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alex_ |
Bonjour |
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wahanui |
que tal, alex_ |
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cait1 |
good morning #koha |
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ashimema |
morning cait1 |
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cait1 |
:) |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Morning #koha, morning cait1 |
| 07:07 |
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ashimema |
It's Friday 😄 |
| 07:07 |
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ashimema |
morning paulderscheid |
| 07:07 |
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cait1 |
guten Morgen paulderscheid[m] :) |
| 07:09 |
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ashimema |
question.. in German, do you generally always use the long hand 'guten Morgen' or is it acceptable and understood to just say 'Morgen' ? |
| 07:09 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
That depends |
| 07:09 |
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cait1 |
yeah it depends |
| 07:10 |
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ashimema |
ha.. fair |
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cait1 |
it's more colloquial i'd say? explaining German is like.. hard |
| 07:11 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
You can use 'Morgen' in a certain tone if you don't want to be talked to |
| 07:11 |
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ashimema |
I tend to follow-up with 'Sprechen Sie Englisch' as my German stretches littel beyond the very basics.. |
| 07:11 |
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ashimema |
but still |
| 07:11 |
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ashimema |
oh really.. that's interesting |
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cait1 |
well, that's pretty great already :) |
| 07:11 |
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ashimema |
in general the tone of 'Morning' in the UK is up beat and is a short hand |
| 07:12 |
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cait1 |
but you can say it friendly too |
| 07:12 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Yeah |
| 07:12 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
There is nuance |
| 07:12 |
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ashimema |
haha.. 'Ich möchte...' followed by pointing and 'Danke' is about as much as my brain remembers at the minute |
| 07:13 |
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ashimema |
two years of secondary school german and those are the man bits that stuck â˜¹ï¸ |
| 07:13 |
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ashimema |
not great aye |
| 07:13 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Many germans automatically switch to english if they hear an accent |
| 07:13 |
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ashimema |
yeah.. it makes us english even more lazy â˜¹ï¸ |
| 07:13 |
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ashimema |
myself included |
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cait1 |
ashimema: you should come and visit sometime with the family .... we'll practice :) |
| 07:14 |
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cait1 |
and lots of campsites around the lake |
| 07:14 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I often hear that it's hard for native english speakers to practice their german because of this |
| 07:14 |
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ashimema |
though I did end up having a challenging chat with a 7 year old german boy whilst washing up at the campsite last week ;') |
| 07:14 |
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ashimema |
between my bad german and his little english it was hilarious |
| 07:15 |
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ashimema |
yeah.. I find that in most countries people fall back to english very quickly |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I'm guilty of that myself |
| 07:15 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I'm not a patient person |
| 07:16 |
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ashimema |
I managed to practice some french a fair bit but they tend to fall back too now.. the current generation are a lot more forgiving and love seeing people try. |
| 07:16 |
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ashimema |
I picked up a fair bit of Chinese when I spend a few months there... pretty much no-one spoke english when I travelled there over a decade ago |
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paulderscheid[m] |
My cousins in Montpellier couldn't speak english to save their lives so that's always a good opportunity |
| 07:18 |
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ashimema |
Korean was plain too hard for my brain to comprehend though.. that one I ended up just using the translation gadget all the time |
| 07:18 |
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ashimema |
long before google translate though.. translations were hilarious... |
| 07:19 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I get that |
| 07:20 |
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fridolin |
> You can use 'Morgen' in a certain tone if you don't want to be talked to |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Sorry to bring work back into the mix, but yesterday I had a problem when using the upgrade hook in a plugin. It just failed whenever I used it, even... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]dMilqIMbReHEMASv) |
| 07:20 |
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fridolin |
In french same, you can say 'Bonjour' or shortly '...jour' |
| 07:24 |
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ashimema |
oh really.. I'd never have considered shortening 'Good day' to 'day'.. |
| 07:24 |
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ashimema |
that 'feels weird' in english.. haha |
| 07:25 |
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ashimema |
"G'day" maybe.. haha |
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ashimema |
hmm |
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fridolin |
like "'sup" |
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fridolin |
for wats up |
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ashimema |
make sense |
| 07:26 |
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ashimema |
so what about upgrade wasn't working paulderscheid |
| 07:28 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
After restarting plack it just errors out if I use the hook. But in the logs it only says that the compilation failed. |
| 07:29 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Even if upgrade just returns true. |
| 07:29 |
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ashimema |
oh weird.. compilation failure is strange |
| 07:29 |
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ashimema |
have you 'perl -c YourModule.pm' |
| 07:29 |
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ashimema |
just to spot any obvious compilation issues |
| 07:30 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Yeah but the problem is that it stops at Plugin Base being empty. |
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ashimema |
had a feeling you might say that â˜¹ï¸ |
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cait1 |
fridolin: the most amazing French thing for me still is camenbert diagrams ) |
| 07:31 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I tried to spot any errors with perlcritic on brutal but there is nothing |
| 07:32 |
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cait1 |
fridolin: for everyone else it's cake, for French it's cheese :) |
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fridolin |
ahah :D |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Other plugins don't have that problem on the instance I test |
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paulderscheid[m] |
s/test/tested on/ |
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fridolin |
bar diagrams are wine diagrams maybe ^^ |
| 07:34 |
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ashimema |
in english it's pie |
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ashimema |
and pie's tend to be more savoury than sweet |
| 07:36 |
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cait1 |
but ther eis apple pie... |
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cait1 |
:) |
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ashimema |
indeed |
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ashimema |
it's not a given |
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cait1 |
typical Friday |
| 07:36 |
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ashimema |
in other news.. I just got my 'TrustedSelfCheckout' stuff to work... |
| 07:37 |
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ashimema |
this is gonna need some serious Testing/QA and a fair bit of tidy up.. |
| 07:37 |
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ashimema |
but.. it's a pretty cool feature |
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fridolin |
Apfelstrudel diagrams ^^ |
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paxed |
why is it even possible to install koha without plack, if code written and run without plack can fail in incomprehensible ways under plack? |
| 07:56 |
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ashimema |
? |
| 07:56 |
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ashimema |
I run my dev env without plack all the time.. |
| 07:56 |
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ashimema |
it's slow as a dog, but I've never really noticed any horrible failures? |
| 07:57 |
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paxed |
variable scoping is different under plack |
| 07:57 |
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ashimema |
yes, indeed it is |
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paxed |
you need to pass all the damn variables as params. |
| 07:58 |
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ashimema |
what exactly are you seeing? |
| 07:59 |
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paxed |
not real code obviously, but this should show it: my $foo = "foo"; sub blah { warn "foo is:$foo"; } blah(); |
| 08:00 |
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ashimema |
that should work |
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paxed |
without plack: foo is "foo" in blah, under plack: foo is undefined in blah. |
| 08:01 |
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* ashimema |
dives into a meeting he's late for.. sorry |
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paxed |
yeap, no biggie, i'm off to summer vacay today. i'm sure to completely forget about this and get bitten about it again when i come back ... ;) |
| 08:14 |
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cait1 |
@seen liliputech |
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huginn |
cait1: liliputech was last seen in #koha 1 day, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <liliputech> morgen cait1 and paulderscheid[m] :) |
| 08:14 |
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cait1 |
liliputech++ |
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magnuse |
ashimema++ for trustedselfcheckout etc |
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ashimema |
🙂 |
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tcohen |
morning |
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ashimema |
mornin' |
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tcohen |
o/ |
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* tcohen |
just got back with some warm herbs infusion |
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cait1 |
early tcohen! |
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tcohen |
Yeah, I leave for a long weekend trip early today, so online earlier to get some things done heh |
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oleonard |
Hi all |
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oleonard |
tuxayo around? |
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domm[m] |
Can somebody explain why IndependentBranches has to "be set before going live and that it NOT be changed"? |
| 12:03 |
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cait1 |
i think maybe something about interactions that wuld be left invalid |
| 12:03 |
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cait1 |
like a hold that will never be filed or such |
| 12:03 |
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cait1 |
there wassome more info on the bug that added the note IIRC |
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domm[m] |
ok, so not some core changes to the actual data/database |
| 12:08 |
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ashimema |
nope |
| 12:08 |
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ashimema |
more that expectations would not be correct |
| 12:09 |
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oleonard |
No good info on Bug 27798, but this comment in the IRC logs: "largely it was that many unexpected things stop working. I think holds was the large one, but it affects more than expected" |
| 12:09 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27798 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, CLOSED FIXED, Independent branches should have a warning |
| 12:09 |
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oleonard |
(from kidclamp) |
| 12:12 |
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oleonard |
@later tell Joubu Were you able to get serial claims filtering by date working in Bug 30718? It didn't work for me. |
| 12:12 |
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huginn |
oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:28 |
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domm[m] |
Is it possible to have different values for LOC (or use a different list) for 952$c, depending on the homebranch of the item? |
| 12:30 |
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oleonard |
domm[m]: Authorized values can have library limitations |
| 12:31 |
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domm[m] |
Ah, great, thanks, now I see it :-) |
| 13:04 |
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domm[m] |
I see there is a docker-compose.es7.yml in koha-testing-docker. What is the timeline for switching to ES7? As we're soon starting to implement a geosearch, should we target ES6 or ES7? |
| 13:07 |
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cait1 |
bweare... the limitations also affect the advanced search afaik |
| 13:08 |
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cait1 |
bug 25439 shoudl show the status |
| 13:08 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25439 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [Omnibus] Prepare Koha to ElasticSearch 7 - ES7 |
| 13:08 |
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cait1 |
it looks like all dpeendent bugs have been marked resolved |
| 13:12 |
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domm[m] |
ok, so this seems that ES7 will be the default soon? 22.11? Or will multiple version be supported? |
| 13:26 |
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cait1 |
domm[m]: tuxayo worked a lot on those, he might now for sure |
| 13:26 |
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cait1 |
I am not sure what the 'official' guideline is |
| 13:26 |
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cait1 |
if you look at the versions of those bugs, a lot seeem to be in older versions already |
| 13:26 |
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cait1 |
backported |
| 13:27 |
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cait1 |
so we seem to expect people are using 7 already |
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| 13:48 |
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cait1 |
oleonard: the missing required on the article request form |
| 13:48 |
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cait1 |
it shows below the form fields - should it do that or better behind the field? |
| 13:49 |
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oleonard |
It must admit had to double-check, but that's the way it is on other forms too |
| 13:49 |
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cait1 |
ok, thx :) |
| 13:59 |
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ashimema |
is there a reason we display cardnumber/userid instead of name when logged into the staff client? |
| 13:59 |
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cait1 |
maybe length |
| 13:59 |
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cait1 |
userid is often smething short, whle a name can be quite long |
| 13:59 |
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ashimema |
true |
| 14:00 |
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ashimema |
but we don't apply the same logic to branch or cash register there |
| 14:00 |
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cait1 |
hm? |
| 14:00 |
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cait1 |
cash register is usually something short i'd think... or you couldmake it short |
| 14:00 |
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* ashimema |
is looking at the new UI and notes it now puts 'cardnumber' above 'branchname'.. and if you have a cash register is then adds `| register name` next to it center aligned |
| 14:00 |
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ashimema |
that looks a bit weird to me |
| 14:01 |
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cait1 |
yeah, cardnumer is not good |
| 14:01 |
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cait1 |
noone knows their cardnumber |
| 14:01 |
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ashimema |
branch is often fairly long |
| 14:01 |
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cait1 |
the whole design on top needs to be rethought |
| 14:01 |
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ashimema |
I'd rather use patron-title.inc passing in the 'short' |
| 14:01 |
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cait1 |
there is lots of prefs that add stuff there too |
| 14:01 |
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cait1 |
we need to spend more 'space' |
| 14:01 |
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cait1 |
but there is no short form for german double names |
| 14:02 |
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cait1 |
and you could easily have several smiths müllers etc |
| 14:02 |
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ashimema |
true |
| 14:02 |
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cait1 |
userid was/is a good compromise for staff accounts |
| 14:02 |
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ashimema |
fair enough |
| 14:03 |
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ashimema |
how about taking a leaf out of googles book and putting a users avatar instead |
| 14:04 |
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oleonard |
That would require that everyone have an avatar |
| 14:04 |
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ashimema |
they fall back to first initial and a random generated color |
| 14:04 |
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ashimema |
we could do similar |
| 14:04 |
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ashimema |
it would encourage photo id's 😜 |
| 14:05 |
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oleonard |
The trouble with random generated color is that it's not easy to recognize in the context of, "Am I logged in correctly or not?" |
| 14:06 |
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ashimema |
I'm still torn on the search stuff.. I have no idea how to make that nicer |
| 14:06 |
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ashimema |
is that something your working on? |
| 14:06 |
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cait1 |
yeah andphotos are a data privacy issue |
| 14:06 |
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cait1 |
don't wnat to go there here |
| 14:06 |
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ashimema |
well I say 'random'.. it's random but generated from your own details.. so assuming you don't change your name the color stays consistent for you |
| 14:06 |
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cait1 |
i tihnk we should not discuss saving even more space... but make sure all works |
| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
intranetnav |
| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
teh new library pull down |
| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
the added search option pull down |
| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
those are all prefs |
| 14:07 |
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ashimema |
new library pulldown? |
| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
yeah |
| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
youcan now have a library pull down added in staff too |
| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
it's a recent addition |
| 14:08 |
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cait1 |
behind simple search form, like in the opac |
| 14:08 |
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cait1 |
this all needs room |
| 14:09 |
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oleonard |
ashimema: I feel like decisions were made about how to change the originally accepted design which were not discussed. For instance, I'm confused by staff home page being back to the same layout. What happened to the circles? |
| 14:09 |
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cait1 |
there was a commen ton that from Julian I tihnk |
| 14:09 |
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cait1 |
on the bug |
| 14:09 |
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oleonard |
I think the circles didn't really work, so I don't have a problem with it, but I'm confused by the decision-making process. |
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* ashimema |
didn't like the circles |
| 14:10 |
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ashimema |
yeah.. I agree.. |
| 14:10 |
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ashimema |
I'm happy to see that change, but agree I have no idea how the decision was made |
| 14:10 |
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* ashimema |
can't find a pref to enable a branch pulldown |
| 14:11 |
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cait1 |
+ console.log("TEST: " + PhoneNotification ); < debugging code or can stay? |
| 14:12 |
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ashimema |
wow.. IntranetNav goes in a really weird place.. and is black text on a black background by default |
| 14:12 |
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oleonard |
cait1: Bad |
| 14:12 |
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ashimema |
looks like debugging code to me cait1 |
| 14:13 |
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oleonard |
jajm around? |
| 14:14 |
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oleonard |
ashimema: IntranetNav is not well thought out |
| 14:15 |
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oleonard |
(in general) |
| 14:15 |
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ashimema |
true |
| 14:15 |
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ashimema |
I thought I'd see what it does |
| 14:15 |
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cait1 |
ok, I'll add a comment thx :) |
| 14:15 |
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ashimema |
appears to assume you know to put it in an '<li>' |
| 14:15 |
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cait1 |
i thin it does that onw too |
| 14:15 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
| 14:16 |
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ashimema |
not well documented |
| 14:16 |
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oleonard |
ashimema: I works great if you know how to use Bootstrap menu markup XD |
| 14:16 |
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ashimema |
hehe |
| 14:16 |
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ashimema |
yeah.. I think it's not a bug with the new UI.. bug between screen and keyboard 😜 |
| 14:17 |
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oleonard |
It should be more user-friendly. Like offering to accept a list of links and automatically format it into a menu |
| 14:18 |
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ashimema |
indeed.. that would be nice |
| 14:18 |
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cait1 |
but please make sure ther eis enough room |
| 14:18 |
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cait1 |
libraries love using it |
| 14:18 |
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ashimema |
with the new ui.. i do feel like the least we could do is set the text to default to white |
| 14:18 |
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ashimema |
right now it's black on black |
| 14:18 |
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cait1 |
and especially as a one click fast thing |
| 14:19 |
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oleonard |
I think it should be automatically made into a dropdown menu, so I guess that conflicts with your one-click concept cait |
| 14:19 |
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ashimema |
ah.. it's OK so long as it's in an achor |
| 14:20 |
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ashimema |
I image it would be simple enough to make it a quick link if only one link is added and a dropdown if more than one is? |
| 14:21 |
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oleonard |
If we can dream it we can do it |
| 14:24 |
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ashimema |
lol, bug 12688 |
| 14:24 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=12688 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, CLOSED WORKSFORME, Better IntranetNav |
| 14:25 |
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cait1 |
ashimema: they have more than one... |
| 14:25 |
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ashimema |
perhaps just having clear documentation with the preference would be better... |
| 14:25 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
| 14:25 |
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ashimema |
they wanted side by side instead of menu |
| 14:25 |
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cait1 |
a menu again saves on space... but it also limites use more |
| 14:25 |
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cait1 |
right now you can put links |
| 14:25 |
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cait1 |
form fields |
| 14:25 |
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cait1 |
etc. |
| 14:26 |
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ashimema |
so in reality we can't easily do magic.. right now it's as flexible as it possibly could be.. but we could do better by documenting how to make it look like x, y or z. |
| 14:26 |
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cait1 |
if we add a lot of automation, it will also limit what you can do |
| 14:26 |
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ashimema |
exactly |
| 14:26 |
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cait1 |
that's what I am thinking |
| 14:26 |
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wahanui |
i guess thinking is so much easier |
| 14:26 |
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oleonard |
wahanui: Who told you that? |
| 14:26 |
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wahanui |
oleonard: wish i knew |
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lukeg |
hi |
| 14:28 |
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wahanui |
privet, lukeg |
| 14:28 |
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cait1 |
hm pretty sure that one iddn't go through QA! :) Bug 24857: No words |
| 14:28 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24857 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Add ability to group items for records |
| 14:29 |
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cait1 |
commit title |
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I think it changed somewhat with rebases and things |
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ashimema |
right.. I think I'm going to call it a day and spend some time with the kids |
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ashimema |
have a good weekend #koha |
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cait1 |
you too! |
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cait1 |
hm this looks odd: |
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cait1 |
+ [% IF ( itemLoo.itemlost == 1 || itemLoo.itemlost == 2 ) %] [%# FIXME Why only for 1 or 2? Shouldn't we test for withdrawn as well? %] |
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cait1 |
<span class="lost">Unavailable (lost or missing)</span> |
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cait1 |
[% END %] |
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cait1 |
should we not just do >0? |
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cait1 |
and display the LOST description? |
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cait1 |
koha... never stops to surprise :) |
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cait1 |
I filed it |
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cait1 |
have a nice weekend #koha! |
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ashimema |
* Also need to check new staff UI for mobile view.. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Have a nice weekend #koha |
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tuxayo |
Hi :) |
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tuxayo |
does Offline circulation works for anyone? |
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tuxayo |
(checkout) |
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