IRC log for #koha, 2023-03-09

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04:28 dcook @later tell oleonard If you figure out how to get your kids into Koha, be sure to share the secret
04:28 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
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07:38 alex_ Bonjour
07:44 Annelisterman[m] ashimema: Ok. It makes automatically a claim to a missing bundle item. That explains it.
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07:57 cait1 good morning #koha
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09:15 PedroAmorim[m] morning
09:59 cait1 morning PedroAmorim[m]
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11:33 oleonard Hi all
11:33 TriveniChandriki[m] Hi all
11:34 TriveniChandriki[m] Batch item modification is not working in GitHub. Please fix the issue
11:36 oleonard In GitHub? What does that mean?
11:37 tcohen hola #koha o/
11:38 ashimema morning tcohen
11:39 TriveniChandriki[m] oleonard:
11:40 TriveniChandriki[m] Git installation doing. 21.05 working fine. After 21.11 koha  batch items modification not working
11:40 oleonard In what way?
11:41 TriveniChandriki[m] oleonard: Kohaclone
11:43 oleonard TriveniChandriki[m]: I don't have any special understanding of your problem, I'm just asking clarifying questions in case that helps someone else understand
11:43 TriveniChandriki[m] oleonard:
11:43 TriveniChandriki[m] https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]s_setup_correctly
11:44 TriveniChandriki[m] Koha-dev kohagit installation doing.
11:44 TriveniChandriki[m] Background job not working
11:45 tcohen TriveniChandriki[m]: you really need to provide more information
11:46 tcohen and I recommend you install Koha using the DEbian packages instead
11:46 tcohen for background jobs to run, you need to set the 'workers'
11:46 tcohen so batch operations won't work until the workers are running
11:46 tcohen The Debian packages set all the things for you
11:47 * TriveniChandriki[m] uploaded an image: (134KiB) <[…]3723698464974.jpg >
11:48 TriveniChandriki[m] We are doing in single server multiple instances and multiple kohaclone. Because we do development every client.
11:49 mtj hi TriveniChandriki[m], if you are mixing koha versions - its expected that you *will* have problems with that setup
11:50 ashimema right at the top of that wiki page you point to
11:50 TriveniChandriki[m] Same version we are doing
11:50 ashimema those instructions have not been updated since 2013!
11:51 TriveniChandriki[m] ashimema: Ya . Searched lot in Google and koha community
11:52 oleonard TriveniChandriki[m]: You seem to be rejecting a lot of good advice
11:52 ashimema you're welcome to try, but a lot has changed since 2013 and the recommended approaches all involved packages to keep things as simple as possible for end users.. the community doesn't have the people to maintain and support everything.
11:52 mtj TriveniChandriki[m]: you probably have some cut/paste typo in your setup
11:53 ashimema where is this development.. it's always good practice to try and contribute to the upstream project in open source..
11:53 ashimema that way you don't have to keep maintaining your own customisation and then ask for help when they inevitably break
11:53 mtj TriveniChandriki[m]: remember that you have tested that problem is OK, on newer koha versions
11:54 TriveniChandriki[m] mtj: Thanku so much ur help on fixing issue sip2.
11:54 mtj TriveniChandriki[m]: if you configure a working KTD koha - you can look at a working 'koha-gitify' system
11:55 mtj[…]ha-testing-docker
11:55 TriveniChandriki[m] I am trying this. Still facing issues
11:57 TriveniChandriki[m] Please help on this issue. Kindly requesting all
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12:06 mtj TriveniChandriki[m]: ^^ tcohen mantioned that you might be missing 'worker' jobs for your koha instance
12:07 TriveniChandriki[m] How to do this any steps
12:10 mtj $ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/dev1/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/kohadevbox/koha  \
12:10 mtj perl  /kohadevbox/koha/misc/  --queue long_tasks
12:15 TriveniChandriki[m] ok i will try
12:19 mtj if you created a koha instance with 'koha-create', the worker jobs should be created corrected
12:21 pastebot "mtj" at pasted "worker jobs" (21 lines) at
12:21 mtj TriveniChandriki[m]:  ^^
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12:22 mtj /usr/bin/perl /kohadevbox/koha/misc/ --queue default
12:22 mtj /usr/bin/perl /kohadevbox/koha/misc/ --queue long_tasks
12:23 mtj hmm, you should have 2 worker jobs, per instance
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12:27 TriveniChandriki[m] export KOHA_CONF=/home/mapsystems/k​oha-devnew/etc/koha-conf.xml
12:27 TriveniChandriki[m] export PERL5LIB=/home/mapsystems/kohaclonen​ew:/home/mapsystems/kohaclonenew/lib
12:27 TriveniChandriki[m] perl /home/mapsystems/kohaclonenew/​misc/ --queue long_tasks
12:29 TriveniChandriki[m] perl /home/mapsystems/kohaclonenew/​misc/ --queue default
12:29 TriveniChandriki[m] this one working
12:29 TriveniChandriki[m] thanku so much everyone
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12:39 TriveniChandriki[m] <mtj> "Triveni Chandriki:  ^^" <- Great help sir. Thanku so much sir
12:41 mtj TriveniChandriki[m]: congrats 🐱
12:43 TriveniChandriki[m] mtj: Big thanku to u and everyone.
12:43 TriveniChandriki[m] Last one month i am trying to fix this issue .
13:08 magnuse__ oleonard around?
13:08 oleonard Yes
13:08 magnuse__ oleonard: i was looking at bug 15640
13:08 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15640 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, CLOSED FIXED, Accessibility - ensure there are no titles on hover over the links (circ home page)
13:08 magnuse__ do you still think title attributes on links/buttons are a bad idea?
13:09 magnuse__ we have some rfps where that sort of thing is asked for quite specifically
13:10 oleonard In that particular bug the original problem was some links had titles an some didn't. The solution was to remove the title attributes because they didn't contribute important additional information
13:11 magnuse yeah, and i totally get that it only works for mice, not for touch etc
13:11 oleonard Contrast that with a situation where the interface element is an icon, for instance, with no associated text.
13:12 oleonard The title attribute can also be picked up by screen readers, so it has use beyond the mouse-hover case.
13:12 magnuse ah, true
13:13 magnuse so... are you saying it's more a question of we should do it everywhere or have some good guidelines on where to do it, not just sprinkle it around randomly?
13:14 oleonard In my opinion you should not need a title attribute in most cases because the link/button text should be sufficiently self-explanatory.
13:15 magnuse *nod*
13:15 oleonard It is hard to keep all the accessibility advice straight, though!
13:15 magnuse yeah, i know way too little about that area!
13:17 oleonard I'd be happy to help with specific examples, but generally I'm just Googling recently-authored recommendations.
13:19 magnuse no specific examples yet, just wanted to hear your thoughts :-)
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14:30 cait1 oleonard: i think what you said makes sense, if that helps :)
14:31 cait1 always good to have a speaking button text and not to need a title too
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14:56 emlam Morning everyone!
14:56 caroline good morning!
14:59 oleonard o/
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15:11 cait1 caroline: bug 33179
15:11 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33179 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow for libraries to automatically suppress a bibliographic record from OPAC if no items are attached
15:11 cait1 fits your recent question, I think
15:11 cait1 hi emlam :)
15:11 caroline kelly received my brainwave it seems XD
15:13 emlam hi cait! :)
15:14 thd Is this not the time of the developers' meeting scheduled to avoid international women's day?
15:15 thd https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_9_March_2023
15:16 thd Maybe no reminder was sent for the unusual non-Wednesday scheduling.
15:17 oleonard i would appear so
15:17 oleonard *It* would appear so.
15:17 oleonard It's on the calendar and everything :D
15:43 cait1 oh yes
15:43 cait1 i had it on my calendar for 45 min ago too :(
15:43 cait1 and I even did my homework for this one
15:44 cait1 tuxayo: ?
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16:44 cait1 bye all :)
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17:38 emlam Anyone know if the mail system for the koha wiki ever got fixed?
17:40 emlam asking because I've been at the "confirm your email address" stage of account creation for a while :'-)
17:46 oleonard Sorry emlam I think at one time I had the right permission to help you but I don't seem to anymore
17:46 emlam alas
17:46 emlam thanks for trying!
17:52 davidnind emlam: email for the Wiki has been working for a while now - I don't see your account in the queues for me to confirm your account
17:53 davidnind emlam: I think your account is active (but I don't have enough permissions to confirm that), maybe try a password reset
17:53 emlam Hmmm...I've tried password reset, but haven't gotten an email from that either
17:55 emlam not even in spam folder
17:55 davidnind maybe check your spam folder (your account was created on 22 October 2022)
17:56 davidnind OK, I'll find out who can reset it for
17:56 oleonard davidnind: Does it show what the account's email address is? Could that be the mistake?
17:56 davidnind Just have to go out now, but will look at later this morning
17:56 emlam thank you!
17:56 emlam oleonard++ davidnind++
17:58 davidnind emlam: userid is Emlam and email is emily.lamancusa AT
18:02 emlam still nothing. I wonder if it's getting blocked by an organizational spam filter that's deleting it before it even makes it to my spam folder
18:02 emlam thanks for confirming that I'm inputting the right email address  at least!
18:03 ashimema
18:03 ashimema It's that you?
18:04 emlam Yup!
18:07 ashimema > Only one password reset email will be sent per valid account every 0 hours
18:07 ashimema Interesting, that doesn't look right
18:08 ashimema That's display when I just tried to reset for you
18:10 emlam That's what I see when I try to reset my password too. I was assuming that was the default "don't use this feature" value and the message just wasn't coded with that case in mind, but perhaps that was not a good assumption...
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18:13 caroline What do we think of the gif here? (bottom of the page)[…]tml#making-a-sale
18:13 ashimema tcohen, do you know what $wgPasswordReminderResendTime is set to on our mediawiki
18:14 ashimema Seems clear to me caroline
18:14 caroline So we should continue to add gifs in the manual?
18:15 caroline (I wanted to update it, but my gif maker doesn't work on ubuntu 22 anymore... it makes webm files
18:15 oleonard caroline: As long as their size isn't bogging things down I think it's a good idea
18:16 caroline I like animated gifs personally, sometimes it's clearer than just a picture
18:17 oleonard Could we use webm?
18:17 caroline not sure how it would translate since it's a video file and not an image
18:20 oleonard yeah probably making it too complicated
18:33 * cait waves
18:35 cait I think a lot of people still print, maybe we need to make sure it's accessible in multiple ways (having a good writen description too)
18:37 caroline cait what would you change in the description in this case?
18:41 cait oh sorr,y I didn't look that closely
18:41 cait just mean we should not rely only on the picture in general or gif
18:42 caroline ok, I was just editing this part so I would have changed the description if it wasn't clear
18:43 cait checked now - it's super clear :)
18:43 caroline :)
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19:33 thd ashimema: $wgPasswordReminderResendTime has not been included in Koha MediaWiki LocalSettings.php
19:34 thd ashimema: Consequently it must have some default value.
19:34 thd ashimema: Of course it could be added to LocalSettings.php
19:35 ashimema I don't know whether it's needed
19:36 ashimema Just felt odd to say 0 hours in the above message
19:38 thd If it has a function, it could be added and set to some useful value but maybe the default with no setting is fine.
19:41 caroline What is the purpose of the "Nobody" permission in lists?
19:43 caroline
19:44 caroline I never understood it
19:49 thd When everyone is someone no one is anyone.
19:50 caroline reminds me of Who's on first
20:07 caroline follow up on my xml parser problem again... I didn't manage to fix it BUT I did a batchRebuildItemsTable in another context and it fixed the invalid characters and now everything works!
20:08 caroline the rebuild did cause a gazillion background jobs to be created though which was not cool...
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20:14 fridolin hello
20:15 caroline no yellow today? Are you feeling ok?
20:37 fridolin yeyyy
20:38 fridolin caroline: I dont feel blue no worries :D
20:39 fridolin I was hoping for a bot to reply
20:39 caroline oh yeah, I think they are on vacation
20:40 fridolin good for server load ;)

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