Time Nick Message 00:21 chris http://www.mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ 00:46 Jo thats cool 01:05 pianohacker1 Hi, brendan 01:05 brendan heya pianohacker 01:42 pianohacker Good night 03:30 Amit hi chris brendan 03:31 Amit good morning #koha 03:34 chris_n2 g'morning Amit_G && g'night as well :-) 06:33 Amit_G hi nicomo, magnusenger 06:33 nicomo hi Amit_G and #koha 06:35 magnusenger hi Amit_G and everyone! 06:56 Ropuch Morning 07:04 kf good morning 07:10 nicomo morning kf 07:10 kf hi nicomo 07:12 Amit_G hi kf 07:12 hdl_laptop hello 07:13 Amit_G hi hdl 07:31 |Lupin| good morning koha 07:34 kf guten morgen lupin :) 07:36 |Lupin| hallo kf :) 07:44 chris morning europe 07:45 kf good evening nz ;) 07:45 |Lupin| hi chris 08:08 Amit_G hi paul_p 08:08 Amit_G hi lupin 08:32 |Lupin| hey Amit_G 08:32 Amit_G heya lupin 09:52 |Lupin| does someone know a digital library that wold be witten in Perl, server-oriented with a web interface as Koha ? 09:56 |Lupin| cause those I found (partly thanks to you all) are often in Java or have a GUI client, which makes them not as interesting as things that wold be similar to Koha in their web-based interface 10:03 Amit_G anyone done biblios.net with koha 10:03 hdl_laptop LL did 10:06 Amit_G i have integrated with koha 10:06 Amit_G but there is a problem 10:48 magnusenger does anyone know what the state of Koha in Russia(n) is? Use? Translation? 10:50 gmcharlt magnusenger: Russian and Ukrainian translations were contributed a few months ago 10:50 magnusenger gmcharlt: cool, know anything about libraries using it? 10:51 gmcharlt magnusenger: I think at least one, but not sure who 10:52 magnusenger ok, thanks 11:48 Amit_G galen: have a nice weekend 11:48 Amit_G i m leaving 11:48 gmcharlt Amit_G: you too 12:15 chris_n g'morning 12:15 gmcharlt hi chris_n 12:16 jdavidb gmcharlt, I didn't get you pinged yesterday afternoon..ended up taking the afternoon off, and working into the wee hours (some things never change...) 12:28 schuster Morning all... 12:29 gmcharlt jdavidb: heh 12:29 gmcharlt hi schuster 12:29 schuster I need to run a report showing all the holds in the system and if I can get the date the hold was placed. 12:29 jdavidb Mornin', schuster. 12:30 gmcharlt schuster: reseves.reservedate is when the hold was placed 12:30 schuster So "reserves" are the same as Holds - just checking terminology. 12:31 gmcharlt yep 12:31 schuster ok that helps. I'm trying to start using holds again with the new hold features from NEKLS and need to probably clean out some old holds. 12:33 jdavidb You could always brute-force it-- "TRUNCATE reserves;" :P 12:33 * jdavidb listens for the screams. 12:34 schuster Should have thought of that earlier this summer when I had someone go in and delete them all manually... That comes from Legacy ILS's where you never knew what would happen if you monkey'd with stuff under the hood. 12:34 gmcharlt schuster: well, even with OSS ILSs it's still a good idea to ask before randomly truncating tables :) 12:35 jdavidb It still can be hazardous, surely. But that one, in particular, would be relatively safe; there aren't many downline table cascades there. 12:36 jdavidb It's more-often a question of "do you really want that?" than "What will this break?" Picking at the code, you can answer the second question. 12:38 schuster I try not to pick code - I'm still learning how it all works together! 12:39 schuster so when I do select count(*) from reserves I get 62 - but when I do select branchcode from reserves it gives me 19 - ??? 12:39 jdavidb Hm...that is odd. Is that the whole query you're using? 12:39 jdavidb Morning, Owen. :) 12:40 schuster Ah I had a group by on there that might be it let me stretch my mind some more... Not enough coffee yet. 12:40 jdavidb Yes, that might do it. 12:41 schuster Yep it was the group by... whew. 12:41 jdavidb Cool. :) 12:41 schuster but why when I group would it eliminate some? They are in the record? how else could I sort them by branch? 12:44 schuster Oh order by - see I'm still an sql newbie. 12:46 schuster I'm very proud of myself I just did a join...;) 12:55 * owen lols at the logs from last night: "HEY!! HEY!!!! MY SLEEPING!!!!" 13:03 * gmcharlt nominates Kahu for Koha mascot 13:17 jwagner gmcharlt, does that mean Kahu has to wear one of those purple alien t-shirts at all times? 13:17 gmcharlt jwagner: no, that would be cruel ;) I'm sure we can come up with cuter Koha toddler-wear 13:18 owen The stop words area of system administration only applies if noZebra is on, right? 13:19 gmcharlt owen: technically, you can use them with Zebra, but there's no point 13:20 owen I wondered if we should hide that link when noZebra was on. 13:24 gmcharlt owen: would make sense, or at least give an indication that it isn't applicable 13:25 owen I guess it depends whether your "technically" is widely applicable enough to leave it? 13:26 gmcharlt IMO- if you're using Zebra, you don't need and shouldn't configure stopwords, so I'm in favor of hiding or de-emphasizing it 13:34 * owen notices Bugzilla is still configured to suggest emailing "gmc@liblime.com" 13:36 gmcharlt owen: good catch - I'll ping Clay about it 13:43 owen "Library Transfer Limits?" I hadn't noticed that one before. 13:44 schuster Well where have you been? That's been around since 3.0 but I've never figured out what it does! kidding on the first part... 14:22 kf reserves question: my holds queue is filled with all my holds, that looks right, but my holds to pull report stays empt 14:22 kf y 14:23 kf am i missing something? I have put items on hold which are on shelf 14:33 owen kf, I noticed the same thing yesterday. We always use the holds queue report, so I hadn't noticed the other one wasn't working. 14:34 kf I thought the holds queue was all holds in the library - including holds on books that are checked out 14:35 kf so whats the difference between holds to pull and holds queue? 14:35 kf owen: and thx for fixing my display bug! 14:36 owen Holds queue shouldn't include holds on things that are checked out 14:37 owen As far as I know there's not a report to show you *all* holds, available or not. 14:37 owen We used to do a custom report on holds which hadn't been fulfilled for a certain amount of time, but that was in 2.x 14:38 kf thx 14:39 kf I think we can do it the same way. its just important to have a list of items you need to pull 14:41 kf bug report for holds to pull needed? 14:42 owen Unless someone can explain to us what we're doing wrong. I posted a message to the Koha list yesterday mentioning this issue, but no responses to that either. 14:49 kf oh, I have not seen your mail 14:54 kf ah, I will test it a little bit more, perhaps I can find a way to get an item listed there 15:00 owen kf: it was "Re: A few Koha holds questions" yesterday 15:01 kf owen: thx 15:02 kf owen: we are testing transfers and reserves today, wanted to work on that for weeks... perhaps i can find something out 15:03 owen transfers and holds are still pretty buggy, unfortunately. 15:04 kf we need reserves - hope its not too buggy to be used 15:05 owen No, not at all 15:05 owen We use them a lot at my library 15:06 owen But there seem to be some quirks with regard to when and how transfers are triggered. 15:06 owen Nothing that prevents us from managing. 15:18 kf ah ok 15:38 nengard hi all 15:38 nengard I'm wondering if someone can tell me how ot pick with *.pm file to enter a function that will be called on detail.pl and opac-detail.pl 15:39 nengard I was thinking Biblio.pm 15:39 schuster Owen - I have noticed that lately as well mainly with the items when they are returned to the loaning campus - they are not switching back to the current location library - I havn't had a chance to "test" that though. 15:39 schuster Dealing with transfers that is. 15:40 wizzyrea yes there's a giant bug around transfers 15:40 wizzyrea 1s I"ll find it 15:40 wizzyrea bug 3399 15:40 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3399 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Item checked out - marked lost - checked in - switches status to 'lost' & checkout status switches to 'not checked out' 15:48 jwagner Hi Jesse 15:48 nengard ahh pianohacker will know how to help me :) 15:48 schuster wizzyrea - looks like a vicious cycle! 15:48 nengard I'm wondering if someone can tell me how ot pick with *.pm file to enter a function that will be called on detail.pl and opac-detail.pl 15:49 schuster Yes he is a smart cookie that pianohacker - and a pretty good piano player too! 15:50 pianohacker Oh dear 15:51 chris_n @translate "Spine Label" EN to FR 15:51 munin chris_n: Error: 'Spine Label' is not a valid from language. Valid languages are: Chinese_simplified, Swedish, Romanian, Hindi, Dutch, Korean, Danish, Bulgarian, Chinese_traditional, French, Norwegian, Russian, Croatian, Finnish, Greek, English, Italian, Portuguese, Czech, Japanese, German, Spanish, Polish, and Arabic 15:51 chris_n @translate French "Spine Label" 15:51 munin chris_n: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results. 15:51 chris_n @translate English French "Spine Label" 15:51 munin chris_n: Spine Label 15:51 chris_n hehe 15:52 chris_n munin++ for being a translator as well 15:52 munin chris_n: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 15:52 pianohacker nahuel_: What's going on? 15:52 pianohacker Also, hi 15:52 chris_n hi pianohacker 15:52 pianohacker Hi, chris_n 15:52 * chris_n wonders if munin's French is really that good 15:53 chris_n hdl_laptop about? 15:53 hdl_laptop yes 15:53 chris_n does 'Spine Label' say the same in French? 15:53 hdl_laptop No. 15:54 hdl_laptop Etiquettes de cottes 15:54 * chris_n did not think so :-) 15:54 hdl_laptop Etiquettes de cotes 15:54 chris_n tnx 15:55 hdl_laptop nengard: I think the Best bet be C4::Output 15:55 hdl_laptop If it is about outputing something 15:56 nengard thanks hdl_laptop that was my second option :) 15:56 hdl_laptop nengard: what was your first ? 15:56 nengard Biblio.pm 15:56 hdl_laptop Is it About Biblio data ? 15:57 nengard it's pulling all of the lists a biblio can be found in to print on the detail pages 15:57 nengard so yes 15:58 nengard but it's also about output 15:58 nengard which is why i was confused on which to pick 15:59 pianohacker nengard: lists as in virtualshelves? 15:59 nengard yes 16:00 nengard but since it was for the biblio detail page i didn't think it belonged with the virtualsehelves stuff 16:00 nengard so many choices!!! :) 16:00 pianohacker It's dealing mostly with virtualshelves, though. My vote would be for C4::VirtualShelves, whatever it's worth :) 16:01 nengard So - in short it's mostly up to me as long as I can make the right argument for it? :) 16:01 pianohacker Essentially 16:02 nengard okey dokey 16:07 owen Maybe pianohacker or some other smart Perlish person could help me with branch_transfer_limits.pl? 16:08 owen Right now there is a branchcode_loop which displays the table header with the branch codes 16:08 owen Because it's outside the ccodes loop you can't repeat the header for each set of ccodes 16:08 owen If you've scrolled to the bottom of the page you can't see the table header anymore 16:09 owen But I'm not sure how to get branchcode_loop nested properly inside codes_loop so it can repeat 16:12 pianohacker It doesn't have to be 16:13 pianohacker Since the branchcode_loop is global, you can reference it inside ccode_loop 16:16 owen It doesn't work when I move the <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="branchcode_loop" --> inside <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="codes_loop" --> 16:18 pianohacker What does it do? 16:18 owen I get no output from branchcode_loop 16:19 pianohacker Would it be possible to pastebin exactly what you get from View Source? It's possible the template and firefox are interacting in strange ways 16:22 owen There's really nothing to see... There is simply no output from branchcode_loop 16:22 owen <!-- branchcode_loop begins here --> 16:22 owen <!-- branchcode loop ends here --> 16:23 pianohacker Let me take a look at the Perl. It really shouldn't be doing that 16:24 kf @translate German English "Spine" 16:24 munin kf: Spine 16:34 chris_n munin needs to got to a librarian linguistics class 16:34 munin chris_n: I suck 16:34 chris_n no munin, you just need to be enlightened about a few things... ;-) 16:36 pianohacker owen: I found a way to do it (kind of a cheat) 16:36 pianohacker use to_branch_loop instead of branchcode_loop 16:36 schuster munin must be American it doesn't know another language... like most other Americans... 16:36 munin schuster: downloading the Perl source 16:37 owen pianohacker: that makes sense. do you know why using branchcode_loop wasn't working, out of curiosity? 16:38 pianohacker I don't have the faintest idea. 16:38 owen Thanks for taking a look! 16:38 owen pianohacker++ 16:38 pianohacker That really needs a half-karma, for half-solving the problem, but thank you 17:52 Sharon howdy. 17:53 Sharon Any harm in leaving KohaAdminEmailAddress blank? Will koha pull email addresses from the Branches table? 17:53 chris_n hi Sharon 18:01 joetho sharon 18:01 joetho i will try that on my test server if you try it on yours. 18:01 joetho with and w/o independent branches turned on. 18:02 joetho speaking of which, I don't recall ever talking about OD email notices from a test server. 18:02 joetho Hmmm. 18:02 wizzyrea holy moly, can you imagine 18:02 wizzyrea with old data 18:03 wizzyrea everybody would get OD notices 18:03 joetho there are a whole lot of OD items in mine 18:03 wizzyrea 99.9% sure that email is off for our test server 18:03 joetho tell Sharon to turn it back on 18:03 joetho at 4:59 this afternoon 18:04 joetho So testing there won't work, hopefully. 18:04 joetho I can try it on our production server- that admin mail goes to me and there is never any. 18:33 pianohacker brb 19:28 Sharon Question: shouldn't lifting the debarrment on a patron immediately allow them to check out materials regardless of their fine level? 19:32 owen debarrment is separate from blocks related to fines, though 19:32 owen debarrment is a simple flag on the account 19:32 owen blocks related to fines are governed by other rules 19:33 owen Of course that doesn't answer the "should" question in the abstract sense 19:36 Sharon So is there a way to lift a fine debarment without removing the fines. 19:37 Sharon other than putting in a bogus manual payment/invoice. 19:38 wizzyrea was that a philosophical choice, i.e. working as intended, or something that just was overlooked? 19:40 owen I'm not sure, because we don't use fines... In fact maybe I'm wrong altogether. I can't find where the fines threshold is set 19:41 wizzyrea from our testing it would appear that you are correct 19:41 wizzyrea :) 19:41 owen But are your patrons being debarred because a cron job is looking at their fines, or are checkouts being blocked (regardless of debarrment) because of fines levels? 19:48 chris morning 19:48 rhcl3 chris 20:03 owen What would be the purpose of "select all" on the library transfer limits page? (admin/branch_transfer_limits.pl) 20:03 owen Wouldn't that be in effect independentbranches? 20:07 cait perhaps make it easier to configure if you just want to deselect a few 20:11 owen Hmm... maybe. But if your library has 45 collection codes like we do it seems impractical to have it check all for each collection code set 20:11 * chris_n cheers as the installer passes tests on both new and upgrade installs of new labels stuff 20:12 cait :) 20:13 chris_n chris about? 20:14 chris yep 20:15 chris_n chris: can I gain any mileage (kilometerage) by formating patches against the origin which is the current HEAD rather than against origin/3.0.x which is what I developed over? 20:15 * chris_n hopes that makes sense.. 8-S 20:16 chris yep, if you do that they will be able to go into 3.2 20:17 chris so what i would do 20:17 chris is create a branch off origin/master 20:17 chris cherry-pick your commits to it 20:17 chris and format you patches therer 20:18 chris_n k 20:18 wizzyrea owen: checkouts are being blocked (regardless of debarrment) because of fines levels 20:18 wizzyrea sorry, drama here *eyeroll* 20:19 owen wizzyrea: Where did you set the fine level which is blocking the checkout? 20:19 wizzyrea 15 bucks 20:20 chris yeah the 2 things work independently 20:20 wizzyrea (I know... why would you want to temporarily lift a debarment for a patron who owes over 15 bucks in fines) 20:20 chris patrons can be debarred for all sorts of reasons 20:20 owen I mean where did you enter the $15 value? I don't even know what part of Koha sets that 20:20 chris i think there is a syspref that allows you to override the fines block tho 20:20 wizzyrea Yea, but we want that 20:21 pianohackr|work noissuescharge, I think is the syspref 20:21 wizzyrea PHW: yea, I think that's right 20:21 owen Thank you pianohackr|work. Of course I was searching for a "fine" pref :| 20:21 pianohackr|work That would be too easy 20:22 wizzyrea chris: so, concieveably, you could have the following situation: A patron gets debarred for excessive overdues, and also for fines. You can lift the debarment for overdues, but the fines debarment stands 20:22 chris exactly 20:22 chris or they are debarred cos they punch some kid 20:22 chris and have no fines 20:22 owen There seems to be everything but a fines override syspref 20:22 chris :) 20:22 chris there debarred is just a flag 20:22 owen AllowHoldPolicyOverride, AllowNotForLoanOverride, AllowRenewalLimitOverride 20:23 chris wizzyrea: you dont need to debarr someone for massive fines, cos the noissuecharge stops them issuing 20:23 wizzyrea so... is that a philosophical feature omission or an accidental one 20:23 pianohackr|work I wrote a fines limit override, controlled by granular permission, for PTFS; it should be heading to the patches list fairly soon 20:24 wizzyrea PHW: you are always saving our bacon 20:24 owen Don't save it up too long, it doesn't keep! 20:24 wizzyrea oh, we crumble it up and put it in mayonnaise and put it with kansas summer tomatoes 20:24 chris basically debar is for when there isnt another way ... if that makes sense 20:25 wizzyrea chris, sure that makes sense 20:25 wizzyrea chris: also though, they want to be able to temporarily override the fines debarment (say, a patron lost an expensive book and is making payments or somesuch) 20:26 chris yep, you wouldnt set the debarment in that case, you would let the noissuescharge catch them, and then use jesses new fines limit override 20:26 chris if you set the debar flagged, you would have go unset that, and then still use the fines limit override 20:27 pianohackr|work Also, that same code will allow you (if you're very very nitpicky) to not give fines limit override permissions to your circ clerks, give them to a circ manager, and use a temporary override login to override fine limits 20:27 chris debar flag is for when you want to stop someone, who otherwise koha would let borrow 20:29 * owen read "circ clerks" as "circle jerks." Must be time to go home! 20:29 owen have a good weekend everyone! 20:29 pianohackr|work Gah 20:29 pianohackr|work Get back here 20:30 pianohackr|work owen-- 20:30 rhcl bacon http://www.kansascity.com/938/gallery/1316725.html# 20:31 pianohackr|work bacon http://xkcd.com/418/ 20:39 wizzyrea chris: right... our people seem to think that it's confusticating 20:39 wizzyrea but I see what you mean 20:41 chris *nod* 20:42 chris seriously ppl do use it cos the kid punched another kid in the face etc 20:42 chris random things like that 20:42 chris not for excessive fines 20:46 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: is it possible to send some more patches for biblibre-integration ? 20:46 hdl_laptop Woulr it be possible for me to push on it ? 20:46 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: go for it 20:46 hdl_laptop ok. 20:46 hdl_laptop thanks 20:47 wizzyrea chris I can only imagine what people get debarred for. I"m sure sharon has some good stories about kicking people out of the library. 20:47 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: that is, sending patches, not pushing, though I can do a pull request from you if you want 20:47 Sharon fighting in the parking lot 20:47 hdl_laptop Not really wanting it. 20:47 Sharon i had to debar the boyfriend of one of my employees 20:48 hdl_laptop git send-email would be better. 20:48 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: ok 20:48 nengard you guys are in scary libraries ;) 20:49 gmcharlt Sharon: ever have to debar any debarred lawyers? 20:49 Sharon lol nope. 20:49 * wizzyrea plays the rimshot 20:49 gmcharlt nengard: regarding bug 1001 20:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1001 normal, P2, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, CLOSED LATER, Issuing Rules Error 20:50 gmcharlt nengard: rather, bug 1003 20:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1003 enhancement, P2, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Show what Lists the title is on in detail view 20:50 gmcharlt perhaps - "this bib is in the following lists..." 20:50 nengard that's even more wordy than what i had :) 20:50 nengard I had 'List(s) this item appear in:" 20:51 nengard I also considered "List(s):" 20:51 gmcharlt but it flows better :) 20:51 nengard any other suggestions from others? 20:51 * nengard shakes fist at gmcharlt 20:51 gmcharlt ;) 20:51 nengard hehe 20:52 nengard Sharon or wizzyrea any preference from those in a library? 20:52 cait on 20:52 cait in lists? 20:52 gmcharlt "Lists found in"? 20:52 nengard gmcharlt that works 20:53 Sharon let me catch up, just a second 20:54 wizzyrea hrm 20:55 chris can just say i hate the word lists, its way to ambigious 20:56 nengard hehe 20:56 nengard you can say it - but i think it's meant to be ambigious 20:56 chris what lists 20:56 nengard yes 20:56 brendan chris it's saturday morning for you -- you're not allowed to say anything 20:56 chris which lists 20:56 * nengard laughs at brendan 20:57 chris for someone new to koha, id be all, wtf lists are you talking about? my list of reports? my holds queue list? what?? 20:57 nengard what would you call it instead? 20:57 nengard not that I'm saying we should change it :) 20:58 chris it needs another word 20:58 chris or words 20:58 pianohackr|work find -name '*.tmpl' | xargs sed -i -e 's/Lists/Computer-managed lists of books which can be used to organize them/g' 20:58 pianohackr|work Howzabout that? 20:59 nengard we're getting off track - so right now I'm using "List(s) found in" 20:59 nengard are enough people okay with that? 20:59 wizzyrea lol STAY ON TARGET 20:59 wizzyrea :D 21:00 wizzyrea Related Lists? 21:00 nengard they're not related ... necessarily 21:00 nengard what if your list is of favorite books 21:00 wizzyrea well... they're related because they have the same book in common 21:00 wizzyrea item 21:00 wizzyrea bib 21:01 wizzyrea thignie 21:01 nengard hey - what does amazon say? 21:01 nengard off to check :) 21:01 nengard btw i love how bibliocommons does it: http://opl.bibliocommons.com/item/show/669044001_bears 21:01 nengard but we don't have room for another column 21:02 gmcharlt nengard: but does suggest wording - "Lists that include this title" :) 21:02 chris see 21:02 nengard it's long - but i'd use it if you're all okay with it 21:02 chris they say collection in one place 21:02 chris and lists in another 21:02 chris as translation manager ... that sux 21:02 nengard cause they're two diff things - aren't they? 21:03 nengard they have add to MY COLLECTION and SAVE TO A LIST 21:03 chris isnt a collection just a private list 21:03 nengard no clue :) might be like LibraryThing 21:03 nengard or a private list 21:04 chris collections is better than lists i think 21:04 nengard dinner is ready - or so the barking tells me :) I'll use the final one we came up with --- Chris but then we connect to collection codes 21:04 wizzyrea listmania 21:04 gmcharlt which would be confusing 21:04 chris what was wrong with virtual shelves anyway? 21:04 * nengard eating dinner 21:07 wizzyrea I was thinking something about collections too but... collection has way too many contexts 21:07 chris ditto lists 21:08 wizzyrea engrish... is... failing... me... 21:08 wizzyrea may.... require... beer... 21:10 * brendan enjoys watching open source discussions sometimes -- that was just an interesting one :) 21:10 chris oh its not finished :-) 21:11 chris ill live with the word lists, but i still contend its way hard to translate 21:11 brendan *agreed* 21:11 chris cos its way way too ambigious 21:11 chris it needs context 21:11 brendan I'm not a fan of cart 21:11 chris yeah, thats all a bit ecommercey 21:13 wizzyrea perhaps another language could inform our english translation 21:13 chris lemme look 21:14 * wizzyrea likes grasping for straws 21:14 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/ 21:14 chris you can change that to different languages down the bottom 21:14 chris most have gone for literal translations 21:16 chris thus carrying the confusion forward :-) 21:22 pianohackr|work What about the old standby Virtual Shelves? 21:22 chris 09:07 < chris> what was wrong with virtual shelves anyway? 21:22 chris :) 21:22 chris im sure there must have been some reason we changed? 21:23 wizzyrea ok... what if the users make lists 21:23 wizzyrea librarians make virtual shelves 21:23 chris that might work 21:23 pianohackr|work chris: right, missed that 21:23 wizzyrea i mean, the context of list for a *patron* is "it's a list of stuff I want to remember" 21:23 chris yep 21:24 wizzyrea for a librarian it's the virtual equiv. of (example) the endcap of a shelf 21:24 pianohackr|work I think the benefits of that difference might actually outweigh any confusion caused by it 21:24 wizzyrea highlighted items 21:24 chris another possibility 21:24 chris would be a tooltip 21:24 wizzyrea true, a mouseover explanation might be useful 21:24 chris *nod* 21:25 chris that actually might be the easiest solution 21:26 * nengard back 21:27 wizzyrea example: here's a patron who made a public list, it's very amazon-y http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?viewshelf=165 21:27 wizzyrea kind of like a reading wishlist? 21:29 chris yeah 21:30 wizzyrea maybe it would be better to do something like the following: create the lists from the tags 21:30 wizzyrea why have two functions? 21:30 chris hmmm 21:30 chris from the carts? 21:31 chris you mean ? 21:31 wizzyrea I'm thinking we already have public and private tags 21:31 wizzyrea and public and private lists 21:32 wizzyrea why not consolidate into just tags, and have a display that shows, in brief format like the lists display, all items tagged alike 21:32 wizzyrea so RAZ's scifi list would be tagged RAZ_SCIFI 21:32 wizzyrea or something 21:33 chris oh, hmm might make the tag cloud messy 21:33 chris tho does anyone ever use them? 21:33 chris (i know i dont) 21:33 wizzyrea true... but... tag clouds are supposed to be messy, imo 21:34 chris interesting idea, i quite like it 21:34 Sharon our children's librarians are making an effort to use the tagging to share storytime titles with each other 21:34 chris well seems ppl are already doing it too :) 21:35 chris as a parent, anything to make more storytimes is great by me :) 21:35 chris specially if the library has a cafe like WCL 21:35 chris here ... read my kid a story... ill be over there drinking coffee kthxbye 21:39 nengard patch submitted for bug 1003 21:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1003 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Show what Lists the title is on in detail view 21:40 gmcharlt nengard++ 21:40 nengard couldn't have done it without chris and pianohacker! 21:41 wizzyrea but think about that combination, I will happily do a mock up of it, I think it might be an improvement of lists/tags 21:42 wizzyrea but maybe not 21:45 chris worth doing a mockup wizzyrea, we can whack up a quick prototype .. see if it flies 21:45 gmcharlt only if you whack it from the bottom, not the top 21:45 chris heh 21:45 nengard wizzyrea and chris I'm reading back - but I think we still need both 21:46 nengard tags and lists 21:46 nengard because so many peopel don't get tags 21:46 chris i think this last week is one of the most patchiest weeks ever 21:46 nengard also - librarything started out with just tags and added collections cause of popular demand 21:46 chris nengard: maybe just the tooltip mouseover then 21:47 nengard even flickr has both - sets and tags ... it's just the way things are :) 21:47 chris sets 21:47 chris i like sets better than lists 21:47 chris :) 21:47 nengard hehe 21:48 chris but im actually leaning towards just having contextual help, like a mouseover so ppl know what it is 21:48 nengard know what what is? lists or tags? 21:48 nengard or both? 21:48 chris both 21:49 chris everything in fact 21:49 nengard hmmm 21:49 chris :) 21:49 nengard seems a bit overkill 21:50 chris well if we cant find a word that isnt ambigious, seems the next best thing 21:51 chris or we could just have help on the opac too 21:52 chris but no one ever clicks on that irl 21:52 chris or at least not the people who need help :) 21:55 nengard hehe 21:56 pianohackr|work sets++ 22:00 chris ok, time for gymnastics 22:00 chris have good weekends all 22:01 nengard i'm logging off too 22:01 nengard time to try and relax a bit 22:01 nengard ttyl 22:09 hdl_laptop going to bed 22:54 |Lupin| goodnight everybody 23:00 pianohackr|work Hello, Jane 23:01 jwagner Hi Jesse 23:01 jwagner Working late :-( 23:01 pianohackr|work How's the wonderful world of testing going? 23:01 jwagner Grrrrrrr 23:06 pianohackr|work Bye for now