IRC log for #koha, 2022-07-14

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00:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_22.05_U20 build #30: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_22.05_U20/30/
00:12 tuxayo «Jenkins is going to shut down»
00:12 tuxayo Says it since 1h30 at least. Weird
00:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #208: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/208/
00:13 tuxayo ho, I just had to complain for it to actually shutdown XD
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00:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #19: SUCCESS in 9 min 50 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES7/19/
00:53 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
00:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #1004: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]_MDB_Latest/1004/
00:53 wahanui Congratulations!
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01:11 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
01:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #913: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/913/
01:11 wahanui Congratulations!
01:21 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
01:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #209: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/209/
01:21 wahanui Congratulations!
01:39 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #2113: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/2113/
01:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #16: SUCCESS in 6 min 54 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES6/16/
01:47 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #914: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/914/
01:48 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
01:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #734: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/734/
01:48 wahanui Congratulations!
02:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
02:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #133: FIXED in 1 hr 6 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/133/
02:28 wahanui Congratulations!
02:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #134: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/134/
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03:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #735: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/735/
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05:48 ashimema Bug 29418
05:48 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29418 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to oldoldstable , Error searching for analytics in detail view
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07:39 cait1 hi #koha :)
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08:01 ashimema Morning cait1
08:02 cait1 morning
08:16 Oak morning cait1 and ashimema
08:17 ashimema morning Oak
08:17 ashimema morning
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09:23 ashimema has something changed with the default for 'Version' in bugzilla?
09:24 ashimema I'm seeing way more bugs with a specific version reported.. but appear to also affect master?
09:40 * ashimema is on a QA roll this morning.
09:40 paxed *grmbl* why is deleteditems.timestamp ON UPDATE current_timestamp()  ... any change and you lost info when the item was deleted.
09:41 cait1 yes... we had that issue too
09:42 cait1 could it be made so it only updates on INSERT? (database wise?)
09:43 ashimema one would need to set it to null to get the default to apply
09:43 paxed cait1: the DEFAULT current_timestamp() does that
09:43 ashimema during the move from items to deleteditems
09:43 cait1 ashimema: Interesting, it's 20.11 when i make a new bug... just not sure if this is because I last selected it or by default
09:43 paxed oh, except it doesn't, because the timestamp comes from items table
09:43 ashimema yup
09:43 ashimema exactly
09:44 paxed i so so so love going back to old dumps to figure out when items were deleted
09:44 cait1 i have filed a bug for having a deleted_on date...
09:44 paxed and this is important for reports.
09:44 cait1 because last time one of the database updates messed with it and threw all our statistics for a year
09:44 ashimema deleted_on seems a nice idea
09:44 paxed yup
09:44 cait1 let me fid it and add your supporting voices to it! :)
09:45 paxed cait1: thanks!
09:45 cait1 bug 30392
09:45 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30392 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a deleted_on column to deleteditems
09:45 cait1 paxed: so totally feel your paiin there...
09:59 Joubu I can implement it if you help me somewhere else
10:08 cait1 I can help soem tomorrow
10:30 oleonard Joubu: I can devote time to Bug 30718 today but it doesn't apply
10:30 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30718 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Use flatpickr's altInput option everywhere
10:30 ashimema oh, cool
10:30 ashimema if you sign I can qa oleonard
10:30 ashimema 🙂
10:30 ashimema I've been meaning to look at it anyways.. just hadn't found a moment
10:33 Joubu oleonard: reattaching, it was applying ok for me.
10:38 oleonard Thanks Joubu that fixed it for me.
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10:38 oleonard I guess the test plan is "everything"
10:40 cait1 lol
10:40 cait1 please take notes... I can ty to spot what you didn't test later :)
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10:46 Joubu oleonard: yes, every date, everywhere... But having a look at the diff will show you the different patterns
10:46 oleonard 👍🏻
10:46 Joubu for instance there are places where 1. KohaDates is used instead of html, as we moved the formatting to the template (and remove the output_pref(dt_from_string)) call from the pl/pm)
10:47 Joubu 2. Places where we retrieve from flatpickr and resent to the template (sticky due date in circ for instance)
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10:47 Joubu 3. REST API - I think I made some changes there as well (but maybe it is on a follow-up bug, cannot remember)
10:48 Joubu 4. Flatpickr needs to be tested, 5. there is as well the cataloguing plugin that is using altInput already
10:48 Joubu lot of changes in the reports area (I haven't tested at all this module)
10:49 ashimema I also wanted to look at the moment.js -> day.js patch
10:49 ashimema aren't we using moment internally in flatpickr too?
10:49 Joubu oleonard: There is a block comment in Koha::Report that certainly need attention
10:49 Joubu adding that to the bug
10:50 Joubu ashimema: nope, but "now" we will use day.js for date parsing
10:50 Joubu it's bug 31149
10:50 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31149 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Use dayjs to parse dates
10:50 Joubu that's is removing most of the specific code we have
10:50 ashimema excellent
10:50 wahanui darn tootin' it is.
10:51 Joubu oleonard: if you are finding too many bugs, please don't spend more time on it...
10:51 oleonard Okay
10:56 Joubu ashimema: did you see 31134?
10:57 Joubu bug 31134
10:57 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31134 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , t/Ediorder.t tests failing on 22.05.02
10:57 ashimema ho, thanks
10:58 Joubu ashimema: seems pretty trivial, just add a mock_preference call and you should be good
10:58 ashimema indeed
10:58 ashimema ta
11:05 tcohen hola
11:05 wahanui privet, tcohen
11:07 ashimema done
11:25 wajasu hey, I guess that koha/koha-testing is centrally controlled. can i not change files/ or files/template/root_bashrc easily with ktd.
11:26 wajasu what must i do locally to rebuild the koha/koha-testing image locally  to affect change
11:27 wajasu docker-compose was new a few years back when i used docker, so i never got into docker-compose
11:33 tcohen the docker compose is a way to provision the service
11:33 tcohen the docker image can just be built using
11:33 tcohen docker build . -t <name you want>
11:34 tcohen what are you trying to do?
11:34 tcohen there are ways with docker compose to override the default behavior
11:36 wajasu change the ktd to have  PATH=/kohadevbox/koha/debian/s​cripts:${PATH}:/kohadevbox/bin so when i work on the koha-* scripts i don't run /usr/sbin/koha-* versions
11:36 wahanui wajasu: that doesn't look right
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11:39 wajasu i was working on koha-remove, to  add long_tasks queue to be shutdown.
11:40 tcohen hm
11:40 tcohen just maybe
11:40 tcohen you can tweak your docker-compose
11:40 tcohen so it set
11:40 tcohen s
11:40 tcohen PATH
11:41 wajasu i'll try that.
11:41 tcohen it feels like a leaner approach
11:41 tcohen heh
11:43 wajasu i definitely need to rebuild the image.  when i change files/  even though it gets copied in as i see in dists/bullseye/Dockerfile i need to understand if koha-koha-1 really is affected
11:44 wajasu let me look at PATH for compose
11:47 tcohen if I understand correctly what you're doing
11:47 tcohen if you rebuild using some Dockerfile
11:47 tcohen from KTD
11:47 tcohen you should name hte image the same as ktd does
11:47 tcohen and start fresh
11:48 tcohen you cannot rebuild and expect the running container to have your changes
11:48 wajasu your right. probably need to make custom version, then use that in my custom compose yml
11:50 tcohen maybe you can just use on each round?
12:09 oleonard Hmm...
12:11 tcohen how would we know they didn't want to actually show the span?
12:13 Joubu oleonard: l.109 should be [% content | $raw %]
12:13 Joubu not html
12:14 Joubu certainly coming from bug 30733
12:14 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, victor, RESOLVED FIXED, Simplify translatable strings
12:14 oleonard tcohen: How can we really KNOW anything??
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13:09 Joubu oleonard: "dialog alert", "dialog message", do we have a third one?
13:09 Joubu I'd like message, warning, error
13:10 oleonard What's the difference between a warning and an error?
13:11 Joubu warning would be something wrong on the form, an error would be an error from the server
13:11 ashimema I've wanted to make those consistent for ages
13:12 ashimema we've never quite been consistent with bootstrap
13:12 Joubu so error is unexpected, warning would be pebcak
13:12 oleonard Our dialog styling predates our use of Bootstrap
13:12 oleonard I don't have any objection to revising it
13:13 Joubu When migrating to Bootstrap 5! :D
13:13 ashimema I always felt we should mirror the classes available
13:13 ashimema[…]omponents/alerts/
13:13 Joubu I am going to handle them separately in the code ERM) but will not change the classes then
13:13 Joubu (ERM)
13:13 ashimema I know that's 5.. but those have been pretty consistent for a long time
13:14 oleonard Joubu: You can still use the classes because dialog error is handled as dialog alert for now
13:15 Joubu wondering, quick pool, who has looked at the 1. ERM UI, 2. ERM code, already?
13:16 oleonard I have but not in enough detail
13:16 oleonard Joubu: I get very lost looking at the code :(
13:17 Joubu oleonard: I am bad at documenting, sorry about that. What would help you?
13:18 Joubu I think having a look at the "cities" code, to be a bit familiar with Vue, is a good start
13:18 Joubu but then yes, ERM is messy, there are tons of components :-/
13:18 oleonard Joubu: I think I need to find a time when I can devote some real attention to it when you're around to answer questions, but I can't schedule that at the moment
13:18 Joubu and you need to be familiar with the ERM concept to understand a bit what it is doing
13:19 Joubu oleonard: no worries. Let me know if you have ideas for me, to help others understand what I am doing. I need to write down some documentation...
13:19 ashimema code or concept?
13:20 Joubu but wanted to have a MVP ASAP
13:20 Joubu code, at least
13:20 ashimema I'm sure I could someone from our team to do user docs
13:20 Joubu concept can be understand using the UI I think (at least the link between the "components")
13:20 ashimema indeed
13:20 oleonard ashimema: I think you left out the words "force at gunpoint" from that sentence :D
13:20 Joubu following the kanban is certainly a good idea as well
13:20 * ashimema is
13:20 Joubu it's not much effort to track down the current state
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13:49 caroline Is it possible to use a relative date with --since? I tried "curdate()-1" and "date_sub(curdate(), interval 1 day)" and both update all patrons, not only those enrolled since yesterday
13:49 caroline If I use a specific date "2022-07-13", it works
13:51 Joubu try --since `date -d "1 day ago" '+%Y-%m-%d'`
13:52 caroline yes! thank you!
13:52 caroline Joubu++
13:54 caroline What would it be if it were 2 days ago? Or 1 month ago? Literally "2 days ago" or "1 month ago"?
13:54 Joubu yes :)
13:55 Joubu[…].html#DATE_STRING
13:55 caroline lol thanks, it seemed too easy :) I will add this script to the manual, it's not there at all
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14:21 cait1 caroline++
14:27 Joubu lol, I was doing a quick *poll* ofc! :D
14:27 Joubu too hot here, I would love a pool however...
14:28 ashimema why do people have to email me .msg files.. they're a bloomin nightmare to open
14:28 ashimema grr.. not everyone in the world uses Outlook people.
14:29 oleonard Hopefully the number is dwindling, even.
14:29 ashimema I'm currently having to actually download a mail client especially so I can import this bloody thing into it.
14:29 ashimema soooo annoying
14:30 tcohen isn't it an encrypted email?
14:30 ashimema nope
14:30 ashimema it's an outlook format
14:30 ashimema which you can convert to .eml.. but then that's a file you appear to only really be able to view by importing it into a proper mail client..
14:30 ashimema well.. if you want to see all the parts in context anyways..
14:30 ashimema lots of online tools that spit out the bits in a random order
14:31 tcohen Joubu: I've seen the code, haven't played with the interface
14:31 tcohen it's on my TODO for next week
14:31 cait1 seen the gui, not planning to look at code right now :P
14:31 wahanui I haven't seen 'the', cait1
14:32 caroline We specifically tell our clients not to send us .msg files... Just copy the text into the ticket (with implied threat of we won't help you if you send us .msg files)
14:33 ashimema glad it's not just me it infuriates
14:33 caroline definitely not just you!
14:33 * tcohen infuriates as well
14:33 * cait1 sends cookies to the infuriated people
14:35 caroline :) cookies help de-escalate
14:36 cait1 that's the idea :)
14:36 cait1 does someone have an idea about the CAS issue on mailing list?
14:37 cait1 I am worried about our next update if that should be broken :(
14:51 tcohen I've seen it
14:51 tcohen couldn't reproduce
14:51 ashimema I've never touched CAS
14:51 tcohen I only used the Apereo demo
14:52 tcohen and have a couple production sites with CAS, but it is just configuring it on sysprefs
14:52 tcohen no mistery
14:52 tcohen and it works
14:53 cait1 maybe you could say that you tested and it works
14:53 tcohen :-D
14:54 cait1 we did a lot of auth work
14:54 cait1 from his description it sounds like they do not log in from Koha
14:54 cait1 but they log in elsequere and koha shoudl log them in automatically (that's how it usualyl works if you are alreay logged in)
14:55 cait1 could we have broken something with all the owrk on the security issues?
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15:45 ashimema did I imagine we have at least some cronjob parameters that now have the option to optionally set them from preferences?
15:46 ashimema or have we just plain moved some options into preferences in the past instead?
15:47 * ashimema is looking to --frombranch in the overdues script to a preference to it works nicely in multi-tenant instances
16:04 lukeg was just wondering this morning if --reason from could be moved to a sys pref
16:06 caroline ashimema, some options for the longoverdue cron are now system preferences, but I think both options work (you can set them from the cronjob, or the syspref)
16:07 ashimema aha, thanks
16:09 caroline I think for some things, it's nice that they can change the parameters themselves (such as longoverdues, if their policies change), but I'd be wary for some other things (days to keep stuff in cleanup database for example, I know some clients would put something like "keep for 10000000 days" like hoarders)
16:09 ashimema haha
16:09 ashimema indeed
16:18 ashimema bug 31157
16:18 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31157 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , --frombranch option should be available as a system preference
16:19 ashimema that should do the trick for what I was thinking about
16:19 ashimema reason seems like another good one to move in a similar way lukeg.. feel free to report it 🙂
16:19 ashimema or take the above as an example to code it up.. should be trivial I would think
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16:38 * cait waves
16:47 ashimema hi cait
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18:41 wajasu i used to run my koha box on iron. now i'm sploying to cloud/linode. would you guys suggest ufw for opac/staff and fail2ban for ssh these days, and https only.
18:43 wajasu will i have mem problems with plack and/or memcached.  on a 1GB  nano box.  I see memcached or plack gobbles up ram over time on my test VM.
18:43 wajasu seems faster with memcached.
18:44 wajasu only 20-30K items
18:44 cait memcached and plack are recommended
18:44 cait we had some trouble without memcached actually
18:44 wajasu ok.
18:45 wajasu does the apache run with mpm_itk by default these days. or mpm_event?
18:47 cait that I don't know
18:47 wajasu i will look at my VM.  i think the ktd uses mpm_itk though.
18:48 cait it sounds familiar
18:52 wajasu mpm-itk configured in the warning of my apache error.log   so  guess thats the default these days to support multi tenant or such
20:21 alohabot 🎁 🤖 Koha '21.05.x' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo  ðŸðŸðŸ«
20:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_U20 build #202: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_21.05_U20/202/
20:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_D10 build #278: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_21.05_D10/278/
20:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_D12 build #128: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_21.05_D12/128/
20:53 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
20:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_U16 build #201: FIXED in 1 hr 8 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_21.05_U16/201/
20:53 wahanui Congratulations!
20:55 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_U18 build #191: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_21.05_U18/191/
20:57 ashimema caroline++ thanks for the testing.. awesome test plan and execution
20:57 caroline :)
20:57 cait caroline++
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20:59 ashimema Also looking forward to reading your recalls docs when I'm more awake tomorrow
20:59 ashimema So glad someone took that on.. I have been completely lost on the feature so far.. can't tell the difference functionally from holds really
21:00 ashimema I must be missing something so yeah, looking forward to it
21:00 ashimema Thanks
21:03 caroline From what I understand, recalls are holds that modify the due date for the person who currently has the item. I would see the use in universities or specialized libraries where people can take out materials for long periods of time (or indefinitely), until someone else needs it. Then it is recalled, the due date is changed and the current borrower is advised
21:04 caroline If it were only holds, patrons would have to wait until the lending period is over
21:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_U18 build #192: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_21.05_U18/192/
21:06 caroline Like I said the other day, I don't really see the use in public libraries (where I have most of my experience), but maybe someday public libraries will extend their lending periods and use recalls instead of short lending periods, renewals and holds
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22:22 aleisha hello
22:22 wahanui niihau, aleisha
22:22 aleisha can i ask why the use of flatpickr isnt documented on the wiki coding guidelines anywhere?
22:23 aleisha we still refer to datepicker on the coding guidelines
22:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D11 build #47: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D11/47/
23:31 tuxayo aleisha: good catch
23:33 tuxayo Added for next meeting https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_July_2022#Agenda
23:36 aleisha thanks tuxayo !

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