IRC log for #koha, 2021-11-02

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02:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #1805: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1805/
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03:11 mtj hi pabloab, tuxayo - i really like the idea of discouse software :)
03:12 mtj is it possible to run both discouse and mailman at the same time? - or would we need to do a hard-switch to discourse?
03:17 tuxayo mtj discourse can work as a mailing list. IIUC: Make account, go to a category (~sub forum) and subscribe to it selecting to be notified to everything
03:17 tuxayo It's even possible to answer email
03:17 mtj ah yes, that makes sense
03:17 tuxayo *via email
03:20 mtj i'd be keen to help setting up a discourse
03:20 tuxayo :D
03:21 tuxayo I think that's the missing thing. Because otherwise the idea has been well received.
03:27 tuxayo For the record (or other projects than Koha), in case we don't have the time resources to host a Discouse I was starting to think of a fallback with our forge, Gitea.
03:28 tuxayo Because the issue tracker is a forum and a mailing list. Just create a few projects without a repo and only the issue tracker and voilà. I've seen projects do this
03:28 tuxayo For many project forges are really great, host/find and instance of Gitea or Gitlab, get a git server, an issues tracker, a forum&ML and a wiki!
03:29 mtj hmmm, thats an interesting usage of a self-hosted gitlab
03:38 tuxayo I wasn't serious about it since there was (and is more than before!) hope that someone could have the time to setup and maintain a Discourse.
03:38 tuxayo But actually, would there be a significant advantage to justify the hosting of Discourse compared to using our Gitea? Considering that you don't lack of things to do :P
03:38 tuxayo (assuming the OOM of Gitea are solvable!)
03:41 tuxayo Here is my example of issue tracker powered ML&forum :[…]-this-salon-works
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05:29 mtj i think using github would be a no-go, as we cant self-host it
05:31 mtj i think importing a mailman repo into discourse, is probably a much more 'solved' problem than into gitea
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07:11 * cait waves
07:28 cait bbl
07:31 reiveune hello
07:31 wahanui niihau, reiveune
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08:19 ashimema mornin' #koha
08:21 Joubu mtj, tuxayo: It would be a move from mailman to discourse. I am "on it". Not at the moment but will be back to it after the release.
08:21 Joubu I am still waiting for BibLibre to confirm they will provide us the server
08:24 * ashimema would love to see issues handled through gittea instead of bugzilla.. but that's any entirely different discussion.
08:25 * ashimema likes branches and merges requests.. I find the huge numbers of 'you attached this' messages in bugzilla really distracting and difficult
08:25 ashimema and commenting on code out of context all the time is a pain.
08:25 ashimema plus, bz just "looks dated" so puts new developers off the project as a whole
08:25 ashimema anywho.. soapbox moment done
08:27 cait I really like Bugzilla's strong search capabilities
08:27 cait haven't seen that in any issue tracker so far
08:27 cait they all usually appear to have quite basic searches
08:27 cait and with the amount of bugs we have, that is a real plus for me
08:28 ashimema understandable
08:28 ashimema I know the strengths of bugzilla too
08:29 Joubu we already have the mailing list and the wiki (I also have a "split and shrink git repo" somewhere)
08:29 Joubu to move
08:29 ashimema yup
08:29 ashimema one thing at a time 😉
08:32 mtj i wonder if splitting the koha git repo could help with the gitea OOM problem?
08:34 Joubu did it happen again?
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08:34 hugoagud good morning, I have an issue with, anybody knows when and why generate overdue_decrease?
08:35 hugoagud I am trying to adjust a fine directly from mysql, but koha adjusts the fine with overdue_decrease
08:48 Joubu Hi hugoagud, ashimema is our "accounts" expert
08:56 cait hea is up to 17.065  + 600 from last month :)
08:57 Joubu I should have a look at the DB, one day..
08:57 cait hugoagud: koha calculates the fine everyday according to your circulation rules
08:57 cait as long as the item is not return, adjusting the fine with SQL won't work
08:57 cait it will be recalculatedwith every run of the script
08:57 cait have a look at your fine settings in the circulation rules
08:58 cait if you want to freeze the fine, you'll have to reutrn the item and check it out again
09:16 ashimema What cait said basically
09:17 ashimema You 'fix' the fine by marking the item as 'returned'.. though that could of course be one of the lost states
09:17 ashimema If it's not returned the fine rules come into play and the fine is recalculated from scratch with every run of the script
09:18 ashimema The offsets, decrease/increase just reflect the change since the last run.. so if your rules have changed to reduce the amount per day and then the script runs.. it'll result in a decrease.
09:20 ashimema Decreases were really designed for calculate at check-in fine..  I e the scripts run daily . Someone returns the item on a closed day.. the script runs and increments the fine.. next day staff do a backdated return and the fine is recalculated for the previous day.. thus decreased again.
09:20 ashimema Hope that makes sense
09:23 mtj Joubu: no, no OOM that i know of :)
09:31 hugoagud HI, that makes a lot of sense... thank you very much.. sorry for the delay I was out of the desktop ;)
09:32 * ashimema apologies for any typos.. I was on the school run
09:36 cait ashimema is the accounts expert... but fines are also one of my things... sadly
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10:26 magnuse bag: can you make some more ops, please?
10:26 ashimema ?
10:27 magnuse looks like he os the only ops in the channel?
10:27 magnuse op? ops?
10:31 ashimema I thought you were one lol
10:34 * oleonard wonders who magnuse wants to kick :D
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10:57 Joubu tuxayo: I published 20.05.17 release notes, it was still a draft
11:13 tcohen hola #koha
11:24 oleonard Hi tcohen
11:32 Joubu bug 29386 - would it make sense to switch to MEDIUMTEXT then later LONGTEXT if still not enough?
11:33 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29386 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , background jobs table data field is a TEXT which is too small
11:33 Joubu or do we go with LONGTEXT directly?
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11:46 magnuse ashimema: looks like i lost it
11:51 cait magnuse: maybe you need to identify?
12:21 oleonard I wonder if there's any reason to show imported records in the "Records found in reservoir" table
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12:54 magnuse cait: i did, but it made no difference
12:54 oleonard Shower me with your reservoir opinions
12:54 magnuse i think reservoir dogs is a move by quentin tarantino
12:54 magnuse s/move/movie/
12:55 oleonard In your humble opinion
12:55 tcohen hahaa, a great movie
12:56 oleonard What do you think Tarantino would have thought about excluding imported records from reservoir search results?
12:56 tcohen Mr. Brown would've cleaned all the scene
13:08 oleonard Bug 29391
13:08 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29391 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Improve output of reservoir search
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13:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_U_Stable build #84: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1.05_U_Stable/84/
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13:49 cait oleonard-away: i think imported make more sense there than the z39.50 ones
13:50 cait i can imagine workflows for uplaoding a data set froma vendor and wanting to use it in cataloguing
13:50 cait but random searches from z39.50 seem more lunlikely
13:50 cait or do you mean imported vs. staged? then I withdraw...
13:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_D12 build #23: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_21.05_D12/23/
13:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_U18 build #85: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_21.05_U18/85/
14:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_D9 build #88: UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_21.05_D9/88/
14:25 oleonard cait: A record which has been imported is probably still in your catalog unless it was since deleted
14:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_D11 build #108: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_21.05_D11/108/
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14:36 cait oleonard: ok, imported makes sense - sorry, I was thinking of staged ones
14:37 cait kidclamp: any opinion on 29010?
14:37 cait i see that you cc'd yourself :)
14:38 cait baground jobs... bag's round jobs? :)
14:39 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_D12 build #24: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_21.05_D12/24/
14:43 cait sorry... that probably is all a little delayed, just catching up on today's work
14:52 cait oleonard: what do you think of https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sses_for_KohaCons (tuyayo's work)
14:53 cait ashimema, Joubu and others ^
15:05 Joubu @later tell tuxayo did you send us the mail you received from the kohacon's organisers? I haven't received it
15:05 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:08 Joubu cait: yes, make sense!
15:15 Joubu oleonard: didn't I open a bug to remove the flatpickr instantiations from .tt files?
15:16 oleonard Joubu: I think it's not in its own bug
15:17 oleonard Bug 29240
15:17 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29240 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Flatpickr - error in the console when a date is selected
15:17 Joubu oleonard: I've created bug 29394
15:17 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29394 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Remove flatpickr instantiations from .tt files
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15:26 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
15:26 wahanui Congratulations!
15:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.05_D9 build #89: FIXED in 1 hr 13 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_21.05_D9/89/
15:53 ashimema hmm..
15:53 ashimema problem with doing lots of SO and QA...
15:53 ashimema my inbox gets mailbombed at push
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28263: DBRev <[…]da7ac2a4032080b2d>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28901: Compiled CSS <[…]37bbe1e8fd5abdf1c>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28904: Fix typo and display <[…]3aef3a2cde961ee09>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28263: (QA follow-up) Use new atomicupdate code style <[…]2cb12afa7660877c9>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28729: Additions to POD <[…]10eafbe5208c96126>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29356: Pickup location dropdowns should perform 'contains' searches <[…]18b3a23e579816bfa>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29355: Make pickup location dropdowns RESTdefaultPageSize agnostic <[…]a61bab551092a920c>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29328: Add missing list parameter to reports parameter menu <[…]b94517cf2e8a756f4>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29352: Runtime parameter labels should not be said to be optional <[…]cf48aa99a3c217e70>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29351: Add missing cn_source parameter to reports parameter menu <[…]b385aaa5b9a42e960>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28904: Update team list to include newsletter editors <[…]636c70f639f6b12e6>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28904: Add newsletter editor to about page display <[…]980253df9a6109856>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29329: Remove stray character in <[…]46eee65f779cb35b2>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28729: Make Koha::Email->send_or_die handle returnpath <[…]28cf8c171233d6d20>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28729: Unit tests <[…]df6cde62c779fe3c7>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29242: Flatpickr - Should autocomplete be turned off? <[…]b175296b419ad4ff7>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 27884: Add tests <[…]c7436dafb46092912>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28263: Fix too_many auto renewal message <[…]3b1f9d2421af96832>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 27884: Add html support for report mails <[…]2dd3c1ef66590e3a9>
15:55 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 25459: Makes barcode position respect units in patron cards layout <[…]f8acb4599476b95c3>
16:06 reiveune bye
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16:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #435: UNSTABLE in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D11/435/
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16:56 Joubu So, as you can see master is broken (more precisely date handling for the REST API)
16:56 Joubu See bug 24850, last comments
16:56 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24850 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Koha::DateUtils ignores offsets in RFC3339 datetimes
16:57 Joubu there is a workaround if you are stuck
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17:56 ashimema Will look at all the date related test failures tomorrow Joubu
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18:33 oleonard-away Manage ILL request.... a whole set of buttons with English labels coming from
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21:01 tuxayo @later tell Joubu , oh my post was still a draft :o thanks a lot!!!
21:01 huginn` tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
21:05 tuxayo @later tell ashimema I think what we are missing the most to switch from BZ to Gitea would be dependencies between tickets. We could push for that with a bounty on
21:05 huginn` tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
21:18 tuxayo @later tell ashimema wait it's only the graph part that is missing! There basic feature is actually there! :D
21:18 huginn` tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
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23:28 pabloab tuxayo: There is no consensus to move from the old BZ to the modern GitLab?
23:28 tuxayo pabloab: GitLab, certainly not. Last time I checked, dependency between tickets was only doable in the non-libre version of GitLab...
23:30 tuxayo Maybe it changed. I recall that a few things where non-libre at first and some time after ended up in the libre version
23:31 tuxayo More importantly, there is really a lack of workforce for that topic. Updating the version of the wiki + getting rid of mailman is already a lot.
23:35 pabloab Sure. Sad to hear that abouth GitLab. The only available relationship is "relates to". "blocks" and "is blocked by" only on Premium[…]dd-a-linked-issue
23:36 pabloab I wonder if a huge project like GNOME (which moved to GitLab) just don't use that feature.
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23:58 tuxayo > Updating the version of the wiki + getting rid of mailman is already a lot.
23:58 tuxayo Oh and also maybe moving from Pootle to Weblate
23:59 tuxayo > "relates to". "blocks" and "is blocked by"
23:59 tuxayo Perfect, that's what we use on BZ

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