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cait2 |
good morning #koha |
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hi cait |
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cait |
quiet here... |
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morning |
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Just finished my calls.. so grabbing a cuppa and then rolling up my sleeves to look into "consents" |
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hi ashimema |
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cait |
ashimema++ |
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I am stuck on writing/proof reading German release notes this mornign... but also kinda nice to see stuff we accomplished that way |
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ashimema |
I love going through the release notes. :-).. it reminds me of all we've achieved even though at times it feels glacial. |
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hi oleopard |
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thd: tcohen: davidnind: a while back I did some work on making gmail happier with my mail server. If it's useful, the things that helped were adding an SPF record (for all domains you're sending from), allowing the mailserver to do TLS on outgoing mail, and ensuring that e.g. HELO lines matched server names. |
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The TLS thing probably made the biggest difference that I noticed, but it was also the last thing, so they probably all added up. |
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uhusiano |
Anyone experienced error in upgrading from 22.11 to 23.05 ERROR - {UNKNOWN}: DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate key name 'illrequests_bibfk' |
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oleonard |
uhusiano: Take a look at Bug 34276 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34276 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to oldstable , upgrading 23.05 to 23.05.002 |
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ashimema: Where is the bookings branch? |
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ashimema |
there's a sandbox with it on |
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or |
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ashimema |
https://gitlab.com/mrenvoize/K[…]ed?ref_type=heads |
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oleonard |
Thanks |
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ashimema |
man additem is complicated to read |
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@oleonard thanks |
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uhusiano: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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uhusiano |
@huginn thanks |
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huginn |
uhusiano: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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uhusiano: huginn is a bot and they don't like the "@" |
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Hi marcelr |
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waves at oleonard |
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Thinking about page titles and breadcrumbs etc, when you submit a batch of items for modification, and you see the list of items and the edit form... What stage is that called? |
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oleonard |
Cataloging -> Batch item modification -> ? |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
define ... change? |
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cait |
defines changes? |
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cait |
i can't type... |
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cait |
define changes (still sounds not much better) |
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oleonard |
It's a tough one! |
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tcohen[m] |
details? |
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cait |
how do you call the step when you edit the batch item edit form |
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cait |
define batch item modifications? |
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tcohen[m] |
New? |
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cait |
it's not saved or anything... |
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cait |
new item modification ? |
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tcohen[m] |
Cataloguing / Batch item modifications / New |
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cait1 |
a sole new is bad for translating |
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cait1 |
better with context |
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tcohen[m] |
New batch item modification |
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tcohen[m] |
^^ That's for the title |
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oleonard |
I hesitate to use "New" because this is the second step, someone has already submitted the items for modification |
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cait2 |
sorry for the doubled caits... connectiivity issues |
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marcelr |
does anyone have a link to technical release notes ? |
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cait2 |
hm not sure we did them last time as a separate thing |
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tcohen[m] |
thanks, eythian |
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cait2 |
are you lookig for something specific marcelr? |
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ashimema |
'Modifications' oleonard |
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ashimema |
'Cataloging > Batch item modification > Modifications' ? |
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marcelr |
cait2 those notes for 22.11 |
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marcelr |
if they exist |
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marcelr |
i thought they did |
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oleonard |
marcelr: I think cait2 is asking whether there is something specific contained therein that you're looking for |
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marcelr |
no i am looking for the complete picture |
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cait2 |
i think if not linked or included in the general ones, we didn't do it |
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marcelr |
ok looking again in general one |
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cait2 |
marcelr: i checked, didn't find any yet |
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cait2 |
specific ones I mean |
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marcelr |
yeah i looked again at 22.05 to 23.05 but dont see it |
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marcelr |
i know Joubu referred to them |
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cait2 |
we did them for at least one release |
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cait2 |
or 2 |
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cait2 |
but I think included in the main file or at least linked from |
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marcelr |
ok well if no one can find them, it does not make sense to make them :) |
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marcelr |
thx |
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cait2 |
tcohen: ping! |
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tcohen[m] |
hola |
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tcohen[m] |
taking the kid to the dentist |
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tcohen[m] |
limited interaction heh |
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tcohen[m] |
what's up |
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cait2 |
ah, find me later? :) |
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paulderscheid[m] |
cait2 around? |
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paulderscheid[m] |
still? |
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cait2 |
now |
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cait2 |
paulderscheid[m]: blubb |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Hi, could I get an export of the 'news' from koha-community.org (and the schema)? Format doesn't matter as long as it's structured |
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tcohen[m] |
please don't make something dev only... |
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tcohen[m] |
heh |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Nah, I just don't want to scrape the posts of the site. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
s/of/off/ |
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cait2 |
i think tcohen meant to edit |
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cait2 |
i am the wrong person to ask |
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cait2 |
best you'd ask liz if she can export that database table maybe? |
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paulderscheid[m] |
liz? |
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paulderscheid[m] |
What's their nick? |
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cait2 |
it woud be wizzyrea, but she is not aroudn here often |
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paulderscheid[m] |
cait2: Yes, I agree. It will be super straightforward. |
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cait2 |
she runs and maintains the website |
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cait2 |
what about the support provider listing ? |
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cait2 |
and do you realyl want to migrate it all? maybe for makig a proposal the last few woudl be enough |
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cait2 |
i just checked, don't see an export feature in the gui |
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paulderscheid[m] |
The support providers are next, but thanks for pointing that out. I'll include it in my mail. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I could just add the last few, but at least technically it makes no difference whether it's 10 or 10000. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
<oleonard> "[off] liz bywatersolutions.com" <- Thanks oleonard and cait2 |
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ashimema |
anyone played with cookie consent much? |
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ashimema |
I'm kinda surprised we don't actually list the required cookies and what they're for anywhere in it |
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oleonard |
I usually consent to cookies when cait offers them |
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ashimema |
hehe |
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ashimema |
also.. the formatting of the consent bar when you add content.. it looks misaligned to me |
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oleonard |
ashimema: Are you talking about the state of the feature in main (see what I did there) ? |
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ashimema |
yes.. hehe |
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cait2 |
are you saying I did bad QA there? ;) |
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cait2 |
i didn'ta ssume that is was for our necessary cookies |
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cait2 |
but for extra things the library wants to offer |
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cait2 |
making it work for our non-necessary cookies would require more work I think |
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cait2 |
because you would just break the feature, we shoudl do better for our own stuff |
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cait2 |
but session cookies for example don't require a banner afaik |
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ashimema |
nope |
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ashimema |
just that after marcelr asked me to look at it in context of his work I can see some improvements for followups |
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cait2 |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Use_of_Cookies |
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marcelr |
cool |
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cait2 |
maybe a link tot hat page would be better than a list in koha |
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cait2 |
an it probably needs updating again because people keep forgetting |
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oleonard |
Yeah the cookie consent bar doesn't look right at all. Where is it supposed to be? |
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marcelr |
htg; hear from you later, ashimema++ |
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ashimema |
oh really.. it doesn't look that terrible to me oleonard? |
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ashimema |
but when you add content to it I don't think the alignment of that content is right |
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oleonard |
https://snipboard.io/RVnO1E.jpg |
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ashimema |
wow |
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ashimema |
that's not what I see |
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ashimema |
erm |
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ashimema |
anyone got any idea how to trigger the bar again if you've accepted the cookies at some point |
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ashimema |
aha |
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ashimema |
the consent itself is stored in localStorage as apposed to a cookie |
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ashimema |
lol |
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ashimema |
I missed it |
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cait2 |
maybe updat the wii page then - it still lists a cookie |
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oleonard |
ashimema: It looks right after a reset_all so it must be conflicting with something in my test data |
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cait2 |
do we have the recent yarn? |
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cait2 |
it didn't show there for me int esting |
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ashimema |
phew |
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cait2 |
ah good |
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ashimema |
so, if we're storing the consent in local storage.. should that be listed on the 'Use of cookies' page at all cait2? |
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is confused |
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oleonard |
ashimema: What do you mean by "adding content" to the consent bar? |
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cait2 |
I am actually not sure, but it shoudl not be listed as a cookie I guess? |
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oleonard |
If the law only pertains to cookies and not local storage that would be...something |
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DevendraKuvelkar[m] |
* I have configured koha on windows, however whenever i am searching for records getting the error Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1. how to resolve this error? |
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DevendraKuvelkar[m] |
I have configured koha on windows, however whenever i am searching for records getting the erro Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 |
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oleonard |
DevendraKuvelkar[m]: Koha on windows? Do you mean in a virtual machine? |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Koha + Windows = 💥 |
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cait2 |
which version of Koha? |
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oleonard |
By default the "your cookies" link in the OPAC doesn't show anything? |
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ashimema |
'your cookies' link? |
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ashimema |
where's that? |
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oleonard |
Up at the top of the page after you accept cookies |
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ashimema |
do you mean the 'View your cookie consents' button in 'Consents' |
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oleonard |
https://snipboard.io/p8E5TU.jpg |
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ashimema |
ho.. that only appears when your not logged in |
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ashimema |
I see it |
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oleonard |
I guess it's the same thing as the "View your cookie consents" display |
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ashimema |
yeah |
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ashimema |
it is |
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ashimema |
now I've found it |
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ashimema |
Yeah.. I really think there should be some default content in there personally |
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oleonard |
How else would there be content there? |
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ashimema |
two ways |
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ashimema |
add whatever you like in using html customisations (CookieConsentPopup) |
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ashimema |
and/or |
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ashimema |
add some tracking cookies to the configuration using the 'CookieConsentedJS' system preference |
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ashimema |
must admit.. I hadn't looked at the spec for this piece of work since it was first written like 3 years ago |
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ashimema |
it's enlightening |
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ashimema |
I think, whilst it's nice to have consistency in the Consents section as marcelr is asking.. that cookie control and other consent stuff are different things |
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ashimema |
I think they do belong grouped on that 'Consents' page.. but I think it's no bad think that the cookie stuff (which is all about browser side functions and tracking) triggers the modal whilst the privacy policy (and the one's marcelr wants to add) are much more about serverside/library side data handling and functionality.. so make sense as they are.. sorta |
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oleonard |
Why does closing the cookie consent modal cause the "Accept all cookies" button to appear? Closing the modal doesn't trigger anything to revoke consent |
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ashimema |
I wondered that |
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oleonard |
Does the behavior of the OPAC change at all depending on whether you consent to cookies? |
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ashimema |
No.. and yes |
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ashimema |
If you've not added any tracking cookies of your own.. literally nothing changes.. you have to have our session cookie or the site plain won't work.. so we assume you've accepted those I believe |
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reiveune |
bye |
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ashimema |
if your library has added tracking stuff and you choose not to accept those.. then the consent stuff will prevent those particular cookies from being created.. I believe |
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ashimema |
of course.. this does require you to have used the cookie consent functionality to add said cookies in the first place.. you could still add tracking behind the scenes using OPACUserJS as we did in the past. |
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ashimema |
this really needs some good documentation |
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oleonard |
Perhaps the default cookie bar should have "Accept necessary cookies" and "Accept all cookies" buttons |
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oleonard |
If someone rejects cookies should the cart be disabled? Or are we only concerned with cookies which track the user? |
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ashimema |
haha.. well |
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ashimema |
if you add your own cookies then it does display something like that |
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ashimema |
but yes.. I agree.. we should really consider what cookies we're using in Koha and make more of them optional by default |
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ashimema |
I think that was the long term intention here.. but as it took 3 years to get through we never chased it all down |
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ashimema |
it's a big job. |
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* ashimema |
uploaded an image: (13KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]rJVwBbm/image.png > |
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ashimema |
that's what you see if you've added your own cookies |
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* ashimema |
uploaded an image: (30KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]kwQCxru/image.png > |
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ashimema |
and that's the modal |
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oleonard |
ashimema: And the "essential" button allows Koha's cookies like session and cart? |
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ashimema |
correct |
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ashimema |
basically.. it allows all cookies that Koha uses at the moent |
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ashimema |
nothing has been made special in this development |
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ashimema |
the work to actually go through our existing cookies and make some optional never happened |
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oleonard |
Where does the "More information" button take you? Does it depend on your custom JS? |
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ashimema |
so really.. we should, in my opinion, at least be listing all the opac one's from https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Use_of_Cookies in that modal |
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ashimema |
it's pops open that modal in the second screenshot I uploaded |
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ashimema |
(which is the same modal you see if you've accepted and you click 'Your cookies') |
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oleonard |
It's certainly frustrating to have to think about what to do with cookies that have nothing to do with tracking users' behavior |
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paulderscheid[m] |
As advertised here's a test deployment of the website revamp on vercel: https://koha-community-org.vercel.app... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]sZjoztEvriVnaRqOp>) |
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paulderscheid[m] |
PS: There are some links which still point to the original website, also aware of that |
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caroline |
very cool! |
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caroline |
I noticed the main page is full width, but the content pages are narrow (e.g. Get involved > Get involved) |
| 16:57 |
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caroline |
I love the dark mode! My eyes thank you :) |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Yeah, it's a Layout component for articles. According to research it improves readability. The main page should be full width as a hero/landing page. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Haha, makes dev less eye-strainy :D |
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jalway |
I definitely love dark mode. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Another PS: Pretty much everything can be debated, it's not limited to the theming. Just keep in mind that we're migrating the existing site as a base and then build upon it. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Didn't want to constrain anything |
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caroline |
Where should I put ideas for enhancements to the sample data provided in KTD? The vendor type does not any make sense and it feels like it was someone who let their cat enter a vendor type as a test |
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caroline |
Is it in bugzilla? which component? test suite? |
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caroline |
or gitlab? |
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oleonard |
caroline: The sample data is part of Koha, so Bugzilla is the place |
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oleonard |
Maybe "Installation and upgrade (web installer)" for the component? |
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caroline |
it's not the installer sample data, I don't think |
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oleonard |
Huh. |
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oleonard |
So KTD is generating some kind of random data? |
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caroline |
I'm not sure it's random, it's the same as the sandboxes |
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caroline |
they come with like budgets and records and things that are not part of the installer bc it doesn't make sense to have that data for new libraries |
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oleonard |
Looks like it might be in misc4dev |
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oleonard |
https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-misc4dev |
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oleonard |
https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]f_type=heads#L240 |
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oleonard |
caroline: Joubu would be a good person to ask |
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oleonard |
I'm curious about it too |
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sees kidclamp and runs away |
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caroline |
other noob question, what is the command to open mysql in ktd? |
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caroline |
Is there a list of the commands somewhere? |
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davidnind |
koha-mysql kohadev |
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davidnind |
on the KTD readme page, but the package commands work https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]e_Debian_packages |
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davidnind |
here is my cheat sheet if it helps - need to create a proper guide! https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/1893788 |
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caroline |
thanks davidnind! I never use those commands, so it's a big learning curve :) |
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caroline |
I will learn them all one day. Most of the time I'm lazy and just fall back on my regular installation where I know how to do everything |
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davidnind |
it took me a while to get used to KTD (although I never managed to get kohadevbox working properly on my computer) |
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davidnind |
@later tell paulderscheid No need to add the Test Bibliography - this was an experiment that didn't work (we were trying to use a Wordpress module to import the current bibliography automatically from https://www.zotero.org/groups/6684/koha to keep it up to date) |
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huginn |
davidnind: The operation succeeded. |
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caroline |
oleonard-away, bug 34797 if you're curious... |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34797 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Change vendor data in KTD/sandbox |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Thanks davidnind, I‘ll remove it |
