IRC log for #koha, 2009-08-28

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00:21 chris
00:46 Jo thats cool
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01:05 pianohacker1 Hi, brendan
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01:05 brendan heya pianohacker
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01:42 pianohacker Good night
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03:30 Amit hi chris brendan
03:31 Amit good morning #koha
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03:34 chris_n2 g'morning Amit_G && g'night as well :-)
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06:33 Amit_G hi nicomo, magnusenger
06:33 nicomo hi Amit_G and #koha
06:35 magnusenger hi Amit_G and everyone!
06:56 Ropuch Morning
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07:04 kf good morning
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07:10 nicomo morning kf
07:10 kf hi nicomo
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07:12 Amit_G hi kf
07:12 hdl_laptop hello
07:13 Amit_G hi hdl
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07:31 |Lupin| good morning koha
07:34 kf guten morgen lupin :)
07:36 |Lupin| hallo kf :)
07:44 chris morning europe
07:45 kf good evening nz ;)
07:45 |Lupin| hi chris
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08:08 Amit_G hi paul_p
08:08 Amit_G hi lupin
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08:32 |Lupin| hey Amit_G
08:32 Amit_G heya lupin
09:52 |Lupin| does someone know a digital library that wold be witten in Perl, server-oriented with a web interface as Koha ?
09:56 |Lupin| cause those I found (partly thanks to you all) are often in Java or have a GUI client, which makes them not as interesting as things that wold be similar to Koha in their web-based interface
10:03 Amit_G anyone done with koha
10:03 hdl_laptop LL did
10:06 Amit_G i have integrated with koha
10:06 Amit_G but there is a problem
10:48 magnusenger does anyone know what the state of Koha in Russia(n) is? Use? Translation?
10:50 gmcharlt magnusenger: Russian and Ukrainian translations were contributed a few months ago
10:50 magnusenger gmcharlt: cool, know anything about libraries using it?
10:51 gmcharlt magnusenger: I think at least one, but not sure who
10:52 magnusenger ok, thanks
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11:48 Amit_G galen: have a nice weekend
11:48 Amit_G i m leaving
11:48 gmcharlt Amit_G: you too
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12:15 chris_n g'morning
12:15 gmcharlt hi chris_n
12:16 jdavidb gmcharlt, I didn't get you pinged yesterday afternoon..ended up taking the afternoon off, and working into the wee hours (some things never change...)
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12:28 schuster Morning all...
12:29 gmcharlt jdavidb: heh
12:29 gmcharlt hi schuster
12:29 schuster I need to run a report showing all the holds in the system and if I can get the date the hold was placed.
12:29 jdavidb Mornin', schuster.
12:30 gmcharlt schuster: reseves.reservedate is when the hold was placed
12:30 schuster So "reserves" are the same as Holds - just checking terminology.
12:31 gmcharlt yep
12:31 schuster ok that helps.  I'm trying to start using holds again with the new hold features from NEKLS and need to probably clean out some old holds.
12:33 jdavidb You could always brute-force it-- "TRUNCATE reserves;"    :P
12:33 * jdavidb listens for the screams.
12:34 schuster Should have thought of that earlier this summer when I had someone go in and delete them all manually...  That comes from Legacy ILS's where you never knew what would happen if you monkey'd with stuff under the hood.
12:34 gmcharlt schuster: well, even with OSS ILSs it's still a good idea to ask before randomly truncating tables :)
12:35 jdavidb It still can be hazardous, surely.  But that one, in particular, would be relatively safe; there aren't many downline table cascades there.
12:36 jdavidb It's more-often a question of "do you really want that?" than "What will this break?"    Picking at the code, you can answer the second question.
12:38 schuster I try not to pick code - I'm still learning how it all works together!
12:39 schuster so when I do select count(*) from reserves I get 62 - but when I do select branchcode from reserves it gives me 19 - ???
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12:39 jdavidb Hm...that is odd.  Is that the whole query you're using?
12:39 jdavidb Morning, Owen. :)
12:40 schuster Ah I had a group by on there that might be it let me stretch my mind some more... Not enough coffee yet.
12:40 jdavidb Yes, that might do it.
12:41 schuster Yep it was the group by... whew.
12:41 jdavidb Cool.  :)
12:41 schuster but why when I group would it eliminate some?  They are in the record?  how else could I sort them by branch?
12:44 schuster Oh order by - see I'm still an sql newbie.
12:46 schuster I'm very proud of myself I just did a join...;)
12:55 * owen lols at the logs from last night: "HEY!! HEY!!!! MY SLEEPING!!!!"
13:03 * gmcharlt nominates Kahu for Koha mascot
13:17 jwagner gmcharlt, does that mean Kahu has to wear one of those purple alien t-shirts at all times?
13:17 gmcharlt jwagner: no, that would be cruel ;) I'm sure we can come up with cuter Koha toddler-wear
13:18 owen The stop words area of system administration only applies if noZebra is on, right?
13:19 gmcharlt owen: technically, you can use them with Zebra, but there's no point
13:20 owen I wondered if we should hide that link when noZebra was on.
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13:24 gmcharlt owen: would make sense, or at least give an indication that it isn't applicable
13:25 owen I guess it depends whether your "technically" is widely applicable enough to leave it?
13:26 gmcharlt IMO- if you're using Zebra, you don't need and shouldn't configure stopwords, so I'm in favor of hiding or de-emphasizing it
13:34 * owen notices Bugzilla is still configured to suggest emailing ""
13:36 gmcharlt owen: good catch - I'll ping Clay about it
13:43 owen "Library Transfer Limits?" I hadn't noticed that one before.
13:44 schuster Well where have you been?  That's been around since 3.0 but I've never figured out what it does!  kidding on the first part...
14:22 kf reserves question: my holds queue is filled with all my holds, that looks right, but my holds to pull report stays empt
14:22 kf y
14:23 kf am i missing something? I have put items on hold which are on shelf
14:33 owen kf, I noticed the same thing yesterday. We always use the holds queue report, so I hadn't noticed the other one wasn't working.
14:34 kf I thought the holds queue was all holds in the library - including holds on books that are checked out
14:35 kf so whats the difference between holds to pull and holds queue?
14:35 kf owen: and thx for fixing my display bug!
14:36 owen Holds queue shouldn't include holds on things that are checked out
14:37 owen As far as I know there's not a report to show you *all* holds, available or not.
14:37 owen We used to do a custom report on holds which hadn't been fulfilled for a certain amount of time, but that was in 2.x
14:38 kf thx
14:39 kf I think we can do it the same way. its just important to have a list of items you need to pull
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14:41 kf bug report for holds to pull needed?
14:42 owen Unless someone can explain to us what we're doing wrong. I posted a message to the Koha list yesterday mentioning this issue, but no responses to that either.
14:49 kf oh, I have not seen your mail
14:54 kf ah, I will test it a little bit more, perhaps I can find a way to get an item listed there
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15:00 owen kf: it was "Re: A few Koha holds questions" yesterday
15:01 kf owen: thx
15:02 kf owen: we are testing transfers and reserves today, wanted to work on that for weeks... perhaps i can find something out
15:03 owen transfers and holds are still pretty buggy, unfortunately.
15:04 kf we need reserves - hope its not too buggy to be used
15:05 owen No, not at all
15:05 owen We use them a lot at my library
15:06 owen But there seem to be some quirks with regard to when and how transfers are triggered.
15:06 owen Nothing that prevents us from managing.
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15:18 kf ah ok
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15:38 nengard hi all
15:38 nengard I'm wondering if someone can tell me how ot pick with *.pm file to enter a function that will be called on and
15:39 nengard I was thinking
15:39 schuster Owen - I have noticed that lately as well mainly with the items when they are returned to the loaning campus - they are not switching back to the current location library - I havn't had a chance to "test" that though.
15:39 schuster Dealing with transfers that is.
15:40 wizzyrea yes there's a giant bug around transfers
15:40 wizzyrea 1s I"ll find it
15:40 wizzyrea bug 3399
15:40 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3399 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---,, NEW, Item checked out - marked lost - checked in - switches status to 'lost' & checkout status switches to 'not checked out'
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15:48 jwagner Hi Jesse
15:48 nengard ahh pianohacker will know how to help me :)
15:48 schuster wizzyrea - looks like a vicious cycle!
15:48 nengard I'm wondering if someone can tell me how ot pick with *.pm file to enter a function that will be called on and
15:49 schuster Yes he is a smart cookie that pianohacker - and a pretty good piano player too!
15:50 pianohacker Oh dear
15:51 chris_n @translate "Spine Label" EN to FR
15:51 munin chris_n: Error: 'Spine Label' is not a valid from language.  Valid languages are: Chinese_simplified, Swedish, Romanian, Hindi, Dutch, Korean, Danish, Bulgarian, Chinese_traditional, French, Norwegian, Russian, Croatian, Finnish, Greek, English, Italian, Portuguese, Czech, Japanese, German, Spanish, Polish, and Arabic
15:51 chris_n @translate French "Spine Label"
15:51 munin chris_n: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
15:51 chris_n @translate English French "Spine Label"
15:51 munin chris_n: Spine Label
15:51 chris_n hehe
15:52 chris_n munin++ for being a translator as well
15:52 munin chris_n: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
15:52 pianohacker nahuel_: What's going on?
15:52 pianohacker Also, hi
15:52 chris_n hi pianohacker
15:52 pianohacker Hi, chris_n
15:52 * chris_n wonders if munin's French is really that good
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15:53 chris_n hdl_laptop about?
15:53 hdl_laptop yes
15:53 chris_n does 'Spine Label' say the same in French?
15:53 hdl_laptop No.
15:54 hdl_laptop Etiquettes de cottes
15:54 * chris_n did not think so :-)
15:54 hdl_laptop Etiquettes de cotes
15:54 chris_n tnx
15:55 hdl_laptop nengard: I think the Best bet be C4::Output
15:55 hdl_laptop If it is about outputing something
15:56 nengard thanks hdl_laptop that was my second option :)
15:56 hdl_laptop nengard: what was your first ?
15:56 nengard
15:56 hdl_laptop Is it About Biblio data ?
15:57 nengard it's pulling all of the lists a biblio can be found in to print on the detail pages
15:57 nengard so yes
15:58 nengard but it's also about output
15:58 nengard which is why i was confused on which to pick
15:59 pianohacker nengard: lists as in virtualshelves?
15:59 nengard yes
16:00 nengard but since it was for the biblio detail page i didn't think it belonged with the virtualsehelves stuff
16:00 nengard so many choices!!! :)
16:00 pianohacker It's dealing mostly with virtualshelves, though. My vote would be for C4::VirtualShelves, whatever it's worth :)
16:01 nengard So - in short it's mostly up to me as long as I can make the right argument for it? :)
16:01 pianohacker Essentially
16:02 nengard okey dokey
16:07 owen Maybe pianohacker or some other smart Perlish person could help me with
16:08 owen Right now there is a branchcode_loop which displays the table header with the branch codes
16:08 owen Because it's outside the ccodes loop you can't repeat the header for each set of ccodes
16:08 owen If you've scrolled to the bottom of the page you can't see the table header anymore
16:09 owen But I'm not sure how to get branchcode_loop nested properly inside codes_loop so it can repeat
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16:12 pianohacker It doesn't have to be
16:13 pianohacker Since the branchcode_loop is global, you can reference it inside ccode_loop
16:16 owen It doesn't work when I move the <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="branchcode_loop" --> inside <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="codes_loop" -->
16:18 pianohacker What does it do?
16:18 owen I get no output from branchcode_loop
16:19 pianohacker Would it be possible to pastebin exactly what you get from View Source? It's possible the template and firefox are interacting in strange ways
16:22 owen There's really nothing to see... There is simply no output from branchcode_loop
16:22 owen <!-- branchcode_loop begins here -->
16:22 owen <!-- branchcode loop ends here -->
16:23 pianohacker Let me take a look at the Perl. It really shouldn't be doing that
16:24 kf @translate German English "Spine"
16:24 munin kf: Spine
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16:34 chris_n munin needs to got to a librarian linguistics class
16:34 munin chris_n: I suck
16:34 chris_n no munin, you just need to be enlightened about a few things... ;-)
16:36 pianohacker owen: I found a way to do it (kind of a cheat)
16:36 pianohacker use to_branch_loop instead of branchcode_loop
16:36 schuster munin must be American it doesn't know another language...  like most other Americans...
16:36 munin schuster: downloading the Perl source
16:37 owen pianohacker: that makes sense. do you know why using branchcode_loop wasn't working, out of curiosity?
16:38 pianohacker I don't have the faintest idea.
16:38 owen Thanks for taking a look!
16:38 owen pianohacker++
16:38 pianohacker That really needs a half-karma, for half-solving the problem, but thank you
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17:52 Sharon howdy.
17:53 Sharon Any harm in leaving KohaAdminEmailAddress blank?  Will koha pull email addresses from the Branches table?
17:53 chris_n hi Sharon
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18:01 joetho sharon
18:01 joetho i will try that on my test server if you try it on yours.
18:01 joetho with and w/o independent branches turned on.
18:02 joetho speaking of which, I don't recall ever talking about OD email notices from a test server.
18:02 joetho Hmmm.
18:02 wizzyrea holy moly, can you imagine
18:02 wizzyrea with old data
18:03 wizzyrea everybody would get OD notices
18:03 joetho there are a whole lot of OD items in mine
18:03 wizzyrea 99.9% sure that email is off for our test server
18:03 joetho tell Sharon to turn it back on
18:03 joetho at 4:59 this afternoon
18:04 joetho So testing there won't work, hopefully.
18:04 joetho I can try it on our production server- that admin mail goes to me and there is never any.
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19:28 Sharon Question: shouldn't lifting the debarrment on a patron immediately allow them to check out materials regardless of their fine level?
19:32 owen debarrment is separate from blocks related to fines, though
19:32 owen debarrment is a simple flag on the account
19:32 owen blocks related to fines are governed by other rules
19:33 owen Of course that doesn't answer the "should" question in the abstract sense
19:36 Sharon So is there a way to lift a fine debarment without removing the fines.
19:37 Sharon other than putting in a  bogus manual payment/invoice.
19:38 wizzyrea was that a philosophical choice, i.e. working as intended, or something that just was overlooked?
19:40 owen I'm not sure, because we don't use fines... In fact maybe I'm wrong altogether. I can't find where the fines threshold is set
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19:41 wizzyrea from our testing it would appear that you are correct
19:41 wizzyrea :)
19:41 owen But are your patrons being debarred because a cron job is looking at their fines, or are checkouts being blocked (regardless of debarrment) because of fines levels?
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19:48 chris morning
19:48 rhcl3 chris
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20:03 owen What would be the purpose of "select all" on the library transfer limits page? (admin/
20:03 owen Wouldn't that be in effect independentbranches?
20:07 cait perhaps make it easier to configure if you just want to deselect a few
20:11 owen Hmm... maybe. But if your library has 45 collection codes like we do it seems impractical to have it check all for each collection code set
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20:11 * chris_n cheers as the installer passes tests on both new and upgrade installs of new labels stuff
20:12 cait :)
20:13 chris_n chris about?
20:14 chris yep
20:15 chris_n chris: can I gain any mileage (kilometerage) by formating patches against the origin which is the current HEAD rather than against origin/3.0.x which is what I developed over?
20:15 * chris_n hopes that makes sense.. 8-S
20:16 chris yep, if you do that they will be able to go into 3.2
20:17 chris so what i would do
20:17 chris is create a branch off origin/master
20:17 chris cherry-pick your commits to it
20:17 chris and format you patches therer
20:18 chris_n k
20:18 wizzyrea owen: checkouts are being blocked (regardless of debarrment) because of fines levels
20:18 wizzyrea sorry, drama here *eyeroll*
20:19 owen wizzyrea: Where did you set the fine level which is blocking the checkout?
20:19 wizzyrea 15 bucks
20:20 chris yeah the 2 things work independently
20:20 wizzyrea (I know... why would you want to temporarily lift a debarment for a patron who owes over 15 bucks in fines)
20:20 chris patrons can be debarred for all sorts of reasons
20:20 owen I mean where did you enter the $15 value? I don't even know what part of Koha sets that
20:20 chris i think there is a syspref that allows you to override the fines block tho
20:20 wizzyrea Yea, but we want that
20:21 pianohackr|work noissuescharge, I think is the syspref
20:21 wizzyrea PHW: yea, I think that's right
20:21 owen Thank you pianohackr|work. Of course I was searching for a "fine" pref :|
20:21 pianohackr|work That would be too easy
20:22 wizzyrea chris: so, concieveably, you could have the following situation: A patron gets debarred for excessive overdues, and also for fines. You can lift the debarment for overdues, but the fines debarment stands
20:22 chris exactly
20:22 chris or they are debarred cos they punch some kid
20:22 chris and have no fines
20:22 owen There seems to be everything but a fines override syspref
20:22 chris :)
20:22 chris there debarred is just a flag
20:22 owen AllowHoldPolicyOverride, AllowNotForLoanOverride, AllowRenewalLimitOverride
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20:23 chris wizzyrea: you dont need to debarr someone for massive fines, cos the noissuecharge stops them issuing
20:23 wizzyrea so... is that a philosophical feature omission or an accidental one
20:23 pianohackr|work I wrote a fines limit override, controlled by granular permission, for PTFS; it should be heading to the patches list fairly soon
20:24 wizzyrea PHW: you are always saving our bacon
20:24 owen Don't save it up too long, it doesn't keep!
20:24 wizzyrea oh, we crumble it up and put it in mayonnaise and put it with kansas summer tomatoes
20:24 chris basically debar is for when there isnt another way ... if that makes sense
20:25 wizzyrea chris, sure that makes sense
20:25 wizzyrea chris: also though, they want to be able to temporarily override the fines debarment (say, a patron lost an expensive book and is making payments or somesuch)
20:26 chris yep, you wouldnt set the debarment in that case, you would let the noissuescharge catch them, and then use jesses new fines limit override
20:26 chris if you set the debar flagged, you would have go unset that, and then still use the fines limit override
20:27 pianohackr|work Also, that same code will allow you (if you're very very nitpicky) to not give fines limit override permissions to your circ clerks, give them to a circ manager, and use a temporary override login to override fine limits
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20:27 chris debar flag is for when you want to stop someone, who otherwise koha would let borrow
20:29 * owen read "circ clerks" as "circle jerks." Must be time to go home!
20:29 owen have a good weekend everyone!
20:29 pianohackr|work Gah
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20:29 pianohackr|work Get back here
20:30 pianohackr|work owen--
20:30 rhcl bacon[…]lery/1316725.html#
20:31 pianohackr|work bacon
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20:39 wizzyrea chris: right... our people seem to think that it's confusticating
20:39 wizzyrea but I see what you mean
20:41 chris *nod*
20:42 chris seriously ppl do use it cos the kid punched another kid in the face etc
20:42 chris random things like that
20:42 chris not for excessive fines
20:46 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: is it possible to send some more patches for biblibre-integration ?
20:46 hdl_laptop Woulr it be possible for me to push on it ?
20:46 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: go for it
20:46 hdl_laptop ok.
20:46 hdl_laptop thanks
20:47 wizzyrea chris I can only imagine what people get debarred for. I"m sure sharon has some good stories about kicking people out of the library.
20:47 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: that is, sending patches, not pushing, though I can do a pull request from you if you want
20:47 Sharon fighting in the parking lot
20:47 hdl_laptop Not really wanting it.
20:47 Sharon i had to debar the boyfriend of one of my employees
20:48 hdl_laptop git send-email would be better.
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20:48 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: ok
20:48 nengard you guys are in scary libraries ;)
20:49 gmcharlt Sharon: ever have to debar any debarred lawyers?
20:49 Sharon lol nope.
20:49 * wizzyrea plays the rimshot
20:49 gmcharlt nengard: regarding bug 1001
20:49 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1001 normal, P2, ---,, CLOSED LATER, Issuing Rules Error
20:50 gmcharlt nengard: rather, bug 1003
20:50 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1003 enhancement, P2, ---,, NEW, Show what Lists the title is on in detail view
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20:50 gmcharlt perhaps - "this bib is in the following lists..."
20:50 nengard that's even more wordy than what i had :)
20:50 nengard I had 'List(s) this item appear in:"
20:51 nengard I also considered "List(s):"
20:51 gmcharlt but it flows better :)
20:51 nengard any other suggestions from others?
20:51 * nengard shakes fist at gmcharlt
20:51 gmcharlt ;)
20:51 nengard hehe
20:52 nengard Sharon or wizzyrea any preference from those in a library?
20:52 cait on
20:52 cait in lists?
20:52 gmcharlt "Lists found in"?
20:52 nengard gmcharlt that works
20:53 Sharon let me catch up, just a second
20:54 wizzyrea hrm
20:55 chris can just say i hate the word lists, its way to ambigious
20:56 nengard hehe
20:56 nengard you can say it - but i think it's meant to be ambigious
20:56 chris what lists
20:56 nengard yes
20:56 brendan chris it's saturday morning for you -- you're not allowed to say anything
20:56 chris which lists
20:56 * nengard laughs at brendan
20:57 chris for someone new to koha, id be all, wtf lists are you talking about? my list of reports? my holds queue list? what??
20:57 nengard what would you call it instead?
20:57 nengard not that I'm saying we should change it :)
20:58 chris it needs another word
20:58 chris or words
20:58 pianohackr|work find -name '*.tmpl' | xargs sed -i -e 's/Lists/Computer-managed lists of books which can be used to organize them/g'
20:58 pianohackr|work Howzabout that?
20:59 nengard we're getting off track - so right now I'm using "List(s) found in"
20:59 nengard are enough people okay with that?
20:59 wizzyrea lol STAY ON TARGET
20:59 wizzyrea :D
21:00 wizzyrea Related Lists?
21:00 nengard they're not related ... necessarily
21:00 nengard what if your list is of favorite books
21:00 wizzyrea well... they're related because they have the same book in common
21:00 wizzyrea item
21:00 wizzyrea bib
21:01 wizzyrea thignie
21:01 nengard hey - what does amazon say?
21:01 nengard off to check :)
21:01 nengard btw i love how bibliocommons does it:[…]w/669044001_bears
21:01 nengard but we don't have room for another column
21:02 gmcharlt nengard: but does suggest wording - "Lists that include this title" :)
21:02 chris see
21:02 nengard it's long - but i'd use it if you're all okay with it
21:02 chris they say collection in one place
21:02 chris and lists in another
21:02 chris as translation manager ... that sux
21:02 nengard cause they're two diff things - aren't they?
21:03 nengard they have add to MY COLLECTION and SAVE TO A LIST
21:03 chris isnt a collection just a private list
21:03 nengard no clue :) might be like LibraryThing
21:03 nengard or a private list
21:04 chris collections is better than lists i think
21:04 nengard dinner is ready - or so the barking tells me :) I'll use the final one we came up with --- Chris but then we connect to collection codes
21:04 wizzyrea listmania
21:04 gmcharlt which would be confusing
21:04 chris what was wrong with virtual shelves anyway?
21:04 * nengard eating dinner
21:07 wizzyrea I was thinking something about collections too but... collection has way too many contexts
21:07 chris ditto lists
21:08 wizzyrea engrish... is... failing... me...
21:08 wizzyrea may.... require... beer...
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21:10 * brendan enjoys watching open source discussions sometimes -- that was just an interesting one :)
21:10 chris oh its not finished :-)
21:11 chris ill live with the word lists, but i still contend its way hard to translate
21:11 brendan *agreed*
21:11 chris cos its way way too ambigious
21:11 chris it needs context
21:11 brendan I'm not a fan of cart
21:11 chris yeah, thats all a bit ecommercey
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21:13 wizzyrea perhaps another language could inform our english translation
21:13 chris lemme look
21:14 * wizzyrea likes grasping for straws
21:14 chris
21:14 chris you can change that to different languages down the bottom
21:14 chris most have gone for literal translations
21:16 chris thus carrying the confusion forward :-)
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21:22 pianohackr|work What about the old standby Virtual Shelves?
21:22 chris 09:07 < chris> what was wrong with virtual shelves anyway?
21:22 chris :)
21:22 chris im sure there must have been some reason we changed?
21:23 wizzyrea ok... what if the users make lists
21:23 wizzyrea librarians make virtual shelves
21:23 chris that might work
21:23 pianohackr|work chris: right, missed that
21:23 wizzyrea i mean, the context of list for a *patron* is "it's a list of stuff I want to remember"
21:23 chris yep
21:24 wizzyrea for a librarian it's the virtual equiv. of (example) the endcap of a shelf
21:24 pianohackr|work I think the benefits of that difference might actually outweigh any confusion caused by it
21:24 wizzyrea highlighted items
21:24 chris another possibility
21:24 chris would be a tooltip
21:24 wizzyrea true, a mouseover explanation might be useful
21:24 chris *nod*
21:25 chris that actually might be the easiest solution
21:26 * nengard back
21:27 wizzyrea example: here's a patron who made a public list, it's very amazon-y http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…].pl?viewshelf=165
21:27 wizzyrea kind of like a reading wishlist?
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21:29 chris yeah
21:30 wizzyrea maybe it would be better to do something like the following: create the lists from the tags
21:30 wizzyrea why have two functions?
21:30 chris hmmm
21:30 chris from the carts?
21:31 chris you mean ?
21:31 wizzyrea I'm thinking we already have public and private tags
21:31 wizzyrea and public and private lists
21:32 wizzyrea why not consolidate into just tags, and have a display that shows, in brief format like the lists display, all items tagged alike
21:32 wizzyrea so RAZ's scifi list would be tagged RAZ_SCIFI
21:32 wizzyrea or something
21:33 chris oh, hmm might make the tag cloud messy
21:33 chris tho does anyone ever use them?
21:33 chris (i know i dont)
21:33 wizzyrea true... but... tag clouds are supposed to be messy, imo
21:34 chris interesting idea, i quite like it
21:34 Sharon our children's librarians are making an effort to use the tagging to share storytime titles with each other
21:34 chris well seems ppl are already doing it too :)
21:35 chris as a parent, anything to make more storytimes is great by me :)
21:35 chris specially if the library has a cafe like WCL
21:35 chris here ... read my kid a story... ill be over there drinking coffee kthxbye
21:39 nengard patch submitted for bug 1003
21:39 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1003 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---,, NEW, Show what Lists the title is on in detail view
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21:40 gmcharlt nengard++
21:40 nengard couldn't have done it without chris and pianohacker!
21:41 wizzyrea but think about that combination, I will happily do a mock up of it, I think it might be an improvement of lists/tags
21:42 wizzyrea but maybe not
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21:45 chris worth doing a mockup wizzyrea, we can whack up a quick prototype .. see if it flies
21:45 gmcharlt only if you whack it from the bottom, not the top
21:45 chris heh
21:45 nengard wizzyrea and chris I'm reading back - but I think we still need both
21:46 nengard tags and lists
21:46 nengard because so many peopel don't get tags
21:46 chris i think this last week is one of the most patchiest weeks ever
21:46 nengard also - librarything started out with just tags and added collections cause of popular demand
21:46 chris nengard: maybe just the tooltip mouseover then
21:47 nengard even flickr has both - sets and tags ... it's just the way things are :)
21:47 chris sets
21:47 chris i like sets better than lists
21:47 chris :)
21:47 nengard hehe
21:48 chris but im actually leaning towards just having contextual help, like a mouseover so ppl know what it is
21:48 nengard know what what is? lists or tags?
21:48 nengard or both?
21:48 chris both
21:49 chris everything in fact
21:49 nengard hmmm
21:49 chris :)
21:49 nengard seems a bit overkill
21:50 chris well if we cant find a word that isnt ambigious, seems the next best thing
21:51 chris or we could just have help on the opac too
21:52 chris but no one ever clicks on that irl
21:52 chris or at least not the people who need help :)
21:55 nengard hehe
21:56 pianohackr|work sets++
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22:00 chris ok, time for gymnastics
22:00 chris have good weekends all
22:01 nengard i'm logging off too
22:01 nengard time to try and relax a bit
22:01 nengard ttyl
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22:54 |Lupin| goodnight everybody
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23:00 pianohackr|work Hello, Jane
23:01 jwagner Hi Jesse
23:01 jwagner Working late :-(
23:01 pianohackr|work How's the wonderful world of testing going?
23:01 jwagner Grrrrrrr
23:06 pianohackr|work Bye for now
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