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wajasu |
is that why i saw smtp server configuration? it new |
| 00:14 |
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wajasu |
what about uucp? |
| 00:14 |
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wajasu |
just kidding. |
| 01:27 |
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wajasu |
for all my historical notices with <<biblio.title>> syntax, must i change to [% biblio.title %] or are both substitutions supported? |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
bidet, reiveune |
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cait |
good morning #koha :) |
| 06:51 |
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cait |
didier++ |
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| 12:00 |
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cait |
very very quiet today |
| 12:49 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Hi #koha |
| 12:51 |
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cait |
hi paulderscheid[m] :) finally no longer alone here... |
| 12:51 |
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Joubu |
be little more calm please |
| 12:52 |
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cait |
more calm?! |
| 12:52 |
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* cait |
is totally calm |
| 12:53 |
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Joubu |
compared to others you are not |
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oleonard |
BANG |
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* oleonard |
slamming open the door |
| 13:10 |
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oleonard |
What's up kids |
| 13:13 |
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reks |
Greetings, I am trying to find a setting that sends a notification when things are checked in or out to an email as well as overdue notices. |
| 13:14 |
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oleonard |
reks: Look at Tools -> Overdue notice/status triggers for setting the schedule of overdue notices |
| 13:15 |
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oleonard |
reks: Notices on check-in or checkout are governed by patron messaging preferences which are set at the patron level |
| 13:15 |
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oleonard |
reks: See the EnhancedMessagingPreferences and EnhancedMessagingPreferencesOPAC system preferences |
| 13:18 |
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reks |
Okay so in overdue notice/status triggers that is sending an email to the patron or this generic email that a staff member uses? |
| 13:21 |
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oleonard |
Overdue notices are sent to the patron on a schedule you define, triggered by a cron job you have to set up. |
| 13:24 |
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reks |
Thank you for your help. |
| 13:28 |
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oleonard |
Joubu did you investigate the option of using a time-only Flatpickr in the staff interface curbside pickup form? |
| 13:30 |
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oleonard |
Joubu, cait, I've been working on the style of the OPAC interface: https://snipboard.io/CYbH5d.jpg |
| 13:43 |
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Joubu |
oleonard: nope |
| 13:44 |
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Joubu |
that looks great :) |
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marcelr |
o/ |
| 14:06 |
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cait |
oleonard: preeetty! |
| 14:07 |
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cait |
...and thx for making some noise :) oleonard++ |
| 14:11 |
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oleonard |
Oh, Joubu and cait I should point out that I removed the count of existing pickups from the display in the OPAC. I felt that it wasn't relevant information from the patron's perspective. What do you think? |
| 14:16 |
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Joubu |
Maybe it was a behaviour from the plugin I've kept. Or me who wanted to add more info. But you might be right, that's not useful for the OPAC user |
| 14:19 |
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oleonard |
An example with a time disabled because there are too many existing appointments: https://snipboard.io/RQmHn2.jpg |
| 14:21 |
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Joubu |
do we have a tooltip to explain why it's disabled? |
| 14:22 |
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oleonard |
I think that's a good idea |
| 14:23 |
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cait |
i think in staff it makes sense, but as you said, not relevant for the opac user |
| 14:23 |
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cait |
hm |
| 14:23 |
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cait |
could it be a use case that a family wants to shcedule multiple at the same time but for different accounts? |
| 14:25 |
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oleonard |
Even with the count shown there it is theoretically a possibility that someone else is selecting the same time |
| 14:25 |
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cait |
true |
| 14:26 |
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cait |
the red cross blood donaton site has a similar interface |
| 14:26 |
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cait |
they show the number, so you cant ry and schedule with family members for open slots |
| 14:32 |
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| 14:39 |
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Joubu |
lot of new ERM enhancements applied on the sandbox today ;) |
| 14:43 |
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cait |
I wanted to look into KBART; but it's so warm today! |
| 14:45 |
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cait |
*melting* |
| 14:46 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Does someone know how I can use a shared "library" of modules between /var/lib... for the opac stuff and /usr/share... for the main module? |
| 14:46 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
When using plugins |
| 14:49 |
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cait |
sorry, no idea - Joubu maybe? |
| 14:50 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Also I'd appreciate some help with Koha::Email. I want to send a message to the KohaAdminEmailAdress after a task has been executed. Where can I find an example? |
| 14:51 |
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caroline_crazycatlady |
with a plugin or within Koha? |
| 14:51 |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 31288: Regression tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]52ccdd4b3f28b3a03> |
| 14:51 |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 31288: (QA follow-up) Check userenv in disown_or_delete <https://git.koha-community.org[…]6b7e9c7d37e10e698> |
| 14:51 |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 31220: (QA follow-up) Add missing filter <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d55454d333759f599> |
| 14:51 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
With a plugin |
| 14:51 |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 31220: Pass label batch and ids to label-create-pdf <https://git.koha-community.org[…]721fb139ced45a532> |
| 14:51 |
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caroline_crazycatlady |
I only know the patron emailer plugin that sends emails... |
| 14:51 |
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cait |
paulderscheid[m]: i think not a lot go to the global address these days, sec |
| 14:52 |
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cait |
mostly a fallback |
| 14:52 |
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caroline_crazycatlady |
there is emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced I think that goes to KohaAdminEmailAddress |
| 14:52 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Any full blown example of Koha::Email will work |
| 14:52 |
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cait |
caroline_crazycatlady: good one caroline |
| 14:53 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Not even sure that it's the right module |
| 14:53 |
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cait |
paulderscheid[m]: are you sure you want kohaadmin? |
| 14:53 |
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cait |
for us that#s usually only a noreply@ |
| 14:53 |
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cait |
and the real one is in replyto |
| 14:53 |
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Joubu |
paulderscheid[m]: I don't understand your question. A perl module? from Koha? |
| 14:54 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Wait, I'll make a screenshot |
| 14:54 |
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Joubu |
(your first question) |
| 14:54 |
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cait |
paulderscheid[m]: i think you could use EnqueueLetter |
| 14:54 |
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cait |
that uses Koha::Email internally somewhere |
| 14:54 |
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cait |
https://git.koha-community.org[…]ggestions.pm#L290 |
| 14:54 |
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cait |
that has the fallbacks yo'd probably want - pref, replyToDefault, KohaAdminEmailAddress |
| 14:56 |
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cait |
youc an also send enqueued immediately - there is a line that needs to be added, the self registration verification mail has it |
| 14:56 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Thanks cait |
| 14:58 |
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Joubu |
paulderscheid[m]: recent example on bug 28787 in Koha/REST/V1/TwoFactorAuth.pm |
| 14:58 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Send a notice with the TOTP token |
| 14:58 |
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Joubu |
It's sending a TOTP by email, so generate the notice then send them |
| 14:58 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
https://snipboard.io/KQgMkB.jpg |
| 14:58 |
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Joubu |
but indeed there are other examples in the code base (28787 is not pushed yet) |
| 14:59 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Thanks Joubu |
| 15:00 |
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Joubu |
Calendar should not be in "opac" |
| 15:00 |
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cait |
Joubu: did the original curbside plugin have a shared library somehow? wonder if I read that somewhere...b ut maybe it was objects |
| 15:00 |
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Joubu |
it should be Koha::Plugin::...::RoomReservations::Calendar |
| 15:01 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Joubu: You're right, I left it until now because I didn't know how to share it |
| 15:01 |
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Joubu |
the plugin dir is in PERL5LIB, so you can 'use' the module if it's correctly written |
| 15:01 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Ok |
| 15:01 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I'll try that |
| 15:01 |
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Joubu |
"package" line must be Koha::Plugin::... following the path |
| 15:05 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
It just works 0.0 |
| 15:05 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Thanks again Joubu |
| 15:06 |
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cait |
Joubu++ # even if he called me loud earlier... |
| 15:07 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Joubu++ |
| 15:08 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I bow to you, sir. |
| 15:17 |
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| 15:40 |
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tcohen |
rmaints: please consider bug 30918 and friends for the next point releases. It is a big deal for several libraries |
| 15:40 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30918 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to stable , Non-public note is visible in OPAC in Title Notes tab |
| 15:40 |
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tcohen |
oh, lukeg++ |
| 16:09 |
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oleonard |
Did we lose the ability to log in with a card number or is my system messed up somehow? |
| 16:30 |
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oleonard |
I'm confused by the outcome of Bug 31138. It appears that this triggers a "Something went wrong when loading the table." error when we try to initialize a DataTable when no table exists. |
| 16:30 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31138 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , DataTables is not raising error to the end user |
| 16:59 |
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reiveune |
bye |
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fridolin |
yellow |
| 18:08 |
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fridolin |
wahanui: yellow |
| 18:08 |
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wahanui |
fridolin: sorry... |
| 18:08 |
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fridolin |
no sens of humor ^^ |
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thd |
tcohen are you present |
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| 19:35 |
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tuxayo |
Does anyone know how to check that a perl lib package is present in our repo? |
| 19:35 |
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tuxayo |
I don't know how to navigate https://debian.koha-community.org/ |
| 20:12 |
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fridolin |
https://wiki.biblibre.com/pole[…]ludo#fourche_2111 |
| 20:12 |
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fridolin |
oups |
| 20:12 |
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fridolin |
https://debian.koha-community.[…]ry-amd64/Packages |
| 20:12 |
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fridolin |
tuxayo: here is an example |
| 20:12 |
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fridolin |
or you may install the repo and use apt-cache policy |
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| 21:09 |
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thd |
Is there a meeting now? |
| 21:09 |
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rangi[m] |
i think so |
| 21:09 |
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davidnind[m] |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting 3 August 2022 |
| 21:09 |
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huginn` |
Meeting started Wed Aug 3 21:09:54 2022 UTC. The chair is davidnind[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:09 |
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huginn` |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 21:09 |
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huginn` |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_3_august_2022' |
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| 21:09 |
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aleisha |
kia ora! |
| 21:10 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Introductions |
| 21:10 |
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davidnind[m] |
#info David Nind, New Zealand |
| 21:10 |
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alexbuckley |
#info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT NZ |
| 21:10 |
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aleisha |
#info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT NZ |
| 21:10 |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 21:10 |
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rangi[m] |
#info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT NZ |
| 21:11 |
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davidnind[m] |
#chair tuxayo |
| 21:11 |
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huginn` |
Current chairs: davidnind[m] tuxayo |
| 21:13 |
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| 21:13 |
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davidnind[m] |
I'll give it another couple of minutes, not sure where everyone is today... |
| 21:14 |
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cait |
here |
| 21:14 |
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rangi[m] |
i think katrin is on the way |
| 21:14 |
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rangi[m] |
hehe see |
| 21:15 |
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cait |
what a coincidence, noone told me to come here |
| 21:15 |
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rangi[m] |
heh |
| 21:15 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Announcements |
| 21:16 |
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davidnind[m] |
Any announcements/events anyone is aware of? |
| 21:16 |
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rangi[m] |
not from me |
| 21:16 |
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cait |
oh did we info already? |
| 21:17 |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 21:17 |
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rangi[m] |
we did |
| 21:17 |
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davidnind[m] |
#info Closing date for registrations for KohaCon22 is 31 August 2022 |
| 21:17 |
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davidnind[m] |
#link https://koha-us.org/events/conferences/kohacon22/ |
| 21:18 |
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davidnind[m] |
#info Closing date for KohaCon23 proposals is 6 September 2022 (none yet) https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon23_Proposals |
| 21:18 |
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davidnind[m] |
I'll send out a reminder about KohaCon23 proposals this week |
| 21:19 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) |
| 21:20 |
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rangi[m] |
i need to convince frido to propose tahiti for kohacon23 :) |
| 21:20 |
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davidnind[m] |
+1 |
| 21:20 |
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davidnind[m] |
Not sure whether tcohen is around, so will skip |
| 21:21 |
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rangi[m] |
maybe they all turned up yesterday like I did when i read the time wrong :) |
| 21:22 |
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cait |
I think we messed up the calendar entry a little |
| 21:22 |
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cait |
so some migh tnot have seen it |
| 21:22 |
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davidnind[m] |
oops - that is probably my fault... |
| 21:23 |
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cait |
no, I think we missed that the script didn't work right |
| 21:23 |
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cait |
not your fault at all |
| 21:24 |
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davidnind[m] |
I think we should carry on then, anyone got some radical proposals? 🙂 |
| 21:24 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 21:24 |
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cait |
... I am trying, but too tired to come up with something |
| 21:25 |
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davidnind[m] |
Are any of the release maintainers around, otherwise will skip |
| 21:26 |
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davidnind[m] |
#info Maintenance releases were released for all supported versions, was also a security release as well |
| 21:27 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Updates from the QA team |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
oh sorry |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
not much new, just the usual: numbers in the queues are a bit high, but we are working on it an dther ehas been movement |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
we had some big patches pushed |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
item bundles, curbside pickups, patrons being able to cancel waiting holds |
| 21:29 |
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rangi[m] |
oh cool |
| 21:29 |
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davidnind[m] |
nice! |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
summer holidays on this half of the globe and Joubu leaving very soon now will mean less QA'ers for quite a while |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
hope the remaining can step up their game a bit (including me) :) |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
join the QA team, we have cookies! |
| 21:30 |
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cait |
(ok... the cookies are jus software cookies... but join anyway!) |
| 21:30 |
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davidnind[m] |
🪠|
| 21:30 |
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cait |
that's it from me, any questions? :) |
| 21:31 |
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davidnind[m] |
thanks cait! |
| 21:31 |
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rangi[m] |
you should make a proposal that people have to send the qa team cookies |
| 21:31 |
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rangi[m] |
ill vote for it |
| 21:32 |
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cait |
:) |
| 21:32 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Status of roadmap projects |
| 21:33 |
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thd |
Wiki now restoring in pg_restore with no errors by using Debian 8 for restore and DB migration. |
| 21:34 |
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rangi[m] |
cool |
| 21:34 |
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davidnind[m] |
No release manager, so deferred unless anyone has an update on specific items https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap |
| 21:34 |
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cait |
thd: is end of August still the goal? |
| 21:34 |
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thd |
The further from Debian the more errors reported by pg_restore. |
| 21:35 |
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thd |
We might start migrating next week. |
| 21:35 |
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cait |
awesome |
| 21:35 |
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davidnind[m] |
thd++ |
| 21:36 |
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thd |
The pg_restore errors were probably false warnings but were scary. |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
thd++ |
| 21:36 |
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thd |
https://koha-mw-pg-test02.agog[…]om/wiki/Main_Page Postgres restore in Debian 8 pg_restore no errors. |
| 21:36 |
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thd |
https://koha-mw-my-test02.agog[…]om/wiki/Main_Page MySQL migration in Debian 8 |
| 21:37 |
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thd |
https://koha-mw-my-test00-upgr[…]om/wiki/Main_Page Upgraded to LTS Debian 10 but not currently built from error free pg_restore. |
| 21:37 |
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davidnind[m] |
Sandbox available for ERM module using Vue - https://staff-erm.sandboxes.bi[…]n/koha/erm/erm.pl |
| 21:38 |
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thd |
Debian 10 was easy. Debian 8 was tricky. |
| 21:38 |
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tuxayo |
aaaaah there is a meeting!!!! |
| 21:38 |
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thd |
tcohen found a good Docker container to use. |
| 21:38 |
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cait |
you are just in time |
| 21:38 |
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thd |
https://github.com/CanastaWiki[…]master/Dockerfile |
| 21:38 |
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rangi[m] |
ohh the ERM module is looking good |
| 21:39 |
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davidnind[m] |
plus a nice sneak preview https://bywatersolutions.com/e[…]es-sneak-peek-erm |
| 21:39 |
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tuxayo |
#info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo IT, France |
| 21:39 |
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cait |
Joubu said he pushed some more updates/enh just today |
| 21:39 |
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cait |
so might be worth haveing another look |
| 21:40 |
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cait |
(ERM) |
| 21:40 |
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davidnind[m] |
excellent! |
| 21:40 |
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wahanui |
darn tootin' it is. |
| 21:41 |
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davidnind[m] |
I haven't had a chance to look at the staff interface redesign recently, but I think good progress is being made - some recent discussion on the mailing list |
| 21:41 |
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cait |
there also is a sandbox now |
| 21:41 |
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cait |
dedicated, so everyone can have a look |
| 21:42 |
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davidnind[m] |
cool |
| 21:42 |
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aleisha |
it looks very cool! |
| 21:42 |
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alexbuckley |
yes very impressive :) |
| 21:42 |
|
aleisha |
we had some thoughts about the icons in the search bar (i.e. search patrons, check out etc) being a bit ambiguous. it would be cool if the text changed when you hovered on them, rather than just having alt text, otherwise you're required to click |
| 21:42 |
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cait |
i think the search bar is the most dicussed feature |
| 21:43 |
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aleisha |
understandably |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
there have been accessibility concerns |
| 21:43 |
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tuxayo |
#info dedicated sandbox to view the staff interface redesign: https://sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ |
| 21:43 |
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davidnind[m] |
#link https://staff-bug30952.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
and I think it might clash with soem of our 'sysprefed' features that go there |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
so that is probably the area that needs the most work an dmaybe some ideas still |
| 21:43 |
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aleisha |
true true |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
move on? |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
so quiet :) |
| 21:46 |
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davidnind[m] |
#info Thanks for those reviewing the staff interface redesign, please continue to provide feedback on bug 30952 and can preview at https://staff-bug30952.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ |
| 21:46 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , New interface for staff client |
| 21:46 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Actions from last meeting |
| 21:47 |
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davidnind[m] |
Extended support/LTS release is the on the agenda for voting, postpone the other items? |
| 21:48 |
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cait |
ok for me |
| 21:48 |
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davidnind[m] |
#action liliputech (deferred from previous meeting) discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. |
| 21:48 |
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tuxayo |
yes |
| 21:48 |
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davidnind[m] |
tuxayo? |
| 21:48 |
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wahanui |
tuxayo is on a role |
| 21:48 |
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tuxayo |
«postpone the other items?» it was about that ^^" |
| 21:48 |
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davidnind[m] |
sorry, meant any update on your action point? |
| 21:48 |
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tuxayo |
ah |
| 21:49 |
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tuxayo |
i moved it to the coding guidelines section of the agenda |
| 21:49 |
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tuxayo |
(I just did that ^^") |
| 21:49 |
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tuxayo |
So we will get to it |
| 21:49 |
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davidnind[m] |
thanks! |
| 21:49 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 21:50 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Vote on LTS version |
| 21:50 |
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davidnind[m] |
Who would like to summarise the proposal? |
| 21:50 |
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davidnind[m] |
Then we can vote, if we think there are enough people here... |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
it's a little late here, but I can try |
| 21:51 |
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tuxayo |
I can get stuff from the tickets |
| 21:51 |
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davidnind[m] |
thanks cait |
| 21:51 |
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tuxayo |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=31008#c1 |
| 21:51 |
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huginn` |
Bug 31008: new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Long Term Support (LTS) version of Koha |
| 21:51 |
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cait |
we have worked out some models for how an LTS could work |
| 21:52 |
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cait |
the main differences are in overlap time and maintainers required |
| 21:52 |
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cait |
could someone post the link? |
| 21:52 |
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tuxayo |
#info graph of LTS proposal https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 |
| 21:52 |
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cait |
we ended up mostly agreeing that we will need 4 rmaints, to ensure that the normal versions are ther elong enough, overlap is long enough etc. |
| 21:52 |
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rangi[m] |
yeah |
| 21:53 |
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cait |
so we should decide what we want - each mode is summarized on the right of the example |
| 21:53 |
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cait |
mode = model |
| 21:53 |
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cait |
and then the next question would be to name the first (second if you count 19.11) LTS |
| 21:53 |
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cait |
I think at the moment it's only a quesiton between 22.05 and 22.11 |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
the older ones are probably too late |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
tuxayo: anything to add? |
| 21:55 |
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tuxayo |
Mandate = security + things that are broken (APIs (external), dependencies (such as Elasticsearch), etc) + essential backports only once past oldoldstable |
| 21:55 |
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tuxayo |
Irregular release - only when something is needed once past oldoldstable |
| 21:56 |
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rangi[m] |
i think irregular release makes sense to me |
| 21:56 |
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rangi[m] |
for an lts |
| 21:57 |
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tuxayo |
With the last info, most of the proposal should be here and in the table link |
| 21:57 |
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davidnind[m] |
I'm just formatting the 2 questions for voting - hope I get it right! |
| 21:57 |
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cait |
thx davidnind[m] |
| 21:58 |
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davidnind[m] |
#startvote Which Koha version will be the first LTS version? 22.05, 22.11 |
| 21:58 |
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huginn` |
Begin voting on: Which Koha version will be the first LTS version? Valid vote options are 22, 05, 22, 11. |
| 21:58 |
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huginn` |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 21:58 |
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tuxayo |
> i think irregular release makes sense to me |
| 21:58 |
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tuxayo |
That's what makes it doable to find a 4th RMaint otherwise it would be too much of a commitment for limited value. |
| 21:58 |
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cait |
the idea is to ensure we have a version that can be used by people who don't manage to update that often and still have security patches |
| 21:58 |
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cait |
i think sticking ot scheudle might be nice as long as you still have bug fixes... but when it dwindles you can skip |
| 21:58 |
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cait |
up to the rmaint then in the later phase of maintenance |
| 21:58 |
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davidnind[m] |
argh, formatted wrong will try again.. |
| 21:59 |
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davidnind[m] |
#endvote |
| 21:59 |
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huginn` |
Voted on "Which Koha version will be the first LTS version?" Results are |
| 21:59 |
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davidnind[m] |
#startvote Which Koha version will be the first LTS version? 22-05, 22-11 |
| 21:59 |
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huginn` |
Begin voting on: Which Koha version will be the first LTS version? Valid vote options are 22-05, 22-11. |
| 21:59 |
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huginn` |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 22:00 |
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tuxayo |
#vote abstain |
| 22:00 |
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huginn` |
tuxayo: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are 22-05, 22-11. |
| 22:00 |
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tuxayo |
I have no idea what is best |
| 22:00 |
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tuxayo |
i know! |
| 22:00 |
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davidnind[m] |
#vote 22-11 |
| 22:00 |
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rangi[m] |
#vote 22-11 |
| 22:00 |
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thd |
#vote 22-11 |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
#vote 22-11 |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
I'll just vote what everyone else voted :P |
| 22:01 |
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alexbuckley |
#vote 22-11 |
| 22:01 |
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fridolin |
#info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti |
| 22:01 |
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thd |
tuxayo: the latter option gives more time to approach the issue. |
| 22:01 |
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fridolin |
#vote 22-11 |
| 22:01 |
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fridolin |
sorry, i was too focused did not trick time |
| 22:01 |
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tuxayo |
Is there any difference on which of XX.05 or XX.11 tends to be most stable when reaching oldstable? |
| 22:01 |
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fridolin |
trask |
| 22:01 |
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fridolin |
track |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
yeah, I'd have preferred 22-05 a little, but it's ok as long as we get the ball rolling :) |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
tuxayo: not really... depends on a lot of things |
| 22:02 |
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tuxayo |
ok |
| 22:02 |
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fridolin |
we use xx-11 at biblibre but it is hazard |
| 22:02 |
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fridolin |
from first version 16.11 i bet |
| 22:03 |
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rangi[m] |
i picked 22.11 cos we just have more time to get sorted out :) |
| 22:03 |
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thd |
:) |
| 22:03 |
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tuxayo |
fridolin: I don't think so, it's because you are on the north hemisphere and libraries prefer major upgrades in summer. Isn't it that? |
| 22:03 |
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fridolin |
ahhh maybe |
| 22:03 |
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cait |
yeah, it got too late for 22.05 probably |
| 22:03 |
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davidnind[m] |
you have one minute to cast/change your vote |
| 22:03 |
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fridolin |
using xx.05 woould be too fresh for july in deed |
| 22:04 |
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cait |
I stand with my vote :) |
| 22:04 |
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tuxayo |
But for LTS the hemisphere thing doesn't change anything if we choose to have a year of overlap (4 RMaint constantly) |
| 22:05 |
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fridolin |
we just need good brain hemispheres ^^ |
| 22:05 |
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davidnind[m] |
#endvote |
| 22:05 |
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huginn` |
Voted on "Which Koha version will be the first LTS version?" Results are |
| 22:05 |
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huginn` |
22-11 (6): cait, rangi[m], fridolin, alexbuckley, davidnind[m], thd |
| 22:05 |
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tuxayo |
🎉 |
| 22:05 |
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cait |
I love decisions |
| 22:05 |
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cait |
next! :) |
| 22:05 |
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davidnind[m] |
#agreed The first LTS/extended support version will be 22.11 |
| 22:05 |
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davidnind[m] |
not sure how to phrase the next question - can anyone help |
| 22:05 |
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tuxayo |
So how many RMaint? |
| 22:06 |
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cait |
I think maybe... sec |
| 22:07 |
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cait |
1-3-1, 1.5-3-1, 1.5-3.5-1.5 |
| 22:07 |
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tuxayo |
👀 |
| 22:07 |
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fridolin |
!bingo |
| 22:07 |
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cait |
that's regular regular releases, LTS release, overlap of LTS |
| 22:07 |
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cait |
or...1 2 and 3 from the calc document |
| 22:08 |
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cait |
but that might go away some day |
| 22:08 |
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tuxayo |
> but that might go away some day |
| 22:08 |
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tuxayo |
indeed |
| 22:08 |
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tuxayo |
Ah I get it |
| 22:10 |
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cait |
I lean towards the last at the moment |
| 22:10 |
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cait |
every 4th release is an LTS |
| 22:10 |
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tuxayo |
1-3-1, 1.5-3-1, 1.5-3.5-1.5 |
| 22:10 |
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tuxayo |
length of support for regular releases - length of support for LTS - duration of LTS overlap(the 1st 6months are when the release is "stable" so not stable enough for migration, subtract 6mo to get the safe overlap) |
| 22:10 |
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cait |
and you have 1.5 overlap.. which should work with all seasons |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
do people have an idea what they want? |
| 22:11 |
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tuxayo |
certainly not 1-3-1 because it's not possible to upgrade every year and choose when to do so. You are forced |
| 22:12 |
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thd |
4 years is not in the spreadsheet is it? |
| 22:12 |
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tuxayo |
1.5-3.5-1.5 (the last) works better no matter when they want to upgrade |
| 22:13 |
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tuxayo |
> 4 years is not in the spreadsheet is it? |
| 22:13 |
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tuxayo |
Was a 4years proposal made? |
| 22:13 |
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thd |
sorry 4 releases is not in the spreadsheet. |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
I meant evey 4th is an lts |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
what do you mean by 4 releases? |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
we'll always maintain 4 parallel |
| 22:14 |
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thd |
Ah ok |
| 22:14 |
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tuxayo |
1.5-3-1 and 1.5-3.5-1.5 (proposal 2 and 3) have 4 un parallel |
| 22:14 |
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davidnind[m] |
So question would be: Use every 4th version as the LTS/extended support version of Koha (see https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 for details)? Yes, No |
| 22:15 |
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tuxayo |
That doesn't discriminate between the 3 proposals |
| 22:15 |
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tuxayo |
They all work with LTS being one of every 4th release |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
yes |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
the difference is the overlap time |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
in general the mainenance times and such |
| 22:16 |
|
* fridolin |
goes to lunch will read the logs |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
I know i prefer the 3rd |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
tuxayo persuaded me |
| 22:17 |
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cait |
and it#s the same amount of maintainers, only difference is that it's always 4 people to the second model |
| 22:17 |
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tuxayo |
So hard to phrase concisely the proposals |
| 22:17 |
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cait |
it's why I needed to draw it |
| 22:17 |
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davidnind[m] |
We have 3 options - if someone can give me a short description for each one I'll run the vote and then end the meeting |
| 22:18 |
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cait |
hm I tried :) |
| 22:18 |
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davidnind[m] |
How about: What maintenance model will we use for LTS/extended support version of Koha? Option 1, Option 2, Option 3 (every 4th version) |
| 22:18 |
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cait |
The short description is either 1-3-1, 1.5-3-1, 1.5-3.5-1.5 |
| 22:18 |
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cait |
or what is written next to the tables |
| 22:18 |
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cait |
for model 3: 4 RMaints |
| 22:18 |
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cait |
1.5 years maintenance for regular releases |
| 22:18 |
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cait |
3.5 years maintenance for LTS release |
| 22:18 |
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cait |
1.5 year overlap |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
all are every 4th, so I think we can leave that off :) |
| 22:19 |
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tuxayo |
Format of the proposals: N1-N2-N3 |
| 22:19 |
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tuxayo |
N1: length of support for regular releases - N2: length of support for LTS - N3: duration of LTS overlap (including the first 6 months of lifecycle that aren't well suited for upgrade) |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
but yes, 1 2 or 3 migh work best |
| 22:20 |
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tuxayo |
3 RMaints vs 3.75 RMaints vs 4 RMaints |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
maybe we should just decide between 2 and 3 to make it easier |
| 22:21 |
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cait |
I tihnk people might agree that having to update every year of they are not on LTS is not enough time |
| 22:22 |
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thd |
++ |
| 22:22 |
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tuxayo |
They can't even do when they want |
| 22:22 |
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cait |
and the only differnce between 2 and 3 is that we have no cycle where we only need 3 rmaints |
| 22:22 |
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cait |
we always need 4 |
| 22:22 |
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tuxayo |
2 RMaint for regular releases gives a constraint to do that in winter or summer (depending of when we start) |
| 22:22 |
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cait |
but we get 1.5 years overlap |
| 22:23 |
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cait |
so... I think maybe we just vote if 3 is ok :) |
| 22:23 |
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tuxayo |
^^ |
| 22:23 |
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cait |
This would be: |
| 22:23 |
|
cait |
4 RMaints constantly |
| 22:23 |
|
cait |
1.5 years maintenance for regular releases |
| 22:23 |
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cait |
3.5 years maintenance for LTS release |
| 22:23 |
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cait |
1.5 year overlap between LTS releases |
| 22:24 |
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davidnind[m] |
Nearly there... |
| 22:24 |
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cait |
ok |
| 22:24 |
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tuxayo |
proposal 1: keep 3 RMaints and shorten support of regular releases |
| 22:24 |
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tuxayo |
proposal 2: 4 RMaints (1 out of every 4 cycles, only 3 RMaints) and same support of regular releases. 6 months of effective overlap between LTS |
| 22:24 |
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tuxayo |
proposal 3: 4 RMaints always and same support of regular releases. 12 months of effective overlap between LTS |
| 22:24 |
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tuxayo |
Can't make it much sorter |
| 22:25 |
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davidnind[m] |
#Info Option 3 for voting = 4 RMaints constantly, 1.5 years maintenance for regular releases, 3.5 years maintenance for LTS release, 1.5 year overlap between LTS releases |
| 22:25 |
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davidnind[m] |
#vote Use option 3 as maintenance model for LTS/extended support version of Koha (see https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 for details)? Yes, No |
| 22:25 |
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davidnind[m] |
#vote Yes |
| 22:25 |
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tuxayo |
#vote yes |
| 22:25 |
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cait |
#vote yes |
| 22:26 |
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rangi[m] |
#vote Yes |
| 22:26 |
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thd |
# vote Yes |
| 22:26 |
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thd |
#vote Yes |
| 22:26 |
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davidnind[m] |
one minute to go.. |
| 22:27 |
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davidnind[m] |
#endvote |
| 22:27 |
|
alexbuckley |
#vote yes |
| 22:28 |
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tuxayo |
It was #startvote ! |
| 22:28 |
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davidnind[m] |
#agreed To use option 3 (see details in comments) as the maintenance model for the LTS/extended support version of Koha (see https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 for details) |
| 22:28 |
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tuxayo |
anyway we can manually do it |
| 22:28 |
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davidnind[m] |
I won't rerun - it was unanimous! |
| 22:28 |
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davidnind[m] |
#info All other agenda items deferred to the next meeting |
| 22:28 |
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cait |
yes and it's soo olate :) |
| 22:28 |
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davidnind[m] |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
| 22:29 |
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cait |
here at least |
| 22:29 |
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tuxayo |
same time? (for the meeting in 4 weeks) |
| 22:29 |
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tuxayo |
The one it two week has been decided 2 weeks ago, let me find it |
| 22:30 |
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tuxayo |
#info see bug 31008 for other details about how the LTS should be handled (scope of what to include, regularity of releases) |
| 22:30 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31008 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Long Term Support (LTS) version of Koha |
| 22:30 |
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tuxayo |
#info Next meeting: 17 August 2022, 14 UTC |
| 22:31 |
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davidnind[m] |
thanks tixayo |
| 22:31 |
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davidnind[m] |
tuxayo even |
| 22:31 |
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tuxayo |
For meeting in 4 weeks the 31th then? |
| 22:31 |
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davidnind[m] |
#endmeeting |
| 22:31 |
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huginn` |
Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 22:31:22 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:31 |
|
huginn` |
Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-08-03-21.09.html |
| 22:31 |
|
huginn` |
Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-08-03-21.09.txt |
| 22:31 |
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huginn` |
Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]03-21.09.log.html |
| 22:31 |
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tuxayo |
same hour? |
| 22:31 |
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cait |
thx davidnind++ |
| 22:31 |
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davidnind[m] |
Thanks everyone, apologies that went longer than the hour... |
| 22:31 |
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cait |
and everone else for being patient |
| 22:31 |
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tuxayo |
davidnind++ thanks for the chairing |
| 22:32 |
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cait |
it's good to have a decision now |
| 22:32 |
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davidnind[m] |
yeah for decisions! |
| 22:32 |
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tuxayo |
Not your fault, some stuff needed time |
| 22:33 |
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davidnind[m] |
right, time for breakfast (a little later than usual for me....) |
| 22:33 |
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tuxayo |
Unless someone suggests otherwise: |
| 22:33 |
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tuxayo |
#info meeting after the next one: 31 August 2022, 21 UTC |
| 22:33 |
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cait |
logs are already done :) |
| 22:33 |
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tuxayo |
(so I can find this in two week) |
| 22:34 |
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davidnind[m] |
I'll run the script later on and make sure the time is in the calendar... |
| 22:34 |
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tuxayo |
It doesn't matter, I search the end of the last meeting in the global logs to pull the next meeting time :P |
| 22:34 |
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tuxayo |
davidnind++ |
| 22:34 |
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davidnind[m] |
thanks cait for staying up so late! |
| 22:34 |
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tuxayo |
great, you can run the script :D |
| 22:34 |
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cait |
might be too hot to sleep anyway |
| 22:34 |
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cait |
:) |
| 22:34 |
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tuxayo |
29°C in my room |
| 22:35 |
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davidnind[m] |
Will try and add a comment to the bug that explains the option we chose, and then a draft email for the mailing list |
| 22:35 |
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tuxayo |
davidnind++ thanks again for the communication about the LTS process |
| 22:35 |
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davidnind[m] |
If I could send some cold your way I would - I still have the fire on.... |
| 22:36 |
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cait |
fire.. ugh. |
| 22:36 |
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cait |
not a picture that is helpng right now :) |
| 22:36 |
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cait |
bye all! |
| 22:36 |
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tuxayo |
Cold would be welcome. We already have the fire in my region |
| 22:37 |
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tuxayo |
bye cait |
| 22:37 |
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davidnind[m] |
that's not great at all 😥 |
| 22:40 |
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tuxayo |
Nothing unusual it's since forever in the south east. Unlike the west where this year in burned a lot and it's not usual. |
| 22:51 |
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aleisha |
woops i had to run off to a meeting so missed the end of our meeting. thanks davidnind[m] for chairing! |
| 23:00 |
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davidnind[m] |
No problem! |
| 23:06 |
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