input type="text" like a placeholder="words in english" ?
12:43 owen Hi briceSanc
12:41 briceSanc hello !
11:34 Sussan bye
11:27 kmkale bye all
10:35 kf irmaB: glad they found the suitcase, will be delivered today - very relieved now :)
10:34 kf have you looked at the catalog if this solution is interesting for you?
10:33 Sussan kf can you guide me
10:33 Sussan i am in sweeden irma
10:24 markk yesterday i was having problems with barcodes auto-increment not working in kohalivecd r5 http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/. jcamins and owen tried to help me but didn't find any solution. Just for the information, anyone who needs a fast access to Koha 3.2 with barcodes working, try KohaLiveCD r6 based on Ubuntu 10.10 and Koha 3.2.
10:22 irmaB Hoffetlich ist alles in deinem Koffer...Schade das Du dieses Problem hast :-(
10:20 kf Sussan: I have, but I want to rewrite it. You can look at it in the catalog of one of our libraries: hfjs.bsz-bw.de
10:19 kf irmaB: die Reise war gut - und heute kriege ich auch noch meinen koffer :)
10:19 kf irmaB: ja, entschuldige, bin wieder in der Arbeit und daher ein bisschen abgelenkt
10:19 markk good morning all
10:17 irmaB Sussan where in the world are you?
10:17 irmaB Chris Cormack will know but it's 11.30PM in New Zealand now so perhaps try again in 7 or 8 hours
10:16 irmaB not sure in Koha 3 but libraries in Pakistan have I think
10:15 Sussan especially in koha 3
10:15 Sussan irmaB here anyone implemented virtual keyboard before
10:13 irmaB Bist Du schon wieder an der Arbeit?
10:11 irmaB etc.
10:11 irmaB and had to stop myself from not speaking too much about how cool the conf. was and going to Levin
10:10 irmaB I am in Melbourne - did a Koha demo today
10:09 irmaB sooo nice to meet you in person in W'ton
10:08 irmaB hi Katrin how was the trip home?
10:04 kf hi Irma :)
09:45 chris subscribe first, or your message wont go through
09:45 chris http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
09:45 irmaB good luck.
09:44 irmaB here it is : koha@lists.katipo.co.nz.
09:39 Sussan can you tell me email id
09:39 irmaB perhaps try again later when more people are about or perhaps email the list ..
09:36 Sussan Its ok no problem
09:36 Sussan Basically i have implemented virtual keyboard in koha 2.9 but facing problem in koha 3.0.6
09:35 irmaB sorry I don't know the answer to your question ... maybe it's in the Koha manual?
09:35 Sussan Hi Irma
09:35 Sussan Hir
09:35 irmaB Hi Sussan
09:33 Sussan Goodmorning can anyone tell me how i can embed virtual keyboard in koha 3.0.6
09:31 irmaB anyone about?
09:30 irmaB I need help editing the koha wiki page "development"
09:29 irmaB Bonsoir :-)
09:10 chris hi again kf
09:05 kf good morning #koha
08:52 maragar pootle site lists the project, but I can't find any way to dl it
08:51 maragar I am trying to find finnish laguage files for koha, but just can't find a way to dl them.
08:49 maragar Hello
08:09 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug2567' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78a1f5827548d1abd20514945b4fee447dc7e28c>
07:39 ivanc hi #koha
07:34 Sussan lol
07:34 Sussan Anyone upgraded i am going to implement it so anyone moved forward before me to take this risk
07:26 Sussan Hey anyone upgraded from koha 3.0.0 to 3.2
07:22 cait have to go - bye :)
07:21 cait I am at home, heading to work
07:21 paul_p cait, thx. Where are you now ?
07:21 cait hdl & paul_p: have a good flight!
07:21 cait hdl: flight was good, but suitcase missing. hope they will find and bring it to me today
07:12 fedora bye every body thanks for your help
07:01 chris cool
07:00 paul_p (and gates closes at 8AM. take of at 8:40)
07:00 paul_p shuttle ordered at 6:30
07:00 paul_p chris, 8AM
06:59 chris paul_p: what time is your flight?
06:57 chris ahh :) it was my pleasure
06:56 paul_p chris, thanks for your hospitality & this conference !
06:55 chris hdl: thanks for ??
06:54 hdl fedora: use your mouse. and copy paste.
06:54 fedora bash: !greo: event not found (when i run this command such error occur)
06:54 hdl chris.... Thanks you again.
06:53 hdl hope you had a good flight back.
06:53 hdl hi cait.
06:51 chris fedora: ps auxf|grep zebra
06:51 chris hdl told you already
06:44 fedora backside
06:44 fedora with zebra server but confuse how i will know properly zebra running
06:44 fedora basically i installed koha 3.0.6 completely
06:44 fedora plz
06:44 fedora can you tell me
06:42 * cait waves
06:42 cait hi hdl
06:41 hdl or do ps auxf|grep zebra
06:40 hdl fedora: use yaz-client
06:37 fedora hello how are you can you tell me how i can confirm my zebra server running properly
06:35 fedora hello
06:31 cait so I hope they will call soon
06:30 cait but the tracking system's message is more positive now
06:30 cait not yet
06:29 chris heya cait, get your bag?
06:02 cait good morning #koha
05:09 kmkale Wish you all a very very happy Diwali!!
05:09 kmkale hi all
04:49 brendan_l man rest not reset (ok bedtime for me)
04:48 brendan_l ha - I think the reset of bywater decided too
04:46 robin they decided to stay here for good.
04:45 brendan_l so when do the biblibre people fly back home?
03:38 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5308' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5bdc1e9ab9465c618968eb32f2adbfeee56c445>
03:26 richard bob: i'm marking off which of those bugs are unique to the katipo site - for lianza
03:19 brendan ltfl++
03:19 brendan yup
03:19 jcamins Is that where "you might also enjoy" is coming from?
03:19 jcamins Oh, ltfl?
03:18 jcamins That's really nice.
03:18 jcamins Wow.
03:17 brendan got it in a testing server
03:17 brendan there you go --> http://67.23.28.20/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=112753
03:16 munin jcamins: Error: "find" is not a valid command.
03:16 jcamins munin: find Cronin's The Passage in a Koha catalog and provide a link.
03:16 brendan I should have that as a link to a koha catalog - but I'm lazy right now ;)
03:16 brendan alright time for me to head home and finish the passage by justin cronin ;)
03:13 brendan we'll all have to celebrate when chris passes kados for talking too much (errr.. maybe not enough)
03:12 brendan well let me tell you my life story ;)
03:12 jcamins brendan: looks like munin has said more than you.
03:11 munin brendan: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
03:11 brendan munin is right on my tail
03:10 chris there we go
03:10 brendan ah cool - I think I should not be as high anymore - I don't think I've been to chatty lately (as I chatter away) :)
03:05 chris they are 3 weeks old
03:05 chris lemme update them
03:05 * richard doesn't talk enought
03:05 chris and the logs only go back to 2003ish
03:05 chris kados used to talk a lot
02:58 jcamins Ah.
02:57 brendan gosh I'm typing like yoda tonight
02:56 brendan not the total
02:56 brendan I think it how many people have giving you karma
02:55 jcamins Why doesn't the karma match up with what munin says?
02:53 munin brendan: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
02:53 brendan brendan--
02:53 brendan that better is a bad slip
02:53 brendan s/better/beating
02:53 jcamins I like the "big numbers" section.
02:53 * brendan is still surprised that kados is better chris
02:52 jcamins Go figure.
02:52 jcamins I'm 22nd most talkative.
02:50 brendan jcamins this is fun to look at --> http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
02:49 cait thx :)
02:48 cait 3 hours until i have to get up
02:48 jcamins Good night.
02:48 jcamins Ick.
02:48 cait yep
02:48 cait talk to you tomorrow :)
02:48 jcamins Do you have work today?
02:48 brendan ah that's how it should be - sekjal and nengard should get the credit ;)
02:48 jcamins Good idea.
02:48 cait p
02:48 cait ok, I will try to get some more slee
02:48 munin brendan: Karma for "Nate" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
02:48 brendan @karma Nate
02:47 munin brendan: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 122 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 122.
02:47 brendan @karma nengard
02:47 munin brendan: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 38 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 37.
02:47 brendan @karma sekjal
02:47 munin jcamins: bywatersolutions has neutral karma.
02:47 jcamins @karma bywatersolutions
02:47 munin jcamins: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
02:47 jcamins @karma bywater
02:47 munin brendan: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 19 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 19.
02:47 brendan @karma brendan
02:46 cait lol
02:46 cait and there is a ba flight number that indicated it could already be in zürich!
02:46 jcamins Oh, phooey. I forgot to pick up my suit from the dry cleaner.
02:46 jcamins clothing++
02:46 jcamins Woohoo!
02:45 cait ITEM LOCATED, PENDING CONFIRMATION < suitcase found
02:45 cait you are catching up very fast :)
02:45 jcamins Yup.
02:45 cait being here for a longer time
02:45 jcamins That's a lot more. ;)
02:44 munin jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 31 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 31.
02:44 jcamins @karma kf
02:44 munin jcamins: Karma for "cait" has been increased 32 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 32.
02:44 jcamins @karma cait
02:44 jcamins Wow, that's a lot of karma.
02:44 cait :)
02:44 munin cait: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
02:44 cait @karma jcamins
02:44 jcamins I like the fact that - has negative karma. I guess lots of people have typed three dashes in a row.
02:44 cait :)
02:43 munin jcamins: Highest karma: "chris" (187), "gmcharlt" (176), and "owen" (170). Lowest karma: "<!" (-71), "failed" (-46), and "-" (-30). You (jcamins) are ranked 19 out of 1046.
02:43 jcamins @karma
02:43 jcamins Oh, that would make sense.
02:43 cait or we have to ask gmcharlt to adjust it
02:43 jcamins (yeah, I know it doesn't work)
02:43 cait this will get hard g
02:43 jcamins koha+=1000000000
02:42 cait koha++
02:42 cait koha++
02:42 cait koha++
02:42 munin cait: Karma for "koha" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
02:42 cait @karma koha
02:42 cait koha++++++
02:42 cait koha++
02:42 jcamins koha++
02:42 jcamins Eleven?
02:42 jcamins !?!
02:42 munin jcamins: Karma for "koha" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
02:42 jcamins @karma koha
02:42 jcamins koha++
02:42 cait yes, it really is. let's hope all the new features will find their way into 3.4 :)
02:41 cait koha++
02:41 jcamins cait1: that's very nice.
02:40 cait1 that's so cool - almost all things my librarians complained about during training are already sponsored
02:40 cait1 reading paul's acq rfc's
02:40 jcamins There have been some great patches pushed in the past few weeks.
02:39 jcamins brendan: sounds like it.
02:38 brendan need to rebase ;)
02:37 brendan yeah I saw in head that's been somewhat changed from what I was looking at
02:37 robin I did also change the koha to marc mapping setting to match
02:37 robin brendan: I just checked, and I have a 490$a and $v field showing up fine in the opac with and without XSLT. I'm running from just before the 3.2 release.
02:36 jcamins That's the same temperature it was this afternoon.
02:36 brendan i'd guess it's about 12 outside (that's cold for shorts and a t-shirt)
02:36 jcamins Actually, you're right.
02:36 brendan yeah I'm telling you weatherunderground is not reporting the correct temp
02:35 jcamins And I walked seventy blocks today.
02:35 jcamins That's exactly what I was thinking.
02:35 cait1 and brendan is complaining... ;)
02:35 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 7.6�C (10:45 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa (Steady).
02:35 jcamins @wunder 11105
02:35 munin cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.4�C (3:49 AM CET on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
02:35 cait1 @wunder Konstanz
02:35 brendan that's not right munin
02:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (7:45 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
02:34 brendan @wunder 93117
02:34 brendan man today disappeared and I've still got to ride my bike home - I'm going to freeze my *** off
02:34 cait1 i tried to stay up as long as possible, but fell asleep at 5.30 and now I am awake after 7 hours of sleep
02:34 jcamins Right.
02:34 jcamins Ah.
02:34 jcamins Isn't it... 5am?
02:34 cait1 jetlag
02:34 jcamins cait1: speaking of night, why are you awake?
02:33 jcamins Good night, chris_n
02:32 chris night chris_n
02:32 chris_n g'night #koha
02:26 * jcamins mostly just knows that it's going to be a disaster.
02:26 cait1 jcmains: I have really not much idea about rda yet
02:26 cait1 jcamins: ok, then she will probably know
02:19 * brendan is no authority on that though
02:19 brendan jcamins that's what I've been hearing
02:19 jcamins Isn't RDA going to be encoded in MARC, at least to start with?
02:18 cait1 jcamins: you don't need to bribe me, but not sure she will know about marc21
02:15 chris http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_3_November/
02:13 chris_n and role back, etc, etc, etc
02:13 chris_n git++ * 1000
02:13 jcamins Yeah, also the ability to add bugfixes if there's a serious problem.
02:12 jcamins Ah.
02:12 chris_n very smooth upgrading
02:12 chris_n exactly
02:11 jcamins You mean, using dev installs?
02:11 jcamins chris_n: what?
02:10 * chris_n sings the praises of running production over git
02:09 jcamins And probably bribe cait to ask her coworker who works on RDA to confirm that the series handling is the same.
02:08 jcamins First I need to write out what I think it should be doing, then find out if it does that.
02:07 chris signoff and send it up, and if it looks ok ill push it :)
02:05 jcamins But cait's patch is needed.
02:05 jcamins (applied to head... I was looking at it yesterday)
02:04 jcamins There was a patch by owen.
02:03 jcamins_a Ooh, are we talking about series tracings?
02:00 brendan yup I see that now
01:59 cait1 http://github.com/kfischer/Koha/commit/232a513a5f229ce27694d3f71cf7dc97bdbe7819
01:59 cait1 and I have a patch for readding it with (I hope) correct behaviour:
01:59 cait1 killing the indicator distinction
01:59 cait1 I think head should have a bugfix by owen
01:59 brendan what head has
01:59 brendan let me see
01:59 brendan I don't think I'm looking at head
01:58 cait1 are you looking at current head?
01:58 cait1 iirc the indicator indicates if it's traced or not
01:57 cait1 hm yes
01:56 brendan thoughts?
01:56 brendan not sure if we need that - it's not there for the [440] tag
01:55 brendan in the XSLT stylesheet - I'm seeing indacator info --> [@ind1=0]
01:55 brendan ok I think I see the issue - but I'm not sure will need to look at some more examples
01:51 brendan example - http://catalog.marlboro.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=11678
01:51 brendan it's in the code that it should be displaying - but it's not
01:50 brendan with XSLT on
01:50 brendan hmmm... anyone have a record in their opacs that has a the series information is in the 490 and not the 440 and that is displaying correctly
01:48 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/merge_help' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5145eb59b786bd2010eb324197034dd210504543>
01:38 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4991' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef087b000620b5c5d113a4cabe5b8c22c984b3f8> / bug 4991: follow-up tweaks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba35ce60e1cefbfa0cfbedaca218f46f2662310e> / Fix for Bug 4991, Overhaul of Calendar interface <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1117f6920ceccecc8
01:33 chris im just gonna merge the branch anyway, not reaplly the patches
01:33 chris for 4991
01:32 * chris_n only received 2/2 not 1/2 yet
01:31 chris_n is it me or is the list server slow tonight?
01:29 * cait1 gets hungry now
01:29 cait1 ;)
01:29 chris_n hehe
01:29 chris thats good enough for me, ill push it
01:29 cait1 I offer you a free cookie and you hav especial wishes?
01:29 chris_n just my favorite flavor cookie
01:29 chris i see its now been signed off twice :)
01:28 chris ahh its ok, i read the patches anyway
01:28 cait1 ?
01:28 chris_n a chocolate-mint cookie?
01:27 * cait1 gives chris_n a cookie
01:26 chris_n opps... forgot to add the signed off flag :-(
01:17 * chris_n tries to imagine the whole world on a single TZ
01:17 chris_n lol
01:15 cait yes, but employer would not be happy, I am going back to work today
01:15 cait hehe
01:13 robin surely it would be easier to just stick with NZ time from now on? :)
01:13 chris yes, its pretty early in the morning for you
01:13 cait bad = bed...
01:11 cait and I should not be awake now
01:11 cait but will check tomorrow ;)
01:10 cait saw not much sun here today
01:09 robin and now the sun moves across the sky in the wrong direction for you, which must be confusing.
01:08 cait was strange waking up in my own bad, took some time to realize where I am :)
01:06 chris hehe
01:06 * cait wants to be there too
01:05 cait aw
01:05 chris at wineries at the moment
01:05 chris yup
01:03 cait nicole and brian are still in nz?
00:56 cait wanted to look at the code there to make some changes fo rus
00:56 chris yay!
00:55 cait I think the unit tests 101 are all done now, will try to do some for overdues perhaps next
00:55 chris now 1711 tests being run
00:55 chris http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_Master/lastSuccessfulBuild/testReport/
00:55 cait ok :)
00:54 chris there was one that gmcharlt fixed, but the rest were fine
00:54 chris cait: yep, they ran fine
00:52 cait hi robin :)
00:52 robin hi cait!
00:51 cait were the test cases ok? saw that you pushed them
00:51 cait and it must have been more chocolate than I thought, my suitcase was lighter on my way back home :)
00:50 cait that's good
00:50 chris yes, very yummy
00:50 cait but hope you liked it
00:50 chris they had some :)
00:49 cait share with the kids! :)
00:48 chris i have eaten some of your chocolate, saving the rest for when i have a stressful day
00:47 cait missing nz
00:47 cait I even have a flight number now - trying to find out which flight it is
00:47 chris yay
00:47 cait and at least it seems they have found it
00:47 cait nah, could be worse
00:47 chris heya, glad you made it home, sorry to hear about the bag
00:47 cait hi chris :)
00:47 * cait waves
00:46 chris cait!!!
00:44 cait ok, I hope I will get it tomorrow, I am away for a presentation on thursday, will make it harder to get it delivered
00:42 cait hmpf.
00:42 cait my flight from london to zürich was delayed - they told us, we were waiting for the baggage to arrive and be loaded...
00:41 cait yeah
00:41 * chris_n thinks cheap rfid tags on baggage would help
00:41 * cait hopes for london or zürich, not sydney or wellington
00:41 cait perhaps they do know now where it is
00:41 * chris_n holds his breath
00:41 cait it says now: baggage located
00:41 cait checking the online tracking system
00:40 chris_n ouch, sorry :-(
00:40 cait oh
00:40 brendan that's not good at all
00:39 cait called them, they have no idea where it is
00:39 brendan oh bummer
00:39 cait nope
00:38 chris_n seen your bags yet?
00:38 cait hi chris_n
00:38 chris_n heya cait
00:36 brendan anybody know off the top of their heads - what is being passed for the syndectics enhanced content (is it the first ISBN in the record - or is it all of them)?
00:26 chris_n of course what we're missing here is the very cold night part
00:24 chris_n nothing like a fire on a very cold night with some hot chocolate and spiced cider, etc
00:24 chris_n heh :-)
00:23 brendan ah I can tell you live in the south ;)
00:23 chris_n hey brandan
00:22 brendan hiya chris_n
00:22 brendan ah I love fires
00:13 * chris_n burned the first fire of the season tonight
00:13 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.8�C (8:25 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising).
00:13 chris_n @wunder 28334
00:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
00:04 brendan @wunder wellington, nz
00:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 26.9�C (5:14 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
00:04 brendan @wunder 93117
00:03 ronald yes
00:02 wasabi you got home OK then...
00:02 wasabi hey ronald, mason here ;)