Time  Nick       Message
22:13 magnus     hiya robin
22:13 robin      magnus: mōrena
22:12 magnus     hi brendan
22:11 robin      I have done it by tracking down the record from the byte counts, but it was quite tricky and took a while.
22:11 brendan    hey magnus
22:10 magnus     kia ora, #koha!
22:08 mib_mike   It's not the explosion that bothers me so much it's the not knowing why.
22:07 robin      But zebra has a bad habit of exploding when it sees one dodgy record.
22:07 mib_mike   Thanks robin. I'll give that a try
22:07 robin      You might be able to get away with using -x to try using the XML stuff instead.
22:07 robin      There's no nice way I've found.
22:03 mib_mike   Is there an easy way to find out which records are choking my zebra?
22:03 mib_mike   It looks like I've got some bad marc in my database.
22:03 mib_mike   I'm having trouble with zebra reindexing
22:02 mib_mike   Hi guys
21:42 brendan    yeah that's fun
21:42 cait       grats Nate :)
21:38 brendan    Nate++
21:38 brendan    Ah Nate's engaged!!!
20:59 chris      bbiab
20:58 chris      this morning
20:58 chris      yep
20:57 brendan    ah biblibre's leave yet?
20:53 chris      and i think slef leaves today
20:53 chris      is in christchurch
20:53 chris      lee
20:53 chris      i think the engards leave today?
20:52 chris      nate
20:52 brendan    so are there any foreigners (from kohacon) still in NZ?
20:45 schuster   American football that is...
20:45 schuster   OK friends!  have a great day!  I'm off maybe to an american 5 year old football scrimmage!
20:45 chris      when someone can describe what they want added, id be happy to code it
20:45 chris      im not gonna call it anything :)
20:44 schuster   ok then call the "group" whatever you want to call it - I called it a committee.
20:44 schuster   This morning a thought I had about comments owen had a great suggestion that I hadn't thought about so I tried to put it into the wiki as an RFC - let's not talk about the trouble I had with that...
20:44 chris      sure, but they can do that without forming a committee
20:43 chris      i was at ians presentation
20:43 schuster   Yep...  I was just going to say you want me to take that slide from Ian's presentation and send it to you?  That's stuff - so again a group of individuals figuring out what we want/need would be helpful.
20:42 chris      someone needs to define what they actually want
20:42 chris      because RDA at the moment is like saying 'STUFF'
20:41 chris      you need to decide what you want it to actually do, and describe that in terms a human can understand
20:41 schuster   the problem is I don't know what to ask for so that was why I suggested a committee of smarter people than I come together to help figure it out.
20:41 brendan    heh chris - committees on committees  (I remember those days when I worked in a library - so many committees - but it a great excuse to get out of the office)
20:41 chris      yes, you do :)
20:41 schuster   I understand that but we need to figure out what we need to ask for don't we?
20:40 chris      im unlikely to invest any energy on it, until someone asks for it
20:39 schuster   RDA - blah...
20:39 schuster   OK you bullys...  I see my name and thoughts getting canned...  I can take it just wondering what we are going to do about it.  I don't know enough about it personally so a committee of one can handle it but it won't be me.
20:33 rhcl       night
20:33 jcamins    Good night, #koha
20:33 jcamins    Time to close up.
20:30 cait       jcamins: me too :) first load is in the washing machine now
20:30 chris      yeah its not an execption handler, its throwing a fatal error, and giving the developer enough info to hopefully be able to fix the error
20:29 chris      }
20:29 chris      handle the error nicely
20:29 chris      if ($@){
20:29 chris      eval { something that might croak }
20:29 rhcl       ...or think of croak as like an exception handler....
20:29 chris      you could do
20:29 chris      nope
20:29 rhcl       but it would be wrong to associate croak with an exception handler?
20:29 jcamins    cait: yay! I'm glad to hear you have your suitcase back.
20:28 chris      but we should still trap that error and give the user a better error message
20:28 chris      thats a pretty fatal error
20:28 chris      croak has its place, croaking becuase we cant get a database handle for instance
20:27 chris      doing it during development so you can learn about the error and handle it is fine
20:27 rhcl       so what about croak?
20:27 chris      carping because we hit an error is bad bad practice
20:27 rhcl       I'm taking notes...
20:27 chris      but either way, they should all be disabled in production
20:26 cait       lol
20:26 chris      which gives a nice stackbacktrace
20:26 chris      when developing
20:26 chris      we could make more use of cluck
20:25 * walter   wanders off
20:25 rhcl       so we need to warn cait about carp drinking milk?
20:25 chris      they do the same thing, carp just usually has better messages
20:25 chris      its quite common
20:25 chris      but yes to your mixing warn and carp
20:24 chris      well cait needs to apply to the commitee for deciding who can apply to committees
20:24 jcamins    rhcl: so, yes.
20:24 jcamins    rhcl: Oy vey. If you don't drink your milk, you will develop sciatica.
20:24 rhcl       yes to cait or me?
20:23 chris      yes
20:23 rhcl       is it common to use both carp and warn together?
20:23 cait       can I be on the commitee to decide about this idea?
20:23 rhcl_away  meta-committee?
20:23 cait       aw
20:23 chris      lets form a committee on forming committees about forming committees
20:22 jcamins    schuster: bringing up the R-acronym. Brave.
20:18 walter     very cool
20:18 walter     yep
20:18 walter     i walked into town yesterday, she biked by
20:18 chris      gotta love that :)
20:17 chris      The welcome party also included Wellington mayor Celia Wade-Brown, who arrived at the terminal at 4.55am on her bicycle.
20:17 chris      :)
20:17 richard    ah
20:17 richard    i wonder who the Celia from the URL is
20:17 chris      mayor of wellington rides her bicycle to the airport to meet her
20:17 chris      US secretary of state lands in nz, with stupid amounts of security
20:17 chris      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4306379/Clinton-arrives-in-New-ZealandCelia
20:15 walter     cool, i'll update the documentation, thanks
20:15 chris      since 2007
20:15 chris      i dont think its been running for ages
20:13 walter     yeah, doesn't look like it was running
20:13 richard    haven't seen it going
20:13 richard    i don't know
20:12 walter     richard, do you know?
20:12 * walter   will update the katipo documentation if it is to be scrapped
20:11 walter     is the katipo one still to be restarted or has it been scrapped
20:11 chris      http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today
20:11 walter     ah
20:11 chris      (well about 1.5 years old)
20:11 chris      not the katipo logbot, its a new one
20:10 walter     looks like logbot is still going
20:10 richard    hiya brendan
20:10 brendan    hi richard
20:08 richard    hi
19:35 cait       hm
19:32 jcamins    lol!
19:29 chris_n    they're, even
19:29 * chris_n  thinks their hilarious and break up the monotony
19:28 chris      gotta make lists of patches fun somehow :)
19:28 chris      http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_4_November/
19:27 chris_n    of what, I won't say :)
19:27 chris      hehe
19:27 * cait     is confused
19:27 chris_n    some of the more classic examples I'd say ;-)
19:27 chris_n    oh, their fine... very fine
19:25 chris      you dont like them ? :-)
19:24 chris_n    what an abuse of haiku :)
19:19 munin      cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 04, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
19:19 cait       @wunder wellington nz
19:19 munin      cait: Error: No such location could be found.
19:19 cait       @wunder wellington
19:19 munin      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.2�C (8:34 PM CET on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Steady).
19:19 cait       @wunder Konstanz
19:18 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 14.0�C (3:20 PM EDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
19:18 chris_n    @wunder 28334
18:44 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (11:54 AM PDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
18:44 brendan    @wunder 93117
18:17 chris      cool
18:15 chris_n    k, 3.2.x is fixed too
17:52 cait       morning brendan :)
17:51 brendan    morning cait
17:49 chris      heh
17:48 cait       was tempted to write "good morning #koha"
17:48 cait       hi chris :)
17:48 chris      hi cait :)
17:47 chris_n    chris: will do in just a bit
17:47 chris_n    tnx gmcharlt, I didn't have time atm
17:45 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4141: fix upgrade of OPAC XSLT parameters from 3.0.x <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be997f924e50ebbca16dbafff951ed6567362e1f>
17:43 chris      http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_4_November/
17:42 cait       hi #koha
17:40 chris      chris_n: you probably want to cherry-pick that one, so it goes into 3.2.1
17:36 chris      gmcharlt++
17:36 chris      ah yep, that looks like a good safe change, im gonna sign off on it and push it now, sooner we do, the less people will run into what martin has
17:34 gmcharlt   chris: chris_n: just submitted a patch for that problem with the upgrade from 3.0.x reported on the mailng list
17:32 mib_mike   jcamins: O.K. Thanks guys. I'll see what rebuild does for me.
17:32 jcamins    So that's not the problem.
17:32 jcamins    And I just checked the git online, and it looks like the lines balance out.
17:31 jcamins    mib_mike: if you didn't do it yourself after upgrading, and the upgrade worked, it's not applied.
17:30 mib_mike   jcamins: how can I definitively know if the OPACNotPublic patch has been applied.
17:30 mib_mike   O.K. I'll rebuild zebra.
17:29 mib_mike   Sorry, that's wrong.  Searches that end in 404's have log errors of uninitialized value $biblionumber
17:29 chris      sounds to me like you need to do a rebuild_zebra.pl with -r
17:27 mib_mike   Also, some searches return results, others return 404 pages, but there doesn't seem to be a difference in the logs.
17:26 jcamins    I'm out of ideas, then.
17:26 mib_mike   By the way, it doesn't matter if I'm logged in or not.
17:26 mib_mike   jcamins: No my cookies are on.
17:26 jcamins    mib_mike: do you have cookies disabled?
17:23 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Updating version number and fixing the xxx in updatedatabase ... my bad <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47391d4e5a92a255adda80b59bd7fa5f7c516ba0>
17:23 jcamins    Apparently it doesn't change the line numbers.
17:23 jcamins    mib_mike: you would've had to do it intentionally. The reason I asked is that my line numbers match yours, and I have extra code from that patch.
17:22 chris      for the xxx
17:22 chris      pushed a fix
17:21 mib_mike   I do get search results, though.
17:20 mib_mike   Interestingly enough, if I do a title search from my personal details page, I can see that my Patron Number is defined, but I still get the uniititialized borrowernumber error in the log.
17:17 mib_mike   We want our opac to be public.
17:16 mib_mike   I didn't intentionally apply an OPACNotPublic patch.
17:16 jcamins    mib_mike: are you using the OPACNotPublic patch?
17:14 jcamins    Sorry, wrong window.
17:14 jcamins    38060000035360
17:13 mib_mike   I'm also getting  Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 488.  which points to $param->{'offset'} being undefined.
17:13 jcamins    Also, check that version numbers increase.
17:12 gmcharlt   chris_n: easy enough to write a test case, actually - just grep the version strings and squawk if a XXX one is left in
17:12 mib_mike   So guys, any idea why borrowernumber would suddenly become undefined after an upgrade?
17:12 brendan    but usually that happens more doing odd years and even years I don't have the problem
17:11 chris_n    too bad hudson can't test updatedatabase.pl
17:11 brendan    well gmcharlt we need to get in the practice of writting 3.03 now - I usually type the previous years date for the whole month of janurary
17:10 brendan    cool I probably missed that at some point - but thanks chris - cool ;)
17:10 brendan    ah right
17:10 gmcharlt   brendan: chris did
17:10 gmcharlt   brendan: btw, it should actually be 3.03.00...
17:10 brendan    I like the addition of hudson - who did that?
17:09 chris_n    now... to help that unwitting victim
17:08 munin      chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:08 chris_n    @later tell chris this probably should be fixed http://tinyurl.com/2ct9foq :-)
17:08 * gmcharlt turns on the bat signal for chris
17:07 chris_n    know, even
17:07 chris_n    some are born for trouble you konw
17:07 chris_n    hehe
17:06 gmcharlt   and running HEAD?
17:06 chris_n    a poor person on the list is having trouble
17:06 brendan    gmcharlt has been typing 3.01 too much ;)
17:06 gmcharlt   chris_n: so it does - I was kinda expecting that chris would set the version number - the 3.01.... is no doubt my goof, but leaving it at a XXX version is his :)
17:06 jcamins    Also the XXX instead of a real number.
17:05 brendan    heh - I think you mean the 1 vs. a 2
17:05 chris_n    the db version breaks updatedatabase.pl i think
17:04 gmcharlt   chris_n: not sure what you're driving at
17:03 chris_n    gmcharlt:?
17:02 owen       ?
17:02 jcamins    Double ouch!
17:00 chris_n    http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=6443c67ca26ab9dbe14790bf01e98e469779490c;hb=HEAD#l3802
17:00 jcamins    chris_n: what?
16:59 schuster   I feel documentation coming on for that one..  maybe not today but in the near future!
16:59 chris_n    ouch
16:58 schuster   whew... That was harder than it should have been.  - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PAC_Comments_RFC
16:58 mib_mike   There were a lot more in the former than in the latter, so I assume I might have a problem there.
16:57 mib_mike   I didn't have problems with modules.  I installed all the cpan modules in "INSTALL.ubuntu" and then the modules in INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid
16:55 jcamins    mib_mike: I don't know, but which modules did you have problems with?
16:49 mib_mike   It's possible I've got a conflict between perl modules in the installer and newer cpan modules.  Any idea how I can resolve it?
16:47 mib_mike   I just upgraded to 3.2 and I'm getting this error:  Use of uninitialized value $borrowernumber in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 485.
16:46 mib_mike   Hi everybody
16:44 schuster   Ok I think I found a way around what I was trying to do...  I searched and then "created" when nothing came up that I liked.
16:38 schuster   but then what?
16:36 schuster   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:RFCs_for3.4
16:36 schuster   need another bone still feeling really dumb.  so if I have an RFC for 3.4 I go to the page where all the RFC3.4's are
16:32 schuster   guess when I figure this out I need to write it up and put it on the wiki!
16:29 schuster   so go to the RFC3.4 page and create  a link under say the C - for comments and fill it out and link it appropriately?
16:28 owen       It's a weird quirk of wikis
16:28 jcamins    You have to create a link to the page first.
16:28 jcamins    schuster: that took me ages to figure out.
16:28 schuster   Ok I'm feeling really dumb...  I see how to add an enhancement - I've logged into the wiki, but can't for the life of me find how to add a page and link it to the RFC pages.
16:11 schuster   our logins are our ID numbers so I would need to discuss this further locally but first name and last initial... hmmm.
16:10 schuster   so on the form page another field would be nick or would that be on the borrower record?
16:10 owen       Full name, First plus last initial, or opac login name were my ideas
16:09 gmcharlt   or add a field for a patron nick?
16:09 schuster   Hmmm hadn't gotten that far yet owen...  another reason to write this up as an RFC and let people comment.  I can see a syspref for - name display on comments - first, last, both, none or what were you thinking?
16:08 gmcharlt   schuster: not presently, but would be another small change
16:07 owen       I'm not very comfortable with showing the patron's name by default
16:07 owen       I would like to add options for controlling how the patron's info is displayed by the comments.
16:05 schuster   Thanks...  perks my interest in how we can make the catalog more web 2.0 here and also use it as a curriculum tie in.  Is there a way to delete a review after it has been accepted?
16:04 gmcharlt   still not hard
16:04 gmcharlt   yep, letting the moderator actually change the comment/review would be something new
16:04 schuster   I'll go and put an RFC together on the Wiki for people to comment on and add thoughts/suggestions.
16:03 schuster   Alpha bet soup...;)
16:03 schuster   Just thinking out loud kind of RFC on the IRC... :)
16:03 schuster   For a starter yes - but I also see that the "moderator" can't Modify a review either.
16:00 gmcharlt   would that serve your need?
16:00 gmcharlt   wouldn't be hard to add the ability to filter the list of reviews by library
15:58 schuster   Yes.
15:52 gmcharlt   schuster: the patrons' home library?
15:50 schuster   Seeing an enhancement form in my head...
15:49 schuster   to the librarian and then they would know to go in and "fix/review" the review before accepting it.
15:49 schuster   Question about "reviews" in the opac - I know we can moderate them would it be hard to add the borrowers location that submitted it?  With 67 schools I really don't want to be the moderator and would like to push them to the librarian.  hmmm even to the point of when they click submit it looked at the library email address for the location and just emailed it
15:46 schuster   yes thanks that's what I thought, but there are soooo many little texting things I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a good one!
15:38 * kf       is feeling rather old today too - blaming the jetlag
15:38 gmcharlt   is that what you mean?
15:38 gmcharlt   "heh"?  a laugh that is barely a laugh
15:37 schuster   heyo - I'm feeling rather old today - and need a clarification what is "heh"
15:36 brendan    morning all
15:35 gmcharlt   heh
15:35 kf         for wincing at hardcoded en-US :)
15:35 kf         jcamins++
15:34 kf         hm
15:32 gmcharlt   but the basic approach suggested in the patch is workable
15:31 * jcamins  winces
15:31 gmcharlt   would need some cleaning up, as it currently hardcodes using the en-US dictionary
15:30 gmcharlt   yes, it could be
15:29 schuster   But could be an enhancement for 3.4?
15:29 schuster   On the Harley page it talks about needing to add the Aspell dictionary and possibly a syspref for the number of responses.  So I am to assume this hasn't been pulled into 3.2 yet.
15:28 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
15:28 schuster   gmcharlt - question about bug 4240
14:31 Sussan     bye kf and take care
14:21 Sussan     os
14:21 Sussan     Kf so are you using debian or ubuntu
14:21 Sussan     basically some one in morning said me that one guy which comeonline on evening recently upgraded 3.2
14:20 Sussan     hope for the best
14:19 Sussan     yes
14:19 kf         our first major upgrade will be from 3.01.61 to 3.2
14:19 kf         but I am not sure how other libraries work here
14:18 kf         we usually make a test upgrade first and later the production systems
14:18 kf         do you have a test installation?
14:17 Sussan     thats why i also became confuse and other thing do you think its better to upgrade version while we are in production environment just suggest me
14:15 Sussan     reffereing any indian library which did change by theirself
14:15 Sussan     no kf they just modified by himself
14:14 kf         which library was he referring to?
14:14 kf         I was not aware that koha before 3.0 had virtual keyboards
14:13 Sussan     before koha version 3
14:12 Sussan     kf but our admin approximately 15 minutes ago reffering library that using virtual keyboard i said that it wll be previous version because i know how to configure virtual key board in previous versions
14:11 Sussan     thanks Kf
14:08 kf         Sussan: koha has no feature for virtual keyboard yet, you have to do something yourself - that's why I offered to send you how I did it for our library
14:04 Sussan     basically people generally face lot of problem when they upgrade
14:04 Sussan     2nd thing can i upgrade koha 3.0.6 to 3.2
14:03 Sussan     so any code available any place
14:03 Sussan     can i enable virtual keyboard in search option
14:02 owen       Sussan: If you have a question you can ask it here
14:02 Sussan     hi owen
13:59 owen       Hi Sussan
13:56 Sussan     any body at home
13:55 Sussan     hello
13:27 kf         preparing for presentations tomorrow and friday
13:27 kf         still sorting through my mail
13:27 kf         I feel a bit odd, but I am awake
13:26 kf         hm
13:26 jcamins    Are you at all awake?
13:26 jcamins    kf: long time no talk!
13:25 kf         hi jcamins :)
13:21 jcamins    Won't T::T still require escaping?
13:15 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, XSS vulnerabilities
13:15 owen       I wonder what will become of my work on Bug 3652 with the transition to template toolkit
13:09 jcamins    Good morning, #koha
13:09 gmcharlt   when we move to HTML5 or XHTML5, we'll get it
13:08 gmcharlt   but I'm not really sure what placeholder gets us all by itself
13:08 briceSanc  ok :)
13:08 gmcharlt   it's not a big deal
13:08 gmcharlt   briceSanc: not like that.  a bit of code in the translation system would have to be changed to recognize that the placeholder element needs to be picked up
13:07 briceSanc  gmcharlt, my real question is: Is it possible to wrap terms in markers in order to force the translation ?
13:07 schuster   I liked seeing that I was 27th in the chatty list...  too bad I'm not 27 in the commit list :(  not my strong point.
13:06 schuster   snap!  done.  Thanks gmcharlt.
13:04 schuster   Yes I also just found hdl so I will forward it to both of you.
13:04 gmcharlt   schuster: could you forward me a copy of the message you got when you subcribed?
13:03 munin      gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
13:03 gmcharlt   @later tell hdl <schuster> Who manages the koha-devel email list?  I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited.  It talks about koha.org all over the place.  No wonder people are confused!
13:02 schuster   Who manages the koha-devel email list?  I just "resubscribed" with a different email and some things need to be edited.  It talks about koha.org all over the place.  No wonder people are confused!
13:02 briceSanc  jquery plugin : jquery.placeholder.js
13:02 gmcharlt   I agree that we should be planning on moving to HTML5, but it is still a bit of moving target
13:01 gmcharlt   which has mostly been followed with the exception of allowing the autocomplete attribute
13:01 gmcharlt   also, currently the convention is to have all Koha HTML be valid XHTML
13:00 gmcharlt   what JS function?  coming from where?
12:59 briceSanc  i dont think, because if the browser doesn't support the html5 tag placeholder, a JS function emulate the tag behavior.
12:55 gmcharlt   use of HTML5 in the templates is slightly premature
12:54 gmcharlt   and for right now, just put the label outside of the <input> element
12:53 briceSanc  http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html
12:53 gmcharlt   for hint text
12:53 briceSanc  placeholder is the new html5
12:53 gmcharlt   owen: briceSanc: looks like an HTML5 construct
12:52 briceSanc  Do you know how I can tell the script translation "Enter search keywords" is to translate?
12:52 owen       What is "placeholder" ?
12:51 briceSanc  In fact, i want to translate in french this portion of code : <input placeholder="Enter search keywords" type="text" name="q" />
12:49 briceSanc  owen, ok. gmcharlt, ok too. kf, I use the latest Koha on Git.
12:48 kf         but it's solved in 3.2, don't know about the 3.0.x releases
12:47 kf         there was a problem with translation of submit buttons some time ago
12:47 gmcharlt   also, note that the _("foo bar") construction should only be used for JavaScript embedded in the templates
12:47 kf         briceSanc: which version of koha are u using?
12:47 gmcharlt   right
12:47 owen       That means that the "value" attribute of the input tag is being picked up by the translation script
12:46 owen       briceSanc: I don't believe so, based on the fact that, for instance, the French template translation shows submit button labels in French.
12:45 briceSanc  do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)" ?
12:45 briceSanc  oops
12:45 briceSanc  do i need to add placeholder="_(words in english)2 ?
12:44 briceSanc  Do you know if we can translate something in an input type="text" like a placeholder="words in english" ?
12:43 owen       Hi briceSanc
12:41 briceSanc  hello !
11:34 Sussan     bye
11:27 kmkale     bye all
10:35 kf         irmaB: glad they found the suitcase, will be delivered today - very relieved now :)
10:34 kf         have you looked at the catalog if this solution is interesting for you?
10:33 Sussan     kf can you guide me
10:33 Sussan     i am in sweeden irma
10:24 markk      yesterday i was having problems with barcodes auto-increment not working in kohalivecd r5 http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/. jcamins and owen tried to help me but didn't find any solution. Just for the information, anyone who needs a fast access to Koha 3.2 with barcodes working, try KohaLiveCD r6 based on Ubuntu 10.10 and Koha 3.2.
10:22 irmaB      Hoffetlich ist alles in deinem Koffer...Schade das Du dieses Problem hast :-(
10:20 kf         Sussan: I have, but I want to rewrite it. You can look at it in the catalog of one of our libraries: hfjs.bsz-bw.de
10:19 kf         irmaB: die Reise war gut - und heute kriege ich auch noch meinen koffer :)
10:19 kf         irmaB: ja, entschuldige, bin wieder in der Arbeit und daher ein bisschen abgelenkt
10:19 markk      good morning all
10:17 irmaB      Sussan where in the world are you?
10:17 irmaB      Chris Cormack will know but it's 11.30PM in New Zealand now so perhaps try again in 7 or 8 hours
10:16 irmaB      not sure in Koha 3 but libraries in Pakistan have I think
10:15 Sussan     especially in koha 3
10:15 Sussan     irmaB here anyone implemented virtual keyboard before
10:13 irmaB      Bist Du schon wieder an der Arbeit?
10:11 irmaB      etc.
10:11 irmaB      and had to stop myself from not speaking too much about how cool the conf. was and going to Levin
10:10 irmaB      I am in Melbourne - did a Koha demo today
10:09 irmaB      sooo nice to meet you in person in W'ton
10:08 irmaB      hi Katrin how was the trip home?
10:04 kf         hi Irma :)
09:45 chris      subscribe first, or your message wont go through
09:45 chris      http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
09:45 irmaB      good luck.
09:44 irmaB      here it is : koha@lists.katipo.co.nz.
09:39 Sussan     can you tell me email id
09:39 irmaB      perhaps try again later when more people are about or perhaps email the list ..
09:36 Sussan     Its ok no problem
09:36 Sussan     Basically i have implemented virtual keyboard in koha 2.9 but facing problem in koha 3.0.6
09:35 irmaB      sorry I don't know the answer to your question ... maybe it's in the Koha manual?
09:35 Sussan     Hi Irma
09:35 Sussan     Hir
09:35 irmaB      Hi Sussan
09:33 Sussan     Goodmorning can anyone tell me how i can embed virtual keyboard in koha 3.0.6
09:31 irmaB      anyone about?
09:30 irmaB      I need help editing the koha wiki page "development"
09:29 irmaB      Bonsoir :-)
09:10 chris      hi again kf
09:05 kf         good morning #koha
08:52 maragar    pootle site lists the project, but I can't find any way to dl it
08:51 maragar    I am trying to find finnish laguage files for koha, but just can't find a way to dl them.
08:49 maragar    Hello
08:09 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug2567' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78a1f5827548d1abd20514945b4fee447dc7e28c>
07:39 ivanc      hi #koha
07:34 Sussan     lol
07:34 Sussan     Anyone upgraded i am going to implement it so anyone moved forward before me to take this risk
07:26 Sussan     Hey anyone upgraded from koha 3.0.0 to 3.2
07:22 cait       have to go - bye :)
07:21 cait       I am at home, heading to work
07:21 paul_p     cait, thx. Where are you now ?
07:21 cait       hdl & paul_p: have a good flight!
07:21 cait       hdl: flight was good, but suitcase missing. hope they will find and bring it to me today
07:12 fedora     bye every body thanks for your help
07:01 chris      cool
07:00 paul_p     (and gates closes at 8AM. take of at 8:40)
07:00 paul_p     shuttle ordered at 6:30
07:00 paul_p     chris, 8AM
06:59 chris      paul_p: what time is your flight?
06:57 chris      ahh :) it was my pleasure
06:56 paul_p     chris, thanks for your hospitality & this conference !
06:55 chris      hdl: thanks for ??
06:54 hdl        fedora: use your mouse. and copy paste.
06:54 fedora     bash: !greo: event not found (when i run this command such error occur)
06:54 hdl        chris.... Thanks you again.
06:53 hdl        hope you had a good flight back.
06:53 hdl        hi cait.
06:51 chris      fedora: ps auxf|grep zebra
06:51 chris      hdl told you already
06:44 fedora     backside
06:44 fedora     with zebra server but confuse how i will know properly zebra running
06:44 fedora     basically i installed  koha 3.0.6 completely
06:44 fedora     plz
06:44 fedora     can you tell me
06:42 * cait     waves
06:42 cait       hi hdl
06:41 hdl        or do ps auxf|grep zebra
06:40 hdl        fedora: use yaz-client
06:37 fedora     hello how are you can you tell me how i can confirm my zebra server running properly
06:35 fedora     hello
06:31 cait       so I hope they will call soon
06:30 cait       but the tracking system's message is more positive now
06:30 cait       not yet
06:29 chris      heya cait, get your bag?
06:02 cait       good morning #koha
05:09 kmkale     Wish you all a very very happy Diwali!!
05:09 kmkale     hi all
04:49 brendan_l  man rest not reset (ok bedtime for me)
04:48 brendan_l  ha - I think the reset of bywater decided too
04:46 robin      they decided to stay here for good.
04:45 brendan_l  so when do the biblibre people fly back home?
03:38 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5308' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5bdc1e9ab9465c618968eb32f2adbfeee56c445>
03:26 richard    bob: i'm marking off which of those bugs are unique to the katipo site - for lianza
03:19 brendan    ltfl++
03:19 brendan    yup
03:19 jcamins    Is that where "you might also enjoy" is coming from?
03:19 jcamins    Oh, ltfl?
03:18 jcamins    That's really nice.
03:18 jcamins    Wow.
03:17 brendan    got it in a testing server
03:17 brendan    there you go -->
03:16 munin      jcamins: Error: "find" is not a valid command.
03:16 jcamins    munin: find Cronin's The Passage in a Koha catalog and provide a link.
03:16 brendan    I should have that as a link to a koha catalog - but I'm lazy right now ;)
03:16 brendan    alright time for me to head home and finish the passage by justin cronin ;)
03:13 brendan    we'll all have to celebrate when chris passes kados for talking too much (errr..  maybe not enough)
03:12 brendan    well let me tell you my life story ;)
03:12 jcamins    brendan: looks like munin has said more than you.
03:11 munin      brendan: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
03:11 brendan    munin is right on my tail
03:10 chris      there we go
03:10 brendan    ah cool - I think I should not be as high anymore - I don't think I've been to chatty lately (as I chatter away) :)
03:05 chris      they are 3 weeks old
03:05 chris      lemme update them
03:05 * richard  doesn't talk enought
03:05 chris      and the logs only go back to 2003ish
03:05 chris      kados used to talk a lot
02:58 jcamins    Ah.
02:57 brendan    gosh I'm typing like yoda tonight
02:56 brendan    not the total
02:56 brendan    I think it how many people have giving you karma
02:55 jcamins    Why doesn't the karma match up with what munin says?
02:53 munin      brendan: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
02:53 brendan    brendan--
02:53 brendan    that better is a bad slip
02:53 brendan    s/better/beating
02:53 jcamins    I like the "big numbers" section.
02:53 * brendan  is still surprised that kados is better chris
02:52 jcamins    Go figure.
02:52 jcamins    I'm 22nd most talkative.
02:50 brendan    jcamins this is fun to look at --> http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
02:49 cait       thx :)
02:48 cait       3 hours until i have to get up
02:48 jcamins    Good night.
02:48 jcamins    Ick.
02:48 cait       yep
02:48 cait       talk to you tomorrow :)
02:48 jcamins    Do you have work today?
02:48 brendan    ah that's how it should be - sekjal and nengard should get the credit ;)
02:48 jcamins    Good idea.
02:48 cait       p
02:48 cait       ok, I will try to get some more slee
02:48 munin      brendan: Karma for "Nate" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
02:48 brendan    @karma Nate
02:47 munin      brendan: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 122 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 122.
02:47 brendan    @karma nengard
02:47 munin      brendan: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 38 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 37.
02:47 brendan    @karma sekjal
02:47 munin      jcamins: bywatersolutions has neutral karma.
02:47 jcamins    @karma bywatersolutions
02:47 munin      jcamins: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
02:47 jcamins    @karma bywater
02:47 munin      brendan: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 19 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 19.
02:47 brendan    @karma brendan
02:46 cait       lol
02:46 cait       and there is a ba flight number that indicated it could already be in zürich!
02:46 jcamins    Oh, phooey. I forgot to pick up my suit from the dry cleaner.
02:46 jcamins    clothing++
02:46 jcamins    Woohoo!
02:45 cait       ITEM LOCATED, PENDING  CONFIRMATION < suitcase found
02:45 cait       you are catching up very fast :)
02:45 jcamins    Yup.
02:45 cait       being here for a longer time
02:45 jcamins    That's a lot more. ;)
02:44 munin      jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 31 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 31.
02:44 jcamins    @karma kf
02:44 munin      jcamins: Karma for "cait" has been increased 32 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 32.
02:44 jcamins    @karma cait
02:44 jcamins    Wow, that's a lot of karma.
02:44 cait       :)
02:44 munin      cait: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
02:44 cait       @karma jcamins
02:44 jcamins    I like the fact that - has negative karma. I guess lots of people have typed three dashes in a row.
02:44 cait       :)
02:43 munin      jcamins: Highest karma: "chris" (187), "gmcharlt" (176), and "owen" (170).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-71), "failed" (-46), and "-" (-30).  You (jcamins) are ranked 19 out of 1046.
02:43 jcamins    @karma
02:43 jcamins    Oh, that would make sense.
02:43 cait       or we have to ask gmcharlt to adjust it
02:43 jcamins    (yeah, I know it doesn't work)
02:43 cait       this will get hard g
02:43 jcamins    koha+=1000000000
02:42 cait       koha++
02:42 cait       koha++
02:42 cait       koha++
02:42 munin      cait: Karma for "koha" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
02:42 cait       @karma koha
02:42 cait       koha++++++
02:42 cait       koha++
02:42 jcamins    koha++
02:42 jcamins    Eleven?
02:42 jcamins    !?!
02:42 munin      jcamins: Karma for "koha" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
02:42 jcamins    @karma koha
02:42 jcamins    koha++
02:42 cait       yes, it really is. let's hope all the new features will find their way into 3.4 :)
02:41 cait       koha++
02:41 jcamins    cait1: that's very nice.
02:40 cait1      that's so cool - almost all things my librarians complained about during training are already sponsored
02:40 cait1      reading paul's acq rfc's
02:40 jcamins    There have been some great patches pushed in the past few weeks.
02:39 jcamins    brendan: sounds like it.
02:38 brendan    need to rebase ;)
02:37 brendan    yeah I saw in head that's been somewhat changed from what I was looking at
02:37 robin      I did also change the koha to marc mapping setting to match
02:37 robin      brendan: I just checked, and I have a 490$a and $v field showing up fine in the opac with and without XSLT. I'm running from just before the 3.2 release.
02:36 jcamins    That's the same temperature it was this afternoon.
02:36 brendan    i'd guess it's about 12 outside (that's cold for shorts and a t-shirt)
02:36 jcamins    Actually, you're right.
02:36 brendan    yeah I'm telling you weatherunderground is not reporting the correct temp
02:35 jcamins    And I walked seventy blocks today.
02:35 jcamins    That's exactly what I was thinking.
02:35 cait1      and brendan is complaining... ;)
02:35 munin      jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 7.6�C (10:45 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027.3 hPa (Steady).
02:35 jcamins    @wunder 11105
02:35 munin      cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.4�C (3:49 AM CET on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
02:35 cait1      @wunder Konstanz
02:35 brendan    that's not right munin
02:34 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (7:45 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
02:34 brendan    @wunder 93117
02:34 brendan    man today disappeared and I've still got to ride my bike home - I'm going to freeze my *** off
02:34 cait1      i tried to stay up as long as possible, but fell asleep at 5.30 and now I am awake after 7 hours of sleep
02:34 jcamins    Right.
02:34 jcamins    Ah.
02:34 jcamins    Isn't it... 5am?
02:34 cait1      jetlag
02:34 jcamins    cait1: speaking of night, why are you awake?
02:33 jcamins    Good night, chris_n
02:32 chris      night chris_n
02:32 chris_n    g'night #koha
02:26 * jcamins  mostly just knows that it's going to be a disaster.
02:26 cait1      jcmains: I have really not much idea about rda yet
02:26 cait1      jcamins: ok, then she will probably know
02:19 * brendan  is no authority on that though
02:19 brendan    jcamins that's what I've been hearing
02:19 jcamins    Isn't RDA going to be encoded in MARC, at least to start with?
02:18 cait1      jcamins: you don't need to bribe me, but not sure she will know about marc21
02:15 chris      http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Patches_pushed_3_November/
02:13 chris_n    and role back, etc, etc, etc
02:13 chris_n    git++ * 1000
02:13 jcamins    Yeah, also the ability to add bugfixes if there's a serious problem.
02:12 jcamins    Ah.
02:12 chris_n    very smooth upgrading
02:12 chris_n    exactly
02:11 jcamins    You mean, using dev installs?
02:11 jcamins    chris_n: what?
02:10 * chris_n  sings the praises of running production over git
02:09 jcamins    And probably bribe cait to ask her coworker who works on RDA to confirm that the series handling is the same.
02:08 jcamins    First I need to write out what I think it should be doing, then find out if it does that.
02:07 chris      signoff and send it up, and if it looks ok ill push it :)
02:05 jcamins    But cait's patch is needed.
02:05 jcamins    (applied to head... I was looking at it yesterday)
02:04 jcamins    There was a patch by owen.
02:03 jcamins_a  Ooh, are we talking about series tracings?
02:00 brendan    yup I see that now
01:59 cait1      http://github.com/kfischer/Koha/commit/232a513a5f229ce27694d3f71cf7dc97bdbe7819
01:59 cait1      and I have a patch for readding it with (I hope) correct behaviour:
01:59 cait1      killing the indicator distinction
01:59 cait1      I think head should have a bugfix by owen
01:59 brendan    what head has
01:59 brendan    let me see
01:59 brendan    I don't think I'm looking at head
01:58 cait1      are you looking at current head?
01:58 cait1      iirc the indicator indicates if it's traced or not
01:57 cait1      hm yes
01:56 brendan    thoughts?
01:56 brendan    not sure if we need that - it's not there for the [440] tag
01:55 brendan    in the XSLT stylesheet - I'm seeing indacator info --> [@ind1=0]
01:55 brendan    ok I think I see the issue - but I'm not sure will need to look at some more examples
01:51 brendan    example - http://catalog.marlboro.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=11678
01:51 brendan    it's in the code that it should be displaying - but it's not
01:50 brendan    with XSLT on
01:50 brendan    hmmm...  anyone have a record in their opacs that has a the series information is in the 490 and not the 440 and that is displaying correctly
01:48 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/merge_help' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5145eb59b786bd2010eb324197034dd210504543>
01:38 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4991' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef087b000620b5c5d113a4cabe5b8c22c984b3f8> / bug 4991: follow-up tweaks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba35ce60e1cefbfa0cfbedaca218f46f2662310e> / Fix for Bug 4991, Overhaul of Calendar interface <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1117f6920ceccecc8
01:33 chris      im just gonna merge the branch anyway, not reaplly the patches
01:33 chris      for 4991
01:32 * chris_n  only received 2/2 not 1/2 yet
01:31 chris_n    is it me or is the list server slow tonight?
01:29 * cait1    gets hungry now
01:29 cait1      ;)
01:29 chris_n    hehe
01:29 chris      thats good enough for me, ill push it
01:29 cait1      I offer you a free cookie and you hav especial wishes?
01:29 chris_n    just my favorite flavor cookie
01:29 chris      i see its now been signed off twice :)
01:28 chris      ahh its ok, i read the patches anyway
01:28 cait1      ?
01:28 chris_n    a chocolate-mint cookie?
01:27 * cait1    gives chris_n a cookie
01:26 chris_n    opps... forgot to add the signed off flag :-(
01:17 * chris_n  tries to imagine the whole world on a single TZ
01:17 chris_n    lol
01:15 cait       yes, but employer would not be happy, I am going back to work today
01:15 cait       hehe
01:13 robin      surely it would be easier to just stick with NZ time from now on? :)
01:13 chris      yes, its pretty early in the morning for you
01:13 cait       bad = bed...
01:11 cait       and I should not be awake now
01:11 cait       but will check tomorrow ;)
01:10 cait       saw not much sun here today
01:09 robin      and now the sun moves across the sky in the wrong direction for you, which must be confusing.
01:08 cait       was strange waking up in my own bad, took some time to realize where I am :)
01:06 chris      hehe
01:06 * cait     wants to be there too
01:05 cait       aw
01:05 chris      at wineries at the moment
01:05 chris      yup
01:03 cait       nicole and brian are still in nz?
00:56 cait       wanted to look at the code there to make some changes fo rus
00:56 chris      yay!
00:55 cait       I think the unit tests 101 are all done now, will try to do some for overdues perhaps next
00:55 chris      now 1711 tests being run
00:55 chris      http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha_Master/lastSuccessfulBuild/testReport/
00:55 cait       ok :)
00:54 chris      there was one that gmcharlt fixed, but the rest were fine
00:54 chris      cait: yep, they ran fine
00:52 cait       hi robin :)
00:52 robin      hi cait!
00:51 cait       were the test cases ok? saw that you pushed them
00:51 cait       and it must have been more chocolate than I thought, my suitcase was lighter on my way back home :)
00:50 cait       that's good
00:50 chris      yes, very yummy
00:50 cait       but hope you liked it
00:50 chris      they had some :)
00:49 cait       share with the kids! :)
00:48 chris      i have eaten some of your chocolate, saving the rest for when i have a stressful day
00:47 cait       missing nz
00:47 cait       I even have a flight number now - trying to find out which flight it is
00:47 chris      yay
00:47 cait       and at least it seems they have found it
00:47 cait       nah, could be worse
00:47 chris      heya, glad you made it home, sorry to hear about the bag
00:47 cait       hi chris :)
00:47 * cait     waves
00:46 chris      cait!!!
00:44 cait       ok, I hope I will get it tomorrow, I am away for a presentation on thursday, will make it harder to get it delivered
00:42 cait       hmpf.
00:42 cait       my flight from london to zürich was delayed - they told us, we were waiting for the baggage to arrive and be loaded...
00:41 cait       yeah
00:41 * chris_n  thinks cheap rfid tags on baggage would help
00:41 * cait     hopes for london or zürich, not sydney or wellington
00:41 cait       perhaps they do know now where it is
00:41 * chris_n  holds his breath
00:41 cait       it says now: baggage located
00:41 cait       checking the online tracking system
00:40 chris_n    ouch, sorry :-(
00:40 cait       oh
00:40 brendan    that's not good at all
00:39 cait       called them, they have no idea where it is
00:39 brendan    oh bummer
00:39 cait       nope
00:38 chris_n    seen your bags yet?
00:38 cait       hi chris_n
00:38 chris_n    heya cait
00:36 brendan    anybody know off the top of their heads - what is being passed for the syndectics enhanced content (is it the first ISBN in the record - or is it all of them)?
00:26 chris_n    of course what we're missing here is the very cold night part
00:24 chris_n    nothing like a fire on a very cold night with some hot chocolate and spiced cider, etc
00:24 chris_n    heh :-)
00:23 brendan    ah I can tell you live in the south ;)
00:23 chris_n    hey brandan
00:22 brendan    hiya chris_n
00:22 brendan    ah I love fires
00:13 * chris_n  burned the first fire of the season tonight
00:13 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.8�C (8:25 PM EDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising).
00:13 chris_n    @wunder 28334
00:04 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on November 03, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
00:04 brendan    @wunder wellington, nz
00:04 munin      brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 26.9�C (5:14 PM PDT on November 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
00:04 brendan    @wunder 93117
00:03 ronald     yes
00:02 wasabi     you got home OK then...
00:02 wasabi     hey ronald, mason here ;)