IRC log for #koha, 2010-09-14

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03:13 Amit heya chris
03:13 wasabi morning amit
03:13 Amit heya mason
03:18 yhager Trying to add my first record, I get an error about item 942 not filled - item type - what is this?
03:19 chris its probably telling you you havent put an itemtype in 942c
03:21 brendan_l heya amit
03:21 Amit heya brendan
03:22 yhager chris: yes, I got that. but the option list there is empty. How can I define item types?
03:22 chris you probably should read the manual
03:22 chris 2 secs, ill find you a link
03:23 chris[…]?ch=x2963#AEN3051
03:25 yhager chris: thanks! I downloaded the stable release though (3.0)
03:25 chris that itemtype link is the same
03:26 chris and for the rest
03:26 chris there is a pdf there for 3.0
03:26 yhager but I can't find the item type page link
03:27 yhager I am looking at at the admin home page..
03:28 yhager found it. sorry
03:29 chris no worries
03:29 chris pretty much everything on that page is worth looking through (the admin one)
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06:58 ivanc hi #koha
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07:10 kf good mornign #koha
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07:21 kf chris: aroundß
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07:29 ivanc guten morgen kf
07:32 kf hi ivanc :)
07:39 kf git++
07:39 kf @karma git
07:39 munin kf: Karma for "git" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8.
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07:41 kf hi magnus :)
07:41 magnus hiya kf and #koha
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08:23 ivanc hi magnus
08:23 magnus hi ivanc
08:23 magnus hi davi
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08:25 davi hi magnus
08:28 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:28 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.2�C (10:31 AM CEST on September 14, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Steady).
08:29 chris kf: am now
08:31 kf chris: I had problems with git commit --amend - but solved it :)
08:32 chris ah cool
08:32 chris patch looks good
08:35 chris signed off and resent
08:36 chris for ones like that in the future, you could send direct to me, and ill send the signed off one to the list, save doubling up on the list (ie if its one ive said ill sign off on)
08:36 kf ok
08:37 kf yeah, makes more sense and less work too
08:37 chris hopefully we get to the point where its pretty much only signed off patches hitting the list
08:39 kf I think it's good to do that, but more work for the developer too
08:39 kf finding people to sign-off
08:39 chris yup, but much more chance it will get pushed up
08:40 chris yes, but building those relationships makes the project stronger
08:40 chris new ones of course can just send to the list
08:40 chris but its nice to build up, ill sign yours, you sign mine type deals :)
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08:44 kf hm. I think I am only a bit worried about finding people to sign off on mine.
08:44 chris until 3.2 is released, im happy to sign off on yours
08:44 kf thx chris :)
08:44 chris once 3.2 is released ill be busy with 3.4 stuff
08:44 kf yep
08:45 kf we will keep you busy :)
08:45 chris but robin at catalyst might be able to take over
08:45 chris ill ask him tomorrow at work
08:46 kf I will try to talk to others too and I have no problem with testing a lot of patches :)
08:46 chris :)
09:41 kf hm, working on documentation about borrower notification - my messaging table looks strange again :(
10:10 ivanc with Debian lenny on the git installation
10:10 ivanc I've found a issue in zebra installer,  cpan XML::LibXLT fail
10:10 ivanc with this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgdbm
10:10 ivanc the lib is already present : perl -V | grep libs
10:10 ivanc solved with the creation of 2  simbolic link
10:10 ivanc /usr/lib/
10:10 ivanc and
10:10 ivanc /usr/lib/
10:10 ivanc could help someone?
10:14 chris libxslt?
10:14 chris why are you cpanning it on, not apt-get?
10:15 chris apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl
10:16 chris and apt-get idzebra too
10:21 ivanc cris: because a version error with libxml
10:23 chris if you really have to install from source, rather than from packages, then you need the gdbm development libraries
10:24 chris apt-get install libgbdm-dev
10:27 ivanc cris:  true, but my libxml was from cpan, I thought it was better to have updated libraries
10:28 ivanc cris: but still running :)
10:29 chris its always better to have packages
10:29 chris they are looked after by the debian security team
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11:47 magnus good morning jwagner & nengard!
11:47 nengard morning
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11:50 jwagner Hi magnus
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11:51 mgarces hello everyone
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11:57 mgarces is koha avaylable in other languages
11:57 mgarces ??
11:57 chris_n mgarces: yes
11:58 magnus mgarces.
11:58 mgarces =)
11:59 mgarces my boss asked me to install this
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12:17 owen Hi #koha
12:18 ivanc hi owen
12:19 Amit Hi Jwagner
12:19 jwagner Hi Amit
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12:28 druthb mornin, #koha.
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12:29 owen Hi druthb
12:29 druthb :D  hi, owen!
12:29 owen druthb: Working on anything fun lately?
12:30 druthb fixing things for wizzyrea and schuster a lot.  That's "fun," of a sort, because they're two of my favorite people.    Takes your fun where you can get it.
12:31 owen It's always easier to fix things for people who will appreciate it
12:31 druthb Other non-work stuff is more fun.  Go check my new facebook profile pic...Kind Of A Big Deal.
12:33 jwagner Wow, that was fast turnaround on the pic!
12:34 druthb jwagner++ # for taking it.
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12:51 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:56 wizzyrea good morning peeps
13:56 * druthb waves to wizzyrea.
13:56 wizzyrea how is everybody this morning?
13:57 druthb :D
14:05 kf hi jcamins and wizzyrea :) and druthb! :)
14:05 wizzyrea ooh, hi kf
14:05 wizzyrea :)
14:06 brendan morning
14:06 druthb hi, kf.  :D
14:06 * druthb waves to brendan
14:06 wizzyrea ooh, brendan is up early
14:06 brendan :)
14:07 wizzyrea I forget when does the wee one arrive?
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14:15 brendan december
14:15 wizzyrea ooh getting close!
14:16 wizzyrea well not *that* close I guess but... never mind. lol.
14:19 brendan it's getting closer
14:19 brendan I'm in the hurry up and wait mode
14:28 wizzyrea yes, in the "still luxuriating in the fact you can sleep in" mode
14:28 wizzyrea :D
14:29 owen brendan can sleep at least. His wife must be going into "can't ever get comfortable" mode
14:29 brendan that's so true
14:29 wizzyrea idk, even when I was in "can't ever get comfortable" it was still a luxury to be in bed, not doing anything.
14:30 wizzyrea now it's all "please don't put your peas in your water" and "it would be better if you didn't stick the drumstick up your nose"
14:30 jcamins wizzyrea: you make it all sound so appealing.
14:30 wizzyrea "please use your fork for eating, not for stabbing the cat"
14:30 wizzyrea >.> don't get me wrong, it's glorious ;)
14:31 jcamins :)
14:31 jcamins Time to head to work.
14:31 wizzyrea you also get kiddo proclaiming "HOT BALLOONS ARE AWESOME"
14:31 jcamins Today is awesome book day!
14:31 jcamins Aww. They are, of course (hot balloons, and books). :D
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14:44 ivanc any idea for using Schlagwortkatalog   in text searching? whit the rule explain in the RSWK?
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14:51 reva Hi my friends, I have a quick question; when I turn on repeat for 952 $h (serial enumeration and chronology) so that  various irregular numbering for the serials can be handled more elegantly, it does not work. (running Koha 3.0.6). Any ideas why?
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15:01 kf I think the repeated subfidles in item are perhaps problematic
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15:12 kf invanc: ask me tomorrow about RSWK and authorities - I can tell you some things
15:13 owen chris_n: Am I to understand that you can perltidy a TMPL file? Or were you just making changes to the TMPL file based on the perltidy rules?
15:13 ivanc tnks kf
15:13 chris_n owen: the latter
15:14 kf leavning now - bye all
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15:15 chris_n I'm not sure what would happen if one ran perltidy on a template file
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15:27 reva hi again, sorry kf: I stepped out. So what other ways are there to display holdings for serials in 3.0.6?
15:28 owen reva: Use the serials module? Unfortunately that's not easy if you're migrating existing holdings
15:29 chris_n owen: after a brief test, running perltidy on tmpl files is *not* recommended for sanity's sake
15:30 owen I can hear the klaxons from here!
15:41 brendan @wunder 93117
15:41 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.1�C (8:41 AM PDT on September 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising).
15:41 owen not working anymore?
15:51 reva owen: 3.0.6 does not have a serial module in Admin choices, except to enter subscriptions and go from there. But if you are meaning enter the title as serial (both using the serial framework and explicitly coding it in the leader), I have done that; there does not seem to be any way to enter holdings except in 952 $h and my version does not repeat that subfield, though I have enabled it.
15:52 owen reva: I mean using the serials module. /cgi-bin/koha/serials/
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15:54 reva owen: please explain, where I would find this file.
15:55 owen From the staff client home page, click "Serials"
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15:56 reva owen: That is what I meant when I said "I see only a way to enter new subscription" with all the expected frequency, etc; but no way to input a bib record and create holdings in it.
15:58 owen You create a bib record first in the regular bib editor. Then you attach a subscription to it in Serials. Then you receive issues in Serials and attach items at that time.
16:01 reva Ok, I will try that. So I can search for the bib record I just created from inside the "new Subscription" and build the pattern and it will attach a new item record for the bib every time I receive the issue and record it, correct?
16:03 owen Yes. You have to choose "create an item record when receiving this serial"
16:03 owen ...when you create the subscription
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16:03 reva owen: ok, got that about creating item record when receiving; thanks. What about compressed holdings from before? where would they go?
16:04 owen I don't know about that, sorry :(
16:05 reva owen: I mean, for example v.10 (1970) - v.12 (1972), v.15 (1975); how would I show them?
16:05 owen I don't know.
16:07 reva owen: ok, I will first do what you told me and figure out a way to enter retrospective holdings. If you know anyone with serials issues as mine who solved it, I would appreciate knowing in the future. Thanks.
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16:10 reva owen: I think may be creating new duplicate bib record for the serial and recording the compressed holdings in its item record and adding notes about the existence of two bib records may work.
16:19 owen Anyone have enough authority records to test Bug 3187?
16:19 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3187 normal, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, pagination in authority search doesn't work
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16:26 cait owen: I have a lot, but can't test today
16:27 owen Thanks cait. No rush, but it looks like it could be marked fixed if it's working.
16:28 cait ok, I will add me ass cc to the bug and write a reminder to myself
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16:33 chris_n sekjal: just commented up the RFC on hourly loans
16:33 sekjal chris_n: awesome, thanks!  I'll read it tomorrow
16:33 sekjal today's my day off
16:34 sekjal but for some reason I still find myself in chat...
16:34 sekjal :)
16:34 owen I think Bug 3094 is fixed. Can anyone confirm?
16:34 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3094 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Public Virtual Shelf can be Modified / Deleted by any non-logged in patron
16:35 cait sekjal: I know the feeling ;)
16:35 cait i will try to comment on the rfc's too - but it's been a crazy week :(
16:37 jcamins_a sekjal: I'm not quite sure what a day off is, but I'm sure you shouldn't be spending it on #koha. ;)
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16:42 sekjal jcamins: well, in the future, my days off my revolve around getting my home Koha instance up and running, so it would make sense for me to be in chat then
16:43 jcamins sekjal: your home Koha instance?
16:44 brendan jcamins - everyone needs a home koha install
16:44 sekjal yeah, I'm going to set on up to track my books, movies, music and such
16:44 sekjal and hopefully get my friends on board as well
16:44 sekjal set up a personal consortium
16:44 jcamins brendan: Far be it from me to disagree with you! In fact, that's what I go around telling everyone! :D
16:46 rhcl rhcl wonders if sekjal will charge fines
16:46 owen It could be a disciplinary exercise for kids: check books out to them for bedtime, then charge fines if you have to pick them up off the floor the next day
16:47 jcamins If you can change the units, you could charge in rounds of drinks. This encourages A) socialization and B) returning books on time.
16:47 sekjal rhcl: I think I'll set up another currency, and charge folks in fresh produce
16:47 rhcl a way to recoup some of that excessive allowance money
16:47 sekjal drinks woudl be good, too
16:47 brendan excellent ideas - I may implement that
16:48 rhcl if you charge in produce you'll go broke (hungry?) in the winter
16:48 jcamins And you'll end up with way too much zucchini in the summer.
16:49 cait mmh zucchini
16:49 rhcl speaking of which, time for lunch
16:49 sekjal rhcl: indeed!
16:49 cait dinner time
16:50 brendan coffee time
16:50 jcamins (courgette for our British compatriots)
16:50 jcamins :)
16:50 rhcl I got coffee, need tacos
16:50 * jwagner is channeling the spirit of owen. Ommmmmm.
16:50 jwagner Have to go teach some of our people how to do OPAC customizations :-)
16:50 cait :)
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16:52 owen jwagner: Don't forget to impart Rule 1: Don't make it ugly!
16:52 jwag_mtg owen, ugly is in the eye of the beholder.  The client wants it, the client gets it :-)
16:54 jwag_mtg Mind you, I do make some rather strongly-worded suggestions, at times....
16:55 cait :)
16:58 * owen hops on the lunch train
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18:15 ivanc hi #koha
18:21 * chris_n finds he somehow missed out on the lunch thing
18:25 rhcl not too late, go for it :)
18:28 chris_n yeah, its never too late for food imho :)
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19:05 * jwagner is tired now. It's hard pretending to be owen :-)
19:06 owen It's hard to do the silly walk just right
19:07 jcamins A quarter twist and a hop to the left every third step?
19:07 jwagner It's just a jump to the right!
19:10 jcamins And then a step to the left? :)
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19:12 jwagner Put your hands on your hips (or was it knees?)
19:12 jcamins I certainly don't know. I never saw the film, and only saw the show once.
19:12 jwagner Let's Do The Time Warp Again!
19:13 jcamins That part I knew. ;)
19:15 chris[…]ets-residency.htm
19:18 jwagner The really priceless version was a parody done on some Comedy Channel show (I think) in the '80s, called the Ronnie Horror Picture Show.  With El Presidente in the Dr. Frank-n-furter role, complete with costume.....
19:18 jwagner I cherish a copy of that.
19:21 owen
19:22 jwagner Yep, that's it :-)
19:29 owen What should koha-error_log's permissions be?
19:30 chris different distributions set them at different level
19:31 chris on debian, its probably gonna be owned by root, and readable only by root
19:31 jcamins 644 root:root
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19:31 jcamins But I'm on Debian.
19:31 chris i put my apache logs in /var/log/apache2 (koha included) and let logrotate take care of them
19:32 chris yours are probably where koha wanted to put them?
19:32 chris 640 root:adm on my ubuntu box
19:32 jcamins Ooh, I guess I should figure out how to get logrotate to work happily with the logs for my dev install script.
19:33 chris yup, you should, or huge files here we come :)
19:33 jcamins *for dev installations from from my Koha dev-install-ing script
19:33 chris there is a config script in misc
19:33 * owen is trying to figure out why errors aren't getting recorded to the log anymore
19:33 jcamins Why is opac-error so massive?
19:33 chris look in the main apache error log
19:34 chris jcamins: warns
19:34 jcamins Ah.
19:34 chris not errors, but things like uninitialized variable blah blah
19:34 chris and then some ppl have left warns in ... both of which should be fix
19:35 chris harmless in the greater scheme of things, but noisy logs mean real errors get missed
19:36 jcamins Well, when I have nothing else to do, perhaps I'll fix some of them.
19:36 chris owen: what version of apache are you running, one of them decides to just put stuff in the main log ... also .. are you running logrotate? is it writing to the .1 logs instead?
19:36 chris jcamins: thatd be great
19:36 * jcamins laughs hysterically at the idea of having nothing else to do
19:36 chris bug2505
19:36 chris is where you can log fixes under
19:36 chris its a nice habit that if you are touching a script
19:36 chris you check it has use warnings;
19:37 chris an fix any warnings as well
19:37 chris 2 birds one stone and all that
19:37 owen chris: It was working the other day, and then I emptied out the log files (not using logrotate obviously)
19:37 cait jcamins: cookie?
19:37 chris owen: that'd do it
19:37 chris stop apache2
19:37 jcamins cait: Was that an offer or a request?
19:37 cait an offer
19:37 chris mv the log files out of the way
19:37 cait I feel with you
19:37 jcamins Ah. Thank you!
19:38 chris start it again, and apache2 should create log files with the permissions it can write to
19:38 cait but if you take cookies we can trade
19:38 cait have cookies..
19:38 jcamins I actually have no baked goods at all right now.
19:38 jcamins I may have to bake something quick tonight.
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19:40 chris owen: lemme know if that works
19:40 chris but now i have to catch my bus
19:40 owen No, didn't work.
19:41 cait jcamins: that seems unusual for you - no cookies around :)
19:41 chris owen: is it writing to the main error log?
19:42 jcamins cait: it is. And very sad.
19:42 * cait sends an emergency package with a lot of cookies
19:42 * chris really goes this time
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19:52 owen Got it. The files needed to be in the adm group. Must be an Ubuntu thing.
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20:00 owen Is there a standard practice for updating a script's copyright statement if you edit it?
20:00 owen Should we be doing that?
20:02 chris Yes owen
20:03 owen Add another line after the existing copyright line?
20:03 chris We should definitely add to the copyright
20:03 chris Parts copyright owen
20:03 cait owen: this is a good question
20:03 owen chris: ?
20:03 cait chris: for every change or only significant changes?
20:04 jcamins Does that mean everyone who touches a file needs to add their name to the copyright statement?
20:05 cait I think most people don't touch the copyright statements, perhaps we should agree on something and add it to the wiki
20:05 chris Its a judgement call no hard and fast rules
20:05 chris But yes you change 3 or 4 lines then parts copyright you
20:05 chris Seems reasonable
20:06 chris Have to go back and fix the files is one of our jobs
20:06 chris Its all in the git logs
20:07 chris But we can't go into debian proper until we fix it
20:07 chris If ppl want I can point it out on patches and ask for resubmit
20:07 owen Should a "parts copyright" be noted differently than the original copyright?
20:08 chris In fact I will for 3.4
20:08 chris And ill ask colin to as well
20:08 jcamins Why can't we go into Debian?
20:08 chris Um
20:08 chris Cos of the copright statements
20:09 jcamins There has to be an accurate copyright statement in each file?
20:09 chris They are wrong 90%
20:09 chris Yes
20:09 jcamins Okay. I don't know much about Debian.
20:09 chris And its a good rule too
20:09 jcamins Other than that it's the distribution I use to run Koha. ;)
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20:10 chris Owen: there are some parts copyright bits in there a grep should find them
20:11 owen # Copyright 2006 Katipo Communications.
20:11 owen # Parts Copyright 2009 Foundations Bible College.
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20:11 owen chris: In terms of Debian, is it a problem that our template files have no copyright statement?
20:12 chris If you make big changes then I think a copyright line by itself is fine, ie if I rewrote a script id just put copyright chris cormack 2010
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20:13 chris Owen: not sure ill read up, lars or slef would know
20:13 chris has no copyright statement .. so we have stuff to do
20:13 larsw owen, as long as copyright status is otherwise clear, it's not a problem, but it's easier to be clear by putting the copyright statement and license info in each file, even though it is ugly
20:14 chris Yay larsw!
20:14 chris One thing I hope to do
20:14 chris Is the first day of the dev conference
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20:15 chris We teach the librarians how to do research with git
20:15 chris And then ask them to fix the copyrights
20:15 chris :)
20:15 magnus chris: good plan! ;-)
20:16 larsw :)
20:16 jcamins You'd think we librarians would be good at that. :)
20:16 chris Larsw: what do you reckon a rule of thumb should be for needing to update the copyroght?
20:17 jcamins I wonder how many files there are to go through.
20:17 chris And are you in the uk now?
20:17 chris jcamins hundreds
20:17 jcamins Wow. There are 11k files in Koha.
20:17 jcamins That doesn't seem right to me.
20:17 cait only the librarians?
20:17 jcamins I must have a recursive symlink.
20:18 * cait does not want to only do boring things at kohacon ;)
20:18 chris Its the images, css etc too jcamins
20:18 jcamins Ah. Right.
20:18 owen And translations maybe?
20:18 jcamins There are 940ish .pl files.
20:18 owen Gotta go, see y'all tomorrow
20:18 chris Cait: I'm trying to spare you the boring stuff
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20:19 chris You're a developer now
20:19 magnus cait: you are a developer, remember!
20:19 chris :)
20:19 magnus ;-)
20:19 magnus :-)
20:19 larsw chris, I'll need to think about that and I'm about asleep already, so I'll answer later -- could you e-mail me so I don't forget?
20:20 chris Will do
20:20 chris Thanks
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20:21 cait oh, good
20:21 * cait tries to remember :)
20:21 chris Ok my stop, cyas
20:28 cait magnus: but I am a librarian too
20:28 magnus me too
20:28 cait :)
20:28 magnus i guess we can choose what hat to wear as we see fit... ;-)
20:28 cait lol
20:28 cait yep, was thinking the same right now
20:35 chris back
20:36 magnus that was quick
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20:37 richard hi
20:37 chris hi richard
20:37 richard hey chris
20:37 richard nice spring day out there
20:38 cait wb chris
20:38 chris it sure richard
20:39 chris magnus: its only a short walk from the bus stop to work, i stopped to get a flat white too .. you will need to learn about those in NZ :)
20:39 magnus coffee? nah... ;-)
20:49 cait coffee with a lot of milk is perhaps drinkable
20:49 chris you people are crazy
20:50 chris :)
20:56 magnus just wait until you find out how crazy we really are!
20:56 magnus and so to bed
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21:03 cait can't wait to meet magnus :)
21:04 cait chris: we are really crazy, better prepare for it :)
21:04 chris i have the padded rooms ready
21:05 jcamins Nothing except a computer and a motivational Koha poster?
21:05 chris :)
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21:20 cait bed time
21:20 cait bye all :)
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22:07 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (3:08 PM PDT on September 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
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22:26 Braedon 1ngR0ut3
22:26 Braedon hehe, wrong window
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22:56 * robin logs into all of Braedon's accounts with that password :)
22:56 * Braedon is thankful it was only Part of his password
22:57 Braedon damn empathy popping up
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23:02 * Braedon probably should change that password wherever it is used regardless...
23:02 Braedon any ideas for a password anyone? :P
23:32 robin Braedon: I recommend 'password1'
23:32 rhcl 'changeme'
23:32 richard friday is always popular
23:32 robin 'changeme' is my usual default when I give passwords to people. Then I find that they haven't changed it two weeks later.
23:33 robin So now I sometimes use "changethispasswordbecauseit​isreallylongandapaintotype"
23:33 rhcl Give out something like: 'I eat snakes!"
23:34 rhcl Hey, that one's not too bad. I should have kept that and used it myself.
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23:35 Braedon wouldn't a lot of things not allow a password that long robin?
23:35 robin Not the software that I'm giving out passwords on. It's bad design to have a max length on passwords.
23:35 Braedon yeah
23:36 Braedon there was something a while ago that i had to use that wanted one between 6 and 10 characters or something
23:36 Braedon it was really annoying
23:36 robin yeah, that's just stupid
23:36 Braedon possibly studylink or something like that
23:37 Braedon no, wait, it was account at UoA
23:37 Braedon i had to come up with an abreviation of my standard password at the time
23:37 Braedon XKCD really is right. I use the same password for almost everything
23:38 Braedon except my bank account theoretically
23:38 robin yeah, so do I. Although there's a password generator that I've been meaning to use. It takes the URL and your password and hashes them, that hash being the real password.
23:40 Braedon Whenever my standard password gets compromised(not often thankfully, but always have the occasional slip-up, like this time where my IRC client took focus on my second screen while i was sodoing), i have to change a bunch of accounts fast, and usually don't have the time to make up a new one. So, i use my bank password, meaning to then upgrade that one...
23:41 Braedon usually QUITE a long overlap...
23:41 Braedon in the middle of one atm, so i actually need two passwords :P
23:41 robin My usual trick for shell passwords is to write it on my hand, and use it a lot the first day or two. By the time it's faded, I've memorised it.
23:43 Braedon yeah, once i have come up with something for my main password, memorising it isn't usually a problem
23:43 Braedon i remember the keystroke sequence
23:44 Braedon but for my higher level password used for bank and a few other things, i jsut don't use it often enough
23:46 robin Once they've set, I can't forget them. I have a shell acct I use about twice a year, and I couldn't tell you the password, but it comes naturally after typing 'ssh <hostname>'
23:47 Braedon yip, same
23:48 Braedon i can remeber a sequence seemingly indefnitely IF i am currently staring at somewhere where i would input it
23:48 Braedon anywhere else, i wouldn't have a clue
23:48 Braedon but just start typing it regardless, and the sequence just comes out, even if i can't remember the first character
23:50 robin yeah. This has become a problem when trying to enter passwords on my phone.
23:51 Braedon haha, my problem with that is that i rely on the num row quite a lot(as evidenced in the password fragment that started this)
23:51 Braedon my current password is REALLY hard to input on an android keyboard

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